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Andrew: Because we've got some controversy on our hands, this is MuggleCast Episode 118 for November 3rd, 2007.

[Show music starts]

Listener Issue

Andrew: All right, we are going to start the show this week with a new segment here on the show. It's called "Listener, Please Stop Listening To Our Show E-mail of the Week."

[Eric chuckles]

Andrew: This is a brand new segment, it may be the last time, or you know? It could be the first of many. Anyway, this is from Alex P. of Fresno, CA, age 16. Keep that in mind for when we get to the e-mail part. [lets out a sigh] Heard of us through iTunes, the subject is "Gay Dumbledore = Bad." Her message, "On Episode 117, you were talking about how Dumbledore is gay. I was extremely disappointed when I found out. You guys were saying that people that were opposed to that were immature, or needed to get more open-minded. It's really not right to say that someone who does not support gay people needs to grow up. People are entitled to their own decisions, but that was the bad decision on Dumbledore's part."

[Laura and Andrew laugh]

Laura: Oh my god.

Andrew: Oh, god. [continues to read message] "It should have said it was a decision on your part." Anyway, she made it worse than it already is. She goes on to say, "Homosexuality is morally wrong. There's a reason that gay couples can't have children. It is against nature. Gay = bad, evil, perverted." End of e-mail. Anyone else want to respond to this one first?

Eric: Gay peoples can have children. They just adopt.

Andrew: Yes.

Laura: Yeah, and I would like to hear what you think about sterile couples, sterile heterosexuals. Apparently, people who can't have children are evil and perverted?

Andrew: No, no, no. They're just against nature.

Laura: Oh, okay. [laughs] That, too.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Laura: All right, we're good.

Eric: Ah, geez.

Andrew: So, thank you Alex for that e-mail, and listener, please stop listening to our show. I'm Andrew Sims.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull.

Laura: And I'm Laura Thompson.


Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in MuggleCast News Center with the past weeks Harry Potter news stories. Hey, Micah.

Micah: All right, thanks Andrew. Casting for extras in the sixth Harry Potter film, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, took place recently where many young students lined up before the casting team.

Marketing manager Sharon Bird said: "The whole experience becomes a huge part of school life and children really enjoy being part of what is probably the biggest movie series in history."

During the first 48 hours of its release, the French translation of Deathly Hallows sold 1.15 million copies. This breaks the previous record of 800,000 set by Half-Blood Prince.

J.K. Rowling updated the News Section of her official site earlier today saying that she could not approve of "companion books" or "encyclopedias" to her series. The Harry Potter author and Warner Bros. filed suit in a Manhattan Court today against Harry Potter Lexicon owner Steve Vander Ark and several defendants for publishing "an unofficial encyclopedic companion to the Harry Potter series," saying it "infringes copyright and attempts to cash in on the successful brand."

The Harry Potter Lexicon is slated to be released by RDR Books on November 28. Roger Rapoport, the publisher and owner of RDR Books said the companion novel "only promotes the sale of J.K. Rowling's work and we intend to publish on schedule as planned."

In addition to being able to view the past wizards of the month, and door openings, as well as a few new prizes another update was made to J.K. Rowling's official website which was announced in the news section that not only has Jo written The Tales of Beetle the Bard, the book of fairy tales mentioned in Deathly Hallows, but also that the 7th of these rare items will be auctioned for charity. The charity that Jo has selected is the Children's Voice and the book will have a starting price of 30,000 pounds.

Finally, Equus, the West End play starring Potter stars Dan Radcliffe and Richard Griffiths, is coming to Broadway in September of 2008. The production was rumored to move over to the United States, but some wondered if Dan would be able to do it because of his Half Blood Prince filming schedule. The Daily Mail also has an article on the story and notes that rehearsals are said to begin in August.

That is all the news for this November 3rd, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

News Discussion: Equus to Broadway

Andrew: All right, thank you Micah. A few interesting news stories to discuss this week. First of all, it was announced Friday, good news for all you Dan Radcliffe fans in the New England area. Dan Radcliffe and Richard Griffiths are coming to Broadway for Equus. Yay!

Laura: Now, doesn't that... Now, here I have a question.

Andrew: Okay.

Laura: Wouldn't you feel insanely disappointed if you found out that they were coming to Broadway for Equus and you had spent hundreds of dollars to fly to England and see it when it first came out.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Well - well, no.

Laura: On the West End.

Eric: Unless...

Laura: I mean, I would feel incredibly stupid. [laughs]

Andrew: To be honest, I did not think of that at all when I read this story. I was happy for Dan and I'm still happy that I went to England. Because we did that podcast for fans, too. I think that was the same time that I was out there.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, I think it was, too.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, it was. Yeah, so what are you saying, Laura? Those fans didn't deserve the first-ever, live England MuggleCast?

Laura: Well - okay, you can't make inferences like that. That's ridiculous.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I would never say anything like that. I'm just digging at you. I'm just giving you a hard time.

Andrew: Oh, okay. Well no, to be honest with you, I'm glad I went to see it in England. Because it's the West End, it's a very cool place to see it. It was one of the - it wasn't one of the first shows, but it was the first time they were putting on that play with Dan in it. So...

Eric: So, you were one of the...

Andrew: I thought it was worth it.

Laura: I'm just giving you a hard time.

Eric: If you went and saw Dan in England you were one of the...

Laura: Just keeping you on your toes.

Eric: ...the upper echelon. The first couple million fans who saw him naked.

Andrew: Yeah, right.

Eric: And now so all the New Englanders, they're just getting what's left of Dan after so many prying eyes. You know?

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: Sloppy seconds.

Andrew: I'm going to be like - whenever someone goes and sees it up in New York and they're like, "Oh my god! I saw it!" I'm going to be like, "Psht. That was so last March."

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Nice.

Eric: No, but...

Laura: So, is anybody going to go see it?

Eric: Yeah, I will.

Laura: Are you going to go see it again, Andrew?

Andrew: I'll see it again, yeah. I mean it's in New York City, that'd be stupid if I didn't go. Laura, would you see it now that you're in this area?

Laura: Yeah, absolutely. I'd love to go see it. It would be great.

Eric: And Richard Griffiths, I'm glad that Richard Griffiths is also coming back. Because I've heard amazing things.

Andrew: He's worth it.

Eric: He's totally, I mean just from what I've...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And he was in, also guys, The History Boys. Are you familiar with that play?

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Yes, he's really good in that as well. I mean, I haven't seen him in much. But I've seen him in that, as well. And it's just I really like Richard Griffiths. I think he's really an incredible actor.

Andrew: Mhm. Yeah, I agree. There are a couple issues this raises. First of all, personally I think the American audience is going to be a lot younger, for starters. I mean, I honestly think there's going to be a lot of teenage Harry Potter fans showing up for this play. Especially the first couple of weeks. I just think it's going to be primarily - maybe not primarily, but it may be close to the majority of...

Eric: I disagree, Andrew.

Andrew: ...people who attend will be Harry Potter fans. Just because I think that the fan girls here are different. They'd be more into making sure they go see that. You disagree, Eric?

Laura: Yeah, well I mean, just look at the amount of people who came to New York, even though they weren't getting into the reading in October, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Just like - and you look at all the groups of people on Facebook who are like, "I'm going to go to New York for this random event, even though I'm not getting in."

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: So, it just wouldn't surprise me if all of these people that we know, [laughs] get together and just fill up a Broadway theater.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: To see Equus together.

Eric: Well Andrew, you've seen the Equus show, so would you say that it's - I don't want to say a coming-of-age tale, because that's sort of like December Boys. But is it - I mean it's dark. It's a dark play.

Andrew: It is very dark. Yeah, I think once people get in and see it and they feel the mood of the play, they may not go like - they may not be like, "Oh my god, Dan!" They'll treat it like as an adult.

Eric: Like art.

Andrew: They'll be adult and they won't scream when Dan takes his pants off. You know, stuff like that. Because it is a very serious play and I think they will look at it that way.

Eric: So, I mean if they're intelligent enough they'll take the serious tones of it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But I mean, it's not the easiest thing to just to waltz in and see a Broadway show. It does cost a bit of money, you have to know where to go to get seats.

Andrew: Ticketmaster, you know? Stuff like that.

Eric: Oh yeah, yeah. Fair enough, fair enough. But like I said, I would see it. Even if - I think even if Dan Radcliffe... Well, no. I just - I was going to say that if Dan Radcliffe weren't coming to Broadway, but Richard Griffiths was, I still might go see it. But then it would be somebody else just getting naked. And I'd be like, "Ok, that's kind of creepy." So...

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Nevermind.

Andrew: Well, one other issue I think this raises is Half-Blood Prince is released November 21st. So, if this is starting on Broadway sometime in September and the film is supposed to come out two months later, how long is Equus actually going to be running? I mean, it could only be for like a month.

Laura: But some Broadway shows go forever.

Eric: So are you saying... Well, I think maybe...

Laura: You know?

Andrew: Well this isn't so much a show. It's not like a musical in that sense.

Eric: So, youre saying...

Laura: Yeah, but I mean a lot - Stuff doesn't just come and go there, does it?

Eric: No, it doesn't.

Andrew: No, I don't think so, but there's going to have to be a break of at least a few weeks, because Dan's going to have to go back over to London for the premiere. He's going to have to probably go to LA for the premiere, although maybe since he's - do you think the premiere's location, the US premiere's location, would be influenced at all by Dan being in New York City in the first place?

Eric: Well, I think he'll...

Laura: It could be. And I mean, they're usually in New York. It was a little bit odd that they did it in LA this last time, wasn't it?

Eric: Yeah, it was.

Andrew: Yeah, they did a lot of things differently this year, but they did have the Chamber of Secrets premiere in LA if I'm correct.

Laura: I felt like they did two premieres, or maybe it wasn't for Chamber. I just felt like they did one in New York and one in LA for Chamber of Secrets.

Andrew: Maybe they did.

Laura: I don't remember.

Andrew: Were you going to say something? Oh, sorry.

Laura: But you are right about that.

Andrew: Yeah, I mean, maybe I guess they can take a break of a few weeks and then go back into it, but then, you have to wonder, isn't Dan going to want a break after the movie comes out? I mean, he's going to be busy doing all that press.

Eric: No, no, no, I think at this point, he's a trained actor. He's done it on Equus, why would he even say yes to doing it on Broadway if he wasn't ready for doing it six months on end? I mean, what they usually do on Broadway is they have like stand-in actors, they'll have understudies that will come up and do the role if he's gone.

Andrew: Oh, that's true.

Eric: And if you think about it, if they time it correctly, the show itself won't come to a halt just because Dan has to go to world premieres. He'll just miss certain showings of it and people will just know to stay away if they don't want to not see him.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Can you imagine how bad that would suck if you went with the expectation of seeing Dan and you just booked your tickets and didn't think about the time you were going?

Eric: Well didn't that happen to Leaky, they didn't see Richard Griffiths, or something? Somebody had an understudy that was going on?

Andrew: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, when Melissa and John went they didn't see Richard Griffiths.

Eric: And that's upsetting.

Andrew: For the record, to clear something up real quick, you were right, Laura. They did have a New York and Los Angeles premiere for Chamber of Secrets.

Laura: Oh cool.

Eric: Yeah, because I almost won the "Be on the Red Carpet" thing for that. That was cool.

Andrew: Oh, really? [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, it was Kids WB, the television channel.

Andrew: Oh, okay. Do you have to watch Pokemon and watch for the secret code?

Eric: You do. You did. You wait for the code.

Andrew: Yeah, I knew it.

Eric: Yeah, and I got a poster out of it. I did win a promo poster.

Andrew: Cool. It was worth it.

Eric: Some eight-year-old won the actual prize.

Laura: Jerk.

Andrew: Yeah. So that's it with that. We'll continue updating everyone with more developments. I guess the only other news we're going to wait to hear is exactly what Dan Radcliffe's plans are going to be, especially around the Half-Blood Prince movie release, and also where the play is actually going to be, which theater. I mean, it's also worth noting, I guess this means that filming is going to be done by early August at the very latest, because Dan's going to be in the United States come August for rehearsals.

Eric: Filming only takes about four months, maybe.

Andrew: No, it's longer than that.

Eric: Is it?

Laura: No, on these it's a lot longer. They said it was like 11 months, didn't they?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Oh, really? Well I know Natalie Tena, yeah, Nymphadora Tonks, and Lupin and all of them are filming in November of this year, though, so this month is when they're going to be there.

Andrew: Well, yeah, but I mean, Dan's everywhere, so he has to be there to film.

Eric: Yeah, true, true. Yeah.

Andrew: So that's interesting. That is great news, because it has been a rumor for awhile, and I'm sure all the fangirls are looking forward to that. I know I am. I'm not really, I mean whatever. I'll get a ticket if you guys want to go. I'm not going to make it a special priority.

Laura: Yeah, okay. Yeah, sure. And then next thing you know, you will be.

Andrew: Well, I don't know.

Laura: No, I'll probably go. It'll be fun.

Eric: Yeah, we should all go together.

Laura: Yeah, use it as an excuse to hang out again.

Andrew: Yeah, we could talk about it on the podcast all over again.

Laura: What?

Andrew: We can talk about it on the podcast again, like, you know Jamie and I already reviewed it.

Laura: Oh, yeah.

Eric: Yeah, we'll do a podcast.

News Discusion: JKR Site Updates

Andrew: So, in other news now, there were quite a - there were some good stories this week. I like this news week. Something sort of depressing, I guess, there are no more Wizards of the Month on Or at least it can be assumed, because the calendar on, which was for the past - oh, god, since the site started.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: It's been over two years now, I think there's 42 wizards total. So for the past 42 months, there's been wizards, now it's replaced with a Wizard of the Month archive, and you can go through all of them and see all the pictures and descriptions. So we had talked last month, we wondered, now we're up to Harry Potter, what wizard can come after Harry Potter being featured as wizard of the month? And that explains it. No wizard can come after Harry Potter. So, now we are without Wizard of the Month on

Laura: That stinks. You know what I wonder?

Eric: I mean, it did go into archive mode

Laura: Did she ever do any other characters, like Ron and Hermione on those?

Andrew: No.

Laura: I just, I don't know, I figured she would have done them.

Andrew: Well, for those of you who are MuggleNet-savvy, you will know that we have always had a Wizard of the Month archive up on MuggleNet. I've been maintaining that section since like I started and joined onto MuggleNet. That was like my big thing. I was like "Emerson, I have an idea. Let's make a Info Section." And Emerson was like, "Great idea. Do it." So I did it.

Laura: We should all share our stories about how we got hired sometime. That could be interesting.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, we might as well on this show, because it's not...

Laura: Yeah, there's nothing going on.

Andrew: And then there's also a Room of Requirement archive up now, so those are two big parts of the site that are now gone. And I guess...

Eric: So does this mean that I can take the WOMBATs now?

Andrew: No, I think the WOMBATs are long gone, too. I don't think you're going to have any luck doing that.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: But, hey, let's see there's some other news.

Eric: Yeah, there's another book coming out.

News Discussion: Tales of Beetle the Bard

Andrew: Someone IMed me, my friend back here at home, the other day, and was like, "See, she is doing an eighth book." No, no. J.K. Rowling is going to auction The Tales of Beedle the Bard." Of course it was in Deathly Hallows and now she's - she hand wrote it, and she drew her own sketches and such inside of it. So, it's going to be quite the collector's item. Of course there's only going - okay, maybe I'm a little confused about this whole story. Are there seven of these books?

Laura: Yes.

Andrew: It's the same thing, they all have the same stories in them?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Or each book...

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh, okay, because I always thought each book had a different story, but I guess not.

Laura: No, I think they all have the same stuff, and she gave six of them...

Eric: Yes, but are they all handwritten? Did she handwrite the same stories seven times?

Andrew: I can't imagine, that would be...

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Then again, she did sign 2,000 books per reading, so...

Eric: Yeah, she really likes - but that's what confused me, just the terms. Like, handwritten items, I was like, well...

Andrew: Well, yeah, but...

Eric: But I assume that's just as opposed to typed, so they can sort of have a copy of her handwriting, and, you know?

Andrew: Yeah. [pause] Well, sorry, I'm just reading what's on J.K. Rowling's website right now. I don't think she says--well, yeah. "I therefore decided to hand-write a limited number of copies of The Tales of Beedle the Bard."

Laura: Wow.

Andrew: So, yeah.

Laura: They're probably not that long.

Andrew: Yeah, and she said each has a dedication, so...

Eric: Well, I assume - yeah.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Hmmm, interesting. Do you guys, think, though...

Andrew: No.

Eric: ...that we'll be seeing these -assuming somebody with...

Andrew: No.

Eric: Like, do you think we'll ever see them?

Laura: No, because she gave six of them away.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: And she's auctioning one.

Eric: Well, somebody else - I was just reading on I think it was, it wasn't, it was just one of the news sites. It said, "J.K. Rowling to publish first non-Potter book." Actually that was AOL. It said "J.K. Rowling..."

Andrew: Yeah, that was a very misleading title. I saw that too.

Eric: That was incredibly misleading. That was like, what the heck? Because it says, "JKR to publish first non-Potter book," and I'm like, first of all, it's not even published. There's only seven copies in the world, and it's like, wow. The news is just completely wrong and misleading in this case.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: As it very often is.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Right. This is just another example. I mean, they say "first non-Potter book."

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: And I'm like, wow, is this really a non-Potter book to begin with? I mean, that's debatable. Because I think the stories are--I mean, "Babbity Rabbity and her Cackling Stump?" I would pay 62 million pounds.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Or 62,000 pounds to read that.

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