MuggleCast 105 Transcript (continued)
Give Ron Even More Credit
Audience Member: Hi, I'm Becca from Sto. I'm fifteen, and I'd have to say that Ron is my favorite character, and he's always been my favorite character because he's normal, but he has to - he is able to put up with his best friend, famous Harry Potter. And even though he's belittled by every one of his friends, he stays loyal to them. And he went back to his friends, and I think that shows him being more mature. And also, he grew a lot because he almost lost both of his friends throughout this book.
Mikey: I think in Book 7...
Ben: In the words of Dumbledore...
Ben: .... [as Dumbledore] "It is our choices, Harry,
far more than our abilities that determine what we truly are."
Ben: The fact that Ron made the decision to come back is a great choice.
Mikey: That's a good one, Ben. I was waiting for that one. But, I was going to say, it definitely showed Ron growing up a lot in Book 7. You know, he got a book - he gave Harry a book, How To Charm a Witch. And we saw him do that with Hermione quite a bit, you know. There's a line in there that I started laughing at where Harry's like, "You're just choosing her side so you can get on her good side." And he's like, "Yeah, so?"
Mikey: It was like, "Come on, really!"
Jamie: Harry should know that by now.
Ben: Speaking of Weasley - we have a Weasley here.
Andrew: What's your name? Yeah - a Weasley. What's your name? Where are you from?
Fred and George
Audience Member 1: Hi, I'm Jimmy from Ottery St. Catchpole.
Audience Member 2: Yeah! [laughs] I'm Angie. And I'm from Kent. And I'd like to say, who needs maturity? Fred and George all the way!
Mikey: Don't you mean George?
Jamie: Yeah, just George now.
Ben: Can I just point out one of them died. Just so you know.
Audience Member 2: I know. I do. And - and it's sad.
Jamie: I know what you mean, though. It's like common sense doesn't come from - well, it doesn't only come from maturity. You know.
Jamie: Actually, I think it does.
[Jamie and Mikey laugh]
Emerson: I don't actually think - even though Fred and George have a great sense of humor and it can seem immature at times - I don't think they're actually immature.
Jamie: I agree. They're so clever, as well.
Ben: I agree.
Emerson: There's different types of maturity.
Ben: They're too smart.
Mikey: I'll disagree. They're goofy. "U-No-Poo?" Really?
Emerson: Yes, they're businessmen!
Emerson: They have acute skills.
Ben: Really, Mikey, yes, really.
Emerson: If they give it a clever, catchy name like that they're good marketers.
Mikey: That's a marketing skill.
Emerson: They make more money which they can use to support their family. Thus they are mature.
Mikey: Okay. Okay.
Ben: You don't see them making any poor decisions, really. I mean, really?
Mikey: [laughs] Really?
Emerson: Really, Mikey, really?
Andrew: Okay, concerning Ron, J.K. Rowling said that...
[Audience Member yells something]
Andrew: Oh geez, oh no.
Andrew: J.K Rowling said one of her - the funniest moment she's written in the series is the one where Ron says, "Really captures the scope and tragedy of the thing, doesn't it?" And, okay, I'm sorry, which book was that from?
Audience Member: Deathly Hallows.
Andrew: Oh, was it? Okay. My bad. I just read it.
Mikey: Read the books, Andrew Sims. Read the books.
Andrew: I was thinking it was a book way back and I was trying to think of one of the first six. But anyway. The Pickle Pack vultures are these girls in Pickle Pack who - who attack us whenever we're not on time with something. But here, come on up.
Jamie: Which is happening quite regularly now.
Andrew: Don't get near me.
Audience Member: I love you guys!
Andrew: I'm just kidding.
Ron and the Mirror of Erised
Audience Member: I'm Joy. I'm sixteen from Cleveland, and I just have to - I just have to wonder if - what would Ron see in the Mirror of Erised if he looked at it now that the battle's over and he's lost his brother? And would his desires change?
Andrew: I think it would be his whole family together again.
Mikey: I think it would be his whole family, yeah.
Mikey: Including Hermione.
Jamie: Yeah, including Hermione.
Ben: I don't know, though.
Jamie: And Hugo!
Mikey: And Rose.
Jamie: And Rose.
Mikey: Hugo and Rose. Ah.
Ben: Because his family wasn't really that ripped apart. I mean, they lost Fred...
Mikey: An ear.
Ben: They lost Fred...
Mikey: And an ear.
Ben: ...but they regained Percy though...
Mikey: Yeah. But they also lost an ear.
Ben: ...because Percy might as well have been dead. Who?
Mikey: They lost an ear.
Emerson: But also Ron didn't care.
Emerson: I mean, even though Ron obviously loved Percy, as you can only love your brother, he was obviously more attached to Fred, as he'd been living with him for a
lot longer. Percy left when he was fairly young. So I think - I think he would actually see his family back together again. And I do think Hermione would be there too; Harry and Hermione.
Mikey: I agree.
Andrew: Yeah. Okay.
Jamie: Next question?
Ron Coming to Terms with Harry's Fame
Audience Member: My name's Andrea and I'm from Columbus. And back to Ron growing up in the seventh book...
Audience Member: Hi! Back to Ron growing up in the seventh book, I think one of the biggest ways he did that is that in the beginning he was always really jealous of Harry and him being famous and everything. But in the seventh book he sort of grows to accept that; he even makes jokes about it in the end - in the epilogue where all the kids on the train are staring back and he's like, "Oh, it's just me. I'm extremely famous." So I think he really comes to terms with Harry being famous and just being out of the limelight so long.
Audience Member: And that he gets his own, basically, [unintelligible].
Ben: What I think happens is, eventually you just come to accept what your role is. And Harry's the Michael Jordan and Ron's like the guy on the bench eating a hot dog.
Emerson: Not even Scotty Pippin, Ben?
Ben: Not even Scotty Pippin.
Mikey: Wow. What about Luke Longly?
Ben: Hermione's Scotty Pippin.
Ben: You kids - did anyone else actually follow basketball in the '90s besides me and Emerson?
Mikey: Can you imagine Scotty Pippin with long, bushy hair? Anyone? No? It would be amazing.
Andrew: Yeah. Okay. Well, it's about Ron. Well, just hold on. We'll take random questions in a minute. That are on topic, of course.
Hermione Has it Worse
Audience Member: Okay. Hi, I'm Erin from Hudson. Okay, back to Ron being a little bit immature. I think it was a lot harder on Hermione because since had to leave her parents and they had to forget her. And I think that would be a lot more difficult on her, and I'm surprised she didn't throw that in his face. Like, "I have to deal with that compared to you."
Andrew: I don't know - did it really seem like it bothered Hermione at all, that she sent her parents to Australia.
Jamie: I wonder if she's going to tell her parents ever that she...
Andrew: Well, actually in the web-chat...
Ben: Did what bother Hermione, exactly?
Jamie: That she put a charm on her parents, sent them to Australia, and told them that they didn't have a daughter, which would get under some people's skins, definitely.
Andrew: Yeah, but it doesn't...
Ben: I think you just get to the point where you know what the mission is, and that you have to do whatever it takes.
Andrew: Yeah. And Jo said in the web-chat today, that right after this whole thing ended, she went straight back to Australia and got her parents.
Emerson: I think that's just a sign of extreme maturity. In order to be able to do that you really have to be able to put other people in front of yourself and your wishes or desires.
Jamie: Yeah, you do.
Mikey: I kind of don't think she really minded too much, considering we know she's kind of kept a lot from her parents in the sense of Voldemort coming back and a lot of bad stuff happening in the Wizarding World. And what she gets into with Ron and Harry.
Ben: At the end of the year, though, like coming home from school year. Just being like, "So what went on this year?" [laughs] "You have no idea."
Andrew: See, that would be a corny line they'd put in the movie at the very end.
Jamie: That's the end of it, Ben. There's like a flash screen at the end.
Ben: You heard it here first, folks.
Andrew: "MuggleNet.com's What Will Happen in Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows Films.
Andrew: There you go, Emerson.
Mikey: There you go.
Ben: You're a machine.
Andrew: [laughs] He's thinking now.
Mikey: This has to come out after The Life and Lies of Mikey Bouchereau.
Jamie: Yeah, yeah.
Jamie: That's going to be a best-seller, that one.
Mikey: It's going to be.
Emerson: It's going triple platinum.
Mikey: Books go platinum?
Emerson: Yeah, they do. Or they could.
Mikey: That would be an album of...
Andrew: Every single Wizard Rock career?
Mikey: Maybe. Every single Wizard Rock career.
Jamie: Mikey, the audiobook would go triple platinum.
Mikey: The audiobook read by...
Emerson: Read by Stephen Fry.
Mikey: Yeah, Stephen Fry. And Jim Dale. Combined. Anyway, back to Ron Weasley.
Ben: Actually, I want to do Mikey's voice on the audiobook.
Andrew: You both come up.
Mikey: Uh-oh. They have to do this together.
Andrew: Oh, geez.
Mikey: I'm scared.
Andrew: This is going to be a well rehearsed question.
Mikey: It's going to stump us.
Andrew: Or complain about us. Okay. Nice shirt.
The Importance of Ron Coming Back
Audience Member 1: Okay. I'm Sarah and this is my twin sister, Bethany.
Audience Member 2: We're actually from a family of seven kids and we fall in the same place where Fred and George do.
Audience Member 1: There are six girls in the family and one boy. It's really weird. But anyway, like coming from a family as big as ours and the inverse of the Weasleys, it's very easy to understand where Ron's coming from. He's constantly being outshone by his brothers, and when
you're in a big family you really have to strive to find your own place where you fit in in the family. And Fred and George had their thing, and Percy had his weird thing where he kind of disappeared...
Audience Member 2: He was power-hungry.
Audience Member 1: Yeah. And, you know, Bill and George were like the cool older brothers, and Ginny was the only girl; she automatically had her place. And then Harry comes to school, and he becomes friends with Harry Potter, and he's being outshone again, and he's kind of like chilling there, like, "What's going on?" [laughs]
Audience Member 2: And just - I think it said a lot, really, when Ron turned around and came back. You know, it's twice as hard to come back than it is to stick with it. And I think it really does, Sarah's right, it shows something about his heart. He knows what it's like to be loyal to his family, like he's stuck with it, and he's going to stick with - he's stuck with Harry and Hermione until the end.
Andrew: Careful. You're right in front of the speaker.
Emerson: That was well said.
Andrew: That was very well said.
Mikey: And it only took a few chapters for him to come back, unlike Percy, where it took him like two books.
Mikey: So I think it shows a lot about Ron's character, where it's like forty pages versus like two whole novels.
Mikey: Like at the very end of the last one.
Ben: That was kind of weird, though, wasn't it? How like Percy shows up out of nowhere. He's like, "Guys! I'm back on your side now!"
Mikey: "I'm sorry, I know..."
Andrew: At least that was explained. Percy said like, "I've been giving it a lot of thought, but I couldn't really say anything in the Ministry, otherwise they would have killed me." Stuff like that.
Jamie: Yeah, but you'd think they'd check him for Imperious Curses and Polyjuice Potion and not just accept it that it was him.
Jamie: That was stupid.
Andrew: ...because I sort of thought he might have been two-faced, he might have been trying to work for the Ministry still.
Emerson: And kill Harry.
Andrew: And I didn't trust him, personally.
Jamie: I didn't trust him, either.
Andrew: Was anyone like, "Oh, wow, Percy's back. Thank God."
Andrew: Were you? Or do you have a question? Okay.
Mikey: Come on up.
Andrew: I just can't - are you giving away that Dobby? Because we'll just take it.
Andrew: We'll glue it to the top of the car.
Jamie: That is the best idea I've ever heard.
Mikey: [imitating Dobby] Dobby's free!
Andrew: Where can you buy those? Weren't those for sale?
Audience Member: No, we got this free.
Audience Member: At Wal-Mart.
Jamie: Mikey, can we stop there on the way home?
Mikey: Let's go to Wal-Mart. Let's get [unintelligible] for the cars.
Andrew: Roll-back. Oh, okay.
Jamie: We'll glue like seven to the top, so there's just a swarm of Dobbys on top of the car.
Mikey: We've got to get a wolf for Alex's car and have like this werewolf thing going around the front.
Andrew: We might have to take him out to the car just for a second. I mean, we'll bring him right back, but...
Mikey: For a picture.
Andrew: ...just for a second.
Emerson: Yeah, we'll have like fifteen straight state trooper cars like outside within like a minute.
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.
Emerson: Like child abuse.
Jamie: Yeah, because at eighteen miles an hour they could look quite real.
Ben: Okay so...
Emerson: What did you do to that poor kid's nose?
Ben: So what were we talking about again?
Mikey: We were waiting for a question for Ron Weasley.
Audience Mom Impressed With Ron
Audience Member: Hi, my name's Mary. We drove about two and a half hours to get here from Columbus. My gosh, is this countryside. A lot of people from Columbus. I just wanted to say from a mom's point of view that I always admired Ron, because he had to always over-extend himself in order to be able to do the things with Harry and work with Harry and sometimes save Harry from himself, and so I just wanted to say I think he grew a lot in that position, and I was always really impressed with him.
Mikey: I'm speechless. I don't know.
Mikey: I'm trying to think of something witty to say. I can't, I agree.
Andrew: It's very fitting, too, because a lot of people have been saying that in Order of the Phoenix, the film, he really made a turn around.
Jamie: Yeah, he did.
Andrew: It's the real Ron, so to speak. But yeah, that's a good point. Someone came up to us yesterday after the show - it was a mother - to Jamie, and Ben, and I...
Jamie: Oh yeah.
Andrew: ...and she was saying that - what was she responding to? Something about a mother's love. "Never doubt a mother's love."
Andrew: She was convinced that Mrs. Weasley had killed Bellatrix...
Jamie: Couldn't it - because we were talking...
Mikey: Because I reread that book to us, remember, like on one of the shows? In the book, when Molly goes up to Bellatrix - because she goes "Stay away from my daughter, you witch!"
Jamie: With a slight change.
Mikey: It says a curse flew at Bellatrix. It never says what curse, and I find it really hard to believe that Molly Weasley would use Avada Kedavra to kill,
even though I understand it's like a mother's protective love and all that. But one of the things that makes me really not believe it and think it's more like the Stunning Spell is because the book is from Harry's point of view and it says, "Harry knew exactly what was going to happen, just like what happened to her cousin Sirius before he fell through the Veil." Shock in the face with Bellatrix and everything. And the spell that actually hit Sirius was a Stunning Spell, and so I think Molly actually used a Stunning Spell, and it caught Bellatrix off guard, and she went down. And then she was probably rounded up afterwards and went to Azkaban like all the other Death Eaters.
Mikey: But I find it really hard to believe that Molly Weasley would use...
Jamie: We said that it's because, you know...
Mikey: ...the Killing Curse.
Jamie: ...she's so nice, she doesn't have the potential to kill. But then the lady came up and said don't ever underestimate a parent's love for their child, and
that anyone could do it.
Jamie: If put in the same situation.
Jamie: So we weren't really sure about that.
Andrew: Yeah. But the description was the same as what was described when Sirius was killed.
Mikey: Yeah, when Sirius was killed.
Andrew: Square in the chest.
Mikey: But that was a Stunning Spell, not the killing spell.
Andrew: Yeah, and now I'm all ticked off, too, because no one posed that question to Jo in the web-chat. Isn't - I don't know.
Ben: They said she had like 115,000 questions though, so...
Jamie: Yeah, so she couldn't...
Ben: They would give her a little bit of a break.
Jamie: There were two questions up there. Do you still want to...
Emerson: I think it's time we can probably start taking some general questions.
Andrew: Yeah, let's take some general questions about the book, where the fandom's going, is MuggleCast done?
Mikey: Favorite scenes, maybe.
Andrew: You can come up.
Mikey: Come on up!
Mikey: Anyone have a favorite scene they want to tell us about?
Mikey: Have us kind of discuss or something?
Andrew: Here's our first...
Mikey: Come on up! Get in line. Not too many.
Andrew: Sorry, we're like - no, you can stay here.
Mikey: Stay here.
Audience Member: All right, I'm Alex. I'm thirteen. I'm from Cleveland. Woo!
[Andrew and some audience members cheer]
Mikey: Cleveland rocks!
Audience Member: One thing that I was kind of wondering, and before Deathly Hallows this was kind of a theory between me and my friends, why the Dursleys never had any Obliviator visits. We were thinking, does that mean Petunia's a witch or something? But Jo didn't really explain that in Deathly Hallows and we were wondering what that meant.
Andrew: Has the Ministry just accepted that since Harry stays with them that...
Ben: Probably. I mean, it was probably special circumstances with Harry.
Mikey: And also, with family, Hermione's families don't get Obliviated.
Audience Member: Yeah.
Mikey: They're the family. And also, Petunia grew up with her sister as a witch and she even wanted to go to Hogwarts, we know that.
Ben: I'm sure there are exceptions to the law when it relates to Muggle-borns and Harry probably has the same.
Andrew: So, yeah, that makes sense. Good question, though.
Mrs. Weasley and Bellatrix
Audience Member: Hi, I'm Megan. I'm from Ashtabula. I was just thinking about what you were talking about with Mrs. Weasley, and when they first started dueling, wasn't there something in the book about how Harry noticed that both women were fighting to kill and that they were really going at it? It was mentioned in the book, so I was just...
Mikey: No, it was actually - I was reading the book word for word, and actually, they don't really even duel. She comes running at her and does one spell. The big duel is between the other two.
Audience Member: Because I swear it says that both women were fighting to kill right before it started.
Ben: I thought it would be that they circled each other.
Jamie: Where did you get that from?
Mikey: It's the last chapter.
Audience Member: I don't know, but...
Jamie: I'll make sure someone finds it.
Mikey: Maybe I'm totally wrong, but...
Audience Member: It was before when they first started dueling. It's not when she actually killed her or stunned her. When they first started dueling did Harry notice that...
Mikey: I think they just circle each other and they never...
[Audience members chatter]
Andrew: We have the U.K. one, unfortunately.
Andrew: Well, I mean...
Ben: They have different numbered pages.
Audience Member: Right here: "Both women were fighting to kill."
Emerson: Page 736?
Audience Member: It's right at the bottom.
Audience Member: I don't know. So that's why I thought that she was.
Mikey: Man, that sucks.
Ben: So Bellatrix is dead, then. Sorry, Mikey. You were wrong.
Andrew: That's probably - well, it doesn't clearly state that, though. So, we can't...
Jamie: Why would Bellatrix...
Mikey: But it says right there: "Molly's curse soared beneath." It doesn't say which curse she used.
Jamie: We'll make a...
Mikey: I still like to think Molly Weasley would make pancakes for everyone and not kill Bellatrix Lestrange. Because I think that's just wrong. Killing is bad.
Andrew: But if they were fighting to kill, if Jo said they were fighting to kill, I think it could be assumed that they were.
Emerson: Yeah, it does say that jets of light were flying from the wands, so they were clearly dueling.
Emerson: Honestly, when I first read it, I thought that she'd actually killed her, but when you were talking for a second, I thought maybe I misread it because I only read the book once at this point.
Andrew: Has anyone read it more than once? Someone said they read it three times already. Yeah, twice? Yeah, couple of times?
Andrew: I haven't read it at all yet. Is it good?
Emerson: We're all due for a rereading soon, but...
Andrew: I read the Spark Notes.
Andrew: I read the Spark Notes, Ben! But anyway, [laughs] next question.
Mikey: I have the audiobook. I never actually read it; I just listened.
Andrew: Okay. This girl first.
Snape's Reliable Source
Audience Member: I'm Corey from Kent, and I was just wondering who Voldemort thought Snape's source was in Chapter 1 at the Malfoys' when he's telling him the date.
Jamie: When he says he has a reliable source, yeah.
Audience Member: Yeah. And I wanted to know who that source was. Like, I don't know who it could be.
Ben: Did we get it cleared up? Wasn't it Mundungus who spilled the beans?
Jamie: But he wasn't the real source. It was the fake source who Snape was pretending to be the source just in front of Voldemort, right?
Mikey: Yeah, it was Mundungus. Because Dumbledore tells Snape to Confound Mundungus and tell him to suggest the seven Potters. And it's him that also gives him the actual proper date, and so that's how Snape tells Voldemort. Yeah, okay. Am I right, Ben Schoen?
Ben: You're right.
Mikey: Thank you. Just wanted to double check.
Andrew: Let's go right here. Do you have a favorite scene? You got a really excited one
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