hey sirius_lee, are you still here?

For those of you who say Scholastic has confirmed that these are all fakes, I would really be interested in seeing a link. In fact, I went to the Scholastic home page and couldn't find anything that even talked about the controversy about the leaks, never mind a denial. Sorry. On MTV's page, they did an update which included a link from Jo's lawyer saying that some of the leaks were real. It didn't say how many or which ones, so I don't know if it's one page or the whole book that's correct. It also discussed the original questions about the quality of the book. Here's the link: http://www.mtv.c om/news/articles/1564941/ 20070717/index.jhtml

There is no merit/gain to be had in arbitrarily leaking "false" stories on the web by its own publisher. I could only imagine if I set in front of my Development Staff and Board of Directors and said, lets spend money on a fake book to drum up excitment.....#1 the Series needs no "drumming up" and #2 I would be looked upon as a fraud to my peers. And to further dash that, bringing a subpeona for the "leaker" (which is confirmed) as a neat cover up to the real book is completely irresponsible not to mention unlawful. Scholastic's law team would simply not allow it, nor would police/authoratative officials. It sounds like a fanciful "what if" theory, but with all the false legal ramifications that have now spawned numerous news stories would be looked down upon as highly negligant if they were simply "made up" by the Publisher.

I BELIEVE SCHOLASTIC PUT OUT THE LEAKS. READ BELOW AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK. (sorry to keep reposting this, but I truly think I'm right on this) If you didn't see this on a previous page, I believe the entire leaked DH is a brilliant plan masterminded by Scholastic. If I were Scholastic, knowing the immense spoiler potential that lies on the web here's what I would do. I have the resources to have a team of Harvard educated chimps hammer away a fake manuscript on diamond encrusted typewriters. I could EASILY write of a lengthy false story. I would take some of Mary Grandpre's discarded work and attach it to this phony story, bind it to make it look like the real thing, then "leak" some fishy pics of the book to popular file sharing sites. Let simmer for a few days then I announce that I'm looking into punishing the persons responsible for the leak to make it seem legit. Meanwhile, these "leaked" copies not only look legit, but they are infecting every corner of the web sparking a HUGE debate about their validity. Mix that with the inevitable spoilers, false or not, from other sources and voila, you've created the PERFECT red herring. I will GUARANTEE you that on Friday night when you read Deathly Hallows you will see something COMPLETELY different that what you thought you had been spoiled with. It's the perfect plan. If you can't beat the spoilers, join them. THAT'S why there's such Grandpre-ish artwork, THAT'S why the scans look SO real, THAT'S why the epilogue is weak at best, THAT'S why the page numbers don't match, (to create another reason for debate and possibly to tip off the real sleuths), THAT'S why the chapter titles seem out of sorts with what we know of Jo's style. It's a huge bait and switch masterminded by Scholastic. I know it's what I would do

I agree wit (WHERES_MY-SNARE) I feel like it was someone who lesked it. But I'm not sure schalastics would do it.. Its brilliant.. Buti guess we'll see.. But that was an awsome theory

wheres_my_snare----wow. that is a very brilliant idea, and when you think about it, it sounds highly possible.

Sorry to be a bummer, but I just don't think that this is a plot to drum up word of mouth by Scholastic. As drakkenstrike pointed out, there is simply no need for this type of publicity. It would be a giant waste of time and money. Believe me, I hope that I am entirely, 100% wrong. If it does turn out to be part of a giant publicity stuff, drinks are on me (non-alcohol for those of you who aren't legal!). But it just doesn't make any sense. I accept full responsibility for clicking on a link that said it had spoilers. I'm ticked that I did it, but I have to live with the results now. Mike

The only way we will know the truth is to wait for the release and A.) Listen to the news, B.) Read the Internet or C.) Go pick up the book and check the last two chapters (including Epilogue). I read what was leaked in it's entirety on the net and I agree, it doesn't sound like the atypical "Potter" book, but JK never intended for this to be a young children's book. If it is in fact true, which I believe the camera version on the net is, than this in fact shows some grow in her writing style. It is the "Deathly Hallows" for a reason, and there is more than our share of death in this book. I will be there on Day 1 to take a peek at the ending, but I feel pretty safe saying I have already read the book.

This has NOTHING to do with publicity, lord knows they don't need it, lol. I look at it as an added security measure. Good points drakkenstrike but although the subpeona story is confirmed, that doesn't mean that the person under subpeona (sp) isn't a part of Scholastic's staff as well. By the time we would even see any real punishment doled out DH will already be released and the point would be moot. And I don't think this is some publicity stunt, merely a red herring devised to flood the internet with THEIR spoilers. Obviously I was being facetious when I spoke of the Harvard Educated chimps but if you really think about it, it wouldn't be very expensive to produce this hoax. Besides, I believe it's a sound expense given the amount of money they could stand to lose from the "casual" reader if the entire book was leaked online. Again, valid points, I just don't put ANYTHING past multimillion dollar coporations.

Quick comment -- some people have been referring to the Zendurl spoilers, which outline a chapter-by-chapter summary of the book. However, they do not have a seperate chapter for "The Three Brothers," which appears in the leaked images on bayimg.com ( http://bayimg.com/album/n AaAcaaaB#2 ). There seems to be an inconsistency in these "leaked" versions.

Which spoiler was the one with the swearing? was it Zendurl? Mike

Ok I was right...the book was leaked.....confirmed. http://mugglenet.com/app/ news/full_story/1112 D isappointing....Book 7 was not all that impressive.

Yeah the book was leaked, which makes the spoilers released over the past few days, even more plausible. Sorry to burst your bubble people. There is still a little bit of hope that maybe those spoilers were wrong; however, that does not seem to be the case.

SPOILER! SPOILER! Inspector KILLS "BELLATRIXKILLSRON" if he spoils once more!!!

MOONSHINE--- I'M BACK!!! R U STILL HERE?

hey, where r my CHEESECAKES??? we need some cheese to cake in here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well I understand everyones emotions about the leaked book. I read all 759 pages of story and it is very real. The page dispute is a stupid argument, if you count up all the pages for table of content, blank pages after story, author/artist bios. and acknowledgments you would have the actual publishers TOTAL page count. Another thing that clenches this for me are the very real and relevant looking Mary GrandPre' illustrations. To assemble all of this in such a way to be photographed so persuasively would be a herculean effort. It was far far better than any "fanwank". So I say to you guys quit acting like muggles and simply avoid all the spoiler stuff, unless of course you are into that sort of thing. As for myself, I enjoyed the read and will still be in line with my kids Friday night for my own copy. I'll just have a little gleam in my eye. lol

drakkensstrike - that story doesn't confirm that the pictures that have been posted are real at all. There are actual MISTAKES in that book with character names and the cover is not the proper book cover.

I've read the spoilers... and the photocopies of the book, they are nothing alike. I won't believe anything until I read the book. So what if bits a pieces are posted here and there, there's NOTHING like owning the book and reading it cover to cover. Who cares.. get the book. Crey

people, stop posting spoilers here, even if you put a spoiler warning. I REALLY don't want to be spoiled on this book so if you know something, don't post it here because I don't want to know, nor do other fans. And yes Crey, it is different reading a book cover to cover, but I won't be as surprised if I read about soandso killing ____ if I read a spoiler beforehand. Reading spoilers wouldn't stop me from reading the book, however I don't intentionally read spoilers.

sirius_lee---ok we keep coming and leaving at different times. are you still here?

Those who try to spoil for others like that are sad, sad people. I don't read the comments here, because last time I was on mugglenet I was stupid enough to do just that. It feels terrible, not knowing whether what I read was true or not. And I KNOW that I was n idiot to read the comments in the first place, but the point is that the people who spoil must be complete idiots, because they don't gain anything, they just make people annoyed, angry and sad. Spoilers; go to hell!!!

i know that some people like spoiling it for others, and i know that some people like the story to be spoiled, but the majority of hp fans here would prefer to actually read the books, so please refrain from any spoiling until after the release of deathly hallows.

Okay, after reading the article on the book being sent out yesterday by two companies, do you guys think the spoilers are real? Do you think the pictures of the book are fake? I mean, the book could either be a fanfic made by some lowlife idiot, or it could be completely photoshopped. (I've seen people do some amazing things with photoshop, and from what I've heard, the picture quality of the pages sucked, so it really wouldn't have been that hard.) I'm just so depressed about it. I want the book to be a surprise, but people keep posting comments about who dies and what happens, then someone else does the same thing, only different people die. It's so confusing. I'm literally on the verge of crying here, because this is the only time I've ever gotten an HP book when it first comes out, and it'll be the last. I just don't want it spoiled. Can someone please give me their opinion and help out a little?

harryandginnyforlife---wh o told you the spoilers?

this is so sad to read the comments from the people who read the spoilers thinking they were 100% fake and now are finding out that they very well may not be. people, i know it's fun to read spoilers now and then laugh about how stupid they were later but we are THREE DAYS AWAY. there are bound to be real spoilers out now that all the librarians have already read the book. (...) but nice theory, wheres_my_snare. it made me laugh

NOW I'M HERE MOONSHINE

@moonshine - No one in particular. Just the idiots who've been posting them in all capital letters so it's hard to avoid them.

"this is so sad to read the comments from the people who read the spoilers thinking they were 100% fake and now are finding out that they very well may not be. people, i know it's fun to read spoilers now and then laugh about how stupid they were later but we are THREE DAYS AWAY. there are bound to be real spoilers out now that all the librarians have already read the book. (...) but nice theory, wheres_my_snare. it made me laugh" =( I don't know. I guess after I read it a bit, I'll check back here to see if there are any articles on whether or not the spoilers were real. I'm sure members here will be posting about it as well.

I read some of the photocopied images, but i don't really care because i usually read the back anyway, i just didn't want someone jumping out at me and saying the ending...it's just like reading it for yourself, as for the book, even the images, if you read them, won't have you in a "full understanding" of what happens...and the spoilers contradict each other.

Potential verification of a spoiler here. Skip this if you do not want to know which spoiler may be real. For those who read the zendurl spoiler, I'm pretty convinced that it's real. the NY Times did a book review and while it doesn't reveal any of the big details, it gives enough clues that I can recognize the zendurl stuff. Sorry folks. I'm pissed off also. Mike

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some people suck. there are always some sad people who get there laughs from spoiling other people's fun./:

I am here to let you all know I believe with 100% certainty that the photographed book is FAKE. That being said I believe I have found legitimate spoilers and there is recorded images of borders employees with the books and the pallet of H.P boxes behind them.The give a lowdown on all the deaths and major plot points.So anyone who doesnt want to be spoiled better avoid the media the next few days. And all real potter fans who read the photo book new that it wasnt JK's writing.Some loser actually wrote all that bound it and photographed every page thats sick.

hey sirius_lee? are you here? i wish that we would come at the same time!^_^

are there any members of the cheesecakeian club here?

Valpotter - how does what you say gel with the fact that the Baltimore Sun and the NYTimes have posted early reviews of the book, and, although they haven't exactly spoiled it, their description of what the Deathly Hallows are coincide exactly with what I read of the photographed book? Neither paper claims they read the photographed book, but rather, were able to obtain an actual copy of the book (legally, they say, of course). Don't get me wrong, I was leaning towards fake, as well, but the reviews say different. What's your evidence that they are 100% fake?

man they closed nearly all comment boards can u believe that?? just b/c of haloow grrr... but ya and whoever said that mugglenet has been posting more spoilers than ever let me say... THEY HAVNT PSOILED ONE THING! the ONLY thing that they posted is a LINK to the new york times and it has no spoilers!!!! i swear i think the new book coming out is getting to everyones head!

SPOOILERS MAY FOLLOW, BE WARNED. Okay, there is a big argument going an here that the photographed book is real, the photographed book is fake, etc. I myself have read some of the leaked copy, and I have seen numerous mistakes in grammar, spelling, and words that are left out completely. For example, in the leaked version, go to page 392 (Chapter on Xenophilius Lovegood). Look at the last paragraph that leads onto pg. 393. This is what it says. "...had taken a small wooden wireless out of his rucksack..." WTF does that mean? A wireless what? It is supposed to be "radio", but the word "radio" is left out completely in this supposed "leak."Now i'm not sayin that this leak a fan fiction, it merely has many errors in it that you typically wouldn't find in JK Rowling book. Then again, this may be the real deal here, with a lot of mistakes. Who nows, we'll just have to wait and see.

And another thing. Look at this link and tell me, what you think, NO SPOILERS. http://img2. freeimagehosting.net/imag e.php?1d117ceaa5.jpg

Voldemort_Himself, I didn't notice the grammatical or punctuation mistakes since it's hard to read in the first place. A "wireless" is a radio and it used to be referred just as that - "wireless" - so I think that's not really a mistake. I've posted around here before but no one ever answers: The jacket has no writing on it, no synopsis, no reviews of other books; it's taped on; the epilogue has a character naming their son a name that sounds too weird and too fan-ficy. In fact, the epilogue just sounds cheesey in general. Also, why are some of the picture so bad? Plus, some of it sounds too contrived and completely out of the blue - I thought she'd leave us clues; I can't believe I missed them all after reading the books 5 times! Characters seem OOC. The picture on the title page (you know, like in OoTP it's a picture of Grimmauld Place with the title of the book) - it looks so familiar and looked familiar the minute I opened up the picture - but I can't figure out where I saw it! Valpotter thinks it's 100% fake, but haven't heard back on where's the proof. I've seen your link before, so it can be done - but 759 pages (and isn't that wrong, too!)! And then the NY Times and the Baltimore Sun post reviews that obviously confirm what the Deathly Hallows are - the same as the photographed book! I'm torn! I don't know what to think! What about you?

ooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooommmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmggggggg ggggggggggggggggggg i cant believe this i was a poster on the update of this but it got canceled i am unfortunatley a victim of spoilers the greediness side of me was shown to day wen i went and looked at five official dh reviews although i liked wat i saw i still felt guilty an like i had cheated my self for looking at them they didnt giv to much away just wat the deathly hallows were an 2 that died and 3 that didnt were the only ones confirmed also ther was a few clues but i will not mention them AT ALL NO MATTER WHO ASKS i hate spiolers they are evil but i wil still enjoy the books because (as anniebelle330 said on another topic) its not about who dies who lives who killed who but its aboout jos writing skills how she makes your mind work overdrive while reading not just because your reading but because your trying to figure out the clues she has left and revealed jo has created a world in a book not just a book that ses for e.g THIS IS NOT A SPIOLER JUST AN EXAMPLE she doesnt just write in her books voldy killed harry snape kills ron hermione survives the end. that is not all her books are about

I know that there is a lot of conflicting stuff out there at the moment and that certain newspapers have published reviews of the Deathly Hallows already, but I just wanted to add (again) for any of you who are reading this site and getting worked up, that I think this leaked book is FAKED. I have had access to the full leaked copy and if I ignore the stuff about writing style and punctuation being unusual, there seem to me to be big holes in it: 1) The images were taken with a digital camera that tags the time and date. The first images were taken at around 8.30PM ON SUNDAY 15th. Books from DeepDiscount.com started shipping/arriving on TUESDAY 17th. 2) One of the character names is wrong - Hermione is called Hermione JANE NOT Hermione JEAN. This fact is all over the internet - I doubt JK's going to make such a big error or have a big change of heart. 3) The cover of the leaked book has no synopsis or other text on the inside flaps at the front or the back. I know it is fully wrap around cover this time, but ALL the other releases have had this feature. 4) There is mention in the book of 'Babbitty Rabitty' (it relates to a wizarding children's book). Babbitty-Bumble is a Beatrix Potter character and I'd be very surprised if JK had borrowed such a distinctive, easy to find name from an extremely famous children's author. No-one (including me) KNOWS anything for sure and we all have theories. I just wish that people would stop posting that they KNOW for sure that the leak is real. It is really upsetting some people. I don't KNOW the leak is fake, but it is in my opinion.

"On Tuesday, digital photos of what may be the entire text of "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows," including 36 chapters and a seven-page epilogue, were circulated online. Neil Blair, a lawyer for the author JK Rowling, confirmed today that some genuine material from the seventh Harry Potter book had been posted on the internet - but said that there was also much bogus content circulating." That confirms that some of the leaks are real. Which ones are real is up to us to believe and to find out come saturday.

I reckon it's high time I tried putting an end to all of this, however fruitless my attempts prove to be. I'm going to be venturing into the realm of logic for this one, so all those uncomfortable with that idea might want to stop reading here -- no here -- well, all right, here. Now, I've been working in the field of digital photography for roughly six years. It's in my line of duty to be able to spot when an image has been "Photoshopped," or tampered with. Now, in the case of a book, it is quite easy to run tests that determine falsification because, well, it's really just a bunch of black and white. Now, the easiest way, I found, to test these photographs was to run pixel pattern repetition tests on most of them. I ran a batch script on all 392 pages of text. The script took random chunks of page, eliminated the text through black-pixel exclusion and saved just the pixels that made up the page. The script saved roughly three thousand patterns of page background. I then ran a PHP test on the folder I'd stored the images in to test for a match; none came up. Now, if the user had tampered the images, surely they would have just cleared out one page to remove the text, then continuously used that background to put more text on, right? Well, the tests I ran prove that each page is unique in the pattern of pixels that make it up. Effectively, this proves that the images have not been falsified. Now, if you'd allow me to introduce that lovely friend of mine, logic, does it not follow that if the images have not been altered nor has the text?

SyQo - What you say sounds perfectly legitimate. If you say that the images haven't been photoshopped, fair enough, but that doesn't prove that this is the real book. There have been many elaborate hoaxes in history and this could be one of them. And as for logic, what would be the logic of an author who has been building up to this for 17 years a) accidentally including the wrong name of one of the major characters or b) the editors leaving in that mistake?? Please allow some of us to believe that the book we are going to get tomorrow night is unspoiled :)

In addressing your first point, I sincerely doubt anybody aside from Scholastic would be able to reproduce the book so perfectly; every single nuance is there in the photographs. As to your second, you do realize we're talking of the same septology that had a character called Dumbledorf in its third installment. As much as I hate to say it, no human is infallible; a simple mistaken keystroke, or a wrongly written note in a side notebook could lead to the mishap. And, finally, to your latter, I'd like as much as you for this to be a faked version. How great would it be to read the real version of Deathly Hallows after having read the incredible version portrayed in the photographs?

"Scholastic described the content of the texts as "convincing" but refused to comment on their authenticity, noting only that several texts had conflicting content, with a similar reaction from the publishers.[63] If proven to be a genuine leak, it would be the most serious security breach in the Harry Potter series' history.[64] A review in The Baltimore Sun on July 18, 2007 corroborated many of the plot elements from the leak.[65]" From Wikipedia. I am thankful to only know of some deaths thanks in part to some on here and others in places I had no idea there would be any spoilers. However, since it has come out that many of the spoilers on here and elsewhere are wrong I am very excited now to find out the real truth on saturday. But this does substantiate that there is a real copy of the book online and that those finding a way to think of it as fake are in denial.

SyQo - what you don't address is the fact that the front inside cover flap has NO synopsis (we don't know the synopsis for the US book; only the UK book), and no reviews of the previous book on the back inside cover flap. Or that the cover is taped on. And I believe the pictures were posted before Tuesday, so before the 1200 books arrived early. And, I can't believe that 2 major newspapers would really publish early reviews of book that are not for sale yet! NYTimes gets flack for being a liberal newspaper, but not a dishonest one! Is it a hoax, designed to confuse us? Of course, that seems also just as improbable, given the fact of the details. VALPOTTER - you said you believed it was 100% fake - how do you know? You still have not answered.

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