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Show Intro

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Micah: Because I wholeheartedly approve of - well, you'll just have to wait and see, this is MuggleCast Episode 120 for November 18th, 2007.

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Andrew: Okay, we're back for another week of MuggleCast, and we have two guests here this week. Mikey, first up. Mikey's back after not being on for awhile.

Mikey: Yeah, you know. I was sleeping.

Andrew: Mikey, working on any big known projects lately?

Mikey: Yeah, that's actually...

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Andrew: Yes, actually.

Mikey: Actually, that's why I haven't been around, you know. I've been busy. Been busy busy. Yeah, you can see my name in the credits of a feature film called The Red Canvas. That should be released sometime next year. I'm Assistant Editor on that. I get to work the night shift. So my day starts at like 8:00 at night and then I work until 2, 3 in the morning, which is really nice. Not really because I'm there all by myself in this cramped room, but it's got a really cool computer, and I sit there and watch footage and log clips and, you know...

Andrew: That's awesome.

Mikey: ...all the fun stuff

Andrew: Logging fun. Love logging.

Mikey: Oh yes, you know. You know, that's how it goes.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: But, you know, yeah.

Andrew: And also this week, making his MuggleCast debut, is Andy McCray from Australia.

Andy: Hey.

Mikey: Andy! Woo!

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: Sorry. And the girls go wild. Aah!

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Mikey: Sorry, Andy, it's Mikey.

Andrew: We needed an Eric replacement, someone down in that general area.

Andy: You hit it pretty well straight on then.

Andrew: Andy, you're the webmaster of what website?

Andy: I'm webmaster of

Andrew: J.K. Rowling Site Award Winner recently. Is it the most recent?

Andy: Yep. It is and...

Andrew: Yeah.

Andy: ...still holding, luckily.

Andrew: Awesome. Awesome. [laughs] Until the next website.

Mikey: You know what I like about HarryPotterFanZone? It was one of the first sites I found, and what I like about it is they actually have the sheet music to the Harry Potter music up there.

Andy: Yeah. That's good.

Andrew: Oh, really?

Mikey: That's like - that's old, but yeah. That was like my first bookmarked Harry Potter webpage at one point.

Andrew: Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I've been visiting HarryPotterFanZone for awhile, too. Well, we got a lot of e-mails to go through this week. And also, there's plenty of news to discuss. I'm Andrew Sims.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Mikey: I'm Mikey B.!

[Laura laughs]

Andy: And I'm Andy McCray.

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Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week's top Harry Potter news stories. Hey, Micah.

Micah: All right. Thanks, Andrew. With the Order of the Phoenix DVD having been released earlier this week in the United Kingdom, fans have uploaded the two Half-Blood Prince sneak peak clips online. The first clip, entitled "Quidditch Back In Style," focuses on what Harry, Ron, and Draco's uniform will look like in the sixth film. The head costume designer said that this year it's more dangerous and that she took some inspiration from American football. The second clip is an interview with production designer, Stuart Craig, in which he talks about the creation of the orphanage where Tom Riddle lived, making a point of it not being a nice place. Warner Bros. has revamped the official Order of the Phoenix site in preparation for the DVD's December 11th launch in the U.S. so be sure to head on over and take a look. MTV has published an article on the recently released Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix DVD which contains a special feature of the fifth film's deleted scenes. The clip also includes two new interviews with the production designer, Stu Craig, and director David Yates.

CBBC has revealed that Jessie Cave, having only starred in a TV film called Summerhill, will be playing Lavender Brown in Half-Blood Prince. Jessie is twenty years old. It is not known if she attended the open auditions for Lavender, which were held earlier this year. She may have auditioned separately for the part. Warner Bros. announced earlier this week that nine year old Hero Fiennes Tiffin is playing the role of the young Tom Riddle at age eleven, while sixteen year old Frank Dillaine is the playing the teenage Riddle who is already on the path to becoming evil Lord Voldemort. WB has also said that casting for the sixth Harry Potter film, Half-Blood Prince has now completed.

The BBC recently conducted an interview with Harry Potter actor, Daniel Radcliffe, where he talked about filming for Half-Blood Prince and what he thought of Deathly Hallows amongst other things. Dan acknowledged he didn't read the seventh book until about four days after it came out, so he was walking around with his fingers in his ears. Luckily, it wasn't spoiled for him.

A news that shouldn't surprise anyone: Deathly Hallows was named the best book of 2007 by From the online warehouse: "Was there any doubt? The final episode of the most popular series in publishing history, J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows leads our list of the 100 Top-Selling Books on during 2007. They were ranked according to customer orders through October. Only books published for the first time in 2007 were eligible."

Finally, when schools begin to slack off in academic achievement, who do they turn to? One school in Nottingham, England went to Harry Potter and came up with the idea of Potter-themed classes. Since then, they've seen a turn around in performance. The theme-based approach has catalyzed a dizzying rise in academic achievement at Robert Mellors. Three years ago it was languishing in the bottom quarter of English schools; it has since vaulted into the top twenty-five.

That's all the news for this November 18, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: All right. Thank you, Micah.

Micah: You're welcome.

Andrew: Micah, there's been good hot topics this week. Nothing as controversial as what we've been discussing recently, but...

Micah: What would that be?

Andrew: ...guess we - gay characters, fan sites going against J.K.R. That's all.

Laura: All that good stuff.

News Discussion: Harry Potter In School

Andrew: First up, a new feature from TIME Magazine. TIME Magazine did a feature on Harry Potter in schools. And first of all, I had to say, I was really proud of this. I made this news post and then went to get the link. It was post number 1337. Do you guys know what that means?

Mikey: Yup.

Laura: Nope.

Andrew: Elite.

Mikey: I understand that.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Mikey: You're elite, Andrew, you're elite!

Andrew: I'm elite! [laughs]

Mikey: You're elite, buddy.

Andrew: I sent that to Kevin right away and he was like, "I don't get it!"

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: It's elite! He was like, "Ohh!"

Mikey: Andrew Sims is the big hackster, guys.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: You know.

Andrew: I can't wait for post 8008.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: Hopefully I'm going to make that one.

Mikey: What about 80085?

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: Whoa!

Andrew: That's just inappropriate.

Laura: Oh.

Mikey: Oh, I'm sorry.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: So TIME Magazine did this feature on Harry Potter in schools. And basically what it featured - it was this school in England - Nottingham, England - and this school had some decreasing performance rates. This school was about to go under. And then - it was in the bottom quarter of English schools, and then it skyrocketed to the top 25% just by starting to use Harry Potter in the classroom more, making their classes more Harry Potter-themed. Like, they would sort the kids into Houses with points and stuff. Then this school explodes! So I'm wondering, I thought it would be a good time to bring up how in American schools, maybe even in Australia, and I'm sure in other schools in England, so many people - so many kids in English class hate their curriculum. And do you guys think that if Harry Potter started becoming part of the English American curriculum there would be improvements?

Laura: I think so, and I don't think it's just Harry Potter. I think it's using other books that have the same appeal that the Potter books have. I think the big problem with English curriculum in the public school system is that they choose the most boring books on the face of the Earth to read.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: Like, I'm sorry, nobody enjoys Huck Finn or Tom Sawyer.

Mikey: Okay, okay, you know what? You know what?

Laura: I haven't met one person who enjoyed either of those books.

Mikey: Miss Laura Thompson, I enjoyed Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer. And you've got to understand, these books are amazing! They really are. Plus...

Andrew: They are classics.

Laura: It's - they are classics, and I'm not denying that.

Mikey: Plus Huck Finn is banned in the U.S. anyway because it's got racist connotations. So...

Andrew: Yeah, Yeah.

Mikey: So Tom Sawyer is readable in schools, but Huck Finn isn't. And then you've got to remember J.T.T. was in Tom and Huck, and that's amazing.

Andrew: Even - not even those stories, but I can't even remember the titles of some of the stories that I read in my English class, but one time one of the students brought up in my class - she was just like, to our teacher who was a bit of a, you know, a hard-butt. He was like - the student said to him, "Why can't we read something that actually interests us, like Harry Potter?" And he was like, "Oh, well Harry Potter is a children's book. You won't learn anything from that." But, I mean, if you just listen to our shows - I mean, you could just play 100 of our shows in an English class and that could be an entire curriculum.

Mikey: Wow.

Andrew: What?

Mikey: MuggleCast as an English curriculum? Really?

Andrew: Yeah. Wouldn't that be cool? I know there are some Harry Potter clubs in schools that will play our podcasts from time to time.

Mikey: That's cool.

Andrew: For an activity. Yeah.

Micah: Don't you think...

Andrew: But I just think - what?

Micah: I was just going to say, don't you think that could run into problems similar to Laura Mallory across the U.S. when they're going to come out and say that they don't want witchcraft being taught in school?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Well then...

Micah: People are going to bring it up to the board.

Laura: They have the right to have their children removed from that class or assigned a different reading assignment.

Andrew: Yeah. And I mean...

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: ...I've never read Beowulf, but that's sort of a magical tale, isn't it?

[Laura groans]

Andrew: It's fantasy, right?

Laura and Mikey: Yeah.

Laura: It's really - I mean, I'm not trying to degrade all of these classics, but there is something to be said for the time that they were written in, the style, put into a modern classroom, puts kids asleep.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: I'm not going to lie.

Mikey: I agree with...

Andrew: It's so boring.

Mikey: I agree with Laura completely, but I think Beowulf - I didn't read that until probably about freshman or sophomore year in high school.

Laura: Yeah.

Mikey: I think at the time, because we were studying that type of literature, that's when we were reading the Shakespeare stuff - I can't tell you how many times I've read The Tempest throughout my high school in all the different classes, deconstructing it. But it's at that time period - those books are definitely appropriate. I'm thinking more elementary school, definitely Harry Potter and other books of that sort would be more interesting to the students. Because I remember reading 1984 in eighth grade, and I loved it. It was right at the time that I was trying to get into politics. I loved the message. I definitely think they should focus on books and definitely change the curriculum because you can't read The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe three years in a row from second grade to fourth grade. You really can't.

Laura: Which everyone does.

Mikey: Yeah, yeah. Everyone does.

Andy: It depends really...

Andrew: I haven't read that book either. Sorry, Andy, go ahead.

Andy: It depends what age range you're sort of talking at. Primary school, elementary school, kids probably would love studying Harry Potter, but if you're in high school or something, are people going to treat it the same way?

Laura: I don't know, they read Harry Potter at the high school I went to.

Andrew: Really? Yeah, I think that would just be unheard of if we read it in my school.

Mikey: Well, just also...

Andy: Same with my school.

Mikey: Well there's college classes dedicated to Harry Potter.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Deconstructing the universe, using the pros. So there are definitely reasons that Harry Potter is good for all age levels. And each person is going to get something different out of it. I remember growing up as a kid, and again, going back to my Star Wars, I loved the Star Wars series because it was flashy and exciting. But as I got older, I started to see the story arcs, all of the different stuff. Same thing with Harry Potter. I started reading it when I was much older. I didn't get into it really young. Unlike Emerson, I didn't get into it when I was young. I read Book 1 through 6 in a span of two weeks.

Micah: Right.

Mikey: And by doing that, one, I devoured it the first reading by - just the story that was amazing. Then I started going back and kind of what MuggleCast does, I deconstructed everything and started going, oh and this, and then of course the theories started following after that. And then there are still theories that I have, but those will be another day.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: Another day when it's MikeyCast! I mean, no.

[Everyone laughs]

[Mikey does an evil laugh]

Micah: I'm kind of in the same boat as Mikey, though, because I didn't read the books until I was older either, until I was in college. The other thing I was going to bring up, though, talking about college courses, I know that some of the incoming freshmen classes while I was in college had to read Sorcerer's Stone. Now, I don't know if they read that because they were going to debate the impact of it on society as a whole and that kind of a thing, but I know for a fact that they had to read it.

Laura: Interesting.

Micah: So it is being pushed at the college level, as well.

Laura: Yeah, and I think there's something to be said for the way classes are taught, too, because I recently read Dracula in one of my classes here, and when I was reading it here I was like, wow, I would have hated this in high school...

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: ...because in high school I would have been forced to read it and come in and just take a test on it, whereas in my college classes we have whole discussions about underlying themes and things that would have never gotten talked about in high school because they would've been deemed too controversial. So I think that's the problem with the public schools, is that they're underestimating what children can handle. And when I say children I mean anybody aged elementary through high school.

Andrew: Yeah. But I mean even if we get back to Harry Potter, I think the big concern is most schools see Harry Potter as too much of a children's book and you couldn't go in depth. And maybe it's not even the schools themselves; it could be the teachers too that think it's just a children's book.

Mikey: You know, I don't think...

Andy: Well, the teachers need to know the books as deeply as we do. I don't think they really know them as much as us fans do. So they're not really going to be teaching stuff that is going to be hard, you know?

Mikey: You know, Andrew, I don't think it would necessarily be the teachers, because I know if you go to any of the Harry Potter conventions, it's filled up with teachers.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: I think it's more the parents of the students going, oh, why is my kid reading Harry Potter? That's a children's book and he's in sixth grade. Or she's in sixth grade, seventh grade.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Shouldn't she be learning something more?

Andrew: That's true.

Mikey: But I don't know about you, but I have a really close relationship with my family. But even growing up I know for a fact my mom and dad never really payed that much attention to my school homework. If I needed help, they would help me, but they don't know what books I was reading completely for school. Like, yes, they bought them, but they didn't go any further. Half the time they hadn't read some of them, you know. My mum wasn't able to - couldn't help me after sixth grade math homework - you know, started getting to algebra and everything. She just didn't want to deal with it anymore; it was getting too difficult for her to handle. It was just too much effort for them to keep up with what I was learning at the time. And now, going to college, finishing up now, some of the stuff I've had to read and deconstruct, my parents are just like - my dad would be like, okay I'll read the book because you say it's a good book, because I'll recommend it to him, but my mum would be like, yeah it doesn't interest me. It's a different story. I don't like it. You know. So I think...

Andrew: I think something - go ahead.

Mikey: I was going to say, I can definitely see it being more parents if schools issued Harry Potter books as required reading...

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: know? Yes, it's required reading. I definitely think it would be great for a family thing to start reading it together or students reading it, but I think it's going to be more parents - especially in the U.S. - back-lashing, you know, this is a children's book, because it's been dubbed a children's book by so many.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: And the parents - especially for the families that don't read - because, again, you know, our society is so engrossed in media, you know: TV, movies, you know, Internet, everything - that there's really not much reading going on. That's why - you know - Harry Potter's been such a big phenomenon, because it's getting kids to read. But parents haven't read Harry Potter.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: And by kids being required to, it's like, this is a children's book. Why are my kids reading it?

Andrew: Yeah. I think something else hurting it too, is also the movies now. I mean, Harry Potter's really commercialized. So if you took it in a serious class, something that might make teachers or schools hesitate is the fact that, oh, well, they'll just watch the movies and try to catch up on the reading that way. I mean, because that's what I've always...

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: There's been a couple times. Well, there's been a couple of books in, like, middle school or high school that we've read, and the teacher's even like, yeah, this was made into a movie. And then we're like, hmm, we should just watch the movie. I mean - but you can't learn that way at all if you watch the movie, so...

Laura: Yeah. I was going to say.

Andrew: ...but still, Harry Potter's so commercialized, I would think you really can't take it as seriously as, say - not Beowolf now that the movie's out - but, you know...

Mikey: Lord of the Rings?

Andrew: ...just any classic tale. Or Lord of the Rings, yeah.

Mikey: I had to read that in high school.

Andy: But like - I don't know if the vibe is like this in the U.S. around Harry Potter - but like every time we have a book or a movie release here they'll have it all over the papers.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Andy: And the front page will be like a picture of a four year-old with glasses.

Andrew: Exactly, yes.

Andy: They kind of try and dumb it down. This is like a three year-old's book when the real fans are our age.

Andrew: Yeah, that's a great point. That's why so many people are always like, oh, it's a children's book. It's a little kid's book.

Mikey: You know, Andy, I agree with you on that, that they're trying to dumb it down as a children's book, but I can't really - you can't really say that the real fans are our age. You know, there's fans at every age.

Andrew: Yeah.

Andy: I suppose so.

Mikey: I remember at the bookstore there was like a two year-old - you know, three year-olds just walking around with their mom. And they're dressed up as Harry Potter. You know they love the movies. You know they love their moms reading the books to them. They're huge fans of it.

Andrew: Yeah, but they don't understand. They don't understand - they don't understand what's happening in the books. There's no way. [laughs]

Mikey: Yeah, I know, but I'm just saying to stop the e-mails from coming in, we don't think that only fans that are older are true fans. Everybody can be a fan. See, I'm being political now, Andrew. I'm taking care of these e-mails. I don't want Andy to get the e-mails.

Andy: Everyone can be a fan. Everyone can take something out of it.

Mikey: No, definitely. I agree. Everyone can be a fan coming out of it. I just don't want hundreds of e-mails saying, "What are you guys talking about? I'm a true fan and I'm only twelve." But, you know, I know you guys are fans. Everyone's a fan.

Andrew: We have some very intelligent younger listeners. Ages ten, eleven, twelve. Very smart. Scares me how smart. Smarter than me.

Mikey: [laughs] Well, that's not very hard, Andrew, at all.

News Discussion: Casting

Andrew: I'm not kidding. That could be true. Another news story: WB confirmed the rest of the cast for Half-Blood Prince. All the usuals are there: Alan Rickman...I stop at Alan Rickman.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Daniel Radcliffe, maybe. Emma Watson.

Andrew: They were confirmed a while ago. Evanna Lynch was confirmed, although that was nothing new. David Bradley, Warwick Davis, Robbie Coltrane.

Mikey: That's what I was going to ask. Mr. Coltrane. It wasn't Ben Schoen? It wasn't Ben Schoen. That's good.

Andrew: No, Ben was not cast. He tried, but not this year.

Mikey: [imitating Ben imitating Hagrid] Rubeus Hagrid!

Andrew: Tom Felton, Michael Gambon, Maggie Smith, Julie Walters, Matt Lewis, Bonnie Wright, etc etc. And then also we have three new casting announcements that were made this week. The first one was confirmed by CBBC earlier this week. It was Jessie Cave, but we'll get to her in one minute. There were two other people: Hero Fiennes-Tiffin is playing the role of young Tom Riddle. He's nine years-old but he's playing the eleven year-old Tom Riddle. And then Frank Dillane, I believe is how you pronounce his last name. He's sixteen years-old. He's playing teenage Tom Riddle. So there were some rumors suggesting that Ralph Fienne's nephew, I guess it is, was to be getting this role and then, of course, it was confirmed and then this Frank Dillane. All three of these new casting announcements - these actress and actors - are brand new to the filming industry. They've had one or two small projects. I know Frank Dillane and Jessie Cave have both had one. I don't think Hero has had one. Hero's such a cool name.

Mikey: Is that how you pronounce it? Hero?

Andrew: It's probably not. It's probably [pronounces Hair-O] Hero. Hero.

Andy: It's such a cool name. I thought when I first read that, like, is he a hero or is that just his name?

Andrew: Yeah, I wasn't sure either.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Can you imagine going to grade school and getting the super sticker because you did a good job, "You're a super hero!" Yeah! That'd be so cool.

Andrew: Hey, Hero. You're ego would be so high all the time. Hey, Hero.

Mikey: When I see Hero, I'm like looking at the word right now or his name, I think Hiro from the show Heroes. I just want to jump and go [screams like Hiro].

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: I don't know if you ever watch Heroes.

Andrew: No, no, I haven't. [laughs]

Mikey: I actually jumped up and down in my room.

Andrew: [laughs] But - so there's this new girl Jessie Cave, and Laura brought up to me the other day - I didn't even know this was really going on - but, Laura, you said there were quite a few people, I guess on MuggleNet or in some message boards or something, complaining, as usual, about another girl who's been cast because she's not up to the fans' standards.

Laura: Yes. And let me just say something.

Micah: She's up to my standards.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Micah, let's keep in mind, she's a - oh, never mind, you're good. Continue.

Andy: She's twenty, isn't she?

Laura: Children listen to this show, Micah.

Micah: Yeah, so take that.

Andrew: She's twenty. Yeah. Sorry, I thought she was under eighteen. But never mind. Fair game. Go ahead.

Laura: Anyway... [laughs] ...something that really, really irks me about our fandom is that any time a girl is casted in these movies all of the girls get together and complain about it. They nit-pick over little stupid things. They find the smallest physical imperfection that they can find and then call this poor girl ugly. And she's certainly not ugly at all. Furthermore, there's never been any physical description of what Lavender looks like in the books, so stop complaining. Who cares? Does it matter? You're all just jealous because she's going to hook up with Rupert Grint.

[Everyone laughs]

Andy: That's what I was about to say. They're all just jealous.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] Exactly.

Mikey: I have some friends that are upset with the casting just because they re-cast Lavender Brown.

Andrew: Yeah, that's the one big thing. Lavender used to be black.

Mikey: That's the one thing I definitely say, okay, they probably shouldn't have, considering this girl has played Lavender in quite a few films already.

Laura: Who was she? Because I don't even remember them addressing her in the film. I think she was just named that way in the credits, right?

Andrew: There is a picture of her.

Mikey: TIME Magazine did a picture of all the Harry Potter characters, and she was also in TIME there. And she was also credited that in two or three of the films, but she's been in almost all of them, I believe. Again, don't quote me on that. I'm not looking like at like IMDB right now.

Andrew: I'll look it up while you talk.

Mikey: But, yeah, I definitely kind of find that - I don't know what I would say. I guess she didn't really have the acting ability to pull off the role, because definitely Lavender now has a little bit of a bigger spotlight in this film. But it's one of those things where, you know, the girl that portrayed her originally was African-American - she was black - and now they cast someone else, and not even the same race, not the same - looks nothing alike. So if you were following the movies and not the books - because I know there are plenty of people who watch just the movies - and if you watch any of the stuff, you'd be like, "Well, who is this new person in Hogwarts? She hasn't been there before." But she's been a changed person. And they've done that before, but it's really...

Laura: Yeah, they did it with Padma and Parvati, too.

Andy: They did it with Pansy Parkinson, as well.

Laura: Yeah, those were all re-cast.

Andrew: But I don't see...

Mikey: But it's just one of those things where - I don't know - like...

Andrew: I just checked the Goblet of Fire and Chamber of Secrets credits, and I can't find anyone credited as Lavender Brown. But yeah, you are right, there was that Entertainment Weekly article where there's a picture of her, and she's a black girl, and it says, "Lavender Brown, blah, blah, blah." So, I mean, honestly, nobody's going to notice, really. I mean, the only reason people are making a fuss about that little part in particular is because of that one picture. It may be - there may be more pictures, but any typical fan - I'm sure WB's official response if we asked them would be - oh, here it is. Jennifer Smith. She's credited in the Prisoner of Azkaban credits. But that's the only film she's ever done. So I think she's just really an extra.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: And, I mean, if you're an extra, you can't...

Laura: I think they...

Andrew: an actress. [laughs]

Laura: I think they just use that as an excuse to throw her name in the credits, to make it seem like they were casting all of these people, as opposed to just putting...

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: ...Extra One, Extra Two, etc, you know? Like...

Andrew: Maybe there was a reference in Prisoner of Azkaban where Harry's like, "Oh, Lavender and all them." And maybe he gestures and she's over there waving or something.

Laura: I don't even remember them mentioning Lavender at all in the film. That was kind of...

Andrew: Yeah, I have to watch it again.

Laura: big objection to it, when everybody was having this problem with the re-cast. And I'm like, "Well, they didn't even talk about her."

Andrew: Mhm. Yeah.

Mikey: Yeah...

Andy: I think it's weird that they cast such a minor character but they named her, because in Order of the Phoenix there were some minor characters featured in promotional stills, and they were called "slightly creepy but weird."

[Laura laughs]

Andy: I mean, I don't know.

Andrew: [laughs] There really was someone called, "Slightly creepy boy"? [laughs] That's pretty funny.

Mikey: I also like how Nigel magically appeared out of nowhere, so...

Andrew and Laura: Yeah.

Laura: That's true.

Mikey: So, you know, it's definitely fine. But I understand people kind of being a little irked about it. And, you know, my biggest thing is - what I respond to them is, "Are you not going to go see the sixth movie?" They're like, "No, I'm a huge Harry Potter fan." I'm like, "Exactly." Let's see how it turns out. If she does a horrible job then maybe you have a little bit of an excuse to be like, "They should have let that other girl who can act." But I highly doubt Warner Bros. is going to do something like that. Their job is to get the right people to act. Plus, you know, really - I remember reading in an interview somewhere that Rupert was there helping pick out - I got to say, Rupert's got good taste.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: She's very pretty.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: And what I have to say is, ladies, stop sitting here and bashing this poor girl and calling her ugly. Because girls constantly complain about being objectified, but then when you turn around and do it to another girl, you're just as bad. So stop it.

Andrew: [laughs] Spank, spank, spank! [laughs] Yeah, I'll go right out there and say she's hot.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Micah? Mikey? Andy?

Mikey: Hands down! Hands down!

Micah: Clearly.

Mikey: Hands down!

Micah: What did you say, Andy?

Mikey: Hands down!

Andy: I think she's fine. No problems with her at all.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Mikey: Hands down, best casting ever.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Sorry, guys.

Andrew: You know, Emerson made you say that.

Mikey: If you don't know where that's from, go look through some of the MuggleCast archives and you'll find it.

Andrew: The first live LeakyMug.

Mikey: Yes. Hands down, best movie ever. [imitating Andrew] Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

Andrew: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mikey: It's all right, Simsy, don't worry.

Andrew: I've changed since then. It's been over two...

Mikey: You've grown.

Andrew: When was the Goblet of Fire premiere?

Mikey: I don't know.

Andrew: That was like November 12th, wasn't it?

Mikey: I don't know. I remember listening to the live show at home on my headphones. It was nice.

Andrew: You were like, "Wow, these guys got potential."

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: So...

Micah: And then you join us.

Andrew: ...moving along...

Mikey: Only if they say my name three times, I'll magically appear.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Mikey: Okay, so where we at now?

Andrew: So moving along. In other Half-Blood Prince news, there was also our - we got two - Micah, do you have something else to say?

Micah: No, I was just wondering, so this is the final cast? They're not going to be looking at other characters?

Andrew: There's got to be more announcements.

Micah: There's - I mean...

Andrew: Well, there's got to be more announcements. Yeah. Because if you look at our brand new Movie 6 section, it's not a complete cast.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Especially when you compare it to other cast pages.

Micah: So it just means on their end that they've completed casting, but they maybe haven't made all the announcements yet...

Andy: Exactly, yeah.

Micah: ...because we're still missing a good amount of people.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I would think, anyway, right? I mean, there's no Gaunt family that's been cast yet.

Andy: Like Katie Bell, too.

Laura: Yeah, that could be a problem.

Andrew: How about...

Micah: Bill Weasley. I would think he might have to be in this.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Micah: Greyback.

Andrew: Yeah. What was this press release by WB? What did it say, exactly? I'm trying to find it now. Here it is. "Casting is complete on Half-Blood Prince." So I guess they just really haven't announced everyone yet. [laughs]

Mikey: Well, you know what? The casting is probably complete for the entire, you know, everything. And they probably haven't announced it because some of the people they've cast, they probably have two or three people for it still, even though it's been cast between those two people, and whoever comes out best on camera - because a lot of times...

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: ...what they'll do for smaller parts, background characters, that may not even say anything - because we know the Gaunts, except for - what's the father's Gaunt - not - Merope's father's name?

Laura: Marvolo.

Mikey: Marvolo! Yeah. How come I didn't know that? Wow. I'm tired. Marvolo's the only one that speaks English, you know, and Merope is quiet the whole time, and her brother is speaking in [hisses].

Andrew: Maybe it's also that they want to spread out the announcements, sort of keep the excitement going.

Mikey: The buzz.

Andrew: Yeah, the buzz, exactly. Throw a little buzz out there. You know what happens? I've noticed this a lot. Whenever there's a big book announcement, WB always comes back with something to make sure nobody's forgotten about them.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Like I remember there was a huge news story - news book story - and I can't remember what it was, but like a few hours later, after all the buzz on the websites, WB sends us just a crapload of new pictures out of the blue and is just like, "Post these." It's like, okay.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: But it's like, "Don't forget about us!"

Andy: Here's thirty-six new pictures.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Mikey: Well, it's like you, Andrew. Releasing the 12-hour MuggleCast as different segments instead of as one big...

Andrew: Because I wanted to get the episode count up a little bit! But I mean when you're doing a 12-hour show, that's a huge download file anyway.

Mikey: There's people that listen the entire time, buddy. I'm just saying.

Andrew: There were. Oh yeah, definitely. Those were the people who could. [laughs] Anyone else can't. Well, I guess there were some people who might have listened to all of them straight through, but it was a good idea, just go with it. So...

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: I guess there's nothing else to say about that. Yeah, Micah, I think you bring up a good point. We're still waiting for quite a few more casting announcements. The cast page still has room to grow. So it's time to get Warwick back for another interview.

[Laura laughs]

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