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Andrew: Because we are l-l-l-live, this is MuggleCast Episode 119 for November 10th, 2007!

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Andrew: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen! Welcome to MuggleCast Live. It is 3:01 PM Eastern Standard Time here on the eastern seaboard. Micah and Laura are here.

Laura: Hey, everybody.

Micah: Hey.

Andrew: And not loud enough. Try that again.

Laura: Hey!

Andrew: There we go.

Micah: Hey!


Andrew: Yay! We're going start the show off this week with a fun new segment. This is called Listener-Please-Stop-Listening-To-Our-Show-You-Have-A-Dirty-Mouth-E-mail-Of-The-Week. Micah.

Micah: All right. The first one comes from Eric, 38, of Dallas, Texas. And he said:

"Dear MuggleCast, I was listening to the last episode of MuggleCast and could not believe my ears. I mean what the bleep is up with all the bleeping cursing? I thought this was a family friendly show; what a crock of bleep. If you don't all figure out how to edit the bleeping show properly, I'll have to come and bleep-slap the group of you. Jesus bleeping Christ, get your bleep together and stop with all the family unfriendly talk."

Andrew: Uh...okay!

Micah: Well, we should add that Eric was just kidding. He said:

"Great show, guys. Seriously, I will keep listening and laughing as I do."

Andrew: Oh, okay. That was funny. Yeah, so the reason for that e-mail [laughs] is last week I accidentally left in a naughty, naughty word.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Said by Laura.

Laura: Yeah, thanks.

Andrew: [laughs] No problem! And I was like, "Laura I'm so sorry! I missed the thing, I wasn't paying attention!" Listen, it happens on the show. I mean, we say it when we're recording all the time.

Laura: Oh yeah, a lot, really.

Micah: Hopefully it doesn't happen today, though.

Andrew: No, because we are live today on UStream and we have right now over 500 listeners on the UStream feed, so things are going good so far. We've got a couple things to talk about on this week's show. We're going start it off as a normal show; we're not going to be taking calls until later in the episode. So we're going jump right into some news stories, unless, Micah, you want to read off the news to us and treat it like a pre-recorded show.

Micah: Umm...

Andrew: You don't have to. [laughs]

Micah: I don't really have the news right now...

Andrew: That'd be awkward.

Micah: that's not going to happen.

Andrew: Okay. That'd be awkward. [laughs]

Micah: Very awkward.

News: Jo Candidate for TIME's Person of the Year

Andrew: So we'll start off with something that we've been seeing really every year. I mean, it's a good story, but it never actually happens. Jo is being considered once again for TIME Person of the Year, and they have pros and cons for each candidate that they're considering. And the pros for Jo: "She finished a seven-book epic that will be read by children and lots of adults for generations to come, slowly creeping up on Agatha [pronounces A-GATH-a] Christie..."

Laura: Ag...

Andrew: Huh?

Laura: [pronounces Ag-a-tha] Agatha.

Andrew: Agatha. "...Agatha Christie as the most read author not named Shakespeare." And the con - the con, the reason why Jo should not be Person of the Year: "Seventh book wasn't her best and hard to argue that she was the most important person of 2007." So I thought we should talk about why we think - well, first of all, I think she's certainly a very good candidate for Person of the Year. Don't you guys think so?

Laura: Yeah. I think so, too, and I think that that's really cruddy reasoning to say that the seventh book wasn't her best. It's all really a matter of opinion, I think. A lot of people really liked the seventh book. A lot of people didn't, and, I mean, if you want to say that she wasn't the most important person of 2007, who was last year's person?

Andrew: You!

Laura: You.

Andrew: You!

Laura: I don't think that "you"...

[Micah laughs]

Laura: ...were the most important person of 2007.

Andrew: Hey! That's kind of mean. You mean 2006?

Laura: 2000 - you know what I mean!

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Whatever! But I mean, she finished this epic series in 2007, so why shouldn't she have it?

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, I - there's no - they don't give a good reason why she shouldn't be. Just because the seventh book - if they think it wasn't her best, why does that mean she shouldn't - it's about the series as a whole, not just that one book.

Micah: Right. I agree.

Laura: Mhm.

Micah: You're talking about a culmination of a seven-part series. If at any time she deserved the award, I think it would be now.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: And you should also factor in all the charity work that she does. I mean, she raises so much money probably every single year for so many different charities that I think that would touch on sort of the international community as well. Not just her books but her charity work.

Andrew: Yeah. I agree with that. And, you know, also, it's just like, you wonder who else they're nominating. I don't have the list up right now. Let me get it up real quick. Let's see here. Loading, loading, loading, loading, loading. Well, J.K. Rowling is currently ranking number one right now, but that's because all the fan sites were like "Go vote for her." In number two spot: Al Gore. Number three: Steve Jobs. Obama's number four. Clinton's number five - Hilary Clinton is number five. General David Petraeus is number six. Condoleezza Rice is seven. Hu Jintao - I don't know who that is. Hu Jintao. Laura, do you know? Or Micah?

Laura: No, but please tell me that General Petraeus and Condoleezza Rice will not win over J.K. Rowling, because I would cry.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I would cry anguished tears. Oh my God.

Andrew: Vladimir Putin's number nine, and Mahmoud...

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: ...[mumbles and mispronounces Ahmadinejad] is number ten.

Laura: Oh my God.

Andrew: First of all, let's go through this list. Obama and Clinton. They're not Person of the Year unless they win the election next year, I don't think.

Laura: And that wouldn't even be this year.

Andrew: Yeah. You're right. Steve Jobs, he's very cool, but he invented the iPhone. It's - as much as an Apple fan that I am, I can't - is he that great? [laughs] Does he deserve it? No.

Laura: Yeah. I don't think so.

Andrew: Let's see. Who else? We got Al Gore. Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize this year. That's definitely something.

Laura: Yeah, I think that that is definitely justified.

Andrew: Yeah, but he got - come on, what's the Person of the Year Award compared to the Nobel Peace Prize? It's nothing. Condi, Laura, basically said that...

Laura: No.

Andrew:, yeah. I mean [sighs] it's hard. It's hard. I'm going to make that the UStream poll right now. I mean, I have a feeling everyone's going to vote for Jo anyway, but, Micah, what do you think? Do you think that Jo's a good candidate for Person of the Year?

Micah: Yeah, definitely. I mean, there's always going be people on here who are sort of more worldly individuals, but I think that she sits right up there thus far. I mean, before talking about her charity work and then talking about just the influence she's had on the entire world, not necessarily one country. You know, you look at Putin or whatever - I'm not even going to try and pronounce his name - in Iran, but - I don't know. I don't really see how much competition she's going to have from these other people.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] I...

Micah: Who's affected that many people throughout the world, aside from her, in this particular group of people?

Andrew: I don't think there's anyone.

Laura: Yeah. I mean, a lot of those people have definitely affected some people. A couple of them not as good as others, but I really think that Jo has the farthest outreach, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I mean - and I'm sure I'm going to get e-mails from people saying, "Well, we have the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China, we have the head of Iran, we have the President of Russia, so..."

Andrew: Right.

Micah: "...why are you saying that J.K. Rowling has more influence on these people?" But...

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: ...I think a large part she does.

Andrew: I have a feeling it'll be a political figure, because - just because of the war going on, and...

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: ...I don't know. I mean, it all depends who's sitting at that table at TIME Magazine, what they like. If they're all Harry Potter fans, I think J.K. Rowling would've been Person of the Year a long time ago. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah, that's true.

Andrew: But we'll...

Laura: Hasn't she been nominated before?

Andrew: Yeah, she has.

Laura: Yeah, that's what I thought.

Andrew: So whatever. We'll see what happens there. [sighs] I did enjoy being Person of the Year last year, though. That made me feel good about myself.

Laura: [laughs] Yeah, I bet it did.

News: Helen McCrory Cast as Narcissa Malfoy

Andrew: Helen McCrory was cast as Narcissa Malfoy. She was going to be cast as Bellatrix Lestrange, but then she got pregnant and so she couldn't film. Now they're taking her back. I guess WB must really like her a lot since they're giving her a second chance, and she's going to be Narcissa Malfoy. I'm happy with this, because she's sort of - she looks similar to - who plays Bellatrix?

Laura: Helena Bonham Carter.

Andrew: Right, yeah, sorry. They sort of look similar in their face, which would help when you're looking like sisters.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: So I think that's a good choice.

Laura: Yeah, I've seen a lot of people complaining, though, because Helen McCrory has dark hair and dark eyes.

Andrew: So?

Laura: Well, Narcissa's blonde.

Andrew: Well...

Laura: But I mean - and what I...

Andrew: ...Jason Isaacs wasn't a blonde. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah. All I wanted to say to address that, is there's this lovely thing called hair dye...

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: ...and wigs.

Andrew: And a wig.

Laura: And contacts.

Andrew: Yeah, someone actually said that to me the other day. They were like, "I don't think she looks like her." I'm like, "Well, once you get - once you throw a wig on her, you know..." Robbie Coltrane doesn't look like Hagrid.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Minerva...

Laura: No...

Andrew: [laughs] You know? Minerva McGonagall is not a spitting image of what's-her-face.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Maggie Smith.

Andrew: I've got to brush up on my actresses.

Laura: And Michael Gambon doesn't run around with his hippie beard.

Andrew: Right. [laughs] Yeah. Wigs, people, wigs!

Micah: Yup. Jason Isaacs - doesn't he wear a wig too?

Andrew: Yeah, that's what I said. Weren't you listening, Micah?

Micah: No.

Andrew: Oh. Okay, so...

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

News: Rowling Comments on Lexicon Situation

Andrew: Another news story: J.K. Rowling updates fans on the Harry Potter Lexicon situation. Of course, we had a little talk about this last week. And she wrote on her website:

"A judge in New York granted an order against RDR Books in respect to the proposed book The Harry Potter Lexicon. Such order applying to any proposed licensing of the book worldwide. Judge Patterson has imposed a restraining order on the publishers of the Lexicon, which will remain in place until February 2008. This means that the book cannot be completed, published or marketed until the court has had time to decide whether it would break the law if published in its present form." And Jo goes on to say, "I take no pleasure in the fact that publication has been prevented for the present. On the contrary, I feel massively disappointed that this matter had to come to court at all. Despite repeated requests, the publishers have refused to even countenance making any changes to the book to ensure that it does not infringe my rights." [sighs] Micah, what do you think about this? You weren't on the show last week. What do you think of this whole situation? Does Steve Vander Ark - should he stand by it and publish that darn book?

Micah: I think that he is in a tough situation because he allowed RDR Books to really respond for him instead of maybe try to do it himself. It seems that RDR Books has really taken the wrong approach here and not tried to work with Warner Bros. or J.K. Rowling in any way whatsoever, and that's kind of the feeling that Jo has been giving, I think, a lot of her fans the last couple weeks, is that this is an issue that has been tried to be worked out, and it doesn't seem like anybody on the side of the Lexicon or RDR Books is stepping up to try and make the situation one that's easy to work with.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I mean, just based on the last thing that she said, that the publishers have refused to make any changes. I know Warner Bros. - wasn't there a part where they asked to receive a copy of the book, and they said, "Well, why don't you just tell one of your workers to print the website?" You know, that kind of attitude, I don't really think, is something that is going to help them out at all. Just, "Oh, go and print the website, go and print the website. That's the book." I mean, I think if they would've sent a copy over, and Warner Bros. made whatever changes they felt were necessary, Jo made whatever changes she thought necessary, then it probably could've been worked out in the end.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. It's just a disappointing situation. I mean...

Laura: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: She's fairly disappointed, too.

Andrew: Who?

Laura: Jo. I mean...

Andrew: Oh, she's P.O.-ed! [laughs]

Laura: Well, I mean, it's not just that. You can tell that she's so disappointed that it's come down to this because she's been such a fan of the Lexicon, you know?

Andrew: Yeah. I'm waiting for the day that she retracts the fan site award.

Laura: Aw, I don't think she would do that.

Andrew: [laughs] I've been checking it, too, just in case, because, I don't know.

Laura: You are obnoxious. She would not do that.

Andrew: You never know, you never know. Well, who would've thought she would ever sue a fan site? [laughs]

Laura: Well, when they're trying to sell...

Andrew: Okay!

Laura: ...facts verbatim from her books, yeah.

News: Trio Responds to Dumbledore Being Gay

Andrew: Fine. Yeah. [laughs] And - okay, we don't want to talk about Dumbledore being gay much, but the trio did respond to the comments, and I thought their responses were pretty funny. So I do want to play them right now, and we'll talk about them. This is a report from ITM, [in English accent] so you're going to hear an English accent at first.

News Reporter: With a load of hormonal teenage witches and wizards running around Hogwarts, the love life of its elderly headmaster, Albus Dumbledore, was never really the focus until now...

[Laura whispers something]

Andrew: [whispering] Laura, you can't talk over; people hear you!

News Reporter: Harry Potter author, J.K. Rowling, recently outed the character as gay, to the shock of fans around the world...

Laura: [whispering] You can't hear it.

Andrew: [whispering] They can.

Laura: [whispering] Oh.

News Reporter: It was also a surprise to stars Daniel Radcliffe, Rupert Grint, and Emma Watson...

Andrew: [whispering] Yeah. We'll just pretend like you hear and then we'll know.

News Reporter: ...who played Harry, Ron, and Hermione in all five films.

Daniel Radcliffe: But I was just thinking, "Oh, she's winding them up," and then it came out in the papers, and I was like, "Oh, maybe she really, really means it then." I thought it was hilarious. And why shouldn't he be gay? He's never had a wife.

Andrew: Good point, Dan Radcliffe. Dan Radcliffe says in this video - if you didn't hear, Laura, just now - Dan Radcliffe says in this video, guys, "Why shouldn't he be gay? He never had a wife!" And Dan was totally cool with it, and he thought the same thing I did, which - when she first announced it, he thought Jo was just messing with him at first - messing with us, the fans, first, but then it turned out to be true.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: So the best part of this video is from Rupert. They basically cut him off halfway through the set. [laughs] It's pretty funny; here it is.

Rupert Grint: I was quite shocked, really, because you don't really expect it.

Emma Watson: It makes sense...

Andrew: Cut, cut! [laughs] Mid-sentence! He's like, "Oh, I didn't really expect it, but..." cut to Emma. Yeah, Rupert, a man of many words there. And then Emma's response.

Emma Watson: I was like, "Yeah, it fits together," so...

News Reporter: The gang had currently...

Andrew: "It fits together," says Emma, it fits together. I have a feeling she wasn't really - like someone just broke the news to her. So she was just like, "Oh! It fits."

Laura: Yeah. I don't know.

Andrew: [whispering] Do you guys not care about Dumbledore being gay?

Laura: Well, I didn't know if you were still playing something!

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I couldn't hear it! And to be honest, I'm so tired of Dumbledore being gay! Dumbledore, stop being gay!

Andrew: Well, hey, hey, hey...

Laura: Stop talking...

Andrew: That's kind of mean.

Laura: No, no, no, it's just like, everybody keeps sending in e-mails about Dumbledore being gay, and I'm just like, "Stop it! He's gay! No one cares anymore!"

Andrew: Yeah, yeah...

Laura: Please!

Andrew: ...I know. Yeah, it's an old story. We're trying to move on from it. I'm sure once we take callers in a little bit, everyone's going to be like, "Do you guys think that Dumbledore being gay is going to have a problem on the thing?"

Laura: We should just hang up.

Micah: The best e-mail that I read about it is - was "He's a fictional character. Why do people care so much?"

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Exactly!

Andrew: Well, it's the same question, why do we analyze? But let's not analyze it again. [laughs] So a couple quick announcements, then we'll get to one e-mail. Oh, by the way, Eric was supposed to be on the show. I'm pretty sure he said he was going to be here today and then he's nowhere to be found.

Laura: Yep. What did we say, Andrew? What did we say?

Andrew: We knew he wasn't going to be here on time.

Laura: Yeah.

Announcements: Podcast Alley and Ringtones

Andrew: [sighs] Which doesn't surprise me. Okay, so a couple quick announcements first. First of all, thank you, everyone, for voting for us on Podcast Alley. We are high up there. I think I just said "Owey" - thank you. And let's see where we are right now. We're number three right now. Perfect. Perfect positioning. Thank you, everyone, for voting for us on there. You can continue to vote, to share your support for the show, over at And don't forget, MuggleCast ringtones are for sale over at, and there's a banner at the top. Those are - go to helping us raise some money for the show, any future live events that we do, our equipment, costs, etc., etc. And it's the one thing WB hasn't yelled at us at for selling, so we're going to run with it until they do.

[Laura laughs]

Muggle Mail: American Tolerance

Andrew: Moving on to Muggle Mail now. There is this one e-mail about Dumbledore being gay. Did any of you guys put this in? I don't remember putting it in. I'm afraid to read it.

Laura: I didn't put anything in.

Micah: Yeah, I put it in, because we had spoken about this one before. It was sort of an opinion on Dumbledore tolerance in America. Do you remember that?

Andrew: Yeah. Do you want to read through it quick?

Micah: Sure. It comes from Claire, 15, in London. She says:

"Hi guys, I'm writing to you to say I love the show and you guys are great hosts. Firstly, I wanted to comment on the revelation that Dumbledore is gay. I think that this is a cool fact, but I really do not understand why it's created such a mass controversy. I probably won't make any friends by saying this, but I think it's causing much more problems in America than here in England, where no one really seems to care that much. No offense to any of the American listeners who do not have a problem with homosexuality intended, but it is very odd to me that people in a country as great and vast as yours seem to have so little tolerance for others. It's kind of ironic that one of the main plot lines in the books is about promoting prejudice and hatred of others with the [quack noise sounds] whole pureblood/Mud-blood dynamic, yet some of the series' self proclaimed biggest fans can't tolerate people in their own lives. It saddens me that after reading all the "Harry Potter" books, some fans still haven't got the message that discrimination is wrong. Wasn't that kind of the whole point? I know you're probably sick to the back teeth of Dumbledore e-mails, and I hope this doesn't ruffle too many feathers, but I felt I had to say something. Thank you and keep recording. Claire."

Andrew: Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, I haven't talked to Jamie about this yet, but I don't think it's making much press over in the U.K.

Laura: No. Well, definitely - I mean, I have to say even when we were in Toronto over the summer, I noticed - just - I noticed a lot more homosexual couples in the open, I guess. Like walking around together, and it just seemed like it wasn't as big a deal there. So I think that she definitely makes a point that people tend to not be as open to it here. Not that everyone is, because I'm sure now we're going to get ten million e-mails yelling at us for saying Americans are intolerant, which isn't true, but I think that she definitely does make a good point on her front.

Andrew: Yeah, I do agree with that. It's - America overdoes everything within the media. The media destroys everything.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: So. [sighs] So that's that. Micah, everyone in the chat's saying you made a "quack" noise earlier in the show when you were reading that e-mail. And I have to say, I think you did.

Micah: Quack?

Laura: Yeah, I heard it too.

Andrew: Yeah, you made a quack noise.

Micah: Okay.

Advice with MuggleCast

Andrew: And the feed just died, but I think it's coming back. No it''s back. Okay. Ah, UStream. Thank you, UStream, for hosting us for free, by the way. Maybe now it won't crash as much. All right, so let's go to - oh, okay, Advice with MuggleCast. We did this last week and then we got another e-mail this week from someone who has another question asking how we can help them. [laughs] And I think this is fun - so we're like helping people out with Harry Potter problems. Don't you guys?

Laura: I agree.

Micah: Sure, yeah.

Laura: I'm looking forward to the next one.

Micah: Quack.

Andrew: [laughs] Quack!

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I think it was a bug. I think it was a bug in the system. But you did make a weird noise, Micah. Anyway:

"Dear Andrew, first of all, thank you for reading this. I'm sorry to bug you, but I think that you might be able to answer my question about "Equus." Here it is: I'm a 13 year old girl from Michigan originally, but right now we're in Georgia. I'll be fourteen in 56 days on December 30th."

That's a fun birthday to have, right between Christmas and new years. Or whatever holiday you celebrate.

"By the time "Equus" came to Broadway, it would almost be my fifteenth birthday. My dad is in with the army and I found out that for my eighth move we'll be in Washington D.C. We'd be about five hours away from New York City. When I found out that Dan was confirmed to come to New York, I went crazy. I've been in love with "Harry Potter" for nine years this December, and I used to be a huge Dan fan girl before I moved on to Oliver Phelps."


"I've been trying to meet - or at least be in the same room - with as many of the cast members as possible. I've already met three. Even just seeing Dan would be amazing, and this may be my only opportunity unless I save up enough money for two tickets to London for the "Deathly Hallows" premiere. My only problem is my mother. I have a strong feeling that she's going to have a problem with the naked Dan love scene. Is it really all that bad? I mean, I'd be almost fifteen and I've been told that I'm very mature for my age. My own mom even says that I'm thirteen going on twenty-seven. And it's not like I'm going to this as a complete "Harry Potter" fan. I promise that no robes, Gryffindor tie, or "Harry Potter"-related t-shirts would be involved. I would just want to see a phenomenal play with Dan in it. Considering what you are - considering that you are the one to usually censor the show and remind your co-hosts that it is indeed a children's podcast (although 117 was hopelessly hysterical and I won't be letting my mom listen to it), what do you think? Should I even bother to try and convince her to let me get tickets, or am I fighting a lost cause?"

Laura, what do you think? If you were thirteen - well, if you were going to be fifteen and you said, "Mommy, I want to see Equus"...

Laura: My mom would absolutely let me go. And I don't think that - see, I've never been of the opinion that children should be sheltered from nudity because I feel like a body is a body and everyone has one. So I don't see the reason why somebody shouldn't be allowed to see Equus just because there's someone naked in it.

Andrew: Yeah. Especially if you're complimenting your daughter on being mature for her age. Let's face it, she's seen...

Laura: Yeah. You've seen the play. So what exactly goes on in this scene?

Andrew: Well... [laughs] that's what you don't want to tell you're mom.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Basically, up until that point, Dan is completely enthralled with horses. So him and this girl, I forget what her name is in the play now, it's been a while. But him and this girl are alone in this room and this girl wants to have....

Micah: Relations...

Andrew: ...relationships with Dan. So she takes off her clothes first and then Dan takes off his clothes. Very slowly, mind you. And let's see what happens then. At this point I was totally giggling. I was totally fan girling. I was like, "Oh my God! Dan!" So...

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Just kidding, I wasn't really. And at that point they do you say...

Laura: Having relationships?

Andrew: [laughs] But there's no contact. It's just they're both naked. There's lots of movement but there's no contact. He's right over top of her. And then Dan realizes, "Oh my God, I like horses better" or something like that.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: No, don't laugh! This is a serious play, I shouldn't be laughing. He likes horses. I can't remember, I'm sorry. I'll tell you right now, my parents probably would not let me. They were weird with me just going in March. They were like, "why do you want to see that?" So that's a hard thing to - I don't know. It varies from parent to parent. If it was my kid, though, I would say sure. I mean, nothing actually happens. It's not like, you know, an adult film or anything. They don't treat it like that. It's very mature take on it. Oh, and by the way, by the time you get to that scene - I think I mentioned this before - by the time you get to that scene, it doesn't matter. You're just like "Oh, he's naked. Who cares?" You wait like two hours to get to that scene. It's past the intermission; it's towards the very end.

Laura: Well, yeah. I mean, I guess if you research the story a little bit and talked to your mom about it and tell her that's it not just Dan running around on stage naked for four hours.

Andrew: Right, yeah. I think that's one big part of it. People just assume, "Oh, he's naked the whole time. It's stupid." It makes sense.

Micah: Maybe this is going back to what that e-mail was talking about before and just, I don't know, maybe it's something different in this country that we care more about that type of thing more than other countries. Here's a perfect question for you, Andrew. When you went to see it, how many younger kinds were there that you would say were fifteen, sixteen years old? Were there a lot?

Andrew: No, I think it's - it was mostly adults, I have to say. But that was a good two months after it started playing. So there weren't many, but like I said on last week's show, I really think that in New York City you're going to get a younger crowd.

Micah: Oh, definitely. But is there also the possibility of maybe even them putting an age restriction on it? I mean, can they do that on Broadway?

Andrew: Well, I don't know. But why? I mean, if you're - it probably varies from play to play. I don't know. It's a tough decision. I think if you tell your parents exactly what happens and say, listen, I want to see this because I'm a fan of Dan and his work, you know...

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: Overall, though, I think it's going to be hard when that play starts up on Broadway, because there's going to be a lot of fan girls there, especially the first few shows.

Laura: Yeah. Like I was saying during the last show, just think about all the people who got together in New York for the reading, even though they weren't going. So I'm just imagining there's going to be Facebook groups of people who are planning to go to the exact same show. There's going to be at least one night where it's all fandom people.

Eric Joins the Show

Andrew: Yeah, definitely. Okay, well, let's move along here. People - just real quick, there are a couple of people having stream problems, but I just turned the quality down more, so hopefully that fixes it. I should just disable the chat, because apparently it's screwing up a lot of people's feeds. But anyway, I guess we'll move on to some calls now and take calls for the rest of the show, where we'll talk to you guys about whatever you want Harry Potter, whether it's theories, or news developments, or Dumbledore. Oh, guess who's calling? Guess who's giving me a ring-a-ding frickin' ding? Eric, what's up?

Eric: Hey, guys.

Andrew: Hey.

Eric: How's it going?

Andrew: Hey, it's 3:30. Way to be on time.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Yeah, no, it's funny, because I'm logged into the chat now and I can hear myself talk. So I'm going to exit out of that window.

Andrew: This is a live program we're doing. We're live!

Eric: Okay, live to tape. All right, guys.

Andrew: Hey, live.

Eric: What's going on? How're you doing?

Andrew: Nothing. We were actually just going to start taking calls.

Eric: Sweet!

Andrew: Can I ask why you were late, though? This is unacceptable.

Eric: Yeah, it's about 9:30 a.m., and I kind of had a big, late night last night, so...

Andrew: Ooh, out partying?

Laura: Ooh.

Eric: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I know. See, Uni's out right now. So, I've been in Uni since sort of February, and [laughs] my exams are over, and I had to party.

Laura: Oh.

Eric: So, sorry, guys. Yup, yup, yup. But it's a relief. I'm really relieved, and it was good fun. So, sorry, guys, but it is 9:30.

Andrew: It's okay. It's all right.

Eric: This time difference is killing me.

Andrew: [singing to the tune of "Good Morning Baltimore"] Good morning, New Zealand!

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Caller, you're live on MuggleCast. What's going on?

Call: Felix Felicius

Caller: Yes, I'm back on.

Andrew: Oh, hi, Mindy! I thought Skype went out for a second.

Caller: Hey, can you guys hear me?

Andrew: Yup. What's going on?

Caller: Let me mute my feed.

Andrew: Thank you.

Caller: Well, I'm going to ask you a question I've been thinking about ever since I first read the book.

Andrew: Oh okay.

Caller: And - okay. You know in "The Phoenix Lament" in The Half-Blood Prince where Ginny tells Harry that if he hadn't given them the Felix Felicis they wouldn't have survived, because it seemed like all the spells were missing them? You know that part? Well, do you guys think that if they had dranken Felix Felicis right before they had gone in the flight, where in the chapter, "The Seven Potters," do you think none of the people would have died?

Laura: Hmm. That's interesting.

Andrew: Theoretically, yes, they wouldn't have, right? [laughs]

Laura: Yeah.

Caller: Yeah, I mean - yeah, I just thought it was kind of stupid that didn't happen. It just would have been logical.

Laura: Yeah, didn't they - I can't remember the specifics behind how long it takes to create the Felix Felicis, how long it takes to do it...

Caller: It's not - I actually looked that up and it's not in the books.

Laura: Okay.

Eric: But at the same time, Polyjuice itself takes very long time to get and that didn't stop them long.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: You've got to brew it sort of under seven moons, and so then...

Caller: Yeah. Do you mind if I shout out to somebody?

Andrew: Sure.

Caller: Okay, I have a friend through the Harry Potter fandom, and her name is Bethany, and she's at home crying because she doesn't have a headset. She can't call in. So...

Andrew and Laura: Aww.

Andrew: Crying? Don't cry over us.

Caller: ...I thought I'd shout out to her.

Andrew: Please don't cry over us.

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] All right. Well, thank you for calling, Mindy.

Caller: Okay, thanks for taking my call.

Call: Not Eric From Dallas

Andrew: No problem. Hi, caller, you're live on MuggleCast.

Caller: Andrew?

Andrew: Yeah, what's up?

Caller: You're - oh, wow, I just forgot - your Listener, Please Stop Listening this week came from Dallas, Texas, right?

Andrew: Umm...

Laura: Wait! Are you from Dallas? I see your area code.

Caller: I am just north of Dallas.

Laura: Okay, I...

Eric: [laughs] We see your area code.

Laura: No, I used to live in Dallas, and I saw your area code and I got really excited. Sorry.

Caller: Oh, no way.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Caller: Anyway...

Andrew: Yeah, he was from Dallas, yeah. His name's Eric. Are you Eric?

Caller: No.

Andrew: Okay, good. [laughs]

Eric: No, Andrew, I'm Eric. Can't you get that right after one hundred...

Andrew: No, no, no. The e-mailer at the start of the show.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So yeah, he was from Dallas.

Caller: Anyway, I just wanted to say please don't judge Texas MuggleCasters by that guy.

Andrew: Oh, no! [laughs] He said he was kidding anyway.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: He was joking.

Andrew: Yeah, he was joking.

Caller: Oh, the stream keeps cutting out. I couldn't hear that part.

Andrew: Sorry. When we release the show, probably later tonight, it won't be cut out. We're having some server problems on UStream I guess...

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: ...because the show's pretty popular! [laughs] So...

Caller: I guess that's it!

Andrew: Okay, cool.

Caller: Pickles.

Andrew: Thanks for calling. Pickles! Bye!

Laura: Bye!

Call: Phil From Orange County

Andrew: [laughs] Pickles. Phil!

Caller: Quack!

Micah: Hey!

Andrew: [laughs] Micah started quack! What's up, Phil?

Caller: Not much.

Andrew: Where you calling from?

Caller: Orange County, California.

Andrew: Nice, nice! Hey, I'm looking into living out there maybe in another year or so.

Caller: Cool, you can come over here.

Andrew: Yeah, do you got an apartment I could stay at?

Caller: Yeah, sure.

Andrew: Sweet, cool.

Caller: Do a live MuggleCast or something.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, yeah! We'll still be doing them then.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Hey, why not? What's so funny about that, Eric?

Eric: No, broadcasting from the apartment.

Andrew: Oh. I guess that's funny. What's up, Phil?

Caller: I don't know. I completely forgot about what I was going to say.

Andrew: [laughs] Well, how's the weather today in Orange County?

Caller: Actually, it's pretty good. It's been cloudy for the last week and a half.

Andrew: Oh, nice.

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: Neat.

Caller: Okay, help me out, chat. What should I say?

Andrew: Chat?

Caller: Yes, the UStream chat.

Andrew: Well, while you're thinking up your question, let's get another caller in here. Wesley.

Caller: Okay then.

Call: Podcast Inspired by MuggleCast

Andrew: Hey, Wesley.

Caller: Hey, guys.

Andrew: What's up?

Caller: Not much.

Andrew: Where you calling from?

Caller: Arlington, Virginia.

Andrew: Arlington, Virginia! Okay! I got people all over the place here. What's going on?

Caller: Sitting at home, kind of waiting for the day to happen, I guess.

Andrew: For the day to what?

Eric: Good words to live your live by.

Andrew: Oh, yeah. Well, you got a question or something you want us to address?

Caller: I don't really have a question, but I just wanted to say that you guys really inspired me because I'm making a podcast. We're going to record the first episode this weekend.

Andrew: Oh cool!

Laura: Cool!

Andrew: What's it called? What do you talk about on it?

Caller: We don't have a name, but we're going to talk about music. It's a bunch of my friends and we're going to start it. It's going to be fun.

Andrew: Sweet.

Caller: Yeah.

Back to Phil

Andrew: All right, cool! Phil, you got your question back?

Caller: Kind of.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay, what is it?

Caller: I don't know if you heard, but a certain character is gay.

Andrew: Is gay? Yeah. You sound like Emerson.

Caller: Don't know if you've heard about that.

Eric: God, that's how every question starts out these days.

Andrew: Yep.

Caller: Okay, well, I think that was pretty much it.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay! Thanks for calling, Phil!

Caller: Thanks for having me on the show.

Andrew: No problem. See you. All right. Cool. So, Wesley...

And Back to Wesley

Caller: Yeah.

Andrew: ...when are you releasing your podcast?

Caller: Depends when I get it edited. Probably Monday or Tuesday.

Andrew: Oh, okay. Cool.

Caller: But I was going to e-mail you guys the pilot episode.

Andrew: Oh awesome! Yeah, we'll take a listen.

Caller: Thanks.

Laura: Definitely.

Andrew: Cool, cool. We'll let you go and get some other callers in here.

Caller: Okay. See you guys later.

Call: MuggleCast Should Do A Tour of Europe

Andrew: See you! Okay. Let's take some calls. People, call in if you've got a question, preferably about Harry Potter. Geez, so many people keep calling! Sorry, this is going to be another guy. Martin!

Caller: Oh! Hi!

Andrew: Hi! What's going on?

Caller: Oh, I didn't think I would come through. Oh yeah, I'm okay! And you? How are you doing?

Andrew: We're doing good. Where you calling from?

Caller: From Germany. Bonn.

Andrew: Germany! Wow!

Eric: Awesome!

Caller: Yeah! Thanks for having the live podcast because I have to stay at home tonight, so I at least have something to listen to.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Laura: So what's on your mind?

Caller: Well, I wanted to thank you for the very good discussion in MuggleCast 116. I think it was Eric's idea to discuss Dumbledore and value his acting all through the series. And I really appreciated that because I'm still thinking about Dumbledore as a character, and I'm not quite sure what I have to think about him. It's not about him being gay. That's irrelevant. But I think you really did a good job on that.

Andrew: Oh, well good! Thank you. Yeah, that was a good discussion.

Eric: I really appreciated that. I thought that did turn out to be a pretty good show. So I really appreciate your thought there. Thank You.

Caller: Yeah, that's what I wanted to say. And I also wanted to say you should really do a European tour.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: No, I agree. I completely agree. We should definitely go - and MuggleCast, we should have all seven of us holding up the Tower of Pisa in Italy.

Andrew: [laughs] Oh, god!

Eric: Also, Germany, you said. I was in Rutenberg. Rutenberg?

Caller: Yeah, Rutenberg, yeah.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, good fun.

Caller: Very Medieval town.

Eric: Yeah, they've got the wall and...

Caller: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eric: ...the priests have helped rebuild it.

Caller: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: Yeah, it's really an awesome town. And they have a very cool - very nice chess set from there.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: Really? Yeah, I've been there a few years ago, so it's quite nice if you like Medieval towns. And if you're doing a European tour, grab Alex Carpenter and get him over here so we might see a decent Wizard Rock show.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Oh! A decent Wizard Rock show. Okay.

Eric: [laughs] Alex Carpenter. We have to call Alex up.

Andrew: Yeah, that would be fun. That would be a lot of fun and also cost a lot of money.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Shout out to my German buddy, Timo Neals, over there. Martin, I've got a friend over there who was a German exchange student. His name's Timo. [in German accent] Timo Neals.

Caller: Where is he from?

Andrew: Where's he from? Schwasbach. Does that ring a bell?

Caller: I have no idea.

Andrew: Schwasbach? I don't know. I could send you his MySpace URL or something. [laughs] So, all right, cool. Well, thanks for calling, Martin. Glad to hear you enjoyed that discussion.

Caller: Yeah, thank you. Good luck with the live podcast.

Andrew: Thank you, thank you. See you later.

Laura: Thanks for calling.

Eric: Thanks a lot, man. Bye.

Andrew: I like when foreigners call.

Laura: He looks cool.

Andrew: Yeah, he sounds a little bit like Borat.

Laura: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: No, Kazakhstani and German are not the same.

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