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Discussion: Things We Expected to See in Book 7 But Didn't (continued)

Andrew: Ryan from Michigan says:

"We never found out what Harry's parents' professions were. I was dying to figure that out."

Jamie: Yeah, that is true.

Andrew: That is something Jo said she wanted to include. Didn't Jo say that?

Jamie: Yeah, she did. Maybe she'll tell us in the encyclopedia.

Laura: Yeah, I think she said James's wasn't important, but she made it sound like Lily's was.

Andrew: Yeah. But didn't she say she was going to mention them in - I don't know.

Jamie: Here's a very interesting e-mail from Mary from Texas, [laughs] who says that she thought for sure that Dumbledore would come back as Dumbledore the White.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Which probably would have made Tolkien...

Laura: Turn over in his grave?

Jamie: Move about in his grave, yeah. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: But...

Andrew: Another e-mail, from Veronica of Long Island, New York. She writes:

"I agree that there should have been more on the veil in Book 7. I actually thought and was almost positive that Sirius would come back because of something Luna said. The line at the end of the 'Order of the Phoenix'..."


"...Luna says something about things having a way of always coming back at the end. Also, they keep that exact line..."

Oh, she did say it in the book? My bad.

"Also, they keep that exact line in the movie, which made me wonder if Sirius would come back at the end of Book 7. Anyone else? P.S. I think Andrew deserves a ticket."

I did not read that part of the e-mail when I got this e-mail.

Jamie: Awww. A likely story.

Andrew: I think Veronica brings up a good point. A lot of people got their hopes up - especially in the movie, when they kept that line in the movie. Luna says something about things having a way of always coming back in the end. A lot of people got their hopes up about that. And with the two-way mirror, a lot of people were expecting to see Sirius again.

Jamie: Yes. That would have been very, very, very nice

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. Too many people were expecting that to happen, but...

Jamie: Well, the whole Sirius thing - it was left open about what happens when people die, and it was pretty - even though Jo said Dumbledore died, it's a magical world, and there are ways to contact people from beyond the grave. So it was very tough to know exactly what was going to happen and Jo obviously decided not to pursue it with Sirius...

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: ...and kind of with Dumbledore. So it's very...

Andrew: Critical?

Jamie: I guess if you wanted to see Sirius then you'll be disappointed. If you didn't then it wouldn't bother you at all. One e-mail, from Andy, asks why Voldemort would want to hide the cup in Bellatrix's vault, because that seems like trusting somebody else and Voldemort doesn't do much of that. And although he couldn't obviously have his own vault at Gringotts, you'd think there'd be a different place he could keep it.

Andrew: That's a pretty fair point, but I feel like we've talked about this.

Laura: Well, the thing is we know that Gringotts - everyone says that it's the next safest place to Hogwarts to keep something.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: And wasn't there something along the lines of when you touched it, it burned you and then it multiplied?

Jamie: It did. It did.

Laura: So...

Jamie: But that doesn't mean - when three seventeen-year-old wizards can do that, then it seems that it isn't really a tough curse to get around.

Laura: I guess, but I mean, I think that Bellatrix was so fanatical that there wasn't really a chance that she was going to betray him at all.

Jamie: That is true. But it just seems like trusting someone...

Laura: I mean, you notice that he didn't give Snape a Horcrux. He didn't put him in...

Jamie: Yeah, but I think he trusted Snape a lot more than Bellatrix.

Laura: I think...

Jamie: There was an affinity between them that transcended what there was between Bellatrix.

Laura: I don't know. I always kind of got the impression that Voldemort had the idea that perhaps Snape might not actually be as devoted as he thought he was. He seemed to have no remorse whatsoever in killing him. And not that he would ever have remorse, but it just seemed like it was a bit too easy for him, for somebody who he would think was a devoted follower.

Jamie: I'm not sure about that, because I always thought that that part in the book was written absolutely brilliantly because Voldemort said that he regrets it, but he shows no emotion of it. But I think he really did regret it because he didn't care about human virtues like emotions and stuff like that. He just cared about usefulness and trust and loyalty and stuff like that. So he did regret it in terms of Snape had always been a loyal servant. He had stuff to offer and he hadn't alienated Voldemort, he hadn't gone against him. So he did regret it in terms of the fact that he had to do something which didn't help him achieve his goals in other ways, but he had to do it.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Whereas he didn't regret it because he was taking another man's life.

Laura: Yeah...

Jamie: I think he and Snape had an affinity.

Laura: I guess the difference is that Bellatrix spent like thirteen years in prison for him, so there really could be no doubt there, you know? Why would somebody spend that long in prison and refuse to deny their allegiance to you if they were going to turn around and stab you in the back? So...

Jamie: No, I agree. I just - Bellatrix, I thought, was - even to Voldemort who was a complete psychopath. I don't think he would've trusted Bellatrix because she flew off the rocker too much. She was completely unpredictable whereas he told Snape that he was a very, very powerful wizard. He was obviously a logical wizard. He kept him by his side and trusted him with the most important tasks. So there was an affinity that transcended Voldemort's very primordial sort of thoughts on friendship. It was - they could help each other, it was mutually exclusive, whereas with Bellatrix it was more a "you're my servant" thing.

Laura: Okay.

Jamie: But I know what you're saying.

Laura: Yeah. I can go with that, though.

Andrew: Yeah, maybe it was just that. Maybe - like the e-mailer said, maybe it was just that nobody would've expected it to be with Bellatrix.

Jamie: I'd just have thought he'd give it to Snape a lot more - just - I don't know.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Jamie: Maybe not. Maybe not.

Andrew: Maybe just - things. Yeah. Another piece of feedback right now comes in from Jarod of Virginia Beach. He says, going back to what we were just talking about earlier:

"Sirius did come back at the end when Harry was walking to face Voldemort in the forest."

Well, he didn't really come back.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: That's another sensitive subject with Jo because she obviously points out that when people have died they have moved on, and to think they are going to come back is - it isn't very healthy for you as a person because they can't come back, and if you think they are going to come back you're going to be solely disappointed with the shadow of the former self of the person that does come back.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: So you should move on I guess is the theme she's trying to put in.

Andrew: Yeah. And we got some more feedback here. Actually this was sort of a good point brought up by listener Martin Warlick of Raleigh, North Carolina:

"Have you noticed the similarity between Dumbledore and Voldemort in that their downfalls included putting too much trust in people? At least before we found out what really happened between Dumbledore and Snape, all we were hearing was that Dumbledore died because he put too much trust in Snape. And Voldemort put too much trust in Lucius by giving him the diary, and in Bellatrix by putting the cup in her vault."

So I think ultimately, it's just even great wizards like Dumbledore and Voldemort can make mistakes.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah, but there's a huge difference between the type of trust that they did. Dumbledore's was a personality flaw, and his thoughts on human nature and how people weren't born into bad things, that sort of character, his version of trust and how he saw the best in people and therefore trusted people. Voldemort's was that he does not trust people but he felt that he had to use someone to his advantage and he just happened to use them a bit too openly. And he learned from his mistakes, whereas Dumbledore sadly didn't.

Andrew: That's fair. Another caller coming in right now, Mike.

[Prolonged silence]

Andrew: Mike, you're live. Mike, live.

Laura: Hey, Mike.

Andrew: Mike, you're live.

[Someone yells "Mike!" in the background]

Andrew: Whoa.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Oh hey. Hey, I think your mom is mad at you.

[Sounds of a microphone being moved]

Andrew: Whoa. Awkward.

Caller: Hey, what's up?

Andrew: Hey! Nothing.

Laura: Hey!

Caller's sister: Mike! [laughs]

Andrew: Whoa. Hey. Oh geez, what's going on there?

Caller: How are you guys?

Andrew: Good. How are you?

Caller: I'm doing fine. I still can't believe you guys are talking for twelve hours straight.

Andrew: I know. Hey, who's that person in the background? Tell them to shut up.

Caller: Mel, they say to shut up.

Caller's sister: Bleh!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So what's going on? What's on your mind?

Caller: Oh, I just wanted to call and see how - wow, I can't believe you guys are going for twelve hours.

Andrew: Yeah. Thanks for continuing to drill it into our heads. We don't want to be reminded really, but...

[Everyone laughs]

Caller: I have no idea how you guys are going to do it. [laughs]

Andrew: Well, thanks. You're just a ball of positive energy.

Caller: Yes, I am.

Andrew: Okay.

Caller: [in high-pitched voice] You guys are awesome!

Andrew: Well, thanks.

Jamie: Awww!

Laura: Awww!

Andrew: Cool. Okay. Well, do you have anything else to add?

Jamie: Any Harry Potter questions?

Caller: Well, my sister wants to talk, but... [laughs]

Jamie: Go on, put her on. Put her on.

Caller: All right.

Jamie: Brotherly love.

Caller's sister: Hey, it's Melanie.

Andrew: Hey.

Laura: Hi, Melanie.

Jamie: Hey, Melanie.

Andrew: Hold on one second. Let's get someone else in here. Mikey Bouchereau!

Caller's sister and Laura: Mikey!

Mikey: Hi, everybody.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Mikey: Guess what? Guess what, guys? Guess what?

Caller's sister: Mikey, it's Melanie!

Mikey: I just woke up.

Andrew: Oh wow, aren't you cool?

Laura: You are a bum.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: Mikey, where are you?

Mikey: I'm at my apartment.

Andrew: Oh okay. I was - we had Matt and Alex on earlier.

Mikey: Oh yeah. They were at Tasha's.

Andrew: Yeah. Yes. So they are. You sticking around for a while or what?

Mikey: Oh yeah. I'm good to stick around for quite a while, I guess.

Andrew: Okay. We were actually just talking about what we expected to see in the book, but didn't.

Mikey: Oh.

Andrew: So tell me, Mikey. What did you expect to see in the book but didn't?

Mikey: Wand-less magic.

Andrew: Oh yeah. Yeah. Especially since the cover - you don't see any wands on there.

Mikey: Yeah. Did you guys talk about that already? Or...

Andrew: No, we haven't. No.

Mikey: Yeah. That's just one thing I thought because we all were like, "Oh, Harry is going to get super powerful and have wand-less magic," and we didn't see that at all. Oh well.

Laura: Yeah.

[Mikey laughs]

Laura: You guys remember what we were saying in London about how we really thought that the US cover was extremely misleading?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: It just made it look like they were in this really weird alternate location. We didn't even know what it was, and it turned out to be the Great Hall and all the shadows just turned out to be Hogwarts students, and we were kind of like, "Yeah, thanks, Mary GrandPr√ą."

Andrew: I know. Yeah, and we actually talked about this in the first Vegas show we did on the tour and someone who was there had a great explanation for the whole cover. [laughs] And it's a shame we lost that show, but basically it is accurate that - well, what she was saying was that, "Yeah, it was in the Great Hall. That is the scene in the Great Hall." It just doesn't look like the Great Hall though. That's what was misleading so many people.

Mikey: Yeah. It's the scene right after their wands both go up in the air, because...

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: [laughs] Oh, this is...

Mikey: ...being the owner of the...

Jamie: I better read this e-mail quickly.

Mikey: Okay, Jamie. Go ahead.

Jamie: It's from Eric. Not "Eric" Eric, but...

Andrew: [laughs] Okay.

Jamie: ...a different Eric who questions Snape's motives when he gave Harry the Sword of Gryffindor and asks whether Snape threw it into the lake so he could watch Harry take a dip.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Wouldn't that make Snape sound sort of like a pervert?

Jamie: Yes.

Laura: Well, you never know. Snape might have gone and seen Equus, and...

Jamie: Maybe, maybe.

Mikey: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute, guys. That scene specifically - have you guys seen that Harry Potter and the MuggleCasters fan fiction?

Laura: No.

Jamie: No. I'm not sure I want to.

Mikey: That scene is described in Harry Potter and the MuggleCasters fan fiction. I got an e-mail the other day, I'm going to see if I can open up my e-mail. I'm on my desktop, not my laptop. It's the first time I've touched it in a while. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] There's actually - what was I going to say?

Laura: A fan fiction?

Andrew: A Harry - [laughs] or not a Harry. An Andrew/Jamie fan fiction... [laughs]

Laura: Oh my God.

Andrew: the works.

Jamie: Oh yeah, I've heard that.

Andrew: There's only Chapter 1, it's like the intro. It's like a set up for what apparently is supposed to happen.

Jamie: I'm hooked, Andrew.

Laura: Yeah. I know that...

Jamie: I'm going to carry on reading.

Laura: ...there was one on MySpace a little while back.

Jamie: See what it's like on Chapter 2. Oh my God! Sorry.

Mikey: Wow. Yeah. I don't know, I can't find it right now. But yeah, that's the scene from it and I just started laughing.

Laura: Oh. Well, Mikey, you'll have to link me to this. I'd like to see what I've been up to according to the fan fiction authors.

Jamie: Mikey, I'm a bit disappointed, to be honest.

Mikey: Why?

Jamie: Because - you must have had a heavy night last night, because this morning I had some problems with my Apple computer, and I called "Mikey B!" and you didn't appear. So I thought you must have been in mortal peril or something...

Mikey: Oh.

Jamie: ...because that's the only reason you wouldn't appear.

Mikey: I know, I know. There's very few reasons why I wouldn't appear when people say "Mikey B."

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Mikey: Actually, I didn't get home - all right, so I live on the West Coast, everybody, and West Coast time for me, it was 5:30 in the morning. So that's when I got home.

Andrew: When what? Oh okay.

Mikey: I got home. And then I ended up watching TV for like another hour and a half, and so I fell asleep. And I literally just woke up because the sun was in my face and I couldn't sleep anymore.

Jamie: For everyone listening, we had this idea last time that like in Book 7 when you say Voldemort's name, it's taboo, and the Snatchers turn up and pick you up and take you to the Malfoy Manor. We now say "Mikey B" and Mikey, wherever he is on Earth, has to magically appear with us in case we're in dire need of his assistance. Mikey agreed, so now that's in force and - so yeah, if you ever need anything just say it. Isn't that right, Mikey?

Mikey: Yup, that's true. It's one of those things where - we've come to the conclusion that even though Harry Potter is magical, I'm pretty magical too. Just me.

[Jamie and Laura laugh]

Mikey: And so when you say "Mikey B" - if you say it like three times, [clicks fingers] I'm there instantly. And if it doesn't work, it's because you're just not saying "Mikey B" right. So you have to try it different times.

Jamie: Yeah, that's so true. Yeah.

Mikey: You have to try it a little different - so you can be like, "Mikey B!"

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: Or [in various accents] "Mikey B!" "Mikey B!" "Mikey B!" You have to try all the different ways, and - yeah.

Jamie: You've got to be very careful because if you don't say it with enough determination and drive, you'll splinch Mikey and just his arm will turn up or something.

Laura: [laughs] Oh my God.

Jamie: You've got to be like, "Mikey B!"

Mikey: All right, question, guys. Guys, question: What hour is this actually right now, please? [laughs] Because I can't believe we're talking about...

Jamie: This is three.

Mikey: Three?

Andrew: We're about to enter our fourth, right?

Jamie: Yup, we're almost in hour four.

Mikey: Okay. I'm excited for hour eleven and then the twelfth hour.

Andrew: Me too.

Mikey: I can't wait to see what we talk about.

Jamie: I'm excited for 11:59.

Andrew: [laughs] Well, according to our live countdown through the Ustream, there's nine minutes and three minutes - [laughs] nine minutes? I wish there was nine minutes left!

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: Nine hours and three minutes left. [laughs] So we still got a ways to go. But actually, Mikey, I'm glad you came on this hour because in the schedule we have a discussion coming up after the break which we'll get to in a couple of minutes, about what we look forward to in Movie 7. And we'll have a movie talk and stuff like that.

Mikey: Wait a minute, we have a schedule? How come people don't inform me of these things?

Andrew: We have a schedule and you are a part of it, and I e-mailed it to you. I'm positive I did.

[Jamie laughs]

Mikey: What e-mail?

Andrew: Actually, I'm lying. [laughs] I don't think I see you on the schedule.

Mikey: Thanks. Thanks, buddy.

Andrew: Was it band videos?

Mikey: Yeah. At Mac. It can be that one or the band videos at the other one.

Andrew: Is it band dot videos or band...

Mikey: Here, I'll IM - where are you right now?

Andrew: [laughs] Okay.

Mikey: I don't know where your name is.

Andrew: IM me. IM me. I'm on the MuggleCast Ustream.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: Okay, so let's wrap up this discussion. One more e-mail, from Allison. She writes:

"I personally expected to see Neville kill Bellatrix and I was surprised when Molly did it instead. I was mad but I did love the Molly line."

[laughs] Oh God.

Laura: [laughs] Yeah.

Jamie: Why don't we end on that?

Andrew: Was this not for Mikey or what? I can't believe I just read this.

Jamie: We'll go to a break after this. Mikey, take it away.

Mikey: Give it up for Molly Weasley!

Jamie: No, and the actual line.

Mikey: Oh gee, my modified line or the actual line?

Jamie: Umm...

Mikey: Because see, I think it's really inappropriate.

Jamie: I agree. Modify it.

Mikey: I love Jo, but really she used a word that I think was just a little inappropriate.

Laura: Mikey, I said - I repeated the line like two weeks ago.

Mikey: Yeah, I know and I was a little appalled by that, Laura.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: I really was.

Laura: Yes, because you've never heard...

Mikey: All right - I've never heard that word before spoken out loud.

Laura: I don't swear.

Mikey: My little cousins listen to the show now.

Andrew: Yeah, see...

Jamie: Ooh.

[Laura laughs]

Mikey: Yeah, and I don't think...

Andrew: Yeah, we do have some younger listeners...

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: ...which is why it's a touchy subject. Maybe we'll make that...

Mikey: You guys, let's just give it up for Molly Weasley.

Jamie: Yeah!

Andrew: All right, give it up! Round of applause.

Laura: Yay!

Jamie: Everyone who's listening around the world, clap now.

Mikey: Can you imagine Molly Weasley in the movie going, "Stay away from my daughter, you witch!"?

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Mikey: It's really easy! All you do is change the "b" with a "w" and now it's PG!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: It's so easy!

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: "Stay away from my daughter, you witch!"

Jamie: Andrew, quickly before we go to the break, I have to give the vegetable for the third hour which is cabbage.

Andrew: Cabbage, okay. We'll be taking a quick break. Let's hear from GoDaddy guy Mason, then we'll hit a couple of songs, and we'll be back in about, oh, a few minutes.

Jamie: Buh-bye!

[Music begins]

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["Come Together" by Beatles plays]

Discussion: Future Deathly Hallows Movie - Director

["Major Tom (Coming Home)" by Peter Schilling plays]

Mikey: obviously, I was with Alex and we were discussing Order of the Phoenix and how he was disappointed in it, and how I kind of felt the same way too, but it was still a well-made film overall. But I want to know what you would do for the seventh movie and all that, and we'll talk about that in a minute, but this is why Brandon is going to be great because he's a film guy.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: He knows all his stuff.

Andrew: So...

Mikey: I know, I'm rambling, as usual. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, you are rambling because I'm trying to get the stream back up because it went down. Hold on one second. [sighs] Firefox froze.

Jamie: What's happening?

Andrew: The stream froze, so - well, Firefox froze I think, so...

Mikey: Oh. Yeah?

Andrew: Go live. Good Macs.

Mikey: So, yeah...

Andrew: This is why I want an iMac.

Mikey: Brandon, this is a twelve-hour podcast.

Brandon Nicholas: Yeah. Crazy, guys.

Andrew: Yeah. Alex told me you guys would do a twelve-hour concert.

Jamie: Are we on air, by the way?

Andrew: I'll tell you in a minute.

Brandon: Hey, just so you guys know, Tyler is here too with me.

Andrew: Oh, really?

Mikey: Oh, is he? Tyler!

Tyler Nicholas: Ahhh!

Andrew: Start broadcast.

Tyler: One quick question. One quick question.

Andrew: All right, we're good now.

Tyler: Are we allowed to curse?

Andrew: No, no, none of that. This is a children's program. [laughs]

Mikey: Are we on air?

Andrew: We're on air again. Sorry about that.

Mikey: Oh okay.

Andrew: Okay, so - okay, let's get to the discussion. Today we're - in this hour, we're going to be talking about what we're looking forward to seeing in Movie 7, because obviously it was a big book. There are some huge scenes in the book that have to translate through the movie, but then there's also the question of what the heck is going to get cut. Now, I want to start it off by saying Alfonso Cuaron, the director of Prisoner of Azkaban, said in an interview a couple of weeks ago - actually, this was late July. I quote him as saying, "I would be really tempted because it was really beautiful," in response to, "Would you direct another Harry Potter film?" "I just started reading the last book and something I respect is the care the producers have put in the film franchise." So, who here would like to see Alfonso Cuaron direct?

Brandon: I definitely would.

Mikey: I would.

Tyler: Definitely as well.

Andrew: So everyone definitely would? [sighs]

Mikey: I almost think...

Brandon: I think...

Mikey: Well, no. Hold on. As much as I love Alfonso Cuaron - because I think he's amazing. He's definitely one of my favorite directors as of right now, and I don't think he's done anything that I don't like right now. I kind of wouldn't mind seeing Chris Columbus do it, and the only reason why is he did the first two, and to get - those are not my favorite, but they are kind of the closest to the book. You know what I mean?

Andrew: Right, right.

Mikey: And so maybe if Chris took over again - at the very end, to finish it off, his big old thing that he started - we might have this really nice long movie...

Jamie: But these movies are very sort of sparse, so I've always thought it would be nice to see a different person for each one, so we get seven individual special, unique movies rather than two done by one or the other.

Andrew: Yeah. But personally I think - I would want to see a lot of care put into this final film, as it's the final one and who knows if they would ever remake the Harry Potter movie series again. Brandon or Tyler, you want to add something?

Brandon: I definitely think that Alfonso Cuaron would be amazing to film. I personally am not a big fan of Chris Columbus, but I do think it would be really, really cool to bring someone new in. My personal vote would be Terry Gilliam but I know that got voted out, so...

Andrew: What has he directed?

Brandon: He did Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and Brazil and...

Jamie: Oh, that was pretty good, actually. Yeah.

Brandon: And he's just really, really a dark director, but really into fantasy and really one of my favorites, and he could really bring that whole dark element to the film which I think it needs.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Brandon...

Andrew: I have to - go ahead, Jamie.

Jamie: Brandon - this is too serious - please give me a "Mikey B."

[Andrew laughs]

Brandon: [imitating Mikey] I am Mikey B!

[Andrew and Jamie laugh]

Jamie: That's awesome.

Brandon: I love you, Mikey B!

Andrew: That's adorable. What would you like to see them - I guess we'll start with leave in. Anyone, go.

Jamie: Doesn't it - he has to leave in the stuff that - whoever does it has to leave in the stuff that's important to the entire series as a whole, that is the glue that binds it all. So like, the whole Snape story, loving Lily, is something that no director could leave out. So there's certain stuff that has to go in. And then there's stuff like when Harry and Hermione camp the entire time, which probably could be left out a bit more.

Mikey: Yeah. But during the Harry and Hermione camping, you've got to make sure that we get Dan to take his clothes off to jump into that lake. Because that's why we know Jo wrote that scene, right?

Jamie: Yeah, exactly.

Mikey: She wants to see Dan half naked again. And I'm sorry, [laughs] I did not mean to pick on Jo that way at all but - yeah. We have to make sure we put that scene in, him jumping in the lake, not doing what he's supposed to do and just "Oh, no one's around. I'll jump in the water by myself."

Jamie: [laughs] Naked.

Mikey: [laughs] Yeah. Completely! No.

Jamie: What about Tim Burton, for...

Andrew: Tim Burton? I don't think - has he ever directed a dark film?

Jamie: Yeah, he has.

[Brandon laughs]

Andrew: Sorry, I'm not up on my directors, so don't laugh at me!

Brandon: We liked Tim Burton ten years ago or something like that - Edward Scissorhands time, maybe - but not now.

Mikey: You mean not post Planet of the Apes Tim Burton?

Brandon: [laughs] Yeah, exactly. I don't know, he kind of went downhill from there. I'm not saying that I don't love the guy still, I think he's a great director, but he really, really went downhill after. His early films were really handled with a lot of care. I think he really kind of took a turn for the worse.

Mikey: Well, I don't know about that. I do definitely like - I liked the new Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

Andrew: Yeah, I was going to say, I loved that but I thought that was too - well, I mean...

Mikey: It was stylized, definitely.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: It's very Tim Burton-esque but I don't know, I definitely like his older films better, like Brandon was saying. But I think if he was given the task, he might be able to do something really cool with it. The only thing I could see though is like the graveyard scene, all the graves would be skewed, kind of like...

Jamie: [laughs] Yeah.

Mikey: he has it in everything. It would be like, "Oh," you know, in all the movies he has the graves all skewed in a weird way.

Brandon: That's the thing about Tim Burton though, is he has that specific style. I don't think you'd want to bring that into a Harry Potter film, because...

Andrew: Yeah.

[Mikey laughs]

Brandon: ...the Harry Potter films already has its own style.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: Exactly. Yeah, and it's all been set up now. I mean, everyone knows what to expect.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: So if there's this different style, say Willy Wonka style [laughs] introduced with Tim Burton...

Mikey: Well, wait...

Jamie: [unintelligible]

Mikey: Well, you guys - wait, let's think back about Tim Burton. Can you imagine him bringing some of his style into the Harry Potter movies? Can you imagine like instead of a Thestral being what it was in the movie, him having the stop-motion animation for the Thestral like The Nightmare Before Christmas, and all these characters not being CGI but actually stop-motion animation, and just being a really weird, crazy, magical world?

Andrew: Yeah.

Brandon: Yeah...

Mikey: I think that would be crazy.

Brandon: ...but I think a lot of them would end up having scissors hands or a lot more white makeup.

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: Yeah, white makeup and Johnny Depp in the background. Actually, Johnny Depp should just come in and be in the movies for the sake of just being in the movies as Jack Sparrow or something.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: And being like...

Brandon: Everyone would just be dead, I think.

Mikey: Yeah, he should take over the role as Harry Potter and just win. [laughs]

Andrew: What would you want to see taken out? I mean...

Tyler: I definitely think that the final duel will - it just doesn't fit.

[Andrew laughs]

Tyler: I think out of all the scenes it just doesn't carry the movie along any further. I think it should just kind of end as Harry dying.

Andrew: Yeah, that doesn't really matter, you don't think?

Brandon: Way to give the ending. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Tyler: Completely serious.

Andrew: I think you're trying to be funny. Don't push it.

[Brandon and Tyler laugh]

Andrew: This is a serious podcast. We - I think I would love to see all that crap taken out when Harry and Hermione are just sitting around camping.

Jamie: Yeah, and cooking fish on bonfires and stuff like that.

Tyler: That's like half the book.

Andrew: [laughs] I know it's half the book.

Mikey: Oh, I know what I can get rid of, the Big D and Harry whole thing. It's like, come on. Dudley's been played down so much, it's like, really, do we even need to have "They're not that bad"?

Jamie: Going back to Johnny Depp, could he play anyone? We just had a couple of e-mails saying that he'd be a good Fenrir Greyback, maybe.

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: Johnny Depp as Fenrir Greyback. Actually, I'm just picturing him as - all right - no wait, guys, please, I'm going to check the feedback in a minute but hold on. Everybody who's listening, Johnny Depp as a Harry Potter character or Captain Jack Sparrow as a Harry Potter character?

Jamie: Yeah!

Mikey: Because I'm thinking - right away my brain went for this. I saw Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow with the dreads and going like, [impersonating Jack Sparrow] "Love, you don't want to mess with me. I'm a werewolf! Pirate!" Something like that.

Jamie: You sound like the Terminator, Mikey. [laughs]

Mikey: Huh?

Andrew: [laughs] "You sound like the Terminator," he said.

[Jamie laughs]

Mikey: Yeah, you're missing - the thing is, I talk very animatedly. All the guys will tell me that. And I'm actually doing the sway with my hands up in the air but you don't see that because I'm just talking, so it came out really bad for sure.

Brandon: [imitating Mikey] Mikey B!

Mikey: Yeah, it's Mikey B.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: Mikey B! It's what I do.

Jamie: Here's a personalized question specifically for you: George Lucas?

Mikey: Uh-huh?

Jamie: What do you think?

Mikey: For a Harry Potter film?

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: [laughs] No. I love George Lucas, don't get me wrong, but did you guys see Phantom Menace?

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: Or Attack of the Clones?

Brandon: And you're saying that you did?

Mikey: Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I think he did very good with the original Star Wars, A New Hope, and I think his THX - you know, American Graffiti was good.

Brandon: THX 1138 is great, but then he re-released it and it was horrible.

Mikey: Yeah.

Brandon: He added flying monkeys in it and stuff. It's not like Wizard of Oz.

[Jamie laughs]

Mikey: But it was good at one point and also, come on, really? American Graffiti was great.

Brandon: Okay.

Mikey: Yeah.

Brandon: All right.

Mikey: So he did do some good stuff. Plus he did do - I think - I must say, Revenge of the Sith was not too bad. Not too bad.

Tyler: Whoa. Whoa.

Mikey: Dude, that light-saber fight was just awesome, okay? You can't - come on. And even like - but you know what though? Talking to me about Star Wars is just really bad because I actually like Phantom Menace. The directing on it and the story and just the whole Jar Jar Binks scenes was just bad, but man, that pod race scene was just so cool that [laughs] I had to love it still.

Jamie: Yeah, that was cool.

Brandon: I like Star Wars but just bringing it back to Harry Potter...

Andrew: Yeah, thank you. [laughs]

Brandon: ...I think it would be a horrible, horrible, horrible idea to have George Lucas direct anything involving Harry Potter. He would just ruin everything.

Andrew: I agree. He's probably not even a Harry Potter fan.

Mikey: But come on...

Brandon: Because he'd definitely have [unintelligible] as somebody and he'd have blue screens everywhere.

Jamie: Yeah.

Brandon: And Harry Potter would be computer generated. It would be stupid.

Andrew: Exactly. Thank you. [laughs]

Mikey: Misa Harry Potter! [laughs]

Andrew: Someone said via the live feedback - Christian from Stockholm, Sweden. He writes:

"Stop dissing the camping scenes. They're the best ones in the book!"

Mikey: Ha ha.

Andrew: What?!

Jamie: If that's what you like.

Andrew: Yeah. If it floats your boat.

Tyler: But would you really want every single camping scene in the movie instead of the amazingness that's in the book?

Andrew: Exactly.

Jamie: I agree.

Andrew: Yeah, we do have to...

Tyler: The balance.

Andrew: Exactly, thank you. What else...

Brandon: I...

Andrew: Go ahead.

Brandon: I would love an eight-hour movie. Really, just [unintelligible] it out.

[Tyler laughs]

Brandon: I want to see it.

Andrew: Well yeah...

Mikey: [laughs] Peter Jackson.

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