During our interview with Harry Potter producer David Heyman on Episode 200 of MuggleCast (released Wednesday), David confirmed that they have nailed down their split point. Significant, given that we've heard over the past year that they have been toying with several different ideas while filming. Additionally, he gave new insight into how they made their decision:
The script [for Part 1] was written with an end in mind. The first draft was written with one ending and as we developed it, it went to another ending. And then we reverted in part to the original ending because we felt it allowed us a more emotional conclusion and felt like it was more complete, as it were. But we've added this other scene which I think is really amazing - and I can't tell you where the break is, I'm sorry - but I do feel it will be incredibly dramatic, very moving and make people want to watch the next film.
What do you think of this "other scene"? What could it be and where do you believe the film will be split?
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Posted by Micah
06-10-2010
at 8:05 PM
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-10 22:20:47
It better be "incredibly dramatic." I'm getting "incredibly dramatic" just waiting for the film!
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Posted by: (MuggleNet) - Posted on: 2010-06-10 22:27:18
I really believe the only possible split is in shell cottage after Harry talks to both Griphook and Ollivander about the Elder Wand and Gringotts vaults. It'll have the emotion from Dobby's death just before this and lead into the final hunt.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-10 22:33:07
thats not much of a cliffhanger though
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-10 22:37:20
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-10 22:38:10
I think it should end when voldemort finally gets the elder wand in dumbledores grave. Then it will just go black and the credits will come. LOL :)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-10 22:39:13
I think it'll be at Shell Cottage, after Harry buries Dobby.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-10 22:45:16
Hmmm this "other scene" ... I really have no idea. But I'm sure what ever it is, I'm gonna love it no matter what.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-10 22:46:47
I thought they said it was after the Snatchers caught the Trio, just before Malfoy Manor.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-10 22:47:02
i think about right when harry realises that dobbys been stabbed and dies, credits roll with harry holding and crying over dobby's body.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-10 23:05:53
I think its where Ron leaves Harry and Hermoine because I think last month they re-shooted that sceen in the studio with the locket.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-10 23:06:14
I think it'll either be when the Trio is captured by the Snatchers OR when Ron walks out. Both are dramatic scenes AND cliffhangers if one were to stop reading the book at one of those two parts.
As for the "other scene", I heard that they were adding a scene with Harry and Hermione dancing that wasn't in the book, but I get the feeling that's not the scene that David is referencing. Could be anything; remember in HBP when they added the Death Eaters attacking the Burrow? I understand why they put it in, but it wasn't necessary; we all know that Voldemort thinks Harry's quite easy to find.
Bah, I'm rambling >.<
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-10 23:09:12
Well, we definitely know that is it not at the point when Ron moves in for the kiss and BAM credits...hahaha
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-10 23:34:21
Originally, I had heard that they would end it with the trio getting captured by the Snatchers, but I don't think that is a particularly smart idea. If they really want to make two separate films that can be told apart, then they need to end DH part one with somewhat of a resolution to a conflict. I am assuming that we will be seeing Malfoy Manor in DH part 1, since the scenes taking place there can be considered the climax and the escape from Malfoy manor to the safe haven of Shell Cottage can provide somewhat of a conclusion; and I think the dramatic turnabout can be Dobby's sudden death. I actually visualized this in my head. Once the trio abruptly arrive at Shell Cottage, they'll notice that Dobby's been injured and call to the residents of the cottage (Bill and Fleur), and both will run out to aid the recently-arrived refugees. As this action is taking place, the camera zooms out slowly and there is a gradual fade out. The film ends. That is how I envisioned a well-done finale; one that would resolve a conflict yet leave plenty of loose ends for the final half. Well, this is me getting carried away. I usually like the added scenes in the HP movies; so I'm hoping this one is no different. It actually gives us something to look forward to, since we know we aren't anticipating something we've already preordained from the books. This will be quite fresh.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-10 23:49:25
They're probably going to end it after the burial of Dobby the scene they probably added may be the Trio talking about what they're going to do next and the task they have to complete. This would probably be placed right after Dobby's burial. This works out well because there's a solid climax in the story and it has a conclusion. A cliff hanger isn't smart because then the 8th would rely too much on the 7th. Usually people don't like cliff hanger's (Matrix Reloaded, Pirates 2, etc.)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-10 23:53:19
I'm going to say it's going to be one of two possible scenes. For me the most likely will be after Ron tells Harry "Your Parents are DEAD! You have NO Family" and Harry attacks him. They show the Trio Running through the woods. I'm probably way off base, but it seems like Harry and Hermione are chasing after Ron.
The only other possible scene it might be is after Harry goes through the hell of witnessing his Parent's Murders.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 00:13:19
I echo what others have said, and really think that the first movie will end after the burial of Dobby. I am interested to find out what the added scene will be, and if it is added at Shell Cottage or not.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 00:34:46
I definitely believe that the split will be just after the burial of Dobby at Shell cottage.
I think it concludes the arc of the first half's storyline quite nicely.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 00:50:04
well judging by the trailers they are including the dragon, malfoy manor and ron leaving so i would guess some point after all that.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 00:53:44
Hmm, does the Weasley place burn down again? xD Although I have to say I did like that scene, unlike most people, so I'm sure I'll enjoy any new scene they add this time.
Oh, and thumbs up on the cleverness of waiting a few days before posting news from the MuggleCast interview, giving people a chance to listen to it first. ;)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 01:15:42
This is what I think. For big news like this, I think that Heyman and the "big wigs" like to get involved. And what I mean is is that in the interview and up above it says that Heyman cannot comment publicly about the split, but what he could do is secretly go on this site and disguise himself as a normal fan and actually give the real news about the split, but make it seem like just a normal fans idea about the topic. So I think that Alexander Rodriguez is a big wig, like he actually knows where the split is because what he said is seriously spot on. I don't know for sure but that seems like whats goin down to me! I believe him and agree with him about the split.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 01:18:45
I am sure that the split will be when the snatchers catch the trio after a long chase... Heyman clearly says that they have added a new scene which will be dramatic... In the book the trio get caught easily without a fight when harry speaks voldy's name... here a extra scene is added.. i.e they dont go without a fight, there will be a long chase and fight after which the snatchers will eventually catch them... isnt that dramatic.... and when they are caught, it would obviously make the audience wait for the second movie anxiously... so the second movie will start when they r taken to malfoy manor... It will surely be not after dobby's death.... almost only 30% is left after that... by saying emotional scene, i am sure heyman meant it for when the trio get caught roughly...
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 01:26:45
I hope that when the snatchers get them, that Hermione swells Harry's face, in the past movies, they have substituted stuff like that for other things, like when Harry is on the train stiffened up like a rock from Dracos spell, and Luna saves Harry instead of Tonks. I don't know I hate little things being changed like that.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 01:41:13
Great, they have 2 films and they're choosing to be unfaithful to the book. -_-' This had better be a good added in scene. As for the split, i reckon it's when Ron leaves... but maybe i'm being influenced by the picture..
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 01:41:54
i think it might be when the snatchers get them! coz it's a pretty good place to end part one! and the "added scene" sounds pretty interesting...
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 01:52:17
The Deathly Hallows starts out with the Malfoy Manor and I think Part 2 will also start out with the Malfoy Manor. In the Empire Strikes Back it ends with Luke being left for dead and Han Solo frozen and taken away. The characters are knocked down, left with defeat, and there is a whole lot of uncertainty. I think that Part One will end with them being caught and maybe even taken to Malfoy Manor with us being left with "how will they get out of this" kind of feeling. Part 2 will begin with them at the manor, at least I hope thats how it will be.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 02:32:19
I think splitting it when Ron leaves is too early in the story. After all, Harry and Hermione have to do all of their Hocrux hunting scenes without Ron. Think about it like this: just having them hunt for the Horcrux and going to Godric's Hollow will take up at least a good 30 minutes of screen time.
Also, I think having the split right after they leave Malfoy manor would be much much later than an "even split" would be considered. (Although it's likely to produce a strong reaction of "OMG Dobby's dead" for the audiences.)
Can't you imagine that they might split the movies right when Ron comes back, right when Harry goes after the Silver Doe? Like you see Harry getting to see the Doe, (Maybe a sneaky camera shot of Snape in the background watching Harry trying to get the sword from the frozen water?) Harry and Ron making up (sorta?) and the last thing you see is Harry telling Ron to stab the Locket.......and "To Be Continued"
That would be pretty emotional I think.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 02:37:59
Okay, I am going to say something different. lol. How about right after Harry/Hermione escapes Godric Hollow? That way, we can have a sort of montage where we see Harry and Hermione together, coping with what has just happened, while Ron is at Shell Cottage, remorseful. They'll prolly add other scenes, like Hogwarts, and the Weasleys hiding at different places.
/Just my two Knuts.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 02:49:20
I think they'll split it at Shell Cottage after Dobby's burial, because it would definitely be an emotional, moving conclusion like Heyman said. However I do fantasize them ending it with Harry saying that he is going to break into Gringotts after talking to Griphook and Olivander. This would also be a dramatic and moving way to end the first part but leave it with a big cliffhanger that'll make people want to see the second film. It'll even provide a feeling of resolution. I think that decision is where the book starts to change, this is where Harry starts to get into some serious stuff, in a way it's the most dangerous, risky thing he's ever done. There are advantages and disadvantages to both endings, and I think either one of them are likely and I honestly cannot pick between the two.
I think the additional scene will be an emotional scene between the trio about Dobby's death. I can't remember right now if this happened in the book or not but if it didn't I could also see the additional scene being a funeral for Dobby.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 02:54:23
I think the split will be just before Ron destroys the locket... It makes sense, a bit...
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 03:08:29
i am almost possitive it will be at Shell cottage around dobbys death because than the story is at a high point but tumbles into a long emotional part and in the end they harry would say something like "were going to break into gringotts" or something like that and than the film would end because a great start on part 2 would be the gringotts break in... ive thought about this for a long time and it totally makes sense especially because David Yates has revealed that most of the part 2 will be the Battle of Hogwarts
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 03:17:09
I agree with MAGDALENA, Ron leaving is definitely too early in the story! I think their fight and Ron coming back and destroying the locket will all be in the first part.
I also don´t think that the split will be after Dobby´s death, I always guessed it must be right before they are brought to Malfoys Manor. I really liked SUJAYS idea, who said that the chase in the woods might be where the trio is chased by those Death Eaters, then someone gets hurt and they are caught and it´ll be really dramatic.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 03:31:22
I personally don't think that the split will be after the malfoy manor, seing as Bellatrix has announced, that she only will make an apperance in DH part 2. Perhaps it will be the capture, which will be quite an action filled an good place to stop, because og the curiosity of not getting to see, what happens to them. This will also mean that both part 1 and 2 have plenty of scenes, and can follow a good flow.And yes as many of you have pointed out a twist to the story could be a massive chase through the woods, as we have seen parts of in the two trailers... No matter what, I simply can't wait much longer...
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 04:40:03
Hopefully it wont be as 'exciting', 'emotional' oh and time wasting as the extra added burning of the burrow!scene.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 04:47:12
@ annika.. yes and we also see ron falling down onto the ground while turning bck during the chase.... I think he wil be the first one to be caught and then the other two..
I am pretty sure that the split will be after they are caught by snatchers.... tht would make ppl look forward to the 2nd movie to see how they get out... i think the last line of the 1st part might be by FENRIR after he catches the trio : "Lets take them to the Dark lord" and the movie will end with terrific looks on the trio's face...
if it ends after dobby's death, then they would have taken it tooo ahead... only the gringotts remaining before the last fight... And most importantly it cant be after Ron comes back... they atleast have to show lovegood scene in part 1... bcoz thts when we come to know abt deathly hallows for the first time... if the movie ends before this scene many ppl (non book readers) would wonder why the movie is named "deathly hallows"... but the ending imediately after lovegod scene will also not be at cliffhanger or dramatic.... I am sure it would be when the snatchers catch them.. 200% sure... and heyman clearly says it will be during a NEW SCENE.. where else can u combine the new the scene and the ending.. dobby's death doesnt have any new scene.. the chase would only be the new scene where the movie will end...
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 05:52:17
I loved the interview and David Heyman is really a super guy, very dedicated like we are to the Potter franchise but there are a few things that caught my attention:
1- first of all, he said during the interview (the DH sign on Salazar Slytherin's locket) isn't it supposed to be on the ring?!
2- Second, I had my hand on a leaked bit of the script of the seven potters scene and I am disturbed by it. Not that I mind changes, I mean book adaptations are hard but I'm just worried about the people who just come out and trash about how the Potter movies suck.
3- I also liked David's comment about how they're trying to stay true to the books as much as they can. =)
Bottom line I'm excited as hell for both movies but still worried!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 06:13:46
I think it will be split before Ron comes back to Harry and Hermione - so maybe at Godric's Hollow with Voldemort, or when Harry jumps into the lake to get the sword of Gryffindor and then Ron saves him - that's my prediction.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 06:17:02
This movie is going to be awesome!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 06:24:55
My bet is when Dobby dies. Nuff said.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 06:35:44
If the trailer shown on MTV is any indication, Part I will go through at least the burial of Dobby.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 06:45:20
Hmm...do you think the added scene will be an adaptation of when Ron leaves and is talking with his brothers? I can't remember clearly is there was actually a narrative of that or if we just know what happens based on what Ron tells Harry when he comes back - that his brothers gave him hell for leaving. That could be quite emotional, couldn't it?
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 07:27:13
I think they will end Part I with Voldemort taking the wand from the tomb as Harry, Ron, and Hermione are burying Dobby, and Voldemort is now is a position of immense power in the audience' mind, and Harry is at his depths of despair. I think that they can put Ollivander's interview in either movie since Xeno will give the first info on the Hallows. The audience understands completely in Part I already, and Ollivander will provide that exposition in Part II. I think Dobby will have to be killed in Part I, because that is where the audience will make a connection with him and his death will be the strongest. If they kill him in Part II, it will be sad, but the impact won't be the same if they re-introduce the movie character in Part I and don't complete his part of the story. Just my take on it.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 08:10:50
I agree with the person who said that the split will be when the story itself makes a drastic change. Yates could possible have given us a clue: the first half is a road picture and the second half is epic. When does the book stop being about the trio on the road? Well, right up to when they get caught. That is why I'm assuming that the best split would be right after Malfoy Manor. Once again, that scene provides a sufficient conflict to sustain one whole film. Otherwise, I'd feel the film would be incomplete. Yes, the Snatchers scene can be interesting, if done well, and they can leave us in a huge cliffhanger; but I find that unwise. Once again, they're trying to make a film here, not an episode for a show. Let's see. I guess giving it a dramatic ending may be the right thing.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 08:11:54
I hope they do it right.
It sounds good though.Eeeeeeeeeeeeep
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 08:16:55
I'm almost certain it will be RIGHT when they arrive at Shell Cottage. That's the only good conclusion, IMO. The trio arrive there, finally with a safe place to stay, but on the dramatic side you've got Dobby dying suddenly after they arrive, and Hermione injured. Like in the trailer, Ron is helping Hermione, and Harry is talking to them. I think that could be Harry saying he's decided against finding the hallows. So after all that happens in Part 1, Harry, Ron and Hermione are safe but there's a greater sense of danger, and there's still the mystery of how Dobby found them, and the silver doe and stuff to carry us into Part 2. That's the only split I can see working, just my opinion. :)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 08:34:59
I think it s good that they ve added another, different scene to split the film cuz you can t really find a good place to split in the book! i think the additional scene comes before malfoy mannor
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 08:48:01
I'm gonna bet on something different to the rest of you. This probably isnt right but i like the idea. I think the split will be just after Ron comes back and they destroy the locket. The whole silver doe scene will be amazing and very dramatic, and like David says this will give it a "conclusion". It is a big milestone when reading the book and is almost exactly half way through (in terms of pages). Anyone else like this idea?
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 09:07:34
I really hope they end it with Dobby's burial; my gut has been telling me that's the obvious place. I agree with HeRonFan that Dobby needs to die in the first film so that we feel the full emotion of it, and his burial would certainly fit the definition of a dramatic ending and a feel of completion (just as a death at the end of moves 5 and 6 have). It seems like a perfect break in the action, and it's definitely a turning point in the story where Harry makes a final decision to go for Horcruxes instead of Hallows. I dunno, the heavy, dramatic events at Malfoy Manor and Dobby's death seem way too heavy for the beginning of Part II but perfect for a climax of Part I. And the re-grouping and planning that goes on at Shell Cottage seems like a great way to begin Part II. One thing that makes me question this, though, is Heyman's talk of a new scene. Does he actually mean that the movie will end with this new, invented scene? I really, really hope not, but that's how it sounds, unless he started rambling during that sentence or something. :( I cannot begin to express my frustration at all the talk of how they love the books and that they have to cut things, and then they go taking up precious time that could be used for important things so that they can add their own stamp to these films. I do remember Heyman saying something at another point in the interview about a new scene where Harry and Hermione remember Ron or something, and I can only assume that's the scene where we get the pictures of Harry and Hermione dancing in the tent...my guess is that they are talking about how their relationship is brother-sister and they wish Ron understood that or something.... Anyhoo, I would think that's too soon to end it, so I would tend to doubt it, but it would fit the bill for a new scene. Ugh. Well, it shouldn't be too much longer before we know.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 09:39:30
I thought I heard somewhere that it was really plausible that they were splitting it right after the snatchers, before Malfoy Manner, and I do really like that idea, but that does really save tons of action for the second part, Malfoy Manner, Gringotts, the Battle of Hogwarts. Dobby's death wouold be more moving I suppose, and just as dramatic., but who knows. I know in an interview a while ago Helena Bonham Carter said all of her stuff at the Malfoy Manner with the trio was going to be in the second part, but that was a while ago, and things could have changed by now.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 09:49:20
From what Heyman said about it being "incredibly dramatic, very moving", it's obvious it's not really a cliffhanger, more like a sort of a conclusion to one part of the story. Which is good, in my humble opinion. I mean- a cliffhanger?? It's not like I'll be biting my nails, worrying what will happen next. I read the bloody book 10 times over! :D
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 09:50:37
Guys can we just relax and wait up for the movie? Let's put aside the frustration and the pessimism and try to milk the best of what's left of Harry Potter =)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 09:52:03
If they use part 1 to fill in stuff ignored in HBP (including the whole Bill W. & Fleur thing) and perhaps other films (S.P.E.W. comes to mind) then the first film could end earlier than one might think - maybe after Ron comes back, but before Dobby's death.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 09:57:23
After recently re-reading DH I felt that they may cut it after the mini-battle at Bathilda's cottage. For whatever reason, that portion really effected me this time as supremely suspenseful and dramatic. Especially because when Harry wakes up he is in a torrent of emotions when he realizes that his wand has been destroyed (hopeless and angry). As Hermoine is depressed and anxious. IDK, just my thoughts.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 10:05:20
i think the BEST place to cut is when Ron bitches out and leaves. What i'm upset about, however, is the way he worded it and said they ADDED in a scene. I'm SO EFFING TIRED of them ADDING scenes. Half Blood Prince is my favorite book of the series, but the movie was very disappointing because of scenes they left out & added in.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 10:13:48
I'm not exactly sure if they WILL split it at Dobby's death, considering how they haven't exactly given us room to care about Dobby as a movie-going audience. Most of the non-readers won't care if this lovely little house-elf dies. Personally, I think it will be when the snatchers grab the trio. As for the extra scene, I'm just going to wait and see. Also, I'm glad they didn't replace Dobby with Neville for this one, or else they really would have a story problem.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 10:15:14
No, wait, I take it back. What Leslie said is better. Ron leaving will be more emotional.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 10:21:34
ok...i rethought it. Either Ron bitching out or right after Dobby's buriel. both good places.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 10:31:27
I think after Dobby's burial. It would be a great cliffhanger. I am soooooo excited to see DH part 1!!!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 10:52:25
I think there are a couple places that would be good for the split. Shell cottage, right after Dobby's burial, or after they talk to Olivander. This "added scene" worries me a little. I will be happy if it is a scene from the book but if it is something completely new that they made up...I might have a problem with that. Especially if there was a scene from the book that would have done well in that spot.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 11:16:42
I sounds like it will be the death of Dobby for the split. Personally, I think that is too late in the story and there isn't enough material left for a good movie. I am somewhat concerned about an added scene as I don't think they have a good track record. The attack on the burrow in the last movie shouldn't have been included and I really missed the scene at the end over Bill's hospital bed with Fleur and Mrs. Weasley. That would have provided an uplifting moment at the end and led into the next movie (I agree with leaving out the funeral).
When I looked at the book, I thought the split might be at the escape from the Lovegood house as it is near the middle. That would provide a cliffhanger of sorts but not much emotionally.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 11:31:10
i agree with phoenixmaster!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 11:33:40
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 11:34:14
I think the new scene is the one that Jason Issacs alluded to. My assumption is that we will see Voldemort torture Lucius, either into insanity or death so that this action in particular will propel Narcissa to betray him in the forest.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 11:41:50
I wonder if Dumbledore's funeral will be treated as a set of flashbacks. To have his funeral in HBP would have meant a lot of recalls for cast and therefore lots of money. With the cast so complete in DH and already being paid, they could do bits for the funeral one day/week, and then tear apart the sets for the battle after that. It could haunt Harry's dreams at the Burrow. So that could be another added scene as well, that wasn't in DH. Could also be my wishful thinking. "Dumbledore's (wo)man through and through." Obviously I'm missing the Headmaster as I re-read DH.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 11:42:43
@ SUJAY, that´s interesting, I didn´t interpret it as Ron falling to the ground because he got caught first, but him turning round in shock because he had heard Harry or Hermione cry...
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 11:47:56
The filmmakers never seemed quite certain about where they would split the films. Helena Bonham Carter said she would only appear in the second part because the filmmakers were debating their original ending, but they have probably decided to include Malfoy Manor into the first half without consulting Helena Bonham Carter. The same thing happened in HBP. Harry was informed that there would be obvious children inferi present in the cave, but when we saw the movie, we could hardly decipher who the children inferi are. What I'm trying to say is that the ending could be anywhere. Sometimes the actors are misinformed; they think one thing and say during an interview, but then the final product proves something completely different. If they will finish it with the Snatchers, then they'll probably add a bit of dialogue with the trio while they're being held captive that will be uplifting or somber and will leave us wanting to know where the rest of the story will take us.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 12:25:18
Alexander makes a point...The filmmakers can't stop amazing us every movie and I hope they will blow our minds with these two because for me, Harry Potter has taken 11 years of my life and has inspired me to do a lot of stuff I haven't thought I had it in me like writing (Joe gets all the credit for that)...I hope they will give us nice movies worthy of the Potter franchise that's all!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 12:34:35
I always thought the split would be after Harry talked to Griphook. That it would end with Harry telling they will break into Gringotts. And then part 2 starting with Harry dreaming about Voldemort taking the Elder Wand from Dumbledore's grave. And that he talks to Olivander after he wakes up. So you have a good ending for part 1 with Malfoy Manor, Dobby's death and Harry planing to break into Gringotts. And then in part 2 you have Olivander talking about the DH as a reminder for the audience, planning Gringotts, Gringotts, Aberforth's story, The Carrows, McGonagall vs. Snape, RoR, Battle of Hogwarts Part 1, Prince's Tale, King Cross, Battle of Hogwarts Part 2 and the Epilogue. But now with that added scene i am pretty sure everyone will be wrong. You can't know how it ends and starts because you don't know what the added scene will be. But i really think it is after Dobby's death. They gave him extra scenes to remind everyone of him since we haven't seen him since SOC to make it more sad, so his death should really be in part 1. And there will be enough left for part 2. And, people please, the MTV trailer is fot both parts. I say this because I read someone had said part 1 must end after dobby's death because it is in the trailer. EVEN HOGWARDS IS IN THE TRAILER, IDIOT!!!!!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 12:45:39
I really need to stay off of this site. I can't freaking wait until these movies come out, and reading all this news is killing me. November, why can't you be here now???
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 12:51:52
Personally, I think ending it at Dobby's death would be a strange move by the makers. As much as i loved this scene in the book I don't think the non-reading audiences will care much for Dobby like we do. I know there was talk of reintroducing Dobby earlier in part 1, but i still think that considering the majority of people watching the movies haven't read the books, it would seem weird for them to see all this emotion surrounding an odd little elf's death. Also i think they will want to avoid repetition - there has been a death scene ending the last 3 movies - Cedric, Sirius, Dumbledore. So i still stand by my original comment of ending it when Ron arrives back, saves Harry from the lake and destroys the horcrux locket. Although i am still unsure, because having the extended snatcher scene, malfoy manor, and dobby's death at the beginning of part 2 wouldn't work all that well. So basically.. I don't know and i can't wait to see it and find out.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 13:06:53
I've always hated the movie Dobby, so stopping at his death will give me a happy ending!!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 13:46:43
I haven't read the books in awhile, so it's hard for me to guess where the split would be.
I would hope it's not Dobby's death. I'd prefer it to be when the Trio gets caught by the snatchers.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 13:50:02
If Bellatrix isn't going to be in Part I I don't see how they can do Malfoy Manor without her, so in that case I think the split would be when they got captured by the snatchers. But Heyman says they redid the split multiple times in the interview, so at the time of the interview with Helena she may not have been in Part I but if they changed the split after the interview she could be in it now. I still think the split would occur nicely after Dobby's death or after Harry says they're going to break into Gringotts. Dobby's death would provide an emotional resolution to Part I, and leaving it at a cliffhanger might be too much like a tv show. Dobby's burial provides a natural ending to Part I, and Olivander could refresh the audience's memory with his speech about the Hallows in Part II. Harry saying they're going to break into Gringotts would be my second choice for the split, because it resolves the conflict between Hallows and Horcruxes and it's a major turning point in the book but it still leaves a lot for Part II. I think this is a weaker ending though, and it doesn't feel as natural as something like Dobby's burial. Splitting it any earlier than this would leave too much for the second film. The Gringotts break in, the Aberforth scene, the Room of Requirement, the scene in Ravenclaw tower, the battle, Harry's death, King's Cross, Harry killing Voldemort, and the epilogue will all take a long time. It would allow them to pay attention to all of the details at the end of the book and I think it would leave fans more satisfied with the end of the series. I think they will do a great job like they have on all of the other films, and bring the end of the series justice, no matter what they decide.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 13:57:45
A few theories... what if they show Hermoine altering her parents' memories? That would be moving, because you see what she's sacrificing for this battle with Harry and Ron.
It would also be a shock if they show Bellatrix torturing her. They've already shown Harry being tortured, so you can't tell me it's too traumatizing for the audience.
I hope it's not a scene that is completely unrelated to the book, like the bloody "let's pyro the Burrow" debacle. I'd like it if it was something that we guessed at in the book but never really saw. I think it would have the best reaction from the audience.
A great split would be Harry deciding to break into Gringotts, but I know that if Bonham Carter said she won't be in the first film it throws my theories out the window.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 13:57:51
Tomj, you make a really valid point; I didn't think about that. It's true, every film since the fourth has been ending with a death, so it's might become redundant. I also agree with you that we haven't been exposed to Dobby enough in the films to actually sympathize with his character if he were to die. I know we fans will find it sad nonetheless only because we know how big a role Dobby played in Harry's life and overall safety within the books. Non-reading audiences won't really care much, unless they do what one of you mentioned and reintroduce him for a few minutes towards the beginning of the movie to remind audiences that he's back. I would think the best time to do that would be when the trio are in Grimmauld Place. It would actually be interesting to have Dobby appear while Kreacher is sent to fetch Mundungus Fletcher. Dobby could act as messenger, letting the trio know that Kreacher is safe and will arrive promptly. But, then again, I guess we'll have to wait. I'm just going on in a ramble.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 14:06:48
@tomj, that's another reason why I think it could be when Harry tells Ron and Hermione they're going to break into Gringotts.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 14:09:29
Alexander since you seem like a poised being =D would you mind telling me your opinion about the added scene? don't you think the filmmakers should stick more to the content of the book rather than add up stuff? I mean there's a lot going around in DH to cancel something important out for something that could to the fans, be irrelevant?
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 14:27:49
Alright in my mind the split has always been just before malfoy manor and just after they get caught by the snatchers. Also, I want to make this point: If they don't add Dumbldores funeral or flashbacks to Dumbledores funeral then it wouldn't make sense when Voldemort takes the Elder Wand from Dumbledores tomb, because for non-book readers it would be confusing because it will have gone from Dumbldore being on the ground below the astronomy tower to being in a tomb by the lake. (I think its by the lake anyway)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 14:33:41
I think the point where the snatchers show up would be ideal. It's a good climatic moment and would create a cliff hanger. I agree that Dobby has not been a central character in movies and as such might cause confusion among Harry movie-only goers if they end it there. But as Heyman said it would be an emotional conclusion, it sounds that a death will be the way they go. As for adding a scene, maybe it will be whatever is needed to catch up non-readers with the info that he left out in 5&6. I'm trying not to get myself all excited about these films as I think Heyman did a lousy job with the last two and I don't have much confidence in his directing abilities.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 14:43:43
I think the spilt will be sometime pre-Malfoy Manor since Helena said most of her scenes are in part 2.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 14:44:09
I think the split will either take place :
a) during/ afterthe snatcher scene, with the additional scene after that
b) after Godic's Hollow
I think Godric's Hollow really sounds more moving. The bit with Nagini would be a fantastic end, and the bit where Harry relives his parents' murders would be incredibly moving. The new scene could be after all that, when Harry notices his broken wand.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 14:44:30
Maybe it'll be the added scene where Lucius dies.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 14:46:53
@Cindy Perry: It's David Yates who directs not Heyman =) and besides, I believe Yates captured the darkness quite nicely! The spirit of the books is there but, you somehow leave the theater wishing there was more! =)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 14:47:15
I don't typically like added scenes, so it better be good! I think at Shell Cottage would be a good place to put the split.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 15:18:20
Here's what I think: 1. Splitting the movie anywhere before the Snatchers scene would be too early. Think about how much would have to be put into part 2 if that were to happen. 2. Just because Helena said "fill in the blank" doesn't mean that that is what's going to happen. It really depends on when the "movie people" decided for sure when the split was going to take place. 3. Hearing David say that the ending of part 1 will be an "emotional conclusion" and make the film "more complete", basically makes me feel 100% sure that the split will occur at Dobbie's death or after. If part 1 ended with the trio being captured by the Snatchers, it would be an "emotional conclusion" but it definitely wouldn't make the film "more complete", for obvious reasons. BUT, ending the movie at Dobbie's death or sometime after would allow for an "emotional conclusion" and make the movie feel "more complete". I understand that casual HP fans way not have much of a connection with Dobbie, but seeing a little elf die would be something that could make anybody feel sad. 4. Also, ending the film at this point is a good spot considering that the story changes from them "camping in the woods" to them getting more involved (ex. breaking into Gringotts, going to Hogwarts, etc.) I feel like I'm in my college English class annotating crap ;)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 16:03:16
I agree with Pantera2012, I think that the split will be made around Dobby's death.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 16:08:30
I wonder if he means the added scene is where part one will end? I'm not worried about them adding anything, because if they're going to split the book then they have to tweak it a little to make it work on-screen. It just can't stop. I'm really hoping they split it right after the get caught by the snatchers. It would be a nice cliff hanger and it would also make the two films symmetrical, because they would both begin at Malfoy Manor (assuming part one does begin like the book).
I think if they split it after Dobby's funeral, it would be too somber and DH part two would just be the Gringotts break-in and then the battle.
It's going to be really interesting to see how DH part two functions, because the last half of the DH part two is so fast-paced. It's action, action, action, and the trio are discovering so much information. However, JKR still did a brilliant job of interjecting moments like Snape's death, the fight with Draco in the room of requirement, the Hermione kiss, etc. so the battle isn't non-stop fighting.
The only other place besides the two mentioned above where I think they could split it is, right before the trio get caught by the snatchers. There's that moment in the book right after Harry says, "Voldemort" when everything goes quiet and then Greyback tells them to come out. It could end there, but it would be a weird spot. Like someone said above, anywhere BEFORE the SNATCHER scene is way too early.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 16:11:08
@Travis Mandel: Are we sure they killed him off? I know it sounds like that's what happened, but Lucius could just flee or something.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 16:12:21
I just can't wait to see it! Where ever the split is and whatever scene they've added I'm sure it will be amazing. I have faith in them! :D
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 16:28:19
I'm not very happy about the split, which apparently now Twilight will do also. The problem is that I want to see the whole story of book 7 at once or I think at least the split should be 3 to 6 months apart; more will be ridiculous! Anyway, this people are a one track mind, they make their decisions and do whatever they think is best even if the majority of fans don't agree. Well this isn't a democracy but a franchise and like in all franchises it is money that counts! I hope they do an excellent job because book 7 is really my favorite. Actually, I do believe they'll do a fantastic job and we all will be happy with the whole thing.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 16:35:30
Today a coworker suggested where the trio flies off into the sunset on the dragon. It's a neat idea, but it's more than halfway through the book. The end of the chapter where Ron comes back seems to be exactly in the middle; but since we keep being told what's in a book doesn't translate exactly in film that may not mean anything. Which brings me to the second topic of conversation. NO ADDED SCENES!!! If they're completely made up anyway (I assume "added scene" means made up rubbish since we don't know what all of the real scenes are at this point.) If they're going to feed us the line that they can't include everything in the books because of time constraints, then how do they have time to add foolishness that didn't even happen?
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 16:45:39
Ugh, stop adding new scenes. The added scene in the last movie felt completely out of place and pointless.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 17:12:24
What the fuck? They fucked up the last movie becuase of their pointless fucking scene further fucking up the already fucked up career of David Yates'. WB chose a fucking great director to fuck up this incredible series. They always say something will be awesome and moving but it never fucking is. I bet Andrew made a fucking Twilight site cuase he saw that there is no fucking hope for this fucking film series. Fuck David Yates, fucking hack. Fuck David Heyman, fucking hack. Where is Christopher Nolan when you need him? Now there's a fucking brilliant director who can make fucking great movies.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 17:22:50
i like that they actually added a new scene. i liked the new scene in hbp, and trust the people over at WB, with their decisions. as long as it's not delayed, i can't wait for DEATHLY HALLOWS!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 17:23:48
Ok guys, think about it. When Ron leaves, it's like nowhere NEAR halfway... Then there would be nothing in the first film. If they leave it for too late it will be boring since all that would be left is Hogwarts, which, though awesome, I don't think I want to watch a movie that is 2.5 hours of fighting.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 17:47:43
Please use more mature language.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 17:48:23
I just HATE random added scenes!! The burning of the Burrow in HP6 was just pointless and stupid! I'm not happyy with Yates at all, he'll ruin the best part of Harry Potter, the DH!!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 17:54:47
It only makes logical sense if they split the film right after Dobby's burial. Look at the patterns presented in the endings of the previous films. Never have they left the audience with such a cliffhanger as they would if they ended the first part of Deathly Hallows with Harry, Ron, and Hermione being caught by the snatchers. Although this was what was said to be the ending according to David Yates, Early on in the filming of Deathly Hallows, Heyman has said that the ending will be more "complete" and conclusive...a "complete" and conclusive ending does not end with a cliffhanger like that. The moving scenes he described is most likely due to the drama of the events at the Malfoy manor and the events after that up to Dobby's burial. Perhaps by adding this more conclusive ending, the producers are just trying to uniform it with the other films and not make it as evident that this is a book split into two movies. Plus, not to be dark but the last three films has ended with a death as well (Cedric, Sirius, Dumbledore.)
Heyman does not speak of a cliffhanger ending and only one that is dramatic and will make people want to watch the next one. My hope is that they make the Malfoy manor the climax of the first part because it is a moving and dramatic scene.( p.s...is anyone else extremely interested of how Rupert Grint is going to do that huge crying and screaming scene when he is in the basement of the Malfoy's?)
Anyway, Heyman believes that the script was written with an ending in mind (I am guessing this is the scene where Dobby is buried) and then they changed it (to the Snatchers) and back to its original...the added scene though is skeptical because he did not specify if the added scene was in the book or not (it sounds like it's not) I honestly cannot imagine any add on scenes at that point but if there is one I hope it fits.
Anyone who has read the book before the movie is going to come out, knowing that there will be a definitive split, can feel where it will be and where it fits. That split fits right after Dobby's death...Although there were some scenes in the clip shown at the MTV Movie Awards that seemed to be in part two, those scenes at Shell Cottage could be justified to be in the part one preview coming out at the end of this month because it will before the split...
If in this preview we see clips from the Malfoy manor we know where the split and the climax is of this movie will be.
Lastly, people have said that the split will be before the Malfoy manor (like when Ron leaves) yet this is impossible because the producer's plan is to make the final battle huge and in my opinion it will take up most of the last film because that is the sort of thing people are waiting for. They cannot have two climaxes like that in one film because they definitely are fitting the Malfoy manor scene into the movie (due to the evidence of a cut made by Bellatrix on Emma Watson's neck in the clip premiered at the MTV Movie Awards.)
The final battle may not seem as long in the book and therefore may confuse some, but a movie is more visual and the final battle is a way to end the series, that has been critically acclaimed for their amazing graphics, with a bang. Sort of like the scene of Harry with the Hungarian Horntail (book compared to movie)
Anyways...due to the fact that these two huge scenes could not fit in one film because of their importance and production of a dual climax, we can count on the ending occurring after or during the Malfoy Manor...and to those of you who think it will end before that...let me ask you something: Where do you think the climax of the first movie will be if not the Malfoy manor?
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 18:03:08
I think it will split after Dobby's death, maybe with Harry faced with the choice between Hallows or Horcruxes. I know Heyman hasn't talked about a cliffhanger, but I feel like there needs to be somewhat of a cliffhanger, because the two movies are one story.
As for the added scene, I don't really have an opinion on that for now. I think it depends on the scene. If its something random like the Burrow on fire from HBP, then that would be annoying, especially if they cut something important out because of it. If its a scene that adds to the plot, then I wouldn't mind it.
I'd also like to know how they are going to set up a lot of stuff in DH, because they left so much out of HBP, like some of the Horcruxes, and Bill and Fleur. So maybe the added scene explains, say, the locket or the diadem?
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 18:10:10
They could actually add the scene of Ron's apparition with unconscious Hermione. Takes care of her a moment. That would be nice, but since the release of the pictures, it looks like she conscious as Harry realizes Dobby is dead at the beach.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 18:18:27
@Davidaccio: I think you'll find that the vast majority of HP fans are happy with the split. A two-part film gives them the chance to be more faithful to the books than they ever have been. Anyone who loves the books should see that this split was done for the fans. Obviously it's about money too, but I have a feeling people would've been infuriated if they'd made Deathly Hallows into one 2 and 1/2 hour film.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 18:19:17
@HeRonFan: I think she's conscious in the book too, she's just very weak.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 18:54:33
I think it will be after Dobby's death because as a couple of people have already states movies that end on cliff hangers are generally hated by the critics. Cliff hangers work for TV series because it is all woven together, but movies, even if part of a series, are supposed to be able to stand alone. The scene with Dobby's death offers a resolution (escaping from Malfoy Manor) to a conflict and a conclusion (deaths in the three previous films at the end would be symmetrical as well). Then at the beginning of Part II they can interrogate Olivander and he will offer a refresher. The people who say after Ron leaves are way wrong because we would not have even heard of the Deathly Hallows at that point and it wouldn't make since to have the movie named "Deathly Hallows Part I" if they haven't even been mentioned.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 19:26:26
Everyone makes such good arguments for their various cases! I personally think it will be after Shell Cottage... but as previously mentioned, for the majority of audience members Dobby's death will not be particularly tragic (which is the thing I hate most about the movies). What ever it is, I hope they make it good!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 19:39:37
Ok here goes, the split will not occur after dobby's death. Reason being...Heyman says the split will occur at an emotional time in the movie and it will leave the split in DH1 complete, more conclusive, and making us WANT to see DH2... In a story the writer builds on a character as to make us feel attached to them and then sorely missed if they die. Dobbys absence from the screen is where the the problem lies.This does not make for an emotional complete and conclusive ending, especially for the movie goer. The last thing we are to see in DH 1 is the death of a house elf that we havent seen since 4 films ago? A split at Dobbies death will not only confuse the movie goer (but us who read know whats going on)but be meaningless to them. As i said there really is no emotional attatchment to this character seeing that they left him out of the last 4 movies. As far as dobbies death leaving us wanting to see the next, this also doesnt work. Theres no drive for what happens next, it just ends with another sad death.
Now what does make sense according to Heymans statement is this: Ron returning after harry follows the silver doe and rescuing him, destroying the horcux and returning to the tent where he finds a fuming hermione that ERUPTS into one of her BIGGEST fits yet. Now that whole sceneraio is extreemly emotional according to the book, emotions run high right from the rescue to the destruction of the horcux and the re-uniting back at the tent. Sometimes people mistake "emotional" situations as only being sorrow and tears. Emotional can also be fear rage happiness...However this is the prime split. Not only by this time in the story has enuff passed to fill the first half of the movie but it would leave us feeling like we had just got off a rollercoaster of emotion. Harry wandering about the woods completely destroyed inside at the loss of ron taking off and hermione reverting inside herself and barely speaking, the loss of his wand, not finding anymore horcruxes and not being able to destroy the one they have got, then suddenly ron shows up and saves the day! gone from despair to redemption! then ron facing his own demons within the locket! Then back to the tent for the re-unite! And then the re-newed sense that they CAN and WILL hunt down the remaining horcuxes and destroy voldemort! hows that for emotion! And conclusive-they are going to finish their mission that was looking so bleak that they just might have been in over their heads! And complete, Rons back, theres no guessing where he is or when he is to return! This is no cliffhanger ending. The trio are out after voldys ass once more with renewd spirit and I can just imagine the camera fading back as the three of them set off for lovegoods house.NOW THAT WOULD MAKE ME WANNA SEE THE NEXT! It would leave me feeling complete and happy that through all that emotion and happenings they are all back together finally and off to kick some A**! This is an emotional, conclusive and complete split. For those of you who are still skeptical keep this in mind, its the perfect split especially due to the time constraints. For example if they split after silver doe here is what would have happened allready and is MORE than enough to fill the first half: 1 The dark Lord Ascending 2. In memoriam 3. The dursleys departing 4. The Seven Potters 5. Fallen Warrior 6. The ghoul in pajamas 7. The Will of Albus Dumbeldore 8. The Wedding 9. A Place To Hide 10. Kreachers Tale 11. The Bribe 12. Magic Is Might 13. The muggle-born Registration Comission 14. The Thief 15.The Goblins Revenge 16. Godrics Hollow 17. Bathildas Secret 18. The life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore and 19. The silver doe. I think we have a winner here!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 19:43:44
I am so Happy that he loves Snape and that he(or Steve Kolves rather)left out alot of things!Im excited that he is actually a fan and know what happens before reading the script.True fan!Awesome!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 19:58:24
I have no idea where they'll end it. I mean, the clip they showed recently shows them leaving Grongotts w/the dragon. Is that where it's going to end? Because that would just be STUPID! I mean, after they fly out on the dragon? In the book, yes it was dramatic but how will they start the 2nd part of the movie? I don't know. I mean, leaving Gringotts is soooooo far into the book, it won't leave much to tell in the 2nd part and way too much in the 1st part to make it a good movie. I really hope they don't screw this movie up like they did the last two.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 20:15:49
Didn't David Heyman say a while back that the split will give a certain character a good farewell? (or something like that) If he did say that, then who else could he have been talking about besides Dobbie?
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 20:23:05
I would love it if they split it when Ron returns. But the problem is that this means they go to the Lovegood's house in part 2. And that there will be no mentioning of the deathly hallows in the first part! Unless they add a scene regarding them, the only option is splitting the film somewhere after the Lovegood's house visit.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 20:26:29
If Heyman did say that(@pantera2010) It was obviously a while back and since then there have been multiple split ideas. Im going off what he said in the 200 interview of mugglecast. It's the most up to date info we have. And even if he is misleading us and still going with the idea of giving a certain character a good farewell, that could be taken in so many ways, it could also be Ron for instance it could be farewell to him when he takes off and then the split happens and we dont see him till next movie... there are many scenarios...not just dobbie. read my previous post and have fun with it! Cheers everyone!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 20:29:33
hmm. that's actually a really hard question. it's either going to be when ron leaves (which would be very predictable) or when their breaking out of gringotts after Dobbie dies. (which would probably be something no one saw coming) but in the end, we'll have to wait and see.
though it would be totally mega super awesome foxy hot if the final scene was them on a dragon's back flying away!!!! i'm not gonna lie :)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 20:29:40
@Ishi, maybe thats where the xtra scene comes into play, maybe they split after ron comes back and add an xtra scene somewhere during DH1 abt the deathly hallows to set it up for DH2
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 20:33:27
I love Catherine's Ideas of having the extra scene with ron and his brothers. It sounds like a very emotional scene to me. I personally cant decide where they will split, but either way I'm excited to see how the film will turn out. This is going to be an EPIC movie!!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 20:36:23
O0Amy0o: It was pretty recent, like earlier this year or late last year. I REALLY doubt that they would split the movie anywhere before the Snatchers scene, because they would have to cram tons of stuff into part 2.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 20:48:20
@pantera2012 everyones got really great ideas, and im waaay excited to see where the split is gonna happen, untill then we can all keep debating it. I think it's fun! Plus it just goes to show how much everyone knows and loves the HP books :) :) :)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 20:53:36
Anyways Im gonna go for now cuz STTNG just came on! (yes im a Star Trek fan as well as HP fan....pffffh who isn't lol :)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 21:06:40
THANKYOU 00AMY0o!! Some one who agrees, i think after silver doe would be a great ending to part 1. Hugely emotional and dramatic. And i think it was David Yates (or possibly Kloves) who said about the "good farewell to a character" thing. However if i remember rightly i thought differently to everyone else about what he said and i thought that everyone in the comments was reading it the wrong way. I think the way it was quoted confused people. I'll have to go back to that in the archives and reread it.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 21:07:19
Everyone's got such great ideas...my head is spinning! I hope they announce where the split is, because then we will be expecting it while we're watching the film. I love the idea of a scene with Ron and his brothers. We've never really seen them all interact before. It's usually just Ron, Fred, and George. So, that would be nice to see, especially considering what happens on one of them during the battle. *sniffle*
@O0Amy0o: I love Star Trek. lol.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 21:08:01
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 21:09:33
Think about it... it can't really be before the trip to the Lovegood's house since people who've never read the book would have no idea about the Deathly Hallows--and since that's the title of the movie that would be rather an important connection to make. After Dobby's death is starting to make more sense to me, I think. I used to think it would be good if it was right after Xenophilius says the bit about 'are you referring to the deathly hallows.' but now I don't think that would be enough for the first film. As far as the extra scene--oh my god if it's like the burrow on fire I will kill the filmmakers that actually detracted from the story. But I think maybe they could make a good movie only type of scene that would be cool, but I have no idea what it could be about.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 21:11:02
ok i found it...... The writer Steve Kloves gave a tip about the division spot, saying it was the most “sound creative decision”. He also said that the division will be an appropriate farewell for some characters, “It should allow us to stretch a bit with the characters and give them the proper send-off.” I don't think this means Dobby dying.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 22:00:38
Ok, Star Trek is off, Im back. I've seen them all about a bizillion times but still looooove them! @Tomj High Five me buddy!!!!!!! I totally agree with you. I have to say the split is so tantalizingly there around Silver Doe. It may bleed a bit into Xenophilius somehow just to make the movie make total sense but then again maybe thats where the extra scene comes into play. At any rate, the point is, my bet is on Silver Doe! And to anyone else whos confused about what we saw released during the MTV Awards. They stated on their website that it was indeed a teaser of the movie as a whole. They showed bits from part 1 and 2. I actually posted this onthe comments page for the awards that night. CHEERS! :) :) :) @Tomj Im so gonna High five you all over the comment page the day they release the info on where the split is...if we are right that is LOL :) :) :)
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 22:10:15
Steve Kloves' comment makes it sound like they may have split it around Shell Cottage. That will give not only Dobby a send off, but Lupin as well, because we don't see him again until Harry sees his dead body in the Great Hall.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 22:13:07
Yeahh high five !! And you never know they could switch Xeno's scene to earlier in the film or something. But anyway.. enough discussion. 4.20am = time for bed
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 22:35:05
Soo, apparently my super long comment from earlier did not go through. And quite frankly, It was kind of long. So I'm just going to say this: Of course the Mtv Movie Awards Clip is of both parts! It quotes Voldemort several times from the chapter 'The Forest Again.' (Eg. "The boy who lived... Come to die).
And also, I think the best split would be definitely The Snatchers scene, but I could go on forever about this, so I think I'll stop for the moment.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-11 22:40:47
Iwantorlando05--umm actually we see Lupin in the Room of Requirement when he's showing the picture of Teddy to all the people. So it's not really a send off for Lupin. PLUS we technically see Lupin in the forest, even though he's dead.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 01:53:40
First consider the facts. Fact 1: Heyman says they have considered two splitting points; one scripted and one that evolved during filming. Fact 2: They have reverted to the original scripted point. Fact 3: Yates said one of the ideas was to split it when the snatchers catch the trio, however we don't know if this was the original idea or the one created during filming. Therefore, fact 3: there is a 50/50 chance this is still the splitting point.
Now onto educated guesses. The alternate splitting point could not be too far from the snatchers one, as the rough timing and sequence of both DH parts would be pretty much set in stone, and a decision to change the splitting point to Dobby's burial, for example, would add 20+ mins to P1 and remove 20+ mins from P2. Of course some shuffling could be done in editing but nothing too major.
My guess to the alternate option is Ron's return, it is close enough to the snatchers scene in terms of there being no set piece in between (visiting Xeno Lovegood is likely to be moved earlier anyway). And it is a perfect alternative as the snatchers scene is a cliffhanger whilst Ron's return is more of a resolution. It just depends which way they want to go.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 03:20:14
Helena told that a long time ago, if they’ve changed the split she might also be in part 1 now. I also think Bellatrix should be at the attack at the wedding. Before Malfoy manor would be too early, because it is called Deathly Hallows. The first time they’re mentioned is at Lovegood place. And shortly after that they will get caught by the snatchers. They shouldn’t end it with a cliff hanger. Malfoy Manor should be in part 1 because it gives it a climax. I think the emotional thing has something to do with Dobby, maybe that added scene will be a scene to also make Dobby’s death sad for the non-readers. Dobby’s death would be very emotional and their escape from Malfoy Manor would give it a conclusion. And then the end of part one is when Harry decides to break into Gringotts what will make us want to see part 2. Then they can start part 2 with Harry dreaming about Voldemort taking the Elder Wand from Dumbledore his grave, I think a dream is a good beginning for a HP film. And then part 2 still has Olivander as a reminder, Gringotts, Aberforth, Ravenclaw Common Room, Chamber of secrets, Fat Friar, RoR, Prince’s tale, Dumbledore, Harry killing Voldemort and the epilogue. O0Amy0o and Tomj could be right but then they’ll have to move the Lovegood scene and this would be a big difference from the book. Weren’t they trying to make it fit to the book as much as possible??
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 07:04:21
alright, here is the theory to end all theories: the split will be right after Hedwig's death. eh? eh?!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 07:29:56
i hope it's not when dobby dies... that wasn't very emotional to me, dobby's just an annoying elf.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 08:41:23
I see someone mentioned that because the trailer shows us the dragon among other things that it will be part of the first film, not so, the trailer contains at least one scene from something which I happen to know will be in part 2. I'm also pretty sure that they will save the dragon for part 2 as well, their whole journey from heading to Gringotts, escaping and making their way to Hogwarts and then all that ensues with the battle etc. will make for a very exciting second film.
Personally I think that Malfoy Manor just as they escape could be an ideal place to end, or maybe even just going back a little before that, how about the escape from Xenophilius' house when the snatchers arrive?
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 11:21:03
I think that part 1 will end when the trio is captured by the snatchers. Then they'll disaperate and the movie will end.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 11:23:27
@Hermy-own : I don't think they will end the split when Hedwig dies! That would be ludicrous, it's so early in the book!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 11:46:35
Like I already said, hearing David use the words "emotional" and "complete" makes me seriously consider that the split will be Dobbies death or soon after. Yes, splitting the movie when Ron returns would be very emotional, but look how much "stuff" they would have to put in part 2... that doesn't seem very logical to me, considering that the Battle of Hogwarts is supposed to take up quite a bit of time already. Then they would have to add the Snatchers AND the Malfoy Manor scenes into part 2. Ending part 1 when the trio is caught by the Snatchers would also be emotional, but it would definitely be a cliff hanger... which is basically the opposite of "complete". In my opinion, the facts add up to Dobbies death being the split point, where the other options don't really add up.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 12:45:54
i think it should be split somewhere around ron leaving and the silver doe... but then again its just so hard to tell... i can't wait =))
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 13:54:04
hm, @Lisa Flemming and ne one else who thinks that 'adding a scene' will be a good thing is deluded, david yates has proven that he can't do it, his directing abilities are so fail
did ne1 note that harry send he sends hedwig away..we all kno whats supposed to happen i just hope that was something else
changes....changes....changes
2 movies is supposed to mean including all those details not being stupid about it, i hate david yates
at least this is good prep for the crap that is about to come
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 14:43:09
I'm really hoping they don't chop it when Ron leaves. That would mean a pretty boring first part of the film. The only action would be when they leave the Dursely's, and after the wedding and the ministry. That's it. And then everything else in the next half? I don't like that at all. I think they should definitely split it as they get captured by the snatchers where Harry says "Voldemort". Though I'm not a fan of cliffhangers, I feel that this is more toward the middle of the book and would give an essence of excitement for the fans and a (fairly) even amount of action on both parts of the films (even though I think the second part will have more)... Anyways, that's my take, lol.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 15:30:53
@Sasha and others.. you can't just blame David Yates for added scenes. He's the director, he directs the script that he's given. Steve Kloves is the one who takes the book and adapts it into a screenplay, deciding what goes in, what goes out, what new things come in. If you don't like new scenes don't shout at David Yates. I hate it when people judge things before they've seen them. At the end of the day, no one has a clue how the film will turn out at the moment. It's impossible to decipher 2 second clips from teaser trailers and small contradictory snippets of information from the cast and crew. So please stop complaining prematurely and just enjoy what's left of HP.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 17:11:30
the last added scene was a waste of time, and included possibly the most awkward moment EVER between dan and bonnie. maybe this attempt at an added scene won't suck quite so badly, but i'm not optimistic.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 18:16:34
I thought Shell cottage but after seeing the new trailer that included the dragon I've changed to that being the split. They just get off the dragon and Harry realizes Voldemort is checking for the Horcruxes and they probably would show that and his rage so it leaves us hanging knowing they are rushing to Hogwarts for a confrontation. I can handle that cliffhanger...as if I need one to see the last movie. Plus the remaining 1/4 of the book certainly would fill an entire movie no problem and it would be an easy starting point for the last movie.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 18:23:42
I think they might cut it off when Ron leaves,(emphasis on Might) but now that I think about it, that happends about 2/5 of the way through the book. Honestly,that just leaves too much for part two. I think part two will mainly be the battle, maybe the Gringotts escape will be in there,but I'm not sure.
As for the "extra scene" I think that has something to do with Ron's leaving. Whatever happens, I'll probably be happy, the teaser trailers make me so much more excited than I was for HBP.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 18:38:18
i am excited but i really hope they don't decide to end the first half when ron and harry get into a fight, because for those watching the movie who didn't actually read the book, it will look like ron is a bad guy- and we don't want people thinking Ron's evil. Plus, he leaves earlier in the trio's mission, so it wouldn't make sense to make that scene so late in the movie.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 18:41:27
Many of you bring up very valid points I hadn't thought about it. It's true, thinking about it now, that ending it with Dobby would be somewhat anti-climactic because, unless they make up for his absence in the previous films, it is likely we will not have the same sympathies toward him as we would have had if the filmmakers had decided to show Hermione's endeavors with S.P.E.W. The ending will probably have nothing to do with Dobby. They could not effectively end the film by showing Dobby dying and then leaving his funeral for the next film, because no one will care by then. By then, Dobby would have become irrelevant. What they need to do is split it right before Malfoy Manor, that way, when they show the scene at the manor, they show it in its entirety with Dobby present for his injury and for his death. All of that should happen in one film and not be split. I know fans won't care as long as they do the movie justice, but the filmmakers have to think of those thousands or millions of viewers who have not read the books and just catch on with the flicks. So, in my opinion, they will show the trio escaping the snatchers as we've seen in the previews, we'll probably see them held captive, and it might just end with a conversation held by the trio as they're tied together and being taken to Malfoy Manor. If not, then the finale for Part 1 will happen shortly after Ron's return (which will bring a resolution to one conflict) and slightly before the Snatchers get to them. I guess we'll have to see.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 18:48:50
Also, I will say that this book was definitely meant to be split into two films, because J.K. Rowling wrote the novel perfectly so that it could make two separate films. In the first part of DH 1, the Deathly Hallows are referenced and described by Xenophilius Lovegood in great detail. That provides the rising action for the main conflict in the film. Of course, since DH part 1 is a different film, audiences will need a refresher course, and that comes in the form of Ollivander. So, all in all, these films will not be like the past three films; it'll actually live up to its title. We're going to be constantly reminded about the Deathly Hallows, and it'll be a consistent conflict throughout the films. It'll be unlike OOtp or HBP where both the Order and the Half-Blood Prince were not effectively setup throughout the film's narrative. Regardless, they're still incredible films. I'm excited
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-12 19:23:44
I like everyones ideas on where the split will take place, but my favorite is the trio getting caught by snatchers. I also think ending after the silver doe scene would be awesome. The only ending i am hesitant on is the one regarding dobbys death. I have to agree that non book readers will not understand the emotion regarding the elf. Most will probably not even be able to recall that dobby ever appeared in the films. Also if they ended it here, I dont believe there would be enough story for an entire second movie. As for the added scene, I think a scene between Ron and his brothers would be great! Anyway just my opinion. I'm sure the movie will be awesome no matter where it splits!
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-13 02:07:19
What about when Harry finds the sword in the pond? Like when he's following the Patronus? Or is that too early in the book? I haven't read it in a while. :3 I should probably reread it before the movie comes out.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-13 02:08:07
and woah, since when do they post my full name. o.0 I thought they only post the username?
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-13 12:25:18
I would love if the split were right after Dobby dies, Harry speaks to Ollivander and Griphook, and he has the vision of Voldemort getting the wand from Dumbledore's tomb.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-13 13:34:41
I guess the bottom line is that we should basically know when the split is by what scenes are in the trailer coming out in a couple of weeks.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-13 21:39:57
i think the split is going to be after dobby dies.but then again thats a little late in the book,so maybe it's after the scene at godric hollow.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-13 23:48:41
I think that the split will be after the added scene which i think will be around the capture of the trio. I also think they changed how they get caught. In the preview they are running through the forest and thats not in the book. mabye thats the added scene. who knows.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-14 22:27:05
@Tomj
Ok Maybe I'm being a kill joy here, so I will try to cut down the negativity (TRY) this only a way of protecting myself from being as disappointed as I was when I went to the cinema to watch HBP, I was completely stunned that it was the movie
and from the articles I've been reading, the impression I got was that David Yates has input regarding scenes and putting it all together, there was an article a few months back on this site which spoke about changing how lucius malfoy completes the movie and the actor was discussing it with yates and other david...so it sounds like there is power
as for that pathetic almost-never-was kiss bn harry and ginny - that was definitely yates directing that and was lame beyond words
so yea I'm still not optimistic but I will have my money saved to see these things in box seats
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-15 16:40:33
I recently watched all the Back to the Future movies, and I was remembering how some people were wondering about if there would be a cliffhanger at the end of DH part 1. I noticed how Back the the Future and Back the the Future II both have pretty big cliffhangers (at the end of the first one, Doc tells Marty and Jennifer that there's something wrong with their future, and it ends right before they go back in time, and in the second one, it ends with Doc being struck by lightning and transported to the Old West. I can't remember if Marty knows where he went, they sort of all mash together in my mind). I don't know how far apart the Back to the Future movies came out, but I think the cliffhanger makes you want to see the next movie, especially because you feel like it's all the same story, which is how I think the two DH movies should be.
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-06-28 09:38:33
Like others, I believe it will be split after dobby's burial..
and all others have been said here probably become the added scene^^
and yess it should be incredibly dramatic i want feel the emotion,
I just wait until the film comes out..
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Posted by: - Posted on: 2010-08-10 13:29:32
This is what I know: Joshua Herdmen, the actor for Goyle, had stated that the split was the Snatcher scene. However, if they have changed that, I have ideas that it might be after Dobby dies. Also, as to the added scenes, they are the Harry/Hermione dance scene and the scene where Harry and Hermione come across an old campsite that has been destroyed.
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