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Micah: Because Andrew's anger is about to go through the roof, this is MuggleCast Episode 123 for December 9th, 2007.

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Andrew: Good December, ladies and gentlemen. We're back for another week on the show and Matt and Micah are here.

Matt: Hi.

Micah: Hey.

Andrew: We are down to the bottom of the barrels, so to speak, when it comes to MuggleCast ho-hosts. [laughs]

Matt: Awww.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: You're sweet.

Andrew: Ho! Ho! Ho! I'm in the merry mood. Everyone has given up on the show at this point. Laura is studying for finals. Eric is touring New Zealand for the eighteenth billionth time before he leaves. Jamie is finishing up school. Ben is busy. Kevin is nowhere to be found, and it's just a mess. And I have to wonder when people like Laura skip out on the show for one week, just because of finals. Matt has finals next week, but is he dropping out? No! I have finals in two weeks! Am I dropping out? No! We don't turn off our MuggleCast recording boxes just because of finals, like Laura does. What is wrong? [sighs]

Matt: Well, I don't really care about my finals because I'm failing my class anyways, so...

Andrew: Exactly. Me, too. But we have a great show for everyone today. I'm Andrew Sims.

Matt: Mhm. I'm...

Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: Dammit!

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Were you cutting me off like the one time I go second in 123 episodes?

Matt: You went before me last time. I always thought you liked going last.

Micah: Oh, so you want to go first this time? Go ahead.

Matt: You want sloppy-seconds? Fine.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

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Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week's top Harry Potter news stories. Hey Micah!

Micah: All right, thanks Andrew. Actor Alan Rickman, who plays Severus Snape in the Harry Potter films, has recently donated two of his autographed scripts from Goblet of Fire, a signed headshot, and a Hogwarts Quidditch shirt to an online charity auction. This auction is to support Artists for a New South Africa, which mainly strives to advance human and civil rights in South Africa, among other many objectives. Bidding ends on December 14th.

Jim Hill Media, a new website blog that we should be getting used to hearing from for theme park updates, has a new entry which reveals construction is now underway to prepare the area. It says:

Well, once it's been determined that the Universal Orlando Resort has a level working surface which will actually be to support the weight of this several-hundred-ton structure (Which is quite a concern in sinkhole-prone Central Florida), then construction can then begin in earnest on Hogwarts Castle. With first the footings & foundation work getting underway in January, which will then be followed by vertical construction on this enormous show building in the late winter or early spring of next year.

Additional updates and construction photos can be found on Jim Hill Media. As construction moves along, you can be sure to find the latest updates and complete information in the Theme Park section of

Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, and Rupert Grint were all named some of the top earning "20 under 25" stars according to Forbes magazine. Dan took the top honors for the male actors, landing the countdown at number six, racking in $15 million. Emma came in 15th with $4 million along with co-star Rupert, closely following at number 16. E! Entertainment will have a one-hour special on this countdown on Saturday, December 22nd, at 6 PM Eastern.

And having shot a special piece on Wizard Rock back in June, MTV has now released a Top 10 list of their favorite Wizard Rock bands.

Finally, on Barbara Walters' 10 Most Fascinating People of 2007 special, J.K. Rowling was named the number one most fascinating and "magical" person of the year. The Harry Potter author also recently updated her site to recap the four months since the release of Deathly Hallows, answer questions surrounding "Chapter 35, King's Cross", and provide information on Harry and Dudley's relationship as well as the elder wand.

That's all the news for this December 9th, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: All right, thank you, Micah.

Micah: You're welcome, Andrew.

Andrew: I'm going to yell this entire show because I'm really frustrated at the lack of co-hosts. Ah! [Takes deep breaths]

Micah: I think you need to calm down a little bit.

Matt: Just a little bit, dude.

News Discussion: Wizard Rock

Andrew: I'm really worked up. MTV published a list of the "Top Ten Wizard Rock Bands" this week, and it sort of sent the wizard rock community into a frenzy because the wizard rock community does not like picking favorites, so to speak, and then MTV comes out with this list, and you know MTV is sort of seen as the face of the teenage music generation, so to speak, and not many people were too happy about it. I guess the ten bands that did get featured were happy about it, but do you think this was a good idea for MTV?

Matt: I don't think MTV really cares.

Andrew: [laughs] Probably not. They're all corporate. And the list showed some wizard rock bands that we're friends with, notably the Remus Lupins, Alex Carpenter and the gang. Who else do we got? Harry and the Potters, the Moaning Myrtles, the Owl Post, the Whomping Willows, you know, all good bands.

Matt: Yeah. Who got number one?

Andrew: Oh, well yeah, that's the one thing. The band who got number one isn't even - I'm pretty sure it's not even officially a wizard rock band. Switchblade Kittens?

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: They didn't start as a - don't laugh, come on.

Matt: Sorry.

Andrew: Come on, shhh. [laughs] Switchblade Kittens. They started as a band that has nothing to do with Harry Potter, then when their second album was released, it was about Harry Potter. So they got in this top ten list - I guess they got number one just because of how professional their albums are. It is a very professional studio feel if you give them a listen. However, they're not a real wizard rock band, and I seriously doubt they're the most popular. So, whatever. I don't think MTV did all their research on that one.

News Discussion: The Trio's Earnings

Andrew: But, in other news, the Trio were three people out of a long list of people who were named the Top Young Entertaining Earners, if I sentenced that right. Dan Radcliffe was, of course, number one. He has earned 15 million, and the article says that that's more than performers twice his age like Jennifer Aniston and Sandra Bullock. And Emma Watson and Rupert Grint both earned four million apiece.

Matt: So Dan earned 15 million, and Emma and Rupert just got four?

Andrew: Yeah, four apiece, despite the fact that in my opinion, they're just as important...

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Dan.

Matt: The three are irreplaceable at this point. They were pretty much irreplaceable after the first movie.

Andrew: Right. Yeah. Then a few weeks ago, or a few months ago I should say, there was even some controversy that Emma Watson was holding out for more money.

Matt: [laughs] Oh.

Andrew: I mean, WB would never ever let her go! [laughs] That would shake up - if you're going to let her go, heck, let Dan Radcliffe and Rupert Grint go. You're already screwing up the trio; it just would not be complete.

Micah: Well you know what it was really, is that Ben - Ben wouldn't allow that to happen. So...

Andrew: [laughs] Ben would not let that happen, that's right.

Micah: He has so much pull too. I mean, come on guys.

Andrew: Yeah. Speaking of pull, Andy McCray had just joined us.

Andy: Good morning, slash afternoon.

Andrew: Good morning, Andy. What time is it over there in Australia?

Andy: It's 1 p.m., Friday.

Andrew: Ah nice. Wow, you are - God.

Matt: You are God.

Andrew: Are you guys just like living in one big time machine or something? How do you possibly live in the future?

Andy: It's pretty good; I actually know what happens to you tomorrow. So, it's good.

Andrew: Really? Wow.

Andy: Yep.

Andrew: What happens to me?

Andy: You put this show out, and everyone downloads it.

Andrew: Oh, wow. That's weird, because I usually don't put the show out until Sunday.

Andy: Hmmm.

Andrew: What is my future self thinking!

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

News Discussion: The Golden Compass

Andrew: Anyway. There wasn't really any much other news this week. However, we did want to mention that The Golden Compass was released on Friday. And there has been a little controversy following this book, just like Harry Potter. Right, Matt?

Matt: Yeah. Well, not only Harry Potter but like, The Da Vinci Code, and any other movies?

Andrew: No. Well.

Matt: I would say maybe - well yeah. Whenever there's religion even plugged into a movie, there's going to be some kind of boycott.

Andrew: Now, has anyone here read The Golden Compass?

Micah: No.

Matt: No.

Andy: No, sorry.

Micah: I was thinking about it.

Andrew: Well apparently it hits religion more than Harry Potter does, and apparently in the book, the plot involves trying to kill God, or trying to kill a god in the books.

Matt: Right.

Andrew: So that's of course stirred a lot of controversy. Much more than Harry Potter should be getting.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean, if you know, Harry was trying to kill God, if Jo called Lord Voldemort, "God" and Harry was trying to kill God, then yeah there would be a problem. But heck The Golden Compass is even worse. We have an article here that covers the controversy over the movie release. And, in the movie, I quote the article, "in the movie, the organization is tearing away people's..." is that demons? What is that word?

Matt: Yeah, it's daemons.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Matt: It's pronounced daemons.

Andrew: "In the movie the organization is tearing away people's daemons, or souls, to see what happens. Several groups are in opposition to the mysterious organization and many detractors think that the story is an allegory of the Catholic Church. So, obviously it is still going to be released in theaters it is still going to be big. It looks good though.

Matt: Yeah, it looks - yeah.

Andrew: I mean, look at the cast. James Bond is in it, that is an automatic win.

Matt: Yeah, that's good.

Micah: Which James Bond?

Andrew: The guy who plays - I forgetting his name right now.

Andy: Daniel Craig?

Andrew: Daniel Craig, yeah.

Micah: The more recent one, then.

Andrew: Yeah, well you know. The current Bond, Daniel Craig, is in it. And who is the actress co-starring with him?

Matt: Nicole Kidman.

Andrew: Yes, Nicole Kidman. Yes. So it looks like a good movie. Who here is going to go see it? Who here wants to see it?

Andy: Why not? Sounds good.

Matt: Well, I am fairly curious. Yeah, looks good. New Line Cinema, from Lord of the Rings.

Andrew: Yeah. I don't know...

Micah: On all the previews I see fighting polar bears, so you know, that has to equate to good movie time.

Matt: Oh, yeah man.

Andrew: Not only a fighting polar bear, a talking polar bear.

Micah: Oh wow!

Matt: With armor!

Andrew: I think it is the same one from LOST.

[Andy, Matt and Micah laugh]

Andy: Is there a big black cloud in it as well?

Andrew: Yeah, it's like all this random stuff.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I hear the polar bear actually looks real in The Golden Compass compared to LOST, though. So, that should be something to see.

Matt: Did you guys go on The Golden Compass website to find your Daemon?

Andrew: No.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: What happens?

Matt: Anybody else?

Micah: Not yet.

Matt: Am I the only dork who did it?

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Clearly.

Andrew: Yes.

Matt: Well, mine is...

Andrew: So did you find your daemon?

Matt: I did, it is a jackal.

Andrew: Oooh. Is your daemon the equivalent of your Patronus?

Matt: It is supposed to be your soul on the outside, I think. I am not going to be sure because I don't want everyone e-mailing and yelling at me for getting it wrong, but I know that your daemon is usually of the opposite sex.

Andrew: Oh.

Matt: I guess maybe it is like your other half or something, maybe? I don't know.

Andrew: But, what if you are gay?

[Andy laughs]

Matt: Well...

Andrew: No seriously.

Matt: is probably a phoenix. Just like Dumbledore.

[Everyone laughs]

Happy Birthday Jamie

Andrew: Well said. Well said. Anyway, moving on to some announcements now. Hey, guess whose birthday it is?

Matt: [in a British accent] Hello, mate.

Andrew: [laughs] Yes. Jamie Lawrence turns 21. The big 21 turning on Friday. Happy Birthday, Jamie. Too bad he cannot be here. Guess what he is doing on his birthday?

Micah: I don't think that is allowed to be said.

Matt: Yeah, I don't...

Andrew: Why not? It's legal in England.

Micah: Oh. [laughs]

Matt: Well, it is legal here. [whispers] But we do not talk about it.

Andrew: Oh true. It is, yeah. He is legal in the U.S. now. Although technically he has been legal in the U.S. since July 12th.

Micah: Yeah, that's true.

Matt: What?

Andrew: Because on English driver's licenses the date format is backwards.

[Andy laughs]

Andrew: It's day, month, year rather than month, day, year.

Matt: Oh, that's right.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: So, not that I am going to suggest anything about posing as a 21-year old in the United States if your birthday is July 12th. However, if someone where to look at his ID in the United States, they would think he was born July 12th, 1986? 87?

Andrew: 86, yeah.

Matt: 86.

Micah: So, basically the Americans are...

Matt: Stupid.

Micah: ...stupid.

Andrew: Stupid, yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: Exactly.


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Matt: [laughs] Yeah, pork.

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Matt: Uh, I thought you said "pork."

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Muggle Mail: Dudley and The Tea Cup

Andrew: All right, now it is time to move on to Mugglemail.

Micah: The first e-mail comes from Clint, age 11 from North California.

"Dear MuggleCasters: Hey, guys. I'm somewhat of a new listener to the show, and I really like Chapter-By-Chapter. It's a great way to find out the little things that you've missed in the books. However, in the latest MuggleCast, #122, which I thought was a very good one, I thought you left out one important part in Chapter Two, In Memoriam. It was the part when Harry steps on the tea cup that Dudley left for him. Since Harry saved Dudley from the dementors and Dudley saw what he really was, Dudley started being nicer to Harry. He didn't taunt him at all through Book 6. This just shows that Dudley really does have a kind heart deep down. The tea wasn't much, but it's the thought that counts. This is just another little fact, and I know it's hard to fit everything in. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Love the show, Clint."

Andrew: We actually, Micah I think that you and Laura both thought about this, but then we just didn't get to it.

Matt: Well, is it really even relevant in that chapter yet?

Andrew: No, it isn't relevant...

Matt: In the next chapter...

Andrew: It's...

Matt: In that chapter you believe that it's a booby trap or something. You don't think that he's doing it to be nice.

Micah: Right.

Andy: Right.

Andrew: Yeah, that is true. Yeah, so I guess we will discuss that in a little bit once we get to Chapter-by-Chapter today. Can I just say, Clint is 11 years old if he's not lying about his age, and he's a pretty good writer for an 11-year-old.

Matt: He's the best writer.

Micah: Yeah, I was going to say that.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: Most people leave out words, create sentences that don't make a whole lot of sense, but his was pretty well written.

Andrew: Right. Actually, he spelled "heart" wrong. He spelled it h-a-e-r-t.

Micah: Well, we'll give him a break.

Matt: But he spelled "memoriam."

Andrew: Well, yes.

[Matt laughs]

Muggle Mail: Twilight Series

Andrew: The next e-mail comes from Meghan, 20, of Stillwater, Oklahoma. She writes in response to our discussion on Twilight last week.

"I'm listening to episode 122 right now and I thought I would comment about the Twilight series. This series is very popular, and I heard about it from the former MuggleCast Fan Forums. I do not think that Twilight will ever take the place of Harry Potter because many people have never even heard of this series, I know I hadn't until I joined the forums, and many stores did not have the huge release parties for the third book in the series like the stores have done for Harry Potter releases. However, I do think it is interesting to note that often times on the forums we would have random discussions about the Twilight series way more often than we would about Harry Potter. I even pointed that out once on the forums. When I pointed it out most people told me that while it is true that we are slowly gravitating towards the Twilight series, Harry Potter will always have a special place in their hearts. Anyways, I just thought I would offer the perspective of a deeply loyal Harry Potter and Twilight fan. I love the show. Meghan."

Matt: Hmmm.

Andrew: So, I wouldn't - I mean, if they're starting to gravitate to Twilight, great, but I don't think that the fandom as a whole is gravitating towards any other series.

Matt: A lot of - I think it's mostly just the girls, will go to the Twilight. I mean, I read a little bit about what Twilight the series is about. It's about a relationship between this - between a teenage girl and this boy who I guess is a vampire. Or something.

Andrew: Okay.

Matt: And there must be this endangerment to her now because I guess there's something that's against the - I don't know what after that, but it seems like it's kind of a romantic novel but with magic.

Andrew: Mhm.

Andy: Do they have mutual attraction?

Matt: Well, it's not the mutual attraction that you think of when you first hear about it.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: It's - I think the mutual attraction is more like they're outsiders.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Andy: They're daemons?

Matt: Yes.

Muggle Mail: More on Twilight Series

Andrew: However, Matt, Saul, 16, of Mason, Arizona would beg to differ about the whole only girls read Twilight, because he writes:

"I was listening to Episode 122 when you brought up the book Twilight. To quickly clear up any confusion, Twilight is a vampire romance novel."

As Matt said.

"Following the story of Bella Swan and the troubles that have aroused between her and her love, Edward."

Just like in Enchanted!

"Anyway, you guys said 'not too many guys read Twilight. WRONG!"

In all caps.

Micah: Okay, one guy reads Twilight.

Matt: I know. It's just one guy, okay.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Wrong! One guy, at least.

Andrew: "I was reading these books before they got quote unquote big. The author happens to be the sister-in-law of one of my teachers, so she had the chance to visit our school. I threw this off and said, 'So what?' I regret this, because shortly after I began to read these books, and now love them. I soon found out that I wasn't close to being the only guy. Many, many, many guys actually read these books. I personally don't read them for the romance, but for the adventure and suspense. So, sorry, but you're wrong here. While most of the guys don't read them, many still do. Will it take away from Harry Potter? I won't lie when I say it can come extremely close to it. Twilight is quickly becoming the number one fan fiction, and even threw Harry Potter off of the number one bestseller list. I doubt that it will amount to the size of our fandom, which I will forever be loyal to, but this is certainly becoming something huge. Conclusion, yes, guys like this book, and it's not just that Dumbledore liked guys, either."

[Andrew and Andy laugh]

Andrew: Good point, good point. Okay. I don't know if I can still agree with that whole Twilight is becoming big because I hadn't heard of it before last week's show.

Micah: Well, it's interesting - last week all four of us were pretty sure we hadn't heard of it before. I think Laura was the only one who had. So...

Matt: And she had only heard of it because of her friend.

Micah: Yeah.

Matt: A friend of a friend's cousin's sister's hairdresser's...

Micah: And this kid is only promoting it because his friend's sister-in-law is the one who wrote the book.

[Andrew and Andy laugh]

Andrew: On it has an average customer rating of four-and-a-half stars, so it's definitely not a terrible book.

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