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MuggleCast 122 Transcript

Show Intro

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Andrew: Hi, everyone. I'm Andrew Sims.

Laura: And I'm Laura Thompson. We're both from MuggleCast, one of the Top Harry Potter podcasts online.

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Micah: Because Laura is all about positioning, this is MuggleCast, Episode 122 for December 2nd, 2007.

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Andrew: Guess what? Chapter-by-chapter was met with reviews that weren't negative, everyone.

Laura: Yeah. That's so good.

Andrew: And I'm just going to go right out there and say Laura was not a fan of bringing it back.

Laura: Okay.

Andrew: Not a fan.

Laura: Okay, I wasn't. Because of the reaction that it got last time. But, I think that it sounds like you guys really changed it up. So, I'll be the first to step up and say I was wrong. I'm humble. I think that...

Andrew: So you were wrong and you were late.

Laura: I - okay...

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Excuse me. For the past two years of my life...

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: ...I can't count the amount of times I've had to sit around and wait for all of you.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: So, because I was out being social on Friday.

[Andrew makes cat noise]

Laura: t's not even 8:00 yet. So get over it.

Andrew: Okay, the night is young. I don't go out until 1:00 AM every night. I'm out until, like, 8:00 in the morning Saturday.

Matt: Where do you...

Micah: And by out, you mean falling asleep.

Andrew: No.

Matt: No, where do you go?

Andrew: I go out. I go to parties.

Laura: Right.

Andrew: Wait...

Matt: You don't know anybody.

Andrew: Wait, who are you mystery voice?

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Joining us this week, besides Andy. Hey, Andy.

Andy: Hey.

Andrew: Is Matt Britton, a MuggleCast transcriber, who's not going to talk much, because the more he talks the more he has to transcribe. So...

Matt: Oh, that's right.

Andrew: You're not going to... [laughs] You're not going to hear from him much. Matt, where are you from?

Matt: I'm from San Diego, California.

Andrew: That's not where you're from, though. That's just where you are.

Matt: I swear I'm going to - okay, what do you want me to say?

Andrew: Never mind. That's okay. So everyone, we've got a good show for everyone today. I'm Andrew Sims.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Andy: I'm Andy McCray.

Matt: And I'm Matt Britton.

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Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week's top Harry Potter news stories. Hey, Micah.

Micah: All right, thanks Andrew. According to an article in USA Today, Quidditch is the latest sport being played in colleges across the US. The first intercollegiate match was held earlier this month. One student from Middlebury College in Vermont said:

"Quidditch is one of the most creative things that came out of the books. We were able to create that here, follow all the rules, except the ability to fly. It just caught on."

In order to make the game work, the Snitch is replaced by a young man, who runs around the pitch at "lightning speed" and, although the players obviously lack the ability to fly, brooms are still carried around for show; these in fact have been supplied by Alivan's, MuggleNet's primary sponsor. This modified version of the sport has been described as a cross between rugby, dodge ball and soccer.

On December the 13th, The Tales of Beedle the Bard, a book written by J.K. Rowling for The Children's Voice charity, will be auctioned off by Sotheby's.

And speaking of the Harry Potter author, the Trefoil House has received a signed copy of Deathly Hallows for auction. The book will be raffled as part of the annual Christmas Bonanza, an event where people can come and buy presents they would not normally find in mainstream shops. The event is being held at the Edinburgh Corn Exchange on December 4th and 5th.

Finally, Entertainment Weekly has placed Harry Potter film producer David Heyman at number nine on a list of the 50 smartest people in Hollywood. The article read:

"He has expertly steered the highest-grossing global franchise in film history. Heyman secured the rights to the Harry Potter books in 1997 and has done just about everything right since, including bonding with author J.K. Rowling and wisely seeking her input. He helped find unexpected directors , Alfonso Cuarón and David Yates, who've kept things fresh. And he's kept the cast intact through five films, without any of his three teenage stars succumbing to a Lohanesque episode. While Warner Bros. president, Alan Horn, deserves credit for making the correct macro decisions, the franchise's success rests on a thousand micro choices Heyman made, including creating a world on set and on screen where people want to be."

That's all the news for this December 2nd, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: Alright, thank you Micah.

Micah: You're welcome.

Andrew: Micah, it was a slow news week.

Micah: It was. We keep rotating back and forth. We get big news weeks and then it dies down for a long period of time.

Andrew: It's like a see-saw.

Micah: It is like a see-saw.

Laura: What?

Andrew: Yeah. Today we were on the ground. We were on the lower part of the see-saw. We're the bigger kid this week on the see-saw.

Laura: Okay?

Andrew: We're that bully. Okay, never mind. That's enough.

Laura: No, you fail.

News Discussion: Tales of Beedle the Bard

Andrew: I just want to bring up Tales of Beedle the Bard. It was displayed, it was on display on Good Morning, America, ABC's morning news program, and there's a video online courtesy of HPANA. And basically, they actually have a copy of the book, and it looks thick. Have you guys seen this video?

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

Andy: It looks awesome.

Laura: Yeah, it really does.

Andrew: Yeah, it - yeah. It was funny, all the hosts were holding gloves because I guess Sotheby's - that's how you pronounce it, right, Sotheby's?

Micah: Yep.

Andrew: They were, you know, their guys were probably off-stage being like, "Be really careful with this," but they were all holding gloves and they were going through the book. It looks fantastic though, you just want to get your hands on it.

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: But you won't.

Andrew: Unless you have like $100,000. But do you know what I did last week?

Laura: What?

Andrew: I ordered a catalogue for the Tales of Beedle the Bard catalog direct from Sotheby's, and what it has inside of it - I got it a couple days ago - what it has inside of it is lots of artistic pictures of the book, and it's really cool because it has the intro page that Jo wrote. It's sort of a message to the buyer and it says at the end, "So, to whoever now owns this book, thank you and fair fortune be yours." And then if you just picture the rest of this book, I mean, it's has a beautiful picture of Jo, and it's really well done. It's like, the cover is imprinted. You know how like, Goosebumps when you rub your finger up against the title?

Laura: Right.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: You can like feel the title? Yeah, it's like that, and just a cool little catalogue. You guys should buy it, it's $19.95 or something like that, and the proceeds go to charity.

Matt: The drawings are really nice. J.K. Rowling is a pretty good artist.

Andrew: Isn't she? Yeah. And to think that she actually hand drew seven of these along with writing the story.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew:I mean, it's crazy. And then it's going to be bound by a separate company, and there's a picture in this catalogue of the craftsman making the covers for these books, but, just fantastic. And yeah, Matt, the art is really nice.

News Discussion: Happy Anniversary

Andrew: There is some big news this week that wasn't posted on MuggleNet or really anywhere else, Happy two year anniversary to the MCFCKYJQXY*&?C.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: It's the MuggleCastFan chat cast. I'm just kidding, it's actually just MCFCKYQ. It actually started as a podcast that was about this podcast.

Laura: No, wasn't it about a chat room? It was a podcast about a chat room about a podcast, wasn't that it? Something like that?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, basically.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: It was just kind of like a little fan community podcast. It was pretty cool, I think even a couple of us were on. I think Jamie and I were on their show for an interview like, a year-and-a-half ago. I think Eric might have been too, I'm not sure. We just wanted to say Happy Two Year Anniversary to them.

News Discussion: David Heyman

Micah: Well I just thought I'd bring up that David Heyman was named the ninth smartest person in Hollywood by Entertainment Weekly. And I thought that was kind of cool. I mean, he's ranking up there with some high individuals, including Steven Spielberg who comes in at number two. Number one is actually, let's see here, Judd Apatow.

Andrew: Really?

Micah: He directed 40 Year-Old Virgin and as well as Superbad.

Andrew: Do you know this guy, Matt? I've never heard of him.

Matt: Yeah, he's the guy that did that TV show Freaks and Geeks.

Andrew: Oh. What is that? What show is that?

Matt: Well it was cancelled.

Andrew: [laughs] Oh.

Matt: But it was apparently really good.

Laura: Why is it that I'm failing to see how this guy came in above Heyman?

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: Like, is it just me? I don't get it.

Matt: Well he came above Steven Spielberg too. He's number one.

Laura: Yeah. How?

Andy: What was that show called?

Andrew: Freaks and Geeks.

Matt: Yeah, Freaks and Geeks.

Andy: And it was cancelled.

Matt: Yeah, it was cancelled after one season, but it's become a cult classic. A lot of people love the show.

Andy: Really smart then, isn't he?

Andrew: Well, Entertainment Weekly says: "Smart becausethis year he didn't just bring the funny he changed the whole funny business." Then they go into a whole thing about, you know, explaining that. But, yeah, I mean, you know it is funny we were just talking about this other day about David Heyman. How great of a guy he is to be managing this entire Harry Potter production for the past seven or eight years now.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: I mean, you know, that whole production is a huge thing and he oversees almost all of it.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: And just sticking with it and loving it, you know, he deserves a lot of credit.

Micah: And he has been credited...

Matt: It has aged him terribly.

Micah: Yeah. Probably. [laughs]

Matt: [laughs] Could you just imagine how much sleep he gets?

Andrew: [laughs] And he has got a hot wife.

Laura: I don't know, I thought he looked like he was - I don't know. I don't want to put myself into a weird position here but I thought he looked okay. Like, I do not think he look aged. [laughs]

Andrew: You do not want to put yourself in a weird position, but you think he looks okay.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: I don't want you guys to be like "Oh you think David Heyman is hot?" Because, well never mind. [laughs]

Matt: We wouldn't put ourselves in a weird position for him.

Andrew: Yeah, and keep your positioning to yourself, Laura. Please.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: No, shut up. I am not talking to you.

[Everyone laughs]


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The Wall of Fame that we started, that we opened up a few weeks ago is not complete as we consider it. Go to and at the top there is a banner that says "MuggleCast Wall of Fame" and there you will find our favorite episodes and the favorite episodes voted on by the fans. One of the big ones that was voted on by everyone was Episode 59, I think it was. "Time to Talk Time" and when we saw those e-mails I was like "Laura do you remember that?" she was like "Yeah, yeah", that was a really good episode. We had completely forgotten about that.

Laura: It was, yeah. I had completely forgotten about that. We got into some very circular discussions about that.

Micah: Yeah. Was that the one where Kevin and Jamie kept going back and forth trying to talk about...

Laura: It sounds like something that they would gone back and forth, yeah.

Andrew: Oh!

Micah: ...going back in time?

Andrew: Yeah. People say that was a very funny show for such a deep discussion and we pulled off the discussion well. Some other episodes voted on were Episode 20 where we discussed Hermione, Episode fif - no, Episode 59 was "Time to talk Time." And there's a few others in that list. And, what's going to happen from now on is whenever the listeners see an episode that really stands out to you guys, or stands out to us. If it stands out to us we will put it in if we see a lot of good feedback, but whenever the listeners see a good episode and we don't put it in, if everyone could make a giant Facebook group or one of those online petitions and be like, we think this should be on the Wall of Fame, and, you know, to get our attention and then we will do it, because every episode we can't have like five or six listeners write in and say, "Yeah, I think that was Wall of Fame worthy." So, this is basically just a collection for us to look back on and recommend to new listeners if they want to see some of our best work. Laura, what is going on in your home town of Dallas next year?

Laura: Well, as many of you know, the Portus Convention is going on sponsored by HPEF, and we recently found out that we are going.

Andrew: Yea!

Laura: Yea!

[Andy and Laura laugh]

Laura: It's so exciting.

Andrew: We are going...

Laura: I'm going home everybody!

Andrew: [laughs and sings] I'm goin' home. Just for the live show, I thought I would bring up that uhhh - what is that song by the American Idol guy?

Laura: I don't know. Matthew: Daughtry.

Andrew: Yeah. Chris Daughtry. Thank you. So, Portus 2008,, in Dallas, Texas from July 10th to the 13th. They are doing something called the Podcastpollusa or as I like to call it, the Potter Podcast Palooza at Portus Pickles! This pollusa they are doing is going to be a whole night of podcasting and what is going to happen is we are going to have our own time slot to do our show, and then there is going to be a bunch of podcasts doing their own shows all in one night at that and then at the end it is going to be a big round table of podcasters discussing Harry Potter podcasting, so it is a great idea. It's going to be a lot of fun. Visit and register up, and we will provide more details as they come along. We don't know which other podcasts are going to be there yet besides us, but we can say we will be there doing a podcast - I think it is the Friday of Portus, so I think that's July 11th. So, more news to follow about that, and lastly just a side note. We have some new holiday album art for Mugglecast. We do that every year, and be sure to check it out, because it's fun.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Of course.

Micah: Are we going to put up those pictures again, we usually do that every year, the ones by Kelly Egan.

Andrew: Yes, Kelly Egan, put them up Micah.

Micah: Done.

[Everyone laughs]

Muggle Mail: Harry Potter and Other Reading

Andrew: Okay. All right. It's time to move on to Muggle Mail now. Let's get to the first email.

Laura: Our first email comes from Desiree, age 17, from San Antonio, TX. She writes: "Hey guys, I was just listening to Mugglecast 121 and you were discussing Harry Potter and getting kids to read. The series did get me to start reading, and I have since moved on to other series and great authors. But the reason I am writing is because lately there has been a lot of talk about a different series taking the limelight away from Harry. I am talking about the Twilight series by Stephenie Meyer. Many news sources were calling the series 'the next Harry Potter' just because of the amount of fans it has gained in the past two years, and especially when it took Deathly Hallows's top spot upon release. They are even in pre-production of a movie for the first novel in the series. So I am basically wondering whether you think that a new buzz like this could draw attention attention away from such a huge franchise? I am personally a big fan of both series, but HP will always be my number one since it got me to where I am now. Sorry for the long e-mail, just wondering what you think."

Andrew: No. No.

Laura: Yeah, I don't know.

Andrew: No.

Andy: I don't know. Can I just say that every book series that I've heard being called 'the next Harry Potter,' and I don't know, I don't buy it.

Laura: I mean, I know a lot of people are Twilight fans. I think that it's definitely, I mean, it's got huge potential to have the kind of following that Harry Potter has, but I don't think it's going to take away from the franchise.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Harry Potter's just one of those things that even people who don't read Harry Potter know what Harry Potter is.

Andrew: Right. And there's fandoms that are all going to flock to this film. I'm sure there's a big Twilight following, but nothing like Harry Potter and the Harry Potter fandom is never going to change. They're not going to be like, oh, forget Harry Potter. We have Twilight now. You know? Because Harry Potter is not dead yet. There's still a few more exciting things to come.

Matt: Well, but there may be a time when that happens, too. I mean, look what happen to Star Trek with Star Wars. I mean, Star Trek was the big thing, everyone, everybody was a huge fan of Star Trek and then Star Wars came and pretty much blew them out of the water.

Andrew: Realy?

Laura: So, I mean...

Andy: If there's another wizard book coming, they wouldn't have to do that, because they've got space-ish.

Matt: Well, and they also do have a lot of Star Trek conventions, too, and there's a whole huge group of people that do that also. So, yeah.

Laura: Yeah, but I mean, if you think about stuff like Lord of the Rings, which had a huge following in its day, and there's still tons of people who are into it. I mean, their fandom's not as active as Harry Potter is, but I don't think that Lord of the Rings lost any fans to Harry Potter when it came out.

Matt: Well, it's a fantasy genre, also. It's a huge genre that not one subject can take over.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Well, as far as what Andy brought up with new wizard books, I mean, has Eragon really taken anything away? I mean, I know it's not exactly the same type of a story, but it hasn't really taken anything away from Harry Potter, I don't think, and that's kind of the next biggest thing I can think of that has come out around the same time.

Andrew: It's not even as big. Yeah. I don't even think it's as big, though. And just a side note, which I think is kind of interesting, for the longest time now, since the first Eragon book came out, it was supposed to be a trilogy, three books.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs] Not anymore.

Andrew: Now the author has announced there is going to be a fourth book.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Oh really?

Andrew: I don't think it is. He wrote up a good reason for why there is going to be a fourth, but all I'm saying is this is just a way to just pull some extra money. Like, I mean, you're adding a fourth book to the trilogy. It just doesn't make sense.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: That's kind of cheap.

Micah: It seems like he had it pretty well set from the beginning.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: So, technically, to add another book - I kind of agree with what you are saying.

Laura: Yeah, I know. Just one last note on Twilight, just the impression I've gotten, like, I have a couple of friends who read it, and it just seems like something more geared towards girls. I think - I don't know what kind of affect that will have on it. It seems like Harry Potter would be more widely encompassing fandom, just because it attracts readers of both genders and, like, I doubt that a whole bunch of guys are going to leave Harry Potter for Twilight. So...

Andrew: Can I be honest? I've never even heard of Twilight.

Matt: Yeah, what is Twilight?

Micah: Me neither.

Andy: Me neither.

[Laura laughs]

Laura: I believe it's - I've never read it, but it's a vampire romance novel. I have somebody here that reads it actually.

Muggle Mail: Harris' Words About McKllen

Andrew: The next e-mail back comes from Lauren,15, of Omaha, Nebraska. She writes:

"Hey, MuggleCast, I was just listening to the recent podcast when I decided to look up what Richard Harris said about Ian McKellen. So here is the exact quote, courtesy of IMDB. ‘No one trusts me anymore. I spent half the movie Maigret arguing with people and I was accused of causing big on-set rows. But what they won‘t tell you is that I was fighting for Simeneon. I fought for the maintenance of quality. I don't believe in lying down on the job. I've seen these so-called 'nice' actors. Very able fellows like Ian McKellen and Kenneth Branagh. But they're like bank managers. So sweet and careful. Who needs them? We're suffering a plague of good taste. Give me Sean Penn and Mickey Rourke any day. They project danger. That's what makes acting, and life, interesting." Brutal words."

Laura: Yeah. It's interesting that he mentioned Kenneth Branagh because he played Lockhart in the second film. I wonder what that made the set like.

Andrew: Well, for the record, this could have been said before Harry Potter.

Laura: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like if they got together on set, it must have been like, "So..."

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Jerk.

Andrew: Thank you, jerk. Look whose starring along aside of you now.

Andy: Could you imagine, though, a whole set with a bunch of Sean Penns and Mickey Rourkes? So...

Laura: No.

Andy: Everyone is going to have a black eye, at least.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

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