Several weeks ago, a not-for-profit Potter symposium (MuggleMayhem) was held in the UK, and MuggleNet's own Jamie Lawrence was present to participate in some of the events.
Actor Joshua Herdman, who plays Goyle in the Potter films, was one of several actors from the franchise who hosted a Q&A session at the event. He revealed some particularly interesting Deathly Hallows information with fans that is worth reporting.
First, Herdman said that the current plan was to split Deathly Hallows just after the trio are captured by the Snatchers and right before they are taken to Malfoy Manor. Many fans had speculated this is where the split would be, as it will provide quite a cliffhanger between films. Please note that - while this may be the current plan - the director and producers have made it clear that they could very well change where they had been thinking of splitting it if they thought a different point worked better after filming was complete.
Second, Herdman says that his character will be the one who dies instead of Jamie Waylett's character (Crabbe). This decision was made after Waylett was arrested and convicted of cannabis possession several months ago. Waylett is not expected to return for Deathly Hallows.
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08-19-2009
at 11:01 PM
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:06:56
doesnt matter which one dies I am still going to cry. Also, I have a feeling that this is where they (the execs) really want to split the movie but like you guys said I also would not be surprised if it changed at the last minute due to passing and such.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:16:41
Youre going to cry for the deaths of Crabbe or Goyle? Save your tears for the important deaths!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:19:02
I cant wait!!
Not crying for crabbe or goyle. pfft
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:20:08
Oh, I found it so hilarious that Jamie Waylett was convicted!!!!! It makes me a little sad, though. Ive always liked Goyle a little better than Crabbe, and I enjoyed it immensely when Crabbe died. As for the split, that would be a brilliant cliffhanger, but yeah, it wouldnt be a surprise if they changed it. Cant wait for the final results!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:20:29
Theyre going to ruin the guys career over something most people in the free world do anyway? Its Michael Phelps all over again. Robert Downy Jr can have 37 comebacks after cocaine and worse yet Jamie Waylett cant be killed in the last movie because he got high? Sure hes no RDJ but can we just have one standard please?
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:21:10
That is an excellent place to split it! Im so excited, I hoped they would do it there! :D Yay!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:21:27
I am excited to hear the possible split area, but too bad its not going to be Crabbe getting killed. But it is a good thing to hear that the film makers have a plan to work around the truth that Waylett will/may not be returning for the final film. Also this tells us they are going to keep this great scene in the film! Yeah!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:21:55
thats n ok spot but theres wayyy better ones but i guess it depends on how much they plan on keeping. haha the crabbe dudes so bad lol but just so i have something cleared does this mean he wont be in the movie at all? ---ari lee
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:24:28
I figured he wouldnt be in the movie after this, i forgot completely that his character dies. Lame that they now have to change the story line (not that they havent changed it enough on their own) becuase he decided to do that. If he were in America it might have been different.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:29:59
So they cut Jamie Wyletts characters death in the movie because of drug charges, what are they going to do now that Joshua Herdman has photos of him smoking the same drug that Jamie Wylett was charged for possessing.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:31:07
Holy crap, I should be the Divination teacher! I totally predicted that that was where the split was! :) Just for me personally, it seems a bit far in the book, but seeing as theyre still going to have to go to Malfoy Manor, Shell Cottage, Gringotts, the battle, Snapes memories, Kings Cross and 19 years later.... Im pretty happy :) I just hope the first part of DH isnt TOO rushed - not to mention the second part. They should really just split this movie into three movies. Lol. (or more)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:33:54
Jeez, it really is the end, eh? ... :-(
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:34:35
hm, i was interested whether they would go with a big cliff hanger or not, that split seems like a good place. the only other place i considered was when ron comes back and destroys the locket, but if they want a cliffhanger this makes more sense
also im really upset about the Crabbe thing, it just is really annoying that the plotline has to change because of an actors life decisions. ugh
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:34:53
oh nvm i missed the last part oh and i agree soup i think there being too harsh its not that bad not like he killed some1
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:36:01
OMG THIS IS SOOOOOO EXCITING!!!! i think that the slit when the trio is caught by the snatchers is is perfect!!! i hope they keep it this way! and as far as Goyle dying, i think its a good idea, i think WB is just working with what they have, i think its all very good news!!!!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:39:23
Wow... I wasnt expecting to hear where the split was... and I was like, "OMG IM NOT GOING TO READ WHERE THE SPLIT WILL BE!" but then I read it... lol. Not too surprising, really. I mean, thats where most people speculated the split would be, anyways. Itd be cool if that is where they tell us the split will be, but when we actually see the movie its in a totally different place so it surprises us all!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:39:44
Hm. Might be an okay place to split it...a little later than I expected, but as hpninjaskills pointed out, theres still quite a lot to get through after that point in the story, and maybe that just means theyre making sure to leave time for the important stuff (Gringotts, final battle). As long as they do justice to the Silver Doe scene and the scene at the Lovegood house, Ill be okay. :)
As to leaving Crabbe out of the seventh film...ugh. I hate changing even a small plot point, like which of Dracos cronies dies. I guess it isnt really that important, but it still stinks. On the upside, at least we know the filmmakers consider that part in the RoR worthy to put in the film.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:44:35
I thought the better place wouldve been right after Malfoy Manor and Dobbys death. I mean, whats going to be the climax of the first movie now? Malfoy Manor wouldve worked for that perfectly. It seems a little too high energy for the beginning of a movie, I think.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:54:31
haha dats wat waylett gets and let dat be a lesson to all who think u can get away wit pot..and i smell a DEAD RAT here! isnt 2_Pac dat girl ari lee?! she jus never gives up does she LOL
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-19 23:57:21
Yeah let that be a lesson to all the people dying of cancer and pot is the only thing that makes their day a little better...weak, person above me, weak.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 00:01:58
Thats surprising that hes going to die instead of Crabbe.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 00:08:34
I actually think it would be better if they split it RIGHT after the Malfoy Manor when Dobby dies. I can just see them... looking out over the sea from shell cottage after burrying dobby and getting an attitude of "this is it, guys. Time to get into the action."
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 00:14:15
weasleychick92- I want them to have enough time for the Snape memory scene, the forest again, and the kings cross scenes! Those are the ones I care about the most. Oh.. and the final battle and confrontation with Voldemort. "IM THE OWNER OF THE ELDER ONE BETCH!" "oh knowsss!!" ;D
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 00:21:00
I originally thought a good place for the split would be after the attack in Godricks Hollow... but now that I think about it that would leave a lot left to be done in the second film. Really... the entire second film could be all the Hogwarts stuff alone... but I guess the capture will be OK... definitely a good cliffhanger.
As for Crabbe getting arrested... it sickens me that you can be arrested for marijuana possession and use. Its so stupid. "If marijuana isnt legalized within the next five years... then I have no hope left for humanity." It sucks that he cant take part in these awesome movies... although I wonder why they dont just recast him to avoid any changes. I think the dynamic of that scene will be a bit weird with only Draco and Goyle... ah well... larger things have changed and it has been ok (for the most part). Im still super stoked!!!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 00:22:48
Cool place to split the movie...
Sad that its Gregory that dies not Vincent. I am writing a fan fiction that includes a post VoldWarTwo Gregory...
Sad that one young mans life is ruined because of a drug that isnt hard in the slightest...
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 00:24:43
thats such a good spot to make the split! as for the replacing crabbe for the death thing, we should be thankful its not a bigger characters death that they are changing
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 00:57:29
i still dont like the fact that theyre splitting it. i wouldve been happier with a 7 hour movie and an intermission like they had in the old days.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 01:19:36
wat a pathetic person soup is.. why dont u get high till u die? lol
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 01:31:31
Could have had Blaise Zabini die instead.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 01:33:10
dont talk about being pathetic to ppl u dont even noe
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 02:14:21
Good split!
As for the switch in positions, it should be fine. WB is working with what they have and it not change the storyline entirely. You wouldnt want to bend a law for a movie.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 02:37:25
phoenixknighter talk to me when you have to take care of someone dying of cancer. Talk to me after you see them looking like death warmed over until they smoke marijuana and they can actually eat. Talk to me when you have the conversation with them about what youre going to do with their body if they pass in the night because its a real possibility. Marijuana isnt just for stoners, its also a great way to help people with chronic pain so severe they cant even eat because it hurts so bad. Until you walk a mile in my shoes you have no right to even think about me or how "pathetic" I am.
Jaime was using it recreationally which, unlike alcohol, perscription drugs, driving a car, filming a movie, or even eating a chicken has caused NO deaths in the history of mankind. I dont think the guys career should be ruined over something that gets glorified in the very industry hes in. So person, take your judgemental attitude and really consider how this thing you hate makes the world better. Like music? Any music? Bet people you listen to who make your life better by providing a soundtrack to your world get high. Like movies? Bet at least 3 actors you like and respect get high. My issue mainly though is for people who are in so much pain they cry when they move, smoking weed to feel better is a blessing. So dont speak to me about anything until youve been where Ive been.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 04:11:49
hmm yeh its a good split but i personally thought it wud be after dobbys death or even while theyre in gringotts and the other goblins are comming for them tht wud have been super scarry
as for goyle well cant say much tht crabbe guy was wrong but then again i think this is gonna be the worst death we see i mean all the other characters get hit by jets of green light and falling castle stone but this dude is gonna be burnt alive i think only dobbys deth will be tht bad
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 04:57:11
wow. when I read "plot change" I gasped in horror! I can sigh with relief...I dont care which one dies. And I really dont want to know where the film will be split. That would be a great part to split it...but I would have liked to have been surprised...
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 05:03:52
Awww, Goyle is going to die :(
I always thought there was a little good in him in the end. Crabbe was the really evil one.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 05:10:36
Soup - he was also caught in possession of a knife - they cant have someone seemingly violent in a kids film, especially how one of the actors got stabbed to death.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 07:17:28
Oh hes going to be in huge trouble for spilling those secrets, and awful secrets too. Its supposed to be both of them fighting and then one dies. Wouldnt it make more sense for them to recast Crabbe? Plus I see a conviction in this guys future too. Hes also a pothead.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 07:18:43
yeah i think that is a great decision to split the movie there.:D
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 07:20:18
Personally, I am glad Jamie is not in the movie and suspect it is to do with his choices as well as WBs, he probably quit as well as was fired. I could never tell the difference between Crabbe and Goyle anyway!!
I like the idea of them putting the split there, but dont you think the ending of part one will be kind of lame? It wasnt the most scary/cliffhanger part.
So DH part one will end with Ron getting punched, Harrys face getting fat, and Dean Thomas saying "Is that you, harry?" Hmm. Not to sure if that ending will rock.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 07:25:45
I knew they were gonna spilt it there! Bu tthis means dobby will die in the last movie so it wil be very depressing :(
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 07:37:36
Waylett ruined the plot. Lol. I thought the split might be there, and Im happy with that. I think theyll make it work either way though.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 08:13:25
ALL THE DEATHS EXCEPT FOR MAD EYE WILL BE IN THE SAME MOVIE!!!!! Oh man I BARELY made it through Dumbledoors dealth!!!! I say NO SPLIT, I can sit through 5-6 hours of Harry Potter with no problem! :)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 08:47:18
Just wanted to comment that it was Jamies friend who was in possession of knife, not Jamie, that is why his friend got sent to prison and Jamie just got community service.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 08:55:10
Nice, that is where I was hoping they would make the split, it seems just the perfect place. Lets hope that they decide to keep it that way. And I am not surprised at the character change, I half expected it.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 09:04:00
I cant believe hes not going to be in the films for something as stupid as cannabis possession! I really feel for the guy...
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 09:25:40
ok soup i feel u i know pot is used for medical use and i think it should stay dat way. my cousin almost died from smoking pot leisurely. personally i think pot should b legal so there will b less drug wars.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 09:37:51
Well first I am really glad were they decided to split, its a great part to leave hangin. I think its good that he is not going to be in DH because if your an actor and have everything going for you why the heck would you want to do drugs....anyone who does drugs is a loser, its so stupid. Anyone here a Percy Jackson fan!?!?!?!?! I love PJ, you gotta check him out!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 09:41:38
that sucks for goyle. its gunna be weird just seeing him without crabbe. or are they goin to get a different kid to play him? and i really hope thats where they keep the split!!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 09:47:39
I was reading the comments and all you people like soup are crazy. Ok if your in that much pain and like dying sure smoke the pot but any reagular person just doing it for pleasure is stupid and should face jail time, or in this case not being in the last movie
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 09:53:12
Thats where I was guessing the split would be at! =]
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 10:06:30
Its so stupid when actors reveal crucial plot points. Nobody in any other film would do that!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 10:20:43
Thats exactly where everyone thought it would be. lol. Im kind of stressed out about it now because thats really going to be a HUGE cliffhanger and were going to have to wait until 2011 to see the rest of it! Thats going to be soooo difficult! And now while watching the movie were going to know where it ends and were going to be thinking about it the whole time!!! But this is still EXTREMELY exciting!!!!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 10:24:51
I still think the Malfoy Manor split is far too late. Everything will be crammed into the first half and then theyll be so much dragging on in the second.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 10:26:35
I have to add...it kind of sucks that Goyle is the one to die, but I guess its good for Josh Herdman because it gives him more screentime. I dont think his character has EVER talked in any of the films and of course book readers know Crabbe and Goyle dont talk in the books until Deathly Hallows. So it kind of fits.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 10:29:26
I think they should have split it where Xeno Lovegood said "are you referring to the sign of the Deathly Hallows.
Whichever one dies, Im not getting choked up over it. Too many characters I love (Lupin, Tonks, Dobby, etc.) die for me to feel sad about a random Slytherin.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 10:37:09
I thought the split would be there, or like two minutes after right as they are getting into the Malfoy Manor, or right after Dobby dies. I dont know if Ill be able to deal with Dobbys death at the beginning of the movie. :( Then again, Mad-Eyes will be at the beginning, so I just cant win, can I? As for the plot change, I think they should have recast, and got somebody who kind of pretty much looks like Waylett to play Crabbe and die. I was really looking forward to that. :( And I think Waylett definitely made some stupid choices and deserves what he got. Actually, he should have gotten more punishment, in my opinion.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 11:00:20
Its the best place to split, and if the filmmakers show a bit of intelligence they will be able to start both Part 1 and Part 2 with people walking up to Malfoy Manor in similar style
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 11:05:56
a;lsdkfj;askdj thats awesomeeeeeeee!!! so exciting.
and that sucks about him dying haha
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 11:26:07
@loveslupin: Not really. In the FIRST HALF there will be...the opening, 7 Potters, the Wedding, Kreachers Tale, Ministry Break in, Camping, Godrics Hollow, Bathilda Bagshot, Ron returning and destroying the locket, Lovegood house, and then they get captured. SECOND HALF...Malfoy Manor, Dobbys funeral, SHell Cottage, Gringotts break in, Hogs Head and they talk to Aberforth, Neville and the DA, Harry goes to the Ravenclaw common room, Snape flees, Ron and Hermione are missing, Harry talks to the Ravenclaw ghost (if its in the movie), the BATTLE begins, Ron and Hermione kiss, the fight with Draco and Goyle in the room of requirement, tiara gets destroyed, Fred dies, Harry, Ron, and hermione see Snape die, The Princes tale, Harry walks through Forrest and talks to his parents, Sirius, and Lupin, Harry "dies," Kings Cross, Harry pretends to be dead, Harry has his battle of wits with Voldemort, the Battle ends, and then the epilogue. So really...Part Two has the most scenes.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 11:26:16
Since when has whatever an actor does in his personal life been a reflection of what he does in a movie? If THAT was a criteria, there wouldnt be an actor left in Hollywood. I suppose WB has to set an example for all their teenage actors...dont you just love when big corporations can dictate how their employees must live their lives?
I think the division where the trio gets grabbed is a fine place to cut. I can hardly wait!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 11:30:50
Soup 12, "most people" wouldnt do that. Some, sure, but not MOST. And regardless, its still illegal, isnt it? It carries a huge sentence in Britain, hes lucky to have gotten off as easily as he did. I think he doesnt belong in the next movie after that stunt, even if he is a great Crabbe. Hes lucky not to be in prison for 14 years. And its not like he was just in possession of a bag of it, he was GROWING it. I dont think "most people" GROW cannabis. | As for Goyle dying, thats not so bad, though I guess that means Malfoys gonna gain a random croney? | That split sounds great to me...though I was okay not knowing where it was going to be.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 11:39:53
Also, after having read the other comments - Jamie Waylett doesnt have cancer, does he? So all your comments about cancer were kind of irrelevant. Hopefully the kid makes a few important decisions and moves on, and then he can have a great career. After all, hes still an actor, hes just not in this movie. It isnt the end of the world. :]
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 11:49:10
I think having Goyle die works too. I mean in the books Crabbe and Goyle talk for the first time during that scene and I dont think Josh Herdman has ever spoken in one of the films. Jamie Waylett is the one who usually speaks. So changing it to Goyle works well as far as the book goes. I just cant wait to see the movie! Mugglenet should start a countdown. Its only 457 days until it comes out.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 12:20:17
About the split, the cost of the movie will not greatly increase since they will have the sets and actors, etc. They will shot the scenes and turn it all into one movie and split it in two, the result? Make twice as much money! If they say to me that the motivation was to be true to the story and please the fans, well, lets think again! So far the movies have not been so true to the books and they have cut out tons of things in every movie! So the motivation may be simply GREED! It was greed that made WB decide to change the date of HBP and it is greed that is making WB split the movie in two. The movie can be 3 and a half hours just like Lord of the Rings but no, the temptation to get their last draw at the box office is far too strong! After all, it is WB! Thats my opinion and I may be wrong, but am I? Regarding the change of plot and banishing Crabbe from DH, well, thats just punishment for the actor and his conduct. I bet WB will "DRINK" to that! Its not a fair world we live in and many times the decisions made have very little to do with morality but business and money. So one person smokes pot and the other ones drinks vodka or cognac, whats the difference? Legality! Has anyone died of "stoned" driving? Im against the use of drugs but I must say, alcohol kills far more people than marihuana! Enough of this lecture already! Enjoy the movies!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 13:20:41
Honestly, I think that Jamie not being able to return for the LAST movie sucks. Im not saying that what he did was okay, but come on! After all of the bulls**t their American counterparts pull (drug addiction and REHAB, sex tapes, DUIs, etc), the Potter kids have been pretty clean and I feel that he should be given a second chance. His career should not be over because he made a bad decision.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 13:32:09
iwantorlando05 - You just exaggerated that second half. I could easily do that with the first as you forgot to mention that the opening contains Voldemort, the Dumbledore articles, and the Dursleys. Then, on top of the little you said, theres Harrys birthday, Dumbledores will, escaping to and from London, Harry and Remuss argument, preparing to break in to the Minisitry, learning about the sword of Gryffindor, Ron leaving, the Potters graves, more on Dumbldores past and so on. And regarding what you said about the second half, I highly doubt "ron and hermione are missing" is going to take more than 10 minutes screen time. If youve going to include little things like that scene in your argument, make sure you do it for the first half as well.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 13:40:06
Thats where I always thought it would be split! As for Jamie Waylett not returning, I think theyre right to get rid of him. And its not like his "career" is being ruined, cause hes never acted in anything else and I doubt he was going to pursue acting.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 13:55:11
I thought theyd split it after Dobbys death! To make the last 4 or 5 films all end with one big death! But it will make movie fans go out and finish the book themselves!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 14:25:17
@phoenixknighter thanks man I appreciate that. Im sorry your cousin almost died and Im glad they didnt. That makes me understand a bit where youre coming from.
@bermionie77 That would mean many actors, musicians, writers, and creative types who make the art you enjoy and enriches your life are all stupid and deserve to go to jail. I dont know who you listen to but Id stake money on the fact you would be disappointed when they get slapped in cuffs and drug away because they smoke pot. I realize youre probably very young and havent experienced the world yet so I dont judge you for your beliefs on the issue but the fact of the matter is marijuana was considered a useful plant for industry and recreation for all of human history until the 1930s when it was made illegal for the purpose of the united states controlling mexican immigrants. Alcohol was made illegal around the same time to control everyone else. They repealed that one because it didnt work and if you pay any attention to the news, youll see the same thing is happening now for marijuana. My investment in the issue is as a caretaker for my best friend who is dying indeed. I live in a state where it is decriminalized on the state level and not a priority for the police. So if they dont think its a big deal why do you? Do you know more than the lawmakers of 9 states including mine and the law enforcement officials in them? Live a little in the real world please and youll find that everything isnt so black and white.
@fliz if a knife was involved that changes everything. Thats an indication of preparing for violence which I concur with decision to put Jaimes friend in jail.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 14:27:26
Crabbe was more my fav, so I will miss him. They should have kept Waylett in, because his character DIES by burning to death in Fiendfyre, it could have been a sort of metaphorical punishment. (joke)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 14:40:50
@ministryXmalcontent I dont live in the UK. I live in the US so I dont feel comfortable having an opinion on the legality and consequences there for possession. Perhaps there it is the devil and turns people into murdering psychopaths. But I dont know. No he doesnt have cancer but if he was growing he was planning on distributing and if even ONE person who was sick and in pain got some of that then it doesnt make it irrelevant at all. In America it is taking our economical crisis to make lawmakers think about legalization. The fact that it is even being viably discussed as an option means attitudes about it are changing. Like I said before, Jaime is no Robert Downy Jr and I wish him the best, but I think he is being turned into a pariah for no good reason. But then again I dont live in the UK. Perhaps he is the devil who got off easy. If he were American perhaps they would have just said "Naughty,naughty" and shook their head at him. But my entire point in all of this is that if smoking weed is the very worst thing youre doing in your life, you arent a detriment to any society UK, US, or otherwise. If you would like for me to be critical of weed smokers I would say get off your stoned butts, put the XBOX controller down, and create more artwork that would make the world better for it.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 14:44:03
Yea i think thats a good spot for the split, not what i wouldve guessed but it leaves plenty of good parts for each half. Idk, Im kinda disappointed they took Crabbe out, but i assume they did it mostly for younger kids. It would set a bad example for younger kids, to see someone get caught with pot and then still get to be apart of something like this (It might make them think something like that is okay, which its not).
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 15:14:58
@loveslupin: It wasnt an argument. I was just trying to point out that quite alot happens in the second half of the film if they split after the trio get captured and taking into account they dont cut some of that stuff out. Because you said it would be dragging on because the majority happens in part One. But if you really think about it...both parts are quite even. Part One is going to obviously be more action-packed while Part Two will be more Epic and emotional.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 15:27:54
oeoeooewwww, big fat bad Jamie Wayletts ! hes sooo bad, he cant even die properly in a "family friendly" movie. We can have death and murder in it, but no juvinal actors who turn out to be potheads.
well who are the real potheads here? most likely sitting in the WB offices.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 15:39:32
omg. what a place to skip the movie! ending it right when the trios lifes end up in mortal peril. i cant wait to see the looks on my family members faces who havent read the books when that movie ends. if they even keep the split there that is. haha
and ahh..so now all they have to do is rescue malfoy?
and did anyone else notice on tom feltons twitter he kept saying how he was filming with harnesses. room of requirement scene much? im guessing that at least
wow i cant WAIT for this movie
itll be amazinggg
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 15:49:33
I dont see how thats a good place to split it at all... Maybe I just need to reread the book anyways, I am ashamed to admit that I totally forgot Crabbe even dies haha.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 16:07:21
Theres a picture of Josh Herdman smoking weed too and he still gets to be in the film. I mean I understand why WB wouldnt want Jamie in the film because some people would think WB "condoned" that kind of behavior, but it really sucks because Jamie has been there since movie 1. And by the time DH part two comes out people will have forgotten about the whole pot scandal anyways.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 16:36:26
Hmm .... wonder was he meant to say that ?
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 16:56:00
Soup, Im not from the UK, either. I live in the US and know exactly whats going on here. However, Waylett is NOT American, so he could have been given the sentence they use in the UK. As for the rest of your comment, whatever. Marijuana is bad for you, as are all drugs, so its a moot point. Dont tell me "all it does is mellow you out," because there are loads of other, more negative side effects, especially in the memory and cognition areas of the brain. | xheheitssamx, Ive been following his updates, too, I felt so bad for him in those harnesses. :P
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 17:16:55
I kind of figured the split would be there too. I am kind of mad that they have to kill Goyle instead of Crabbe but I can totally see the reason behind it too.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 17:21:13
personally i think that WB is trynna show that they dont tolerate that behaviour by making an example outta him cuz hes easy to replace and it doesnt affect us but thats not fair to him and also if this was daniel then it wudnt be this way ---just a thought
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 17:21:14
personally i think that WB is trynna show that they dont tolerate that behaviour by making an example outta him cuz hes easy to replace and it doesnt affect us but thats not fair to him and also if this was daniel then it wudnt be this way ---just a thought
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 18:05:27
It wasnt actually Josh who leaked the split. I wont say who it was because theres no point in getting anyone else into trouble.
I just feel really bad for him because im sure the WB will be pissed.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 18:05:45
fairychick0909 if they did that I would in an intermission! No way would I make it that long without a potter break and time to stretch my legs out. *lol* I want to know how long theyll make us wait between movies.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 18:24:41
i too thought that was where the split should be...but now, knowing it for sure, feels antclimatic, since it will no longer be a surprise. it would have come out eventually, anyway, but it was still one last thing to debate about. as for jamie...i feel conflicted about it. i wonder, though, what will happen to joshua for the pics of him smoking pot that have surfaced on the internet? i wonder if wb will make any statements about that?
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 19:03:43
@ministryXmalcontent I hate to break this to you, but everything is bad for you. Or at least, it wont make you live forever. As you said, ALL drugs are bad for you such as perfectly legal prescription drugs that have quirky little commercials on TV that can kill you. There is no way to make it out of life alive and to spend your life avoiding that fact just leads to regret. Im not condoning being reckless, whatever that is defined by the individual, Im just saying demonizing this drug makes no sense when more harmful substances are given freely everyday to anyone who wants them. Now please dont put words in my mouth as Im perfectly able to speak for myself. I never said all marijuana does is "mellow you out". I understand its harmful side effects. But just like any other substance we have to personally judge whether or not the consequences are worth the benefits. The world is changing and people are realigning their stances on what is important. If you look at the numbers of people who do not feel marijuana should be criminalized you will see millions and millions of people around the world who like I do, disagree with you. I do not want to be misunderstood though. Just because I disagree with you doesnt mean youre opinion isnt valid. I dont know you or where you come from or how this issue effects you personally so I have no right to judge you. I agree with hermionenessie, there is a double standard in place here and I dont think its right.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 19:36:17
Haha so much for all this to be a secret. I remember when Heyman said that they didnt want any of the fans to know where the split was until the movie came out. I expected it was going to be split here anyway. :)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 20:21:48
Im not a fan of the "current" plans for the split. IDK, just not. Nor am I a fan of all the comments about marijuana. Okay guys, let it go. Im trying to read comments about a split in a movie, not the pros and cons of marijuana use. That isnt even what the article was about! You all must simply agree to disagree. Those who do it (for whatever reasons), do it; those who dont (for whatever reasons), dont. CHILL! I do disagree with his actions though, dont get in a car if you are doing it, and dont grow it! Whether or not he does it, in my eyes, hes not half as bad as those of you who keep coming back here, to a Harry Potter fan site, checking all the comments, just to argue with and insult each other. Its like walking into a hen house with a bunch of squawking chickens! I must apologize for being just another one of those comments about the marijuana.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 21:24:01
I dont want any part of this to smoke it or not to smoke it argument, but I do want to say that yes, people have been harmed because others around them (behind the wheel of a car, etc.) have been smoking pot. Also, WB has to take a stand like this for their own public relations, I know it sucks but they have to do it.
That said, this is exactly where I thought they would split since they said they were looking for a cliff hanger. Theyve been giving hints here and there, so this is not a surprise. Also, it is possible that they will have the Blaise Zabini character hang out with Draco and Goyle so that there will still be three going in and only two coming out of the Room of Requirement. They seemed to use him a lot more in HBP so thats a possibility.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 21:31:54
theres nothing wrngwit a good discusion jhh7487 no ones really argueing just .. countering and this article DOES mention drugs afterall
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-20 22:39:03
Hey! This is pretty much where I originally thought it would be! I even have it written down as the place I thought the movie should split! Only I thought it would be right after Harry says Voldemort and they discover that the snatchers came to call. This is really great and all, but, not to sound morbid or anything, I was kind of hoping wed get to see Malfoy Manor in the first part; now I have to wait another year to see that part! Dont get me wrong, I didnt like it that Bellatrix was torchering Hermione but that whole scene is very powerful and suspensful and would def. take everybodys absoulte best acting to get the scene done right, which is why Im looking forward to it so much. Who knows, maybe theyll change it at the last second. I soooooo cant wait! This info totally made my day (my second day back at school, ugh.) Also, I dont really mind that Goyle will die instead. Him and Crabbe were pretty much the same one way or another so whatever. As long as they dont kill off George instead of Fred, Ill be good! *is very,very satisfied. goes off to listen to mugglecast.*
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 04:51:24
I dont mean to insult anyone. The reason they have to deviate from the book on who dies is because of this issue which is on topic. But I will agree to disagree because this isnt the forum to try and change someones perspective on an issue that divisive. I agree with who ever said Dobbys funeral was a better split but, eh.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 06:51:05
It still doesnt matter that he didnt have the knife himself - it doesnt look good that hes hanging round in a gang that carried knives after what happened to the actor that plays Marcus Belby - the British media and knife crime at the moment is wild - and I think it was a contributing factor to the loss of his job - and on the drugs issue - Harry Potter has lots of very young viewers, WB cant be seen promoting lesuirely drug use to children so of course he has to go, or they would face a massive backlash.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 07:40:56
NOOOOOO GOYLE CANT DIE!!!!!!!! CAUSE GOYLE RULES!!!!!!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 12:30:25
Not really surprised to hear either piece of news, the split sounds right. It seems like the correct area to leave the movie to me, always did from the moment I read the book.
As for Jamie Hylatt, well he shouldnt have been taking drugs or growing them should he. What did he thing would happen, WB would say oh never worry, you are looked up to and idolised by millions of kids, for being part of the Harry Potter universe, sure you can stay and make the next movie? I dont think so. What sort of an example would that be to kids everywhere? It is of course crap that Joshua has to die in his place but ultimately it is the right decision.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 12:53:56
So Crabbe got cut from the films. Thats pretty crazy. Sure what he did was wrong, but why not show some compassion and forgiveness?
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 15:39:23
MMMmmm that place seems kinda lame... not as suspenseful as Id hoped... I thouhgt the best part would be when Xenophilius says "Are you reffering to the Deathly Hallows?" or something. But on the other hand it should feel like the end of a scene, not the middle of one... so I dunno, maybe after they escape Godrics Hollow, or Ron comes back, but I guess that is not far enough along...
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 15:41:41
Well we knew from an earlier post (I dont remember what it was about) that Blaise was going to be in the Room of Requirements and after HBP I didnt expect either one to return, because it seemed to me that Blaise and Pansy Parkinson had replaced Crabbe and Goyle. I dont think it will do anything to disrupt the plot in any way, there are far more important plot lines than who dies in what room. 1 year and 90 days to part one, if they dont change it.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 15:53:21
That sounds like a reasonable place to split; as for the "Goyle dies instead of Crabbe" thing, Im already sensing some holes in it. If theyre going to make any last minute changes, it wouldnt surprise me if that was one of them. I cant wait to see how it pans out!
In regard to Waylett, its a big deal to me not because of what he did, but when he did it. If this was after the movies were done, I wouldnt care whatsoever, but this was a great opportunity and he blew it. I mean, Id do just about ANYTHING to be in a Harry Potter film or at least on the set. Some might say that because he played a supporting role instead of a main role like the Golden Trio and/or most people (non-actors) do it, it shouldnt be a problem. But still...seriously? It upsets me that he would throw away his career like that because of a joint. Unless he didnt want to be Crabbe anymore...
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 16:54:45
1. Waylett may have flaws - unlike most of us - but he is not violent. (Yes, I do know.) 2. He
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 17:17:56
Whoops, that went wrong, didn
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 17:23:28
someones cuttin ur coments off lol
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 17:25:33
Dang. I swear Im not stoned, folks. Just a novice poster. Sorry, hope I get there ... just trying to say that its surreal that Wayletts been fired because hes too wayward to play Vincent Crabbe. Over pot use??? THATs pathetic, IMO. Not bad news for Josh, though - he finally gets something interesting to do.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 17:30:55
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 17:43:56
Where I went wrong was composing on Word and cutting and pasting into the comment box. It - doesnt - work! Id get back on topic by saying the split is exactly where I first thought it would be ... but that would be even more boring.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 18:55:11
haha oh my bad.. good thing u told me cuz i was gona start a speech bout how brave u wre and how much i looked up to u
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 19:23:06
Hmm... I think it might be awkward for there to be only ONE of Malfoys chronies.. you know?
And I thought the best part to split the book would be when Ron leaves. I mean, cliffhangers are great and all, but this isnt a TV show. Its okay to do that if you watch the rest of the show a week later.. but.. thats just weird for a Harry Potter MOVIE.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 20:00:54
OMG OMG I THINK THAT WUD B AN AWSUM PART 4 THE SPLIT!!!!!!!!!!!!omg and goyle is guna die instead of crabbe???............
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 20:01:06
OMG OMG I THINK THAT WUD B AN AWSUM PART 4 THE SPLIT!!!!!!!!!!!!omg and goyle is guna die instead of crabbe???............
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 20:36:44
Thats a good area for a split. It would make you anticipate what happens next...
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-21 21:29:04
On an entirely different topic from my other responses...I think it would be better to split the movies after they bury Dobby. That part of the book is pretty much where hes at a crossroads, seems as good a place as any to get the split over with, dont you think? If they do split right before Malfoy Manor, its gonna feel a lot like its right in the middle. If they did it at the "crossroads" area, its just like all the other movies - a cliffhanger, but with some sense of closure... But ending as theyre going to Malfoy Manor is like "lalala OH BAM HERES THE END," its just too abrupt in my mind. But I could be wrong; they might pull it off very well.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-22 05:08:30
I thought theyd go for the post-snatcher/pre-Malfoy Manor cliffhanger or a movement-into-the-next-ph ase closure moment, which would be just where you said, ministryXmalcontent, at the Horcruxes not Hallows decision. The trouble with the cliffhanger option is that we know what happens next, and now what little drama could be squeezed out of where the book is split has been AKd off the Astronomy Tower. Who can get excited about the prospect that - oooooh - they might change their minds? (It would be pretty strange, if there are two distinct films, as Yates claims.) The trouble with the closure option is that its two thirds into the book. Another effective closure moment might have been the end of the Silver Doe chapter. That would allow Kloves to play with the teen angst hes so fond of, as Ron becomes disaffected; keep Godrics Hollow as a major set-piece; include a knowing reference to Snapes resolution in film 8; give Harry his big moment retrieving the sword (whoops, another underwater scene); reintegrate Ron into the fold with a rare opportuntity to play the hero, and finish on a note of resolve as Trio solidarity is permanently established, bar some post-reunification bickering. Ah, well.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-22 09:10:05
It wont be right seeing Malfoy just with Goyle . People will begin wondering what the hell happened to Crabbe...
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-22 09:31:40
I agree with Fiendfyrefest--the end of the silver doe chapter would be a great way to end the first movie. Ending here would also keep the first film contained in the realm of personal things like the Harry-Ron-Hermoine relationship, and allow the second film to really focus on the bigger picture of the war against Voldemort.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-22 13:12:36
Oh This is a great place!! Yea! :D
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-22 13:12:40
Oh This is a great place!! Yea! :D
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-22 19:35:27
That split is going to be TORTURE!! Omg! Were going to have to wait 6 months for Part two!! Im just going to have to see the movie like 15 times in theaters! Hopefully that will help.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-22 21:50:28
Can I butt in here and say how strongly I am against where they are splitting it. I dont know about you, but I would like DH 1&2 to be fully rounded off movies. These are movies, not tv shows.
And, a cliffhanger is only good if you dont know what is going to happen next. Well, weve read the book so we know whats going to happen next?
If i was dictator in charge of making the movies, I would end the first one after Dobbys funeral. Anyone agree, or am I insane?
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-22 22:47:38
Good job ruining the plot, Waylett...my god. whateverr.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-22 23:54:34
A little thing like changing which Malfoy Sidekick dies bugs me. Its not true to the story just like any other change theyve made. But I guess. It is what it is, and we cant change that. Atleast SOMEONE dies. right? haha.. ;]
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-22 23:54:45
Samual i agree i think they should end it off like the other movies so it seems like it was meant to be
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-23 18:32:08
Well I dont know because the Dobby scene is really sad and I think it would be kind of depressing to end on such a down note--plus it is way past the middle of the book--but when they are acting maybe that wouldnt be the case. Anyway Im rather fond of the silver doe idea, because its not really a cliffhanger, but its still cool. But on the other hand we wouldnt hear anything of the Deathly Hallows till part two, which might be weird.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-23 19:07:37
Two things:
1. Does this mean therell be no Crabbe at all in Deathly Hallows? Thats just stupid. Get another actor! I realise thered be an uproar if they tried to replace Dan or Tom or Rupert or Emma for the last movie, but Waylett?
2. The Snatcher scene is quite late in the book relatively... I thought theyd split it earlier. I suppose they might stretch the Hogwarts battle scene out, and the Gringotts break-in etc, plus all the planning at Shell Cottage. HANG ON... the shell cottage scenes were the first scenes they filmed, yet recently Emma said they hadnt started filming Part 2 yet. Hmmm. :-/
And to fairychick0909 - you and other diehard HP fans (like myself) might be happy to sit through a 5 hour HP movie, but the producers dont want to limit their audience to diehard fans of the books - they want to attract other people too. And parents are hardly going to take their 8 year olds to a 5 hour movie.
And to soup... are you a total idiot? Theres actual MEDICATION out there for people who have terminal illnesses, they dont need pot. Geez.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-24 00:29:20
LilaBear, you have given me hope. I want it to end at Shell Cottage, after Voldemort gets the Elder Wand, and Harry has made a decision to go after the horcruxes and abandon the hallows. I know its pretty late in the movie, but they can expand the second half by showing Nevilles rebellion at hogwarts, which I hope they do anyways. Its a hard decision because they have to find an ending somewhere in the middle of the 7th book, and there are not a lot of really good places.
But imagine youre watching it, the heroes are captured, and on a sled ..... what next?
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-24 12:40:58
Ooh, that would be a cool place-- after Voldemort gets the Elder Wand... but either way I think they mustve shot parts of part 2 because in the pics Bellatrix was at Shell Cottage so they were obviously doing right before the gringotts break in... Yeah I think part 2 can be dragged out but then I hope part 1 would not feel squished because they would want to expand on the godrics hollow, I have a feeling, and the silver doe. I hope scenes like the wedding or discussing horcruxes can make it in there and have a fair time.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2009-08-26 20:12:56
oh my goodness! i loved jamie ): im so sad hes not coming back for the seventh film. also, i think they should split it where dobby dies. it would be a nice cliffhanger, but not too much, like pirates of the carribean 2.
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