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Micah: Because somebody still hasn't seen Order of the Phoenix, this is MuggleCast Episode 114 for September 24th, 2007.

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Jamie: Whoa! Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 1-1-4. We've got a great show lined up for you today. Excellent news, excellent theories, excellent rebuttals, and a great main discussion. I'm Andrew Sims.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Jamie: I'm Jamie Lawrence.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

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Jamie: Now, first of all, we go over to Micah for this week's top Harry Potter news stories. Micah?


Micah: Okay, thanks, Jamie. Emma Watson, the actress who plays Hermione Granger, has updated the blog on her official site informing fans that she finished filming Ballet Shoes. She says, "I am really nervous to see the results, but mostly very, very excited."

It has been confirmed by Warner Bros. that the fifth Harry Potter movie DVD will be released in Britain on November 12th and in the U.S. on December 11th. Some quick facts: the single disc, both full-screen and wide-screen, will be priced at $28.98, the dual-disc at $34.99, and the HD and Blu-Ray disc at $35.99. The dual-disc set will include a sneak peek at Half-Blood Prince. Additional seventeen minutes of Order of the Phoenix footage will be included on all the DVDs, and there will be a limited edition gift set to include more than three hours of all new content from the past Harry Potter films.

From Order of the Phoenix to Half-Blood Prince, Jim Broadbent has confirmed that he will be playing the role of Professor Horace Slughorn. Broadbent described his new role in an interview with Dark Horizons saying, "He's a retired teacher of magic who's drawn back out of retirement, because he's got some secrets they need in the battle against the Death Eaters. And he's quite star struck as a teacher. And he's drawn back into the fold, because he likes to notch up celebrity students, and he's drawn back by Harry." Broadbent would be recognizable to most Harry Potter fans for his role as Professor Kirke in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.

Today, the MTV News blog had an online interview with Harry Potter actor Dan Radcliffe, who gave MTV the scoop on filming the cave and Inferi scenes. He said, "I'm really looking forward to filming the cave and all the stuff in there, with the lake and the Inferi." Radcliffe enthused, "Me and Michael Gambon in a rowboat for a few days. It's going to be amazing." Dan also reveals that the cave will be filmed on a real set, rather than being inserted digitally.

In a new audio interview that will leave diehard fans very happy, Half-Blood Prince director David Yates talks about how he understands the fans' connection with each film. With that in mind, he says he's going to make Half-Blood Prince a very character-driven film with a coming of age story, thanks in part to screenwriter Steve Kloves's fun draft. Filming began for Half-Blood Prince on September 17th and the sixth Potter film is due out November 18, 2008.

New York, New Orleans and Los Angeles were not enough! J.K. Rowling will make an appearance on the morning of October 23rd at the Winter Garden Theatre in downtown Toronto. It's an all ages event hosted by Toronto's International Festival of Authors and Rowling's Canadian publisher, Vancouver-based Raincoast Books. Ms. Rowling will read from Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, entertain questions from fans, and autograph complimentary copies of the book. Until September the 27th, Canadian fans can visit Raincoast's website and enter for the drawing that awards ten pairs of tickets every day. Tickets are also being given out to Canadian libraries and the country's 79 public and Catholic school boards. That's all the news for this September 24th, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew is Absent

Jamie: All right, thank you, Micah.

Micah: Thanks.

Jamie: How is everyone today?

Laura: Whoa.

Jamie: Whoa!

Micah: What was that "whoa" for?

Laura: Yeah, wow, I'm doing well. How are you guys? Andrew, you sound a little funny.

Jamie: [imitating Andrew] Well, you know, it's - I've got a bit of a cold, and my audio is a bit messed up. But everything is good! [speaking as himself] Oh, that's really great, Andrew! I'm really glad that your audio is messed up. Excellent. Micah, how are you?

Micah: I'm doing great.

Jamie: Good. Now we have some bad news. Andrew, unfortunately, has to leave now to go and do some stuff. He's moved on to pastures new. So he can't be with us today. How does everyone feel about that? Sad? Very, very sad, I know?

Laura: Eh, whatever. Go away, Andrew.

Jamie: Yeah, Andrew, go away! You've abandoned us - abandoned us - abandoned us...

Micah: Wow, Laura, geez.

News Discussion: Ballet Shoes

Jamie: ...all the way. But we're going to start off with a bit of news discussion to hopefully clear the air after Andrew leaving. So, Emma, as Micah has just told us, has just finished filming Ballet Shoes. Laura, you're the resident personal expert on Ballet Shoes...

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: do you think you could give us a few facts about it?

Laura: If you could call it that.

[Jamie laughs]

Laura: I know that - I can't say that I know a whole lot about it, but I know it's based on a book, I believe. We were talking about how, if I get this wrong, like five hundred of you are going to e-mail, so. But...

[Jamie and Laura laugh]

Laura:'s based on a book, and I'm pretty sure it's a BBC production. And as far as I know, apparently she dyed her hair blonde for it. That's what I read on her site.

Jamie: Now, is she a natural blonde? Because I could have sworn...

Laura: I don't think so.

Jamie: ...I heard, a few years ago that Emma Watson is a natural blonde. Is that completely wrong?

Laura: I don't - I mean...

Micah: Ask Ben.

Laura: I hate to turn this into a girly show, scrutinizing people's hair color, but I mean...

Jamie: No, that's fine. [laughs]

Laura: Just judging from - I don't know. I wouldn't say that it's natural, but I don't know for sure.

Jamie: How can you tell? How can you tell?

Laura: Because I'm a girl, and I dye my hair, and I can just tell.

Jamie: But...

Laura: Like, you can see roots and stuff.

Jamie: Really? Yeah, but surely, if it's done for the movies then it could be that they've just changed a few things for that, but it isn't actually dyed. Or I mean...

Laura: It could be. I mean, I don't know, personally. I've never asked Emma if she dyes her hair.

Jamie: Well, Laura...

Laura: But I should have.

Jamie: need to come here more prepared! I mean, come on now.

Laura: I should have. I should have just gone up to her in L.A. and been like, "Hey, do you dye your hair? We really need to know. It's a pressing question."

Jamie: Yes. That was a poor effort on your behalf. But what did you guys think about Emma branching out after Harry Potter?

Laura: I think it's really good for her, because - I mean, I don't really know what kind of role she's playing in Ballet Shoes, but if you consider the role that she's playing as Hermione, it's something that you could become slightly type-cast as, you know? The know-it-all and, you know, the only girl. That type of thing.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: So, I think it's good. I know that she's playing an orphan in Ballet Shoes, so I'm assuming that she's going to be with a lot of other girls.

Micah: Oh, there's a stretch from Harry Potter.

Laura: Okay, but she's not the orphan, Micah!

[Jamie laughs]

Micah: Fair point, fair point.

Jamie: Well, Dan's doing it as well in The December Boys.

Laura: Doesn't he play an orphan there as well?

Jamie: He does, yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: It's the "in" thing at the moment, I guess.

Laura: Yeah, really.

Jamie: But I think it's good that she's branching out as well. It would be so easy for her, Rupert, and Dan to be type-cast as Harry Potter people forever. And, I mean, we can't tell now if they're going to be or not, but it's good that they're starting doing new things. I think, anyway.

Laura: Yeah, I agree.

Micah Hasn't Seen Order of the Phoenix

Jamie: Micah, what about the Order of the Phoenix DVD?

Micah: The Order of the Phoenix DVD comes out on November the 12th over there in England. So are you going to be online waiting for it, Jamie?

Jamie: No, because it doesn't normally come to my computer. [laughs] I'll be waiting by the door for it, though, maybe.

Micah: Oh. Okay. But are you going to ship a copy over to me since I have not seen Order of the Phoenix yet? And I have to get it over...

Jamie: You haven't seen it?

Laura: You what?!

Micah: No. [laughs]

Jamie: What's wrong with you?

Laura: You haven't - what?

Jamie: You call yourself a Harry Potter fan, Micah. Get out now. Let's get Andrew back, Laura.

Laura: No, wait. Wait a second. How have you not seen Order of the Phoenix?

Micah: I haven't seen Order of the Phoenix.

Jamie: Are you kidding? Is this a big joke?

Laura: You didn't go to your local movie theater to see it?

Micah: [laughs] No, I'm not joking.

Laura: Oh my God, you are such a slacker. Where is Andrew? Come on. Get out, Micah.

Jamie: Micah, that is just - I think we should stop the show, this show, this week in like a moment of just desperation at the fact that you have not seen Movie 5. How long has it been now?

Laura: It's been out since July.

Jamie: Micah, what do you have to say? [pause] Not much.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Micah: Send me the DVD when it comes out.

Jamie: But doesn't it come out there as well? How many days afterwards does it come out there?

Micah: About a month.

Jamie: A month?

Micah: It comes out on December 11th.

Jamie: Really? That is pretty poor.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

News Discussion: Order of the Phoenix DVD

Jamie: I'm not too excited about the DVD, though. I like watching it, obviously, but the special features have never ever done it for me.

Laura: Yeah, we kind of talked about this last week, too...

Jamie: We did, yeah.

Laura: ...just about how the special features are always kind of kid-ish, and they're not really geared towards adults, really. They're not - not even towards twelve year-olds, I would say.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: They're really geared toward much younger children.

Jamie: Well, the scenes are always good, the deleted scenes, and some interviews. But I've just always found them a bit boring, personally.

Laura: Yeah. Some - I personally like watching the interviews of the, you know, the directors and the producers and everything more so than the cast...

Jamie: I agree.

Laura: ...because it seems like the cast always says the same thing over and over. Like, "Everybody's changing and the movies are getting darker..."

Jamie: Yeah, I know.

Laura: "...and blah, blah, blah."

Jamie: And, "My character - I think my character has grown and developed a lot in this film. Obviously, she's had to - she's had to see completely different things happen to her friends. She's had to move along in the, you know, maturity levels. But I think it's really helped her." It is the same every time, isn't it?

Laura: Yeah. It really is.

Jamie: You've got to say that.

Laura: I mean, not that I'm putting them down for saying that, because...

Jamie: I am.

Laura: ...there's really not much else you can say. Like there comes a point where they just keep asking the same question over and over...

Jamie: Yeah, it is true.

Laura: ...and you kind of come up with a generic response, so I don't hold them at fault for that at all.

Jamie: But I've found that's always, sort of, a side effect of having people interview Harry Potter actors who are just, like, the mainstream media. So people who aren't Harry Potter related - who don't know the films well enough to ask specific questions. So they have to ask - you know - movie questions like, "How do you think your character has developed from the first film to this?" Or, "What's the most important thing you've done to prepare yourself for this role?" You know, stuff that isn't specific to Harry Potter.

Laura: Yeah.

News Discussion: Jim Broadbent Cast as Horace Slughorn

Jamie: But I should make - a piece of very, very exciting news - well, for me personally, anyways, and I hope for everyone else - Jim Broadbent has just been cast as Horace Slughorn. Now, I know Jim Broadband - Jim Broadband! [laughs] That's an interesting thing, Jim Broadband. He is personally an extremely fast Internet connection. If you're ever lost and you've got your laptop...

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Jamie: ...and you see Jim Broadband - if you just plug it into, like, his leg or something, you will get download speeds that you have never experienced before. But we should try that.

Laura: We should send him to Kevin.

Jamie: Yes, we should, we should! Kevin's already over it. If anyone's wondering why he isn't not on the show, was terrible...

Laura: Or, like, the past fifty shows.

Jamie: Yeah, the last fifty shows.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: His audio is terrible. What happens is, you'll speak to him and he'll say something, but instead of just hearing it once you'll hear it over and over again, like a rapper. I think we found the secret to every single rapper's success: they just use Kevin's audio and then it sounds amazing. But not too good for a Harry Potter podcast. So that's why Kevin isn't on.

Laura: No.

Jamie: Jim Broadbent. I finally got it right. If anyone has ever seen "Only Fools and Horses," there was an episode where Del Boy has an arch-rival called Slater, Inspector Slater. He's a police chief, and Jim Broadbent plays him in that. He's absolutely awesome. Other roles he has done are Hot Fuzz -very, very funny - Chronicles of Narnia, Bridget Jones's, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - not out yet, still filming. What else has he done? Vanity Fair, Around the World in 80 Days Nicholas Nickleby. He's obviously a pretty, you know...

Laura: Seasoned actor.

Jamie: ...seasoned actor. You know - exactly. And, I mean, I've spoken to a few people, and they seem extremely excited. What do you guys think? He looks the part, definitely.

Laura: Yeah, I think he does. I can't that say I know too much about him as an actor. I mean, I've seen Narnia, obviously, but I can't say that I've really seen any of the other movies you mentioned.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: But just from the previous history of the adult actors cast in these films, I can't say that they've ever picked somebody who was not perfect.

Jamie: They haven't, no.

Laura: Ev - I mean, of all of the - Umbridge, Hagrid...

Micah: Michael Gambon.

Laura: ...McGonagall - Michael Gambon is awesome, Micah!

Jamie: He is. Yes, he is.

Laura: Get out.

Jamie: Well, of course, Micah wouldn't know, would he, considering he hasn't even seen the film.

Laura: Oh yeah, you haven't seen the fifth movie, Micah.

Micah: [laughs] I've seen the other ones he's been in.

Jamie: Micah - Micah, quick quiz: how many books are there in the Harry Potter series? Do you know? Or...

Laura: Have you missed the last one?

Micah: Seven maybe? I don't know.

Jamie: Good guess. Good guess, Micah. Very good guess.

Micah: Good guess?

Jamie: Excellent. But yeah, I think he's going to be absolutely awesome. And - because he's a very complicated character, Slughorn, and I think it's going to take some work. I'd be surprised if Broadbent doesn't read the books before he plays the role, because it is a - it is a kind of role that, you know...

Laura: You kind of do need to read the books.

Jamie: need the back story to develop the character...

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: know what I mean?

Laura: Yeah, I kind of wonder how much they are going to develop him. Are they really going to go into him, you know, running from the Death Eaters, or hiding from them? Are they - I just wonder how much back story we're going to get on that.

Jamie: I agree.

Laura: Yeah, I mean...

Jamie: It's going to be interesting to see how he does.

Micah: Well, I mean...

Laura: Although I think a lot of what they leave in the seventh film now is going to be based on how the series came out. Like, for instance, they've kind of screwed themselves now because they left Lily out of the entire "Snape's Worst Memory" scene in Order of the Phoenix...

Jamie: Yes.

Laura: ...and then it actually has a huge significance, so I think that they better pay a lot more attention now.

News Discussion: Half-Blood Prince Filming Has Begun

Jamie: I hope they do. I hope they do. Something very, very exciting: Half Blood Prince filming has begun. A bit excited about that?

Laura: Of course. Isn't that supposed to be November of 2008?

Jamie: Yeah, that is quite a long time. Is that normal for Harry Potter films? How long is the...

Laura: Yeah, it is! Because they switch off. Like one will come out in the summer and then the other one will come out in the fall of the following year.

Jamie: Oh. Oh yeah, of course they do. It is a long time, though. But it's a long book as well.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: So I wonder how much they're going to take out and how much they're going to leave in.

Laura: It's such a complicated book. You know, I think about Books 6 and 7. It's Book 7 particularly that I'm worried about with all the information we get. But Book 6, I really wonder how much of, like, the Harry and Dumbledore dynamic they're actually going to focus on.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: Because that's so important...

Jamie: It is.

Laura: ...and if they don't give it enough attention, it's not going to work.

Jamie: Exactly. And Book - sorry, Movie 7 - is then going to not have the back story to back up Harry's anger at Dumbledore, and, you know...

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: ...his anger at Snape and all that. So, I agree with you. Book 6 is like a springboard for Book 7, and if they don't do it properly, it's worrying.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Well, did you guys think at all that they could start taking elements of Book 7 and start putting it in Movie 6, just so they don't have to...

Jamie: Condense a huge book? Yeah.

Micah: ...go all out in Movie 7?

Jamie: If they can work it, but that's pretty risky. I mean, if they do that badly then - and things that don't match up...

Laura: Yeah. What do you mean by elements? Like actual happenings or just little tidbits, like facts and stuff that we find out in Book 7 that would make more sense in a...

Micah: Yeah, sort of starting to drop facts and things like that. Not taking actual events that took place in Book 7, but maybe start giving us more information in...

Laura: Like about Horcruxes?

Micah: Yeah.

Jamie: Maybe, but I mean, they set that up, kind of, with Voldemort and his - actually, was that line in the movies when he's like, "I've gone further along the path of immortality than any other person," or was that not in the movies?

Laura: Oh gosh, I don't think it was.

Jamie: I guess they haven't...

Laura: I was just thinking about it. Oh my gosh. Yeah, see, the thing is, when - I remember when I first read Book 6, a lot of people were complaining about how Horcruxes weren't set up. They were just going on about how they weren't, and it's like, you go back through the books, and they actually were.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: It was just so subtle. She just did it...

Jamie: Brilliantly done, yeah.

Laura: perfectly. Oh my God. But ...

Jamie: But then...

Laura: I don't know how they're going to do that in the movies. It's going to kind of - it seems like they're going to kind of come out of nowhere. It's going to be kind of like...

Jamie: Well, Movie 2 kind of did it with the - when Harry stabbed the diary, it looked like Riddle was, you know - a part of him was dying, kind of.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Or perhaps we can just say that now because we know what it was about, but it looks like that now with hindsight. I don't know if...

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: really is like that.

Laura: She just did that so well, because when you're reading that book at the time, you think that he's just destroying like - you don't think of it as a part of Riddle. You think that he's just destroying something that he's using to infiltrate Hogwarts, you know?

Jamie: Precisely, yeah.

Laura: Like, you don't think of it as like an extension of his soul, which is really awesome. Oh my gosh.

Jamie: Oh wait.

Laura: I just get excited thinking about it.

Jamie: I've just completely contradicted myself. I think I just said that yes, you do see it as an extension of the soul, but then I've just agreed with you. I don't know. I don't know, because when you watch it, it looks like he is dying. You know, he comes out, and he screams, and it looks like a part of him is dying. I don't know if we didn't know about Horcruxes, perhaps we just think that it's because, you know, it's a memory, and the memory's dying, but...

Laura: Yeah, see, that's what she excused it as in the book.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: He just called him - what was - and Riddle even called himself a memory.

Jamie: He did. Yeah, yeah.

Laura: So, oh my gosh. It's so cool.

Jamie: But how can you plan seven books out like that?

Laura: Oh my God. She is amazing. That's how she does it.

Announcement: The Live Show

Jamie: That is pretty impressive. That is very, very impressive. Okay, let's move on to some announcements. First of all, thank you to everyone who tuned in for the live show. It was an experiment, a huge experiment. We think it went pretty well with a few minor slip-ups. The audio dropped a bit, and a few people have been complaining that our voices sound like chipmunks on the released one. Have you guys heard that? Because I haven't checked it yet.

Laura: I haven't heard it yet, but apparently I sound hilarious, from what I've heard.

Jamie: Really?

Laura: Yeah, apparently - apparently you guys all sound like, I don't know, maybe you're like alto chipmunks...

Jamie: Oh, right. [laughs]

Laura: ...and apparently I'm a second soprano chipmunk.

Jamie: Oh, really?

Laura: So, yeah, that's what I've heard, so it should be interesting to listen to.

Jamie: Well, I'm going to have to listen to that. That actually sounds exciting.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Not an excuse to complain. We have a piece of feedback from - they didn't leave their name, but it's about the live show. They say:

"Okay, I know I've been e-mailing a lot of feedback lately, but I really have to tell you how happy I am that you released the rest of the live podcast, and how amazed I am at the quality of everything."

Apart from the chipmunk voices, I'm sure.

"It's moving at the perfect pace, the sound quality is great, even though your voices are a little higher than usual, and your choice of conversation is just, again, perfect. This is like Christmas or something."

And this is where I think this person might just come from New Jersey, because they say:

"Go Andrew. You have been brilliant thus far, and I freaking love you. I've listened to MC since you released the first episode, and I am really very impressed right now. I love this, and I love you guys. Well done. Jessie."

So that's very nice.

Micah: Oh thanks, Mrs. Sims, for sending that in.

Jamie: Yes, thank you very much, Mrs. Sims. Extremely kind of you to send in your feedback. Second piece we have is from Cindy Patten, age 30-something, from Columbus. She says:

"I was real excited to find out that you did a twelve-hour show. I like to listen while I work, but when I downloaded the show, I ended up listening to twelve hours of not much to do with Harry Potter. It was all about the life and times of the show hosts. I usually love you guys, and if you want to spend hours upon hours talking about yourself, that's fine, but maybe it should be on a different podcast."

I would have to agree with that. It did completely lapse into that, but after a few hours, there wasn't much else we could talk about without, sort of, collapsing, you know.

Laura: Yeah. It's really a hard thing to kind of - it's a hard thing to do when you want to do a show that long, because there are people like Cindy, who want to hear about Harry Potter, and then there are other listeners who would rather hear about some other things. They don't want to...

Jamie: Some stories, yeah.

Laura: Yeah, they don't want to be bombarded by Harry Potter for twelve hours, so we kind of try to find a happy medium where we discuss Harry Potter for a while, and then we discuss other things for a while, whether they be thing from our personal lives or...

Jamie: Stories we use.

Laura: ...we just let people call in and...

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: ...yeah.

Jamie: So perhaps we got it slightly wrong this time. But hopefully, when we do two or three hour shows, it's going to improve a lot more. I think twelve, perhaps, was quite a sort of - start to do for our first big live show.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: But, Cindy, all I can say is, you say it was about the life and times of the show hosts, but thankfully it wasn't about the life and lies of the show hosts, right, Laura?

Laura: This is true.

Jamie: This is very true. Micah, what do you think about that?

Micah: I missed what you said there.

Jamie: You mean, you weren't listening?

Micah: No, no. I couldn't understand what you said. The second half of it.

[Jamie laughs]

Micah: It wasn't about... [laughs]

Jamie: I said that - she said that it was about the life and times of the show hosts, but thankfully it wasn't about the life and lies. Because we don't like NC-17 podcasts, do we, Micah?

Micah: No, we don't.

[Jamie and Laura laugh]

Jamie: Okay, Andrew has just ordered some new equipment to help make the show better. It's extremely exciting; he's absolutely pumped about it. I don't know much about audio equipment, but it involves something called a mixer, some microphones, and he's extremely excited. He's trying to turn his bedroom into a studio-type setting. And this is going to help a lot on live shows, because many of the problems we experienced on that live show were due to trying to pump too much information through Skype, too much through Ustream, and not using appropriate equipment. But hopefully this is going to solve a lot of things, because we'll be able to play music more effectively, take calls more effectively, and all that kind of stuff. I'm extremely excited about that.

Laura: Yeah, it's going to be pretty awesome.

Jamie: I still long for the day when we all get our studio, and we all live close by, and we can all fly into it.

Laura: Oh, I know!

Jamie: And...

Laura: We were actually talking about that the other day, how cool it would be if one day we just had a headquarters...

Jamie: Aw, that'd be so cool.

Laura: ...and - oh my God. Okay. [laughs] I can't talk about that, I'll get excited. But anyway...

Jamie: I was going to say, let's take a moment to dream about that quickly...

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Jamie: ...because it's not going to happen. [laughs]

[Laura laughs]

Announcement: Pickle Pack

Jamie: Pickle Pack is open for one more week. It's been open for a week already, and after this it will closed permanently until the end of this year when everyone's subscription runs out. For everyone wondering what you get if you sign up now, because obviously it's been quite awhile since the first sign-up date, you get all of the Blickles, all of the bonus content since then until now, and you get everything else until the end date. The only thing you don't get is a badge on your profile, which says, "Original Pickle," which we devised to - so everyone who signed up before got something on their profile. And you also don't get a t-shirt. But you get all the bonus stuff. Only one more week to go, and so...

Laura: And you're not paying thirty dollars this time if you register. You're paying twenty-five. Is that right?

Jamie: Yes, Laura, you're absolutely right. Twenty-five. Because you don't get a t-shirt, we have reduced the price slightly. So you have one more week to go. Please sign up, it's very, very, very enjoyable.

Laura: Yeah, and for those of you who don't know, maybe we should explain what Blickles are really quick? For anybody who's not...

Jamie: That's a good point, yeah. Blickles are - we have on Pickle Pack seven different segments for each of the show hosts. And one - each show host has one day per week where they post their Blickle. And now, a Blickle is a word that has been created out of a combination of the word "pickle" and - what was the other one? - "blog."

Laura: Mhm.

Jamie: A Blickle. So it's a video blog, or a writing blog, every week from the show hosts, which says about what's happening in their lives, Harry Potter news, discussion, normal news. What has there been? There's been lip-synching songs, room tours, tours of the places where they live...

Laura: I played Guitar Hero.

Jamie: Laura played Guitar Hero, Andrew and his little brother modeled the Pickle Pack t-shirts. There's been a whole host of stuff. And there are about a 150 bits of bonus content, I think, on there now. So if you sign up now, you have quite a bit of stuff to get through, with all the new stuff being released as well. We have a new piece every single day. So, one more week to go. We hope you get to sign up if you want to.

Laura: Mhm, absolutely.

Announcement: Ringtones

Jamie: Ringtones. Now, this is Andrew's baby, but it's a bit about ringtones. We have a website now where you can get Wizard Rock singles on your phone. You can get - what else can you get? You can get other bits of music from the show. And we hope soon to have the main theme tune on a ringtone. We'll put a link in the show notes so you can download those and get them on your phone. And then if your phone rings in a place where there are MuggleCast fans, somebody will say, "Oh, wow! I know that! Do you listen to MuggleCast?" "Yeah, I do." And then you make new friends through shared interests, which is always good, isn't it, Laura?

Laura: Absolutely. I mean, who wouldn't want their phone to ring and Andrew's voice to play? [laughs]

Jamie: Precisely. I can't think of a single person in this world - I mean, personally, I'd love it. Wouldn't you?

Laura: Oh, I would, too. I'm going to buy one right after we record.

Jamie: [laughs] Buy one after you record. I've already got ten, Laura. Come on, now. Catch up.

Laura: Oh, my God. Fail.

Jamie: I won't ask Micah, because he hasn't even seen the fifth film...

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: how could he have a ringtone - a Harry Potter ringtone? We go to some rebuttals now.

Micah: Come on! It's not like I don't know what happens!

Jamie: Yeah, well...

Laura: No, you don't. That's the problem.

Jamie: You do talk about it every week.

Micah: I did read the book.

Jamie: Well done! Your medal is in the post as we speak. Okay, now we go to some rebuttals, but we're thinking of calling them them a different name because they aren't all rebuttals. They used to be, but now they're just bits of mail, stuff that people want to talk about. So we're thinking of renaming them "Muggle Mail." What do you guys think?

Laura: Yeah, that sounds fine to me. Muggle Mail.

Micah: Yeah, it's a cool name.

Jamie: Or we could call them "Micah Hasn't Seen the Fifth Film Mail."

Laura: [laughs] I think we should change the name of this show to "Micah Hasn't Seen the Fifth Film Cast."

Jamie: I agree, I agree. Get the word out, Micah! You should go and see it now, before we put the show out so you can redeem yourself.

Laura: You'd better see it by the time we record next.

Micah: Or?

Laura: Or you're in big trouble.

Muggle Mail: Fred's Death

Jamie: Very big trouble. You're in deep water. Very, very deep water. Okay, our first piece of Muggle Mail comes from Emily, 20, from Reading, Pennsylvania.

"Hi, MuggleCast. I'm not sure if you've already discussed this, but I'm having problems coming to terms with one particular death in 'Deathly Hallows.' Why do you think Fred died? I've heard several theories, mostly that his death was simply a by-product of the Weasley family being so large, the idea that there is - that there is that the family couldn't escape some kind of death. But the theory doesn't make much sense to me. Look at the number of times they've been hurt and/or almost died. I really would like to hear your thoughts. Thanks a bunch. This is a great program. Good luck this semester. Emily."


Laura: I think that it's exactly what you just said. The Weasley family is enormous, and Molly said so herself in the fifth book that it would be a miracle if they all got out of it alive. The chances of them all getting out without dying would be between slim and none. It's just such a huge family. You're bound to have some kind of casualty, especially if you're all fighting.

Jamie: Yeah, exactly. And also, more than that, it's - Fred and George just seem like that pair that would not be split up, you know? And the humorous side, to me, sort of showed that humor can sort of - when you laugh, you forget the bad stuff that's happening in the world, which is kind of true, but then his death shows that this war was a serious, serious war. Even people who are so close, powerful, confident people, can also be torn apart. Not in the literal sense, but in the - their affinity can be torn apart. But also, yeah, that their family was so big that somebody had to go. [laughs] That sounds mean, but I think it is true. Micah?

Laura: It's really sad - go ahead, Micah.

Jamie: No, sorry, go on.

Micah: No, go ahead, Laura.

Laura: I was just going to say that it's really sad because there was one point, I think in - it was Half-Blood Prince where they had the U-No-Poo sign up in their window...

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: ...and Mrs. Weasley was like, "They'll be murdered in their beds," or something like that.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: And then Fred dies, and I was just like "No!" It's so sad.

Jamie: [laughs] I agree. It is sad. And it was an incredibly sad death. And to some people - quite a few people - completely unnecessary. But it's - there were obviously more deaths that happened in this war that we just didn't see.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: And people think that if Jo doesn't write about deaths then they don't happen. Well, I kind of used to think that, then I realized, but there are other people dying who aren't significant enough to be written about. They have to be main characters that die or it just completely loses its credibility, if that kind of makes sense.

Laura: Yeah, absolutely.

Jamie: Micah?

Micah: I think in one of the previous episodes I said that I thought one of them - I actually thought both of them were going to die, based off of that whole mention of Molly's brothers dying in the previous war and them having similar initials.

Laura: Oh yeah, that's right.

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: But - and I was actually trying look at J.K. Rowling's chat that she did on the web after the book came out, but I couldn't find anything related to Fred's death and why she killed him. I just - I don't know. I think after what happened in the second chapter, where they're being chased and George has his ear sliced off...

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: ...I just got the feeling that one of them was going to go, because you have all these near-death experiences so far. You go back to what happened in Order of the Phoenix with Arthur, and then George in the beginning of Deathly Hallows, Ginny in Chamber of Secrets, and Ron has a couple of close calls in Deathly Hallows as well. It just - it made sense that one of them was going to go. I mean, even J.K. Rowling was talking about, back in - how - was it Arthur that she spared in Order of the Phoenix?

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: He was supposed to die.

Jamie: But then he didn't, yeah.

Micah: He ended up not dying. So, unfortunately, one of them...

Jamie: Had to go.

Micah: ...had to go.

Jamie: And it just unfortunately happened to be Fred. But it is an extremely sad death, and it hurt quite a few people.

Laura: Yeah, myself included.

Jamie: Really? Aww...

Laura: Well, yeah, you remember me. It was probably the last 75 pages of the book, I was just in tears the whole time. I was like, "No! Oh my God! Why?"

[Jamie laughs]

Micah: It should have been Percy.

Laura: And then Andrew just sat there and laughed at me the whole time.

Jamie: I remember that. That was incredibly funny. I'm not going to lie.

Laura: [laughs] You guys are mean. I don't like you.

Jamie: No, no. But, Laura, it wasn't that it was funny that you were crying. It was how you were doing it, which was just genius.

Laura: What do you mean, how I was doing it?

Jamie: Well, you'd read a page, curse pretty badly, burst into tears...

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: ...recover, read a page, curse even worse, burst into - exactly. So it was like a repetitive cycle with recoveries in between. And Andrew was making it funnier by going, "Oh, oh!" You know, that kind of stuff.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: It was...

Laura: That's true.

Jamie: But I tried to act professional and be like, "Well, it's an emotional time, Andrew. You've got to, you know..."

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Were you okay through Dobby, though?

Laura: Yeah, I actually didn't cry when Dobby died. It was really sad, but I didn't cry.

Jamie: Aww.

Laura: Like, at that point, I was just like - I don't know, it was probably like three in the morning or something, and I don't know. We were all really tired when we were reading.

Micah: Because he's a House-elf he doesn't matter as much? Is that what you're saying?

[Jamie laughs]

Laura: No, it was almost too sad for tears. It was like...

Jamie: Oh, good save, Laura! Good save.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: "Too sad for tears," ugh! How many times have I heard that one? I think I'm just hard as rock, to be honest, but I only cried for Sirius.

Laura: Oh, really?

Jamie: Oh, wait! Oh, I - okay, well, that's different when Book 7 came out. That is a completely different circumstance, but only for...

Laura: You made me cry. That was the worst part.

Jamie: Sorry, sorry.

Laura: I was perfectly fine, and then all of a sudden Jamie comes over and hugs me. He's like, "Laura, this has been our lives!"

[Jamie and Laura laugh]

Laura: And then I just lost it.

Jamie: Aww! I know, that was sad. But Sirius to me was just - he's probably my favorite liturgy - litratry - can't say it now - character of all time. He's just so - and the stuff he - he was so flawed, but so nice at the same time. And I think I just might go and cry now for a bit and then come back and restart the show.

Laura: Aww.

Harry Potter Vibrating Broom

Jamie: Now, following the show schedule that we type up every week, we're up to number six in it. And that is "Harry Potter vibrating broom." I know nothing about this.

Laura: Me neither.

Jamie: I think it could be a bit risky to talk about this if I know nothing about it. Laura, do you know anything about it? Or does Micah - do you know anything about it?

Micah: No.

Laura: I don't know anything about it, and considering...

Jamie: I suggest we skip this and leave it for Andrew next week. Which brings us...

Micah: I think it was a tactic by Andrew...

Jamie: Huh?

Micah: throw it in there...

Jamie: I think it could be.

Micah: just make us say something completely inappropriate on the show and...

Jamie: Yeah. That probably...

Micah: ...see if we actually did it.

Laura: Well, that goes to show what he knows, because we don't have bad minds on this show. At least, the three of us don't. We're not perverted.

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