MuggleCast 104 Transcript (continued)
Andrew: What's your name and where you're from?
Jackie: I'm Jackie and I'm from Birmingham, MI.
Jackie: Those are my friends. Ok, Mikey had said that Hermione was way to logical when they were talking about the Deathly Hallows and I don't think that's true because if you look Xenophilius Lovegood, he's completely insane.
Jackie: He wears a hat, and he's cross-eyed...
Jackie: And the book is from, I don't know, The Babbity Rabbit - I don't know what it's called anymore, but there children stories, she's right. I think if I was in that situation, I would agree with...
Mikey: Well, my one argument to that is, Dumbledore gave her that book, and Dumbledore is a pretty smart guy.
Emerson: That's why I think that actually, Hermione was being illogical for once because she was ignoring the evidence the fact that the Invisibility Cloak existed, that's already evidence of atleast one of the Deathly Hallows and then Harry thinks he figures out where the stone is, and then Voldemort is obviously looking for the wand, and Voldemort's pretty smart, so, all those pieces fallen together should indicate that maybe it's more than just a story.
Mikey: I agree with, Emerson.
Emerson: See? Things are turning around between us.
Mikey: High five! Yeah!
Mikey: We're friends again!
Andrew: I wonder why, Mr. Lovegood - I don't know how to pronounce his first name, so...
[Audience says, "Xenophilius"]
Andrew: I wonder why he trusted the Deathly Hallows so much. Like, that story. Why was he part of this group of people who were dedicated to searching for it?
Jamie: No, what it reminds me...
Andrew: Why does he need it?
Andrew: Why does he care?
Jamie: What other quest does it remind you of? Like the search of three other things like that?
Emerson: Like the Holy Grail?
Jamie: Yeah, that's exactly what I got reminded of. I got reminded of The DaVinci Code, Dan Brown? If anyone's read it, and like, searching for a group of people coming together, mostly in secret because no one else knows really to search for them. That was interesting.
Andrew: Yeah. Good point. This girl, Jamie.
Amanda: I just wanted to see what you guys thought...
Andrew: What's your name and...?
Amanda: Amanda Batten, and I'm from Toledo, Ohio.
Andrew: Woohoo! Toledo!
Amanda: Well, my brother's favorite character is Dobby and so when he was reading the book, he was like, "Oh my God, the worse thing just happened!" And I was freaking out.
Amanda: And then I read it and saw that he died, and me and my sister were reading it 'What Will Happen In the Seventh Book?' and said 'Dobby 100 to 1 that he wasn't going to die.
[Andrew and everyone laugh]
Amanda: So, I want to know what you thought about that.
Andrew: We can't be perfect...
Ben: Ummm, we did not sign off on that. It was a misprint.
Emerson: Frankly, I'm glad...
Ben: Future editions of the book will be changed to reflect the true odds that we intended.
Emerson: 1/100. Frankly, I'm kind of glad we didn't predict Dobby's death. I would feel like a slimy person if I predicted that death.
Emerson: Same with Hedwig. How do you predict the death of an owl?
[Audeince says "Awww"]
Jamie: You don't.
Mikey: Was everyone sad when Hedwig and Dobby died?
Andrew: Yeah, that...
Mikey: That was one very sad deaths.
Andrew: Dobby was one of the saddest...
Ben: or Hedwig? How is Hedwig sad?
Mikey: Hedwig has been with him...
Ben: So? I mean...
Mikey: ...all these years.
Ben: I didn't feel any emotional attachment to her. I just thought it...
[Murmuring from everyone]
Andrew: No one had any emotional attachment to Hedwig. Except for Harry.
Jamie: it was just one of those things.
Andrew: But seriously, it just came so fast. It was a surprise. Did anyone else here find it emotional? Emo?
Ben: Did you cry, Andrew?
Andrew: No, I didn't. I did feel for Dobby, though because of the way that JK Rowling described it. "Harry picked up his little body and carried it over," it was very sad.
Ben: I just didn't expect him to die at Bellatrix stabbing him. That was kind of weird, but..
Andrew: That would have been, like what? 10,000 to 1 odds?
Mikey: Except I predicted it.
Question: The Love Room and House-Elves
Andrew: Hi, what's your name and where are you from?
Jillian: Jillian and I'm from Canton, MI. Not Ohio. No, I'm good. This is far enough for me to travel. I have two things to say, though. 1 about the veil, or about the locked room. They explained in the fifth book in that room was pure love, and I think bringing that into the story later would have made it really corny and hoaky and really would have taken away from Harry Potter in general.
Jamie: Why did she mention is, though? Because she made a big deal out of all of it.
Jillian: She mentioned it because Dumbledore was talking to Harry about it - about how fought off Voldemort in the book because he loved Sirius and he was full of so much love, an that was what it was brought up to when they were talking about Sirius' death. And I think the only reason we ever saw the door was as a setup for that scene with Harry and Dumbledore. And then as far as the House-Elves go using the knives and spatulas and that stuff, they were all essentially enslaved I guess. They worked for Hogwarts, and so they could only be -They could only use magic when they were given permission to when the Headmaster was Snape and Snape was already dead by then.
Jillian: Dobby only used magic on another wizard because that was illegal, after he was freed in Chamber of Secrets and that was only to protect Harry.
Jamie: And also they've just come from the kitchen and if you can't find knives and forks there, what can you find?
[Rustling with the microphone]
Andrew: Thank you.
Question: Hermione's Story
Danielle: Alright, I'm Danielle Meiro from Saint la Shores, Michigan.
[Little cheers from audience]
Danielle: I just wanted to go back to Hermione because I think her story had its own theme to it entirely. At first when you see her, she's smart and she's clever and she always follows the rules, and as the books go along she keeps breaking more rules and more rules and getting used to it. And I think it really teaches people civil disobedience and how it's not always right to go along with what everyone else is saying. it's not always the right thing to be doing.
Emerson: They are more like guidelines anyway.
Andrew: Here, this guy right here. This guy has been waiting. Right here. What's your name? Where are you from?
Question: Snape and The Headmaster's Office
Les: My name is Les. I'm from Farmington, Michigan. Not too far from here.
Les: How, in Snape's memory, when he's talking to Dumbledore from behind his desk and he's talking about giving the sword to Harry and how he's going to tell the Death Eaters the real date. How is he talking to Dumbledore when he's not the Headmaster yet? He doesn't become Headmaster until the Ministry falls and that doesn't happen until after the wedding.
Jamie: Perhaps Dumbledore put enchantments on the thing so Snape could get in. Didn't we talk the other day about...
Andrew: We didn't reread that chapter. Was that after...
Mikey: That was during "The Prince's Tale," correct?
Les: It was his whole memory situation, and it was essentially how the whole situation with him and Dumbledore get set up. Dumbledore uses Snape to plant everything...
Jamie: Well, Andrew... Andrew, didn't we discuss, I think it was yesterday, that the office opens in terms of worthiness and not on whether you're the Headmaster. So even though Umbridge was the Headmistress at the time of Book 5, it wouldn't open for her, first of all, because it doesn't think she's worthy, whereas I think Snape would have been a very, very worthy person to get in.
Andrew: Yeah, we did talk about that.
Mikey: My only thing I can think of is, possibly, that because it is summer, there's no students in the castle, and I'm sure the protections would be to keep the bad people, Death Eaters out, but since Snape is supposed to be able to get in, Dumbledore would have made assurances for that. He probably could have gotten into the Headmaster's office.
Jamie: He needed to get into the Headmaster's office then, as well.
Mikey: He needed to be able to get in, as well, and be able to talk to Dumbledore.
Les: So he snuck in before he was Headmaster.
Mikey: Yeah, he probably snuck in because, again, there's probably nobody there other than maybe Filch and Mrs. Norris, or something like that. And I am sure that Snape could have probably avoided them.
Tangent: Harry is a Horcrux
Emerson: And for a completely unrelated tangent here, I just want to, just real quick. Ben and I, we spent the entire summer take - every book, we went to over 35 cities and every city we went to we spent usually a good half hour just defending a certain theory that was not popular, and...
Emerson: ...I just want to take a moment real quick to toot our own horn: Harry is a Horcrux. And...
Ben: We called it. We called it.
Mikey: Give it up for Ben Schoen and Emerson Spartz. They know what's up.
Ben: And Jamie Lawrence, who also wrote the book.
Mikey: And Jamie Lawrence too, I forgot. Sorry, Jamie. Sorry, Jamie, you're always right to me.
Emerson: But it's just extremely - I - we just feel extremely vindicated now because everybody hated us for liking that theory and we got so much pressure to, like, to give in, right, Ben?
Ben: Mhm. Thank god, we held firm. We held firm.
Andrew: We still haven't released the Los Angeles Leaky Mug because there was a big debate there.
Ben: Oooh, between...
Andrew: And we should still release it, just to...
Emerson: It was basically - I had it out with John and Melissa over the Horcrux theory. It was pretty, pretty intense.
Andrew: And Melissa was paging through the book the entire time trying to prove them wrong.
Ben: And then a few days later we get this e-mail from Melissa saying, "Oh, I have it now. There's no way you can get your way out of this one." She gave us like this big explanation for why Harry couldn't be a Horcrux, how it was absolutely impossible for him to be a Horcrux.
Ben: And then she went to PotterCast.com and made the same post, and yeah.
[Andrew and audience laughs]
Mikey: Dumbledore says, "Harry is a Horcrux."
Ben: "Harry, you are the seventh Horcrux."
Andrew: I got so excited when...
Andrew: ...I read that line. Yeah.
Emerson: That was like Ben's reaction, he's just like, "AAAHHH!"
Ben: I just went nuts.
Jamie: Okay, next question.
Question: House Ghosts
Steven: Okay, I'm Steven, I'm 13, and I'm from Grosse Pointe Woods, Michigan.
Mikey: Wooo! Pickle Pack member, too.
Steven: And I was wondering about the House Ghosts. We learn a lot about them at the end of the seventh book because we learn that the Grey Lady from Ravenclaw was the daughter of Rowena Ravenclaw. And she was killed by the Bloody Baron. And I was just wondering, like the other two ghosts, the Fat Friar and Nearly Headless Nick, if they have some relation to Hogwarts, like some event in their life happened there that made them the ghost of Hogwarts. So, I was wondering if we might find out about that when she writes the Encyclopedia. So...
[Someone in the audience speaks]
Andrew: Not if, she said she would. She said she was going to.
Jamie: That is the kind of thing she would write about, the Hogwarts' ghosts.
Andrew: We don't know when, it might be a while.
Jamie: That is the kind of thing she'd write about, Hogwarts' ghosts and their background. Because she said she's going give background on a lot of characters, Dean Thomas, specifically.
Jamie: So, there's going to be a lot of information in there.
Emerson: And she did mention that right now she's writing two different things. One of which is for kids and the other isn't. So I think she may be working on the Encyclopedia as the one for kids, or it maybe even something else.
Jamie: Yeah, probably.
Emerson: And the one for adults would be some kind of - like I really think she's going to write fiction, and it could be crime fiction or mystery. She obviously loves mysteries, so...we'll see.
Andrew: Well, she's been working on a children's book. A short one, a very short one, but no word about that yet, like what exactly it's about. So, let's go here and then you can come up. Hi!
Question: Ron's Character
Carla: Hello, my name is Carla Cost and I'm with the Central Michigan University Chapter of Dumbledore's Army.
Carla: That's right, we're cool. And the thing that I really wanted to point out is, we were talking about how Hermione had changed so much as a character, but I think we kind of neglected Ron a little bit, and the reason I bring that up, especially between Harry and Ron - their relationship - is the part where Ron sort of comes back and admits that he was wrong. And I just think that that is such a departure from the fourth book when he couldn't even apologize for not believing in Harry and sort of not talking to him for half the year.
Emerson: But he did eventually, though.
Carla: Not really.
Emerson: Well, like...
Mikey: That's how guysa pologize.
Ben: He didn't apologize, but he came back...
Carla: Not in the same way.
Jamie: That is how guys apologize.
Mikey: That's how - come on, me and Emerson just made up in front of all you guys. That's how we do that.
Emerson: See, we were feuding.
[All talking at once]
Carla: But that was a Book 7, sort of, apology. There was a hug.
Mikey: That's tomorrow's talk.
Emerson: That was also the feud, you know?
Mikey: On, Ron.
Emerson: ...the fight in Book 7, it was a much bigger fight than the one in Book 4, I thought, because the circumstances were so much different, but I do agree. Ron has matured, somewhat.
Carla: I mean he's still the same Ron, but I think that he's come a long way, since...
Emerson: He has, yeah.
Ben: But now he's read a book on how to charm a witch. Or whatever it was.
Emerson: Thus doubling his knowledge of the subject, probably.
Mikey: Is Harry considered a witch? Did he charm Harry?
Emerson: He may have used some of the techniques, Mikey.
Mikey: I don't know, we have to read more into it.
Jamie: Okay, we should stop this conversation right now.
Mikey: [laughs] Let's stop.
Jamie: I can't hear any more from this.
Andrew: Thank you. This woman right here.
Question: Quirrell and Horcruxes
Kelly: Hi, my name's Kelly, I'm from Converse Township, and I want to talk to you guys about Professor Quirrell a little but. Now that we know all of the Horcruxes and how they were determined and found out and destroyed, what do you guys think about, or I guess what's the common theory about what Quirrell was, as far as had he stumbled upon a Horcrux? Had he - how did Voldemort posses him and does it have anything to do with the Horcruxes?
Ben: I think, okay, to me a Horcrux - the Horcruxes themselves, the night that Voldemort was killed it wasn't like Pettigrew or someone had to go activate a Horcrux so that piece of soul could be floating around or whatever, he was just that, "Vapormort,' as I like to call it.
Ben: He was just that apparition of his former self, you know, it was that soul or whatever you want to call it, floating around, and as long as the Horcruxes remained on the earth that airy soul, or whatever, can remain also.
Kelly: And so that's what...
Ben: And so that's what possessed Quirrell. Quirrell didn't find a Horcrux.
Jamie: Yeah, but I think it was like a voluntary possession from Quirrell. I don't think Voldemort took over him, I think there was like a talk and he persuaded him and he manipulated him to his will.
Jamie: And that's why he was on the back of his head for an entire book.
Jamie: That must be weird.
Mikey: Can you imagine walking backwards to see? It's like...
Emerson: Can you imagine showering?
Jamie: That must have been tough. They must have practiced that a bit.
Mikey: Oh, that would have been weird. It's like, "Don't get the soap in my eye."
Emerson: No privacy there.
Jamie: Yeah, and when he sits down on the toilet Voldemort just has to...
Mikey: Yeah, every time.
Jamie: ...face a wall for like...
Jamie: ...fifteen minutes.
Andrew: All right. Another question?
Jamie: That can't be fun. Next one?
Question: The Snitch - A Tribute to Past Books
Robin: I'm Robin Cohen and I'm from Lavonia, Michigan.
[Audience claps and cheers]
Robin: And so when I was reading the first one I always thought it was like kind of corny how Harry caught the Snitch in his mouth, and that was like he swallowed it, I couldn't really see that, but I thought it was pretty cool how it - I never thought it would tie back into the seventh book where it would've - it helped him so much, because when he was trying to like see if it would open and it touched his hand and, you know, if he would have just caught it then it would've opened and they would have saw that the stone was in it, but he did the mouth thing and I thought that was pretty cool.
Andrew: Yeah, in this book there's a lot of things that you see coming back. I think it was just Jo's way of paying tribute to everything in the past six books. Take, for example, Oliver Wood making the random appearance in the book.
Andrew: Mikey commented the other day that he's definitely going to be one of the things cut from the actual movie.
Mikey: Yeah, sorry, Wood.
Jamie: I don't know, Mikey, he's pretty central.
Ben: There's still - there's probably still that petition out there, I don't know if you guys remember that.
Jamie: Yeah, "Bring Oliver Wood Back."
Other Things That Returned
Andrew: Yeah. I'm trying to - what other little things were in the book? I just remember reading throughout the entire book a lot of little things that reflect...
[Audience members yell]
Andrew: Norbert, yeah. Ummm, what's that?
[Audience member says, "Norberta"]
Andrew: Norberta, ahh good point! Good point!
Mikey: Oh yeah.
Jamie: Percy Weasley coming back was good, as well.
Andrew: Percy Weasley coming back was good.
Ben: I was hoping we'd see the Mirror of Erised. I was hoping...
Ben: ...that was going to be one of the Horcruxes. Like the Ravenclaw one or something.
[Audience member says, "The Chamber of Secrets"]
Andrew: The Chamber of Secrets coming back, yeah, that was another thing. Ron suddenly learning Parselmouth.
Ben: No, it's because he had the diary, dude. Not the diary but the locket.
Andrew: The Horcrux around his - yeah.
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