Speculation, speculation
Keith Olbermann has made some bold public predictions about the end of the series on his TV news show, Countdown with Keith Olbermann. Make sure you read the second page of the article before making judgment. It is my personal belief, and not necessarily that of the rest of the MuggleNet staff, that he is not far off the mark in his guesses. Except for that whole Harry turning into a Muggle business. I mean, really?
In other news, Scholastic has published the results of their fourth fan poll question. They claim a majority of fans - 56% - believe that Harry will end up with Hermione, 20% believe that Ron will end up with Hermione and 19% believe that Harry will end up with Ginny.
Um, was Scholastic polling people who have actually read the books? 56% of fans are wrong. I quote JKR, in the interview Melissa and I conducted with her two summers ago:
JK Rowling: Yes, we do now know that it's Ron and Hermione. I do feel that I have dropped heavy hints. ANVIL-sized, actually, hints, prior to this point. I certainly think even if subtle clues hadn't been picked up by the end of Azkaban, that by the time we hit Krum in Goblet...
I would think it's difficult to interpret "Yes, we do now know that it's Ron and Hermione" and "anvil-sized hints" any other way, but apparently 56% of fans disagree with me (or just haven't read the interview... or Book 6... or Book 5... or Book 4...). But then, many fans still believe Dumbledore is alive, despite JK Rowling saying that he is "definitely dead." Come on, guys. Wishful thinking isn't going to bring him back.
Note that the question wasn't Who Do You Want to End Up With Whom?, but Who Will End Up With Whom?. There's a difference between wanting something to be true, and believing it is true. There is a word in the English dictionary for holding a belief without evidence, and in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary... I'll give you a hint, it starts with a D.
UPDATE: I don't know if I can make this any clearer, but I will try one more time.
I am not calling all Harry/Hermione shippers delusional! I respect H/Hr shippers who acknowledge the obvious: that JKR paired up Ron and Hermione, but wish she hadn't. The only people I am calling delusional are the shippers who try to wriggle and rationalize their way around "Yes, we do now know that it's Ron and Hermione" and still believe the two will make babies in Book 7. Right, because JKR was lying to us? HOPING is different from BELIEVING!
Posted by Emerson on Jun 26th |
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OH AND EMERSON, MIGHT I ADD, I FORGOT TO SAY HOW MUCH I HATE YOUR FACE. You are the most.. **shudders** I cannot believe you, you demonstrate, as well as another mean little individual on this site, that you cannot respect people's beliefs. For that I depise you, for that matter: I read all of those letter's written by people to Mugglenet/JKR, about how they think that Harry Potter 'preaches the devil' and so on so fourth. And what did you have at the top of all of them? It was something like: 'Here are all these letter's written by dimwitted people saying how Harry Potter is bad. I have taken the liberty into posting them here, and totally bagging the people who sent them.' Now I know and understand that a lot of them are wierd and a bit childish, but what did you do? You totally humiliated yourself by being mean to these people. They're letter's may have been stupid in some ways, but I don't think you took one second to think of the feeling and emotion some of those people had put into those letter's to make themselves heard. I am disgusted. How people like you on this site? I have no idea. You may be the founder of Mugglenet, but that doesn't stop you from being a tight old git to people. Am I banned for posting this? All I can say is that if I am, your not letting me express my 'feelings.'
hpnicole83, you're not just awesome, you're my hero. Really though, if I have good reason to hope and believe that H/Hr could/will happen, then who are any of you to put me down for that? As long as I believe in it with my heart and I don't sway in my feelings, there's nothing delusional about it. You call us crazy, delusional, militant and claim that we haven't read the books. I've read the books dozens of times and I don't appreciate being ridiculed and and being made to look like a fool because I saw something that has always represented love to me - caring unconditionally for someone else and always being at their side. At least I have the decency to look at your side of the argument and understand why you view R/Hr as a better match, and then peacefully choose to disagree. Then again, don't get me started on H/G...because I do find that relationship childish...thus the break-up. *Steps down from soap-box* *giggles like mad at hpnicole83's comment about emerson being JKR's BFF* ROFL
o me gods...Tracey, that was my theory too...don't believe that Harry has a bit of horocrux left IF he ever had any in him. Either it was ejected in book 5 OR it never was. I think losing the whole magical power bit is a little dumb (sorry to the owner of that theory). It is a possible ending, but I would be sorely disappointed in JKR if she did it that way. Really a loser's way out. As for R/H ship...who cares. All of the romance is so poorly written and sketchy in the books, I usually just skim those parts and get on to the magic action. Well except the Remus/Tonks. That was so ridiculous, out of no where and inane, I had to read it to confirm she'd really written it. All I could think was that she was attempting to assuage anyone who was abhored at the possible inuendo she cast after having Remus stare at Sirius for 44 lines without breaking his gaze. I thought it was rather funny and quite cool that she gave a nod to the world of realism. Alas, she should just stick to the adventure/fantasy/magic.
To Potterlove06. *waves* Try that response again, but this time? Try and act like an adult (unless, in fact, you aren't one) and not call me a crybaby. Seriously? Crybaby? ha. Also. It's ignorant to make blanket statements about an entire pocket of fandom and say that we all believe h/hr will happen, or that we're all delusional, or otherwise completely neglect the point of my comment. Which was that it's stupid to count your chickens before they're hatched. It just is. *shrug* And yes, it is unprofessional for the maintainer of a supposedly neutral fan site to come out and publicly slam a group of people who voted for h/hr in an informal poll. So.
The 'D' word is really getting old. Well being a Hermione and Harry shipper I do know that it is Ron and Hermione. So I honestly wish all this would stop.
Yes, christianaeg. What did you think about it?
I totally agree with you, and I think It was good to dedicate an entire post to say this. I felt astonished when I saw those poll results, It looked so stupid that I couldn't believe that people were still thinking that Harry would end up with Hermione. I can's say that I don't like the H-Hr ship, but come on, If you read the books, you just know that won't happen.. What were those 56% of fans thinking? ¬¬
Totally went to picklepack and saw this before coming here. Whatever lol. Umm, I'm not reading all these posts, but I'm sure everyone has commented to my satisfaction. Or at least most people. R/Hr forever!!!
I have my own theories as to what will happen in the 7th and to be honest I am preparing myself for the worst....just so I dont get my hopes up (even though they are lol) as for this guy Keith Olbrmann's article...I have my doubts about him. Main reason is he got the first horcrux wrong. At the end of the first page he says: "He can store the parts of the soul in objects, or, as seen in an earlier book, in a living thing, the big snake in the basement." And anyone who has read Harry Potter knows that the first horcrux wasnt the snake (though Harry and Dumbledore question if voldy's snake is one later on in the sixth) it was the diary that Ginny was writing in. And Harry destroyed it by using the fang of the Basilisk. I dont know if anyone else brought this up in the rest of the comments and Im sorry if Im repeating this. But that deff has me doubting him
haha reading more I can only laugh. What difference does it make what JKR does? Even if Harry marries Ginny, Fan Fic'ers will have them divorced in a minute, relegate Ginny to a shrew and have Hermione in the wings to pick up the pieces. All a bunch of todo about nothing.
I dislike Keith Olberman with a passion that is almost equal to my dislike of Voldemort. I don't give a monkey's butt about how he thinks the series will end.
"STFU. Whether they ship what you ship or not, H/Hr fans are STILL HP fans, and alienating them like this makes you look like a prick." === While I agree H/Hr fans are still HP fans, I see no need to insult Emerson for saying that they aren't. Two wrongs don't make a right. I wish that Dumbledore could come back to life, but I'm not getting mad at Emerson for telling me to stop dreaming. It's his own site, and he can post whatever he pleases. He doesn't have to put news up on the front page everyday, because he's perfectly entitled to write his own opinion. If that opinion is that all H/Hr fans are morons, let him post it. You aren't being forced to agree with him.
I don't think that Emerson means to insult H/Hr shippers as a whole, but rather to point out once again that the ship is NOT canon. Ship it all you like, but please accept that it will never be canon. Recieving 56% of the votes of who will be together is ridiculous. I only voted Tonks/Lupin. At least that's a ship that everyone can agree is canon.
OMG!!!!! Delusional!!!!! o___0
Congratulations Emerson, you have managed to make yourself look more and more like an idiot. So 56% of people don't agree with you....Wow never seen someone throw such a hissy fit. IT must be terrible to see that so many don't agree with the Great Emerson. I don't know what I will enjoy more. The fact that H/Hr shippers have stuck it out and ignored your 'delusion' or that you will be sitting with DH in your hands and wondering what could have been between Ron and Hermione. And when you said we obviously don't read the books, yeah okay you can keep thinking that, but I can say this we don't read that crap which is Mugglenet's predictions of what will occur in DH because sadly after DH it will be only useful to use as the covering of my birdcage floor. I keep forgetting Emerson you believe the real hero of the story is Ron Weasley.....
PotterLove06...when I read your comment to hpnicole83 *palmface*...you sound so ignorant. Really, you do - I'm not trying to be mean or whatever else you'll say in response to this. Really though, WHY would JKR just say, yeah...that's it for the rest of the series (which, even if it might not happen, she never did claim that R/Hr is forever). She never gives away big things so WHY should this be any different. I just don't see the logic in that..maybe she's under an imperious curse put in place by emerson! *gasps* That last sentence could be considered delusional.
It's true, there WERE anvil sized hints that Hermione and Ron would be together, especially in Half-Blood Prince. I was hoping on Harry and Hermione being a couple but not everyone can get what they want. It doesn't mean that I haven't read the books, I just wished they'd be together.
hahahahaha...i literally lol-ed after reading this. hehehehe *giggles*
well Tracy i think it's really cool but... (sorry if you think this's mean, but anyone who knows me well knows that i pull apart everything i see and nitpick it lol) what about before OotP? Why could Dumbledore look at Harry without Harry having the Voldemort reaction thing before book 5? He would have had to have that kind of reaction all his life, if you know what i mean... I dunno if JK would put something completly wrong into Dumbledore's mouth and have Harry believe it and not question it....
HAHAHAH, Emerson, hilarious as usual I see. I cant believe it's 56%...did H/Hr shippers vote 5 times a piece or something in hopes JKR would change her mind? Heh....not likely.
How many times do we have to hear about the "way controversial, no one's ever been more insulted, I can't believe he said that" DELUSIONAL line? It wasn't even funny the first time around, and I'm not a H/Hr shipper. My only hope as far as romances go is that Ginny gets pushed off the boat and mates with a sea turtle or something. Cho Chang and Lockheart were more likeable characters than her.
HAHAHA ROFL I second Snap!!!
LOL just stop it...hr/h shippers, look, if you dont like the comments you get from the MUGGLENET OWNER, STAFF and MEMBERS... then go to other boards...this is getting anyoing..you complain about being 'insulted'..but thats what you hr/h shippers get in a site populated mainly by hr/r shippers. and we hr/r shippers GET INSULTED and called stupid, etc in hr/h fandoms...so just stop!!! and Poison and others...stop insulting emerson! this is HIS site after all!! and HE is a hr/r shipper!!!! he can post whatever he wants in his site. so just stop! if you dont like it here, leave! jeez.
"I don't think that Emerson means to insult H/Hr shippers as a whole, but rather to point out once again that the ship is NOT canon." ==== Juat a quick response to that. The only thing in Harry Potter that is canon? Is what is actually in the books, not what's been said in an interview or what the books seem to headed toward. I'd completely agree that ron and hermione have been doing some sort of dance o' teen angst up until this point, and that it could easily end up being them in the end (shrug). But. There's also (IMHO kthnx) evidence of something deeper between harry and hermione, and it could go that way, too. The books all combine to tell one story, and nothing is set in stone until it's over. And even when things ARE said and done? It's not up to dear Emerson to get anyone to 'accept' anything. Especially not when he's running a site that's purported to be neutral in terms of shipping. :)
okay... i get the harry-ginny thing... maybe those people think harry will die or something and they dont want to get their hopes up... but i mean who are the harry-hermionie people kidding? i think its really really obvious by now that its RON-HERMIONIE!!!
This arguement is pointless. Everyone KNOWS that Ron and Hermoine will be together. But we all still have our own opinions. Bashing is not going to solve anything.
DELUSIONAL DELUS IONAL DELUSIONAL DELUSIONAL..... no ofense, but... DELUSIONAL!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! end of story
I think it's the movies fault that the Harry/Hermoine hookup appears evident. They do appear to be a budding relationship in the movies. Unfortunate error on the part of producers/directors; they should stay true to the series.
Funny I thought Mugglenet was an unbiased shipper-free site? Well I guess I am wrong *rolleyes* I think its sad really. People are realizing that there is a possibility that H/Hr can indeed happen and this makes Emerson sad. It's not over till I read it for myself.
I think we all should unite on what we DO agree on. Harry Potter rocks!!!!!!!!! *plays Come Together by The Beatles*
Ok EVERYONE read this, Emerson does not mean every H/Hr shipper. He only means the ones who still think there is a possibility that H/Hr will be canon. And people bashing on both sides, two wrongs don't make a right. So if someone bashes your ship just react calmly and say "Fine, that's your opinion, and this is mine," are you guys following me? Why is the shipping war starting again? It's such an immature thing to argue over. Why can't you think of the real plot of the book, sure romance is fine and nifty, but that's not what this is all about. This isn't a purely romance book, it's about love (not always the romantic type.) and goodness overcoming evil and hate. This story has a deeper meaning than OMG MY SHIP CAME TRUE!!!!111 *SQUEE*, okay people do you get that? Now let us all maturely agree to disagree, Okay? My rant is now over, sorry but I sort of exploded after reading a few comments from both sides.
LOL i gotta go to bed people! my popcorn stock has run out, and most of the party already retried (go back 100 posts or so!) this's been a great night full of shippers, fights, laughs and all that other stuff! night mariatc if you're still there!
i'm quite surprised emerson thought his article was good! every theory there was common, and apart from the "harry dying will cut off sales"theory, i think the article was a waste of paper.... and obviously the author had forgotten what DADA is...
Hey CHIRSTIANEALG, i'm not done yet...
i'm quite surprised emerson thought his article was good! every theory there was common, and apart from the "harry dying will cut off sales"theory, i think the article was a waste of paper.... and obviously the author had forgotten what DADA is...
Ok I have to say I am an avid H/Hr hater. I have been a Ron Hermione shipper since the 3rd book (which I've read four times ^_^). But c'mon we ALL want Dumbledore to be alive so what if they want to believe he's still alive.Of course in reality he isn't but still. I don't want Dumbledore dead I also want to find out that Snape isn't evil (he might have been listening to Dumbledore the whole time we don't know) so all those people are wishfull thinkers and I no I'm not the only one who didn't believe what Snape did the first twenty times they reread those two words that ended the life of the worlds greatest sorscerer.I know Dumbledore is dead but some of us (including me) don't want him to be. Padfootsmistress777 NITWIT BLUBBER ODDMENT TWEAK
Who thinks Sirius is still alive? *raises hand*
Sakah: put your dang hand down
How come you think he's not alive? *very bored and curious*
bye christianeg! take care, see you soon! im leaving too...bye everyone! DELUSIONAL! (sorry i couldnt help it!) (and that goes not for the shippers who WANT hr/h to happen..its goes for the ones that think it will STILL happen....lol) bye!!!
SAKAH: put your hand down before i slap u
Sakah: Well I'll raise my hand half-way up, because I want him to be alive, but I'm not sure if he really is...Whar?! I'm a Sirius fan! (I'm also a Ron fan.)
Sakah: i'd love to tell you why, but it would start another war and i would have to kill you........(and pone everyone else)
*puts hand down* Relax, I was just asking.
The trouble with books that are also read by children is that they, well, think like children. They don't see the differences in the relationship between Ron/Hermione and Harry/Hermione. They think that if you get along well, you must want to date one another. So until you're at least legal to vote in the States, I think you ought to keep your mouth shut on love relationships. :-X It's a silly argument, Jo already practically confirmed it to be R/Hr, didn't she? She's the God in the HP universe, stop trying to tell her she's wrong.
Well there you go - the reason I saw H/Hr and not R/Hr - I read POA at least ten times probably, not just four! Obviously those extra reads helped me see something you didn't! (I totally hope you believe that I'm joking...although I guess I'm only a teensy bit serious...we get shite all the time for not reading *ahem*, yet I've read the books more than a R/Hr shipper! *dies in shock* *eyeroll*) I want the 'come together' song too!!!
Makes you wonder how the R/Hr shippers are going to act if it doesn't even turn out them being a couple. Would they all be in a worst denial and claim that Jo lied to them? Will Emerson have a support group going being the 'Jo lied to us...who is more delusional'? Whatever I say bring on DH and get this answered for once and for all!
Olbermann has made an extremely interesting conclusion that many people have brushed against but never fully come to. Assuming Harry's scar is a horcrux, it is a very interesting thought that to get get rid of that final horcrux he doesn't have to kill himself, but give up magic altogether. Could that explain the absence of wands in the cover? HMMMMM... However, I just don't see how it is possible for Harry to be a horcrux. I think it is pretty well established that he survived Avada Kadavra, not the horcrux spell. The reason Voldy was ripped from his body, I think, is because his soul was already torn into so many pieces that attempting to kill Harry was the final straw that broke the camel's back. Harry's pure soul and his mother's protection were too strong for Voldemort to kill at the time.
HEY LETS KEEP THIS GOING UNTIL WE HIT 400 COMMENTS, THAT'LL BE A SATISFYING END TO A DAY THAT HAD A BUNCH OF KIDS BICKERING LIKE A BUNCH OF GRANDMAS ON CRACK
Agreed! I believe your word was delusional, concerning the H/Hr shippers. This is clearly the right time to employ use of such a word, yes?
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