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MuggleCast 125 Transcript

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[Show music begins]

Micah: Because Santa brought Jamie back for our holiday show, this is MuggleCast Episode 125 for December 23rd, 2007.

[Show music continues to play]

Andrew: All right the holidays are upon us this week, and Jamie's back finally.

Jamie: Hey guys, and girls, and...

Andrew: [makes voice deeper] Why are you talking in such a deep voice?

Jamie: I was because I haven't been here for so long my voice has broken again, which I've just disproven...

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: ...because I've started talking in my normal voice, so that's a good start.

Andrew: Ah, Jamie. It's been awhile. A lot of people have missed you.

Jamie: It has been awhile. I've missed everyone and the show, and I've missed everything. It's been a tough semester, that's why. And my internet there is awful.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Seriously, I can't even tell you how bad it is. It's very fast. I can download 3-megs-a-second, which, by the way, is awesome. However it doesn't work, which is dreadful.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: And the internet sucks anyway.

Andrew: Awww. That's terrible.

Jamie: But yeah, I'm very, very pleased to be back. Very pleased to be back.

Andrew: This isn't really the best time for you to come back. I mean, because we are in this holiday season, you're not really a fan of...

Jamie: No, I'm not a fan of this holiday season. I hate commercialization. Matt, do you agree?

Matt: I usually just fast forward through the commercials.

Jamie: No, no, no. I mean...

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: Christmas now is just so - all you seen on TV is "treat you're family this Christmas." And it's like, "Oh, wow! Christmas is in a week, I should really be buying stuff." Then you remember that it happens next year, and the year after...

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: ...and the year after that, and "Oh wow! I don't have to do anything special this year!" Once you realize that, you realize that it's just another day.

Matt: It should portray someone who's poor and depressed.

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: Yeah, exactly. Help someone out. Help someone out.

Andrew: Well, we got a great show for everyone. I'm Andrew Sims.

Jamie: I'm Jamie Lawrence.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Matt: And I'm Matt Britton.

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Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week's top Harry Potter news stories. Micah.

Micah: All right, thanks Andrew. TIME magazine has announced its top people of 2007 and J.K. Rowling made the list at number three, behind Vladimir Putin and Al Gore. The article features some new quotes from the author saying:

"There have been times since finishing, weak moments," she says, "when I've said, 'Yeah, all right,' to the eighth novel." But she's convinced she's doing the right thing to take some time away, do something else. She's working on two projects now, an adult novel and a political fairy tale. "If, and it's a big if, I ever write an eighth book about the [wizarding] world, I doubt that Harry would be the central character," she says. "I feel like I've already told his story. But these are big "ifs". Let's give it 10 years and see how we feel then."

CBBC Newsround has revealed information about casting for the following Hogwarts student roles in the upcoming Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince:

Cormac McLaggen will be played Freddie Stroma, Blaise Zabini by Louis Cordice, Romilda Vane by Anna Shaffer, Katie Bell by Georgina Leonidas, Leanne (Katie Bell's friend) by Isabella Laughland, and Marcus Belby by Robert Knox.

All the actors and actresses are relative newcomers so not much is known about them at the moment - we will update you as information is released. The film is set to be shown in theatres on November 21st, 2008.

ITV has sent MuggleNet two preview clips of the J.K. Rowling documentary, J.K. Rowling: A Year in the Life, which will air on December 30th on ITV1 at 7 PM, lasting one hour.

MSN has released its Most Influential Women list for the year 2007 and Jo Rowling made the cut. Notably, she was the only author featured. MSN writes:

"Rowling's wizarding world has not so much influenced modern culture as grown deep roots into the heart of it. Rowling's epic fantasy series has made a lasting impact on, well, just about all of us."

J.K. Rowling updated her official website earlier this week with a new news entry, FAQ, and fan site award. In her news update, Jo reflects on her experience watching the bids climb for the seventh copy of The Tales of Beedle the Bard. She said:

"It is fortunate that nobody was filming my reaction while the bids climbed higher and higher. Fiddy, Angela, Christine and I were sitting around Fiddy's laptop in our office (the aforementioned being my PA and the invaluable assistants who deal with the postbag), watching a live link to Sotheby's. Once the amount hit a million, I kept swearing loudly..."

See, I knew she had this side in her.

"...with every successive bid, and when we reached the final amount, the air turned a lovely shade of blue."

Finally, Yahoo! recently released some of their year-end awards with the Harry Potter series grabbing various honors. Emma Watson came in at number three and Dan Radcliffe at number ten on the list of the 10 Most Popular Stars of 2007.

Order of the Phoenix was named one of the 10 Most Popular Movies of the year, claiming the number five spot, and the trailer for the fifth Harry Potter film ranked at number four in the category of 10 Most Popular Trailers of 2007.

That is all the news for this December 23rd, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Happy Holidays and back to the show.

News Discussion: Half-Blood Prince Filming

Andrew: Alright, thank you, Micah. Hey, we have some news to go over this week, some good news. WB has made some more casting announcements for Cormac McLaggen, Blaise Zabini, Romilda Vane, Katie Bell, Leanne (Katie Bell's best friend), and Marcus Belby. The thing about this casting announcement is that these are all no-names.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: They're - they really don't have a name for themselves...

Laura: Who's Leanne?

Jamie: Oh come on, Laura. You're - Harry Potter knowledge, oh my God.

Matt: Come on.

Andrew: It's Katie Bell's best friend.

Matt: Hello? She's the...

Laura: I don't remember.

Matt: She's the one who's friends with Katie Bell.

[Andrew and Jamie laugh]

Laura: No but, I mean - really, I don't remember this character.

Jamie: Matt hits the nail on the head.

Matt: Yeah...

Andrew: She's the one who...

Matt: She was the one - remember when Katie got a hold of one the cursed objects and she went out - crying out.

Jamie: [laughs] Oh, Matt...

Laura: I thought that Alicia Spinnet was Katie Bell's best friend.

Jamie: Come on, guys. This terminology is so unspecific.

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: "Remember when in that place Katie Bell..."

Andrew: Well wait, is Matt being serious? Are you being serious, Matt?

Jamie: Of course he's being serious.

Matt: Of course I'm being serious.

Jamie: What's happened to you guys since I've been gone?

Andrew: Well, that's pretty good, because I can't remember Leanne or Katie Bell's best friend. [laughs]

Jamie: What's happened to you all?

Matt: Geez.

Jamie: Have you - -do you even remember what we're talking about? What this podcast is about?

Andrew: Oh, whatever, Jamie. Whatever.

Jamie: I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed.

Andrew: It's a Harry Potter podcast.

Matt: Oh, shut up, Jamie, you don't remember either.

Jamie: I do. I can tell you everything about that. Everything, Matt. Everything. Shall I?

Laura: Jamie, you haven't been on in ten billion years. You don't remember anything.

Jamie: Okay, fine. Laura, Leanne is her friend. When they were in Hogsmeade and she got given the necklace, Matthew, Matthew.

Matt: Well, I knew it was a necklace; I didn't want to say it was a Horcrux, because I didn't think it was. I don't know what the *bleep* it was called.

Andrew: So we do know who she is. But anyway, back to the point, these aren't really any, none of these actors we know, so it's sort of disappointing.

Jamie: It's true.

Andrew: We can't really talk about them.

Matt: I think it's nice, though. They actually cast an actual Katie Bell, though.

Jamie: I agree, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. That's a positive confirmation.

Jamie: It's kind of nice to have unknowns as well, because, you know, I find it extremely hard to un-typecast actors and actresses.

Matt: Yeah.

Jamie: Especially, you know, for these kind of roles.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: So, if it's a famous person and they play basically a character who doesn't really matter, like...

Matt: And it's cheaper.

Jamie: ...Romilda Vane. I know that's mean, but I didn't mean it like that. I just mean a character who isn't a main character.

Andrew: Right. And I think we've seen that through Evanna, who came out of nowhere and did a fantastic job, that they can pick some really good no-names, so to speak, and create some great portrayals.

Jamie: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And it's nice to see some untapped talent come into the limelight, as well. So, it's good. But wait a minute, Andrew, isn't Zabini his first name? Isn't Blaise his second name?

Laura: No.

Jamie: Oh. Well done, I was testing you after ten weeks. Both of you are still very, very good. Well done. Ten out of ten.

News Discussion: J.K. Rowling and TIME's Person of the Year

Andrew: In some other news, J.K. Rowling was not named Time's "Person of the Year." She was the second runner-up, coming behind Vladimir Putin...

Jamie: Who looks like Dobby.

Andrew: ...and number two Al Gore.

Jamie: Who doesn't look like Dobby.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: What do you guys think of this? There has already been some controversy over Vladimir Putin being named the TIME "Person of the Year." Someone described it as "disgusting." I forget who, but I saw it on CNN.

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: You heard it here first, guys.

Laura: Well, it's not necessarily the person who had the best influence, I suppose. I think it's just the person who had the most influence.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: What's it ranked on? It's weird. It's sort of... There's quite a mix of people there. You know, a head of state - what's Al Gore now? Is he like a Vice President, or is he...

Laura: No, he won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Jamie: Oh, I see. That's cool.

Andrew: He's been recognized a lot for his work against global warming.

Jamie: I see.

Andrew: So he's been very adamant on that. So, yeah, I can definitely see him being...

Jamie: And then Jo third. That's pretty cool.

Andrew: ...the "Person of the Year." I guess that's pretty good.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Coming behind the guy that stopped global warming. Or, is trying to stop it.

Jamie: But then, we have to remember that TIME also voted Hitler their person of the year, so I wasn't too sure about that.

Andrew: Right. [laughs] That's true. I think they did this just to create controversy.

Jamie: You were a front runner, Andrew, but they decided against you in the end.

Andrew: Oh, no, last year it was me. And it was you.

Jamie: Oh, yes. Oh, I forgot about that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: That was it, yeah.

Andrew: We were all TIME's "Person of the Year."

Jamie: TIME "Person of the Year."

News Discussion: Amazon Reveals Beedle the Bard Summaries

Andrew: Yeah. In other news, Amazon has posted all five reviews for the five tales in Beedle the Bard. I don't know if you guys have read these yet, but Amazon did a really good job reviewing these tales, and they give you a good look at what J.K. Rowling has written in Beedle the Bard. And I was really impressed. I mean, these are just like classic fairy tales, and they're so clever. They're so fun. They're so just witty and delectable.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I just love them. Have you guys read these reviews?

Laura: Yeah. I read - I paid particularly close attention to the one about the Three Brothers, and I just thought it was really cool, because you hear a little bit about it in the book, but I think you get a better perspective on what exactly went on with that when you read the Amazon review.

Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: I had a quick look, but the thing that gets me about this is I always think that it's funny when like a corporation buys something because I imagine, you know, Amazon to be this huge daunting giant, made up of made up of everyone from Amazon.

Andrew: Right.

[Andrew and Jamie laugh]

Andrew: Right, right.

Jamie: It's quite weird. So who actually reviewed it? Was it like, the head of Amazon, or did every employee write like one word?

Andrew: Well I'm looking at the Beedle of the Bard page right now, and at the end of the intro it's signed Daphnie Durham. So, I'm assuming it's that girl who did it. I think it was just one reviewer, it must - you know, it had to be a really big Harry Potter fan from Amazon.

Jamie: Yeah, definitely, definitely.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And overall I think it's pretty cool, I think they've done a really good job. This is definitely a fantastic person to own this, because otherwise if it was some random guy bidding for this book, we never would have heard more about these tales.

Jamie: Yeah. [laughs] Exactly.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And I assume Jo is happy about it, having the reviews out there. I mean, that's a - I don't know.

Jamie: It's pretty cool though. I mean...

Andrew: It is cool. Yeah.

Laura: I think it's cool that they're taking it on tour and stuff so that people can see it.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: Right.

Jamie: Right. I e-mailed them asking if they had any about the tour and they said it's all very early in the planning stages. I also asked them whether or not they would be taking it to England, back to England, because I assume it's going to be in the United States, mostly.

Jamie: Are they?

Andrew: So, they said they don't know yet

Jamie: I e-mailed them, too, Andrew.

Andrew: What?

Jamie: [laughs] I e-mailed them too and said, can I have it? And they said, "No."

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Nice try. Yeah, you and 50,000 other people. Did you mention that you were from MuggleCast? That would have helped.

Jamie: Yes, I did. And they said, "Especially no."

Andrew: Wow, geez. They're so mean.

Jamie: Yeah, they are.

News Discussion: ITV J.K. Rowling Documentary Preview

Andrew: And lastly, probably one of the coolest things this week, ITV released a preview of their J.K. Rowling documentary. The clip was released to just a couple fansites, and it shows Jo finishing the book. It's really cool.

Jamie: It is cool.

Andrew: This, I mean, it was pretty funny seeing this, because of course Jo is in the Balmoral Hotel, and they have some shots of Jo typing on her laptop, and she's got a pack of Orbitz gum there, and she's got a cup of tea with some of her lipstick on it. [laughs] It's very funny.

Matt: Yeah.

Jamie: Most people put lipstick on their lips, but fair play to here.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Well usually when you drink the tea or the coffee, you know, it transfers.

Jamie: [laughs] No, I know. I was just kidding.

Matt: I bet you that camera guy, while she was writing he was establishing the shot. He was moving her tea cup to just the right position.

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, definitely.

Matt: And saying, "Oh Jo, this Orbitz come is not wrapped properly; I'm going to redo it for you."

[Andrew and Jamie laugh]

Laura: Isn't it a bit weird when you look back on it, like when she posted on her site talking about ending the book, and at the time we thought she was just alone in her hotel room, and now knowing that there was a camera crew there, it's just weird.

Andrew: Right. [laughs] Yeah.

Jamie: I could not write with a camera on me.

Laura: No, I couldn't.

Jamie: Because it's a very interactive experience, isn't it? Like, you might swear, you might you know, scratch parts of you that you don't want to appear on camera.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: You might, you know, stretch or you might like go for a shower or something. You might do stuff that you don't want to be on camera.

Matt: [laughs] Yeah.

Jamie: It must be weird to finish the book.

Andrew: I'd be sitting there naked.

[All laugh]

Jamie: Oh, is that how you write? Naked?

Andrew: Yeah! Well, I don't write much, but when I do. When I was watching this, I was thinking, you know if I was Jo and I was sitting there I wouldn't be able to concentrate properly while writing the final book.

Jamie: Exactly, yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Like, I would almost half-ass it, just so I could talk to them more, just to get it done. [laughs]

Jamie: Yeah, exactly. And does like, the camera man, you know, talk to her? Because after...

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: ..two hours of silence.

Andrew: Once she says she's finished, she says...

Jamie: Just kidding.

Andrew: You know, they're like: "Good job, Jo."

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: And she is like, "Well, you haven't read it yet."

Matt: "Shut-up."

Laura: "High fives."

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: That would have been funny.

Andrew: The only thing that got me was the fact that she was just sitting there on her laptop with Microsoft Word writing the final book. [laughs] I would think they had, like, Jo would have her own special application for writing Harry Potter.

Jamie: Yeah, and like...

Matt: Mhm.

Jamie: ...eight uninterrupted power supplies just incase one goes down and the other goes down and the next goes down and the third goes down.

Andrew: [laughs] Right.

Jamie: ...and Word, Andrew. What does she save it as? "Book 7"?

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Oh my god. Oh, I must know. How big is that Google document?

Jamie: Imagine if she lost it. Oh my god.

Andrew: Imagine if she accidentally was attaching it to a file to someone in an e-mail.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: Oh my god.

Andrew: And she accidentally sends the book. [laughs] And it is to some tabloid or something. [laughs]

Matt: Wow.

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: A lot can go wrong there. I wonder if she has that laptop password protected.

Jamie: She must.

Matt: Yeah.

Jamie: "Harry Potter Rocks" is the password, I hear.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Password is, like, "MuggleNet Four."

[Andrew, Jamie, and Matt laugh]

Jamie: That is funny. But, yeah. Word...

Matt: She can type pretty fast, too.

Jamie: ...and a Windows laptop.

Andrew: Yeah, she can type pretty fast. Very disappointed to see that she wasn't using a Mac.

Jamie: That is a bit bad, yeah.

Laura: Yeah, I mean if you are really concerned about, you know, you got this huge book on your computer, I would be very concerned to be writing that on a PC.

Jamie: Me too.

Matt: Geez.

Andrew: Yeah. Wouldn't want a virus to beat it up and but, anyway can anyone tell what part of the book she is writing here? I am reading, it says, "'A hollow tree?' said Harry 'What tree? Where were you?' 'A forest in Azkaban,' she sighed 'apparently..." something, something.

Jamie: That is not in the book though. That must be rewrite of it. Or a...

Laura: No, wasn't that when he was talking to the ghost of Rowena Ravenclaw's daughter?

Andrew: Oh!

Jamie: Well done, Laura. Second test, you passed it with flying colors.

Matt: Oh!

Andrew: [laughs] "'You told Tom Riddle didn't you?' his eyelashes flattened beneath his gaze'" or something like that.


Andrew: Let's move on to some announcements for now. First up, Happy Birthday to Laura!

Laura: Awww.

Jamie: Happy Birthday, Laura.

Andrew: Laura celebrated her birthday on Wednesday.

Jamie: How old are you Laura?

Laura: Nineteen. I feel so old.

Jamie: Yeah, yeah. Do you know how old I just turned?

Laura: Twenty-one, Jamie.

Jamie: Twenty-one, Laura. Don't feel old yet.

Laura: I knew you were going to say that. [impersonating Jamie] "You're old Laura? You're old? I'm 21."

[Jamie laughs]

Laura: It is just like last year, you were like [impersonating Jamie] "I am turning 20! Oh my god!"

Jamie: Stop saying you‘re old then. Stop saying you're old, because you're not, you are fine. You have literally a couple more years. After you turn 21e you can complain.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Okay. I will do that.

Jamie: Even though I have been complaining since I was 16.

Andrew: Another thing I want to mention was of course we have gotten a lot of reaction in terms to our announcement that we are going to be ending the show. Laura and Jamie, do you want to throw in your two cents into the hat?

Laura: We are ending the show?

Andrew: Yeah, we're ending the show.

Laura: Oh my god. I have to start sending out applications, I need a new job.

[Andrew and Jamie laugh]

Jamie: I was...

Andrew: Actually, guys, it was a big joke.

Jamie: Yeah, April fools, early.

Andrew: April Fools!

Laura: Oh, no. That is so mean you guys. We can't do that.

Andrew: That would be terrible. No, no, we are dead serious.

Jamie: We are serious.

Andrew: You guys want to add your input to it?

Jamie: I would say that if you listen to it carefully, we are not actually ending it; we are just stopping doing weekly shows. So we are changing the format, basically. We do not know what we are going to do, but it's not going be the end of MuggleCast. It is just going to be a significant change to how we do things. The biggest change we have done since we started in August 2005?

Andrew: Yeah, right.

Jamie: So, it is not like 16 more episodes and then the line is cut. The guillotine goes and MuggleCast is over.

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: We are just changing it, and we are putting out weekly with exactly the same format. So the candle will still burn, it is just going to be a bit shorter, that's all.

Andrew: Right. Some people have suggested we do a monthly show, which I wouldn't be totally against. I mean, I think we would have enough to talk about month-to-month.

Jamie: Yeah, definitely, definitely.

Laura: I think it is something to consider. It is just; a lot of it depends on what, how much is left come April. I mean, we'll be done with our Book 7 discussion, really all that will be left to discuss will be news at that point.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: And movies of course. I mean there is no reason why we wouldn't do special shows to cover movies or conventions or things like that. But I really and I feel so bad, because we have gotten so many emails and there is even a Facebook group now to try and get us to not stop weekly shows.

Andrew: I know. I know.

Laura: But honestly, you would rather us stop while we are still ahead than keep doing shows five years from now.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: And bringing up these...

[Jamie laughs]

Laura: ...contrived points that we have already heard before.

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: But you have to agree that if we get seven billion signatures...

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: In the Facebook group, we will start doing daily shows, so guys...

Andrew: Yeah right.

Jamie: ...tell your friends. Tell your friends.

Andrew: Yeah. And everyone has to keep in mind, you know, it is, we are ending it in April. That is pretty far away. I mean some people are acting like, "the end is now. We are dead. No!" But we will still have four months.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: That is still a long time.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Just thinking to get to April feels like a while from now, so don't just - what I have to say to the listeners is this: Don't lose faith in us.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Don't give up on us just because we are ending the show. We are still going to make the show just as good as it has ever been, and we are working on some things to make the show even better, but just don't give up on us. Please keep listening. [laughs]

Jamie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andrew: At least until April!

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I mean come on! [laughs]

Jamie: What I want to say is - you guys don't mind if I say this, I hope. But this is just one podcast, hopefully this will just be one podcast, and we hope to do something else as well at some point.

Laura: Oh, definitely.

Andrew: We said that on last week's show.

Jamie: Oh, okay.

Andrew: That we would like to start a new podcast.

Jamie: So, you know, MuggleCast is going to change considerably, so please stay with us.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yes.

Jamie: Please stay with us.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And I was thinking...

Matt: Don't get - oh, sorry.

Andrew: No, go ahead.

Matt: I'm just saying, don't get too hostile, because I am starting to read some of the comments, and...

Andrew: Yeah, some of them are really depressing. We realize - it makes us so, so, so, so, so, happy to hear how big of an impact MuggleCast has had in your lives.

Jamie: Yes, it really is nice.

Andrew: And that is the most flattering...

Jamie: But...

Andrew: ...thing I have ever heard, and we are so glad to hear it's made that difference, but at the same time we do have to move on at some point. And as we keep saying it's not going to be the final MuggleCast, we're still going to do them. I think we should do - after we end in April, we should start calling the shows MuggleCast Update or something like that, sort of to separate these shows in April from the ones we have done in the past. So, at least we know that MuggleCast was always a huge success.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: No matter how many downloads MuggleCast Update gets.

[Jamie, Laura, and Matt laugh]

Jamie: That's an awful name, Andrew! [laughs]

Andrew: What, MugglecCast Update?

Jamie: It's dreadful.

Andrew: Fine. We'll come up with something better.

Matt: I don't know. I thought it was pretty creative. How long did it take you to create that one?

Andrew: About five minutes.

Jamie: That's surprising. Sorry, no.

[Andrew, Laura, and Matt laugh]

Jamie: I mean. It's a very good name.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: I just, personally I don't like it.

Looking Back to 2006

Andrew: Okay, and as this is our holiday show, Matt suggested this a couple weeks ago, we should talk about things that happened a year ago that week.

Jamie: Oh yeah.

Andrew: And I listened to our episode a year ago this Christmas, and what was the big news then? Don't look at the show schedule. [laughs]

Matt: Wait, wait, let me scroll up.

Laura: How could we not know what it was?

Andrew: Honestly, I forgot. It's all a blur to me.

Laura: Andrew! Oh my gosh.

Andrew: The title of Book 7 was released right before Christmas. And we didn't even talk about - it wasn't even a holiday show. We were saved by the bell, because Jo made that announcement, so we just discussed the title that whole time. That was a very good show that time.

Laura: It really was! You think about all the things we thought the Deathly Hallows were and...

Jamie: Yeah, I know!

Laura: ...we weren't even close.

Jamie: The thing is, though, if you think, it was there all along. If you read Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and look about Invisibility Cloaks, you know, Harry's invisibility cloak is special and I guess it's kind of weird that we didn't notice. Although, of course, you can say everything in hindsight, and actually, that's not true at all because it's very well hidden.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: That kind of thing, but it's cool.

Andrew: And the other thing that was made a year ago was our final announcement to sell MuggleCast t-shirts.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Which I thought was kind of fun, because it feels like such a long time ago.

Jamie: It does.

Andrew: Maybe we'll try to do it again.

Jamie: But it's fine, Andrew, because we can start doing MuggleCast Update t-shirts, which are going to be all the rage, I tell you.

Andrew: Oh, come on, I thought it was good.

Jamie: Get your MuggleCast Update t-shirts here.

Andrew: Today!

Jamie: Today! Whoa!

Andrew: All right, let's move on to some Muggle Mail now. Jamie, we renamed - well, I renamed listener rebuttals Muggle Mail; what do you think of that?

Jamie: I like that. No, no, I think that's awesome because they weren't always rebuttals, were they? No, no, I really, really like that.

Andrew: All right, I'm glad.

Jamie: But since this is really sort of an add-on to the previous Muggle Mail, shouldn't this be like, Muggle Mail Update or something like that?

[Everyone laughs]

Muggle Mail: DVD Troubles

Andrew: Shut up. Anyway, first piece of mail comes from Danielle. She writes in response to my DVD problems last week. She says:

"My Order of the Phoenix DVD from Wal-mart is screwed up too. I thought it was just my TV, but I watched it on my friend's plasma and it was even worse. When you mentioned that the problem was during the first half-hour and the last 15 minutes I couldn't believe it, because that's exactly when mine has the issue. Just wanted to let you know it's not just you."

Laura: It's because you got it at Wal-Mart, that's why.

Andrew: I meant to - yeah. I meant to prepare for this on the show, but maybe next week for the New Year's show, we'll call WB on the air and see if I can complain and get some results.

Jamie: Imagine doing a recall of 100 million DVDs. That would be so bad.

Andrew: They'll probably just tell us to replace it.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: But next week we'll do that. One more...

Matt: We should've all went to Target, though. Target's the best.

Andrew: I know.

Matt: Right, Laura?

[Andrew and Jamie laugh]

Muggle Mail: More DVD Troubles

Andrew: Another e-mail about the DVD comes from Emily. She writes:

"I was just listening to Episode 124 where you were discussing the new Order of the Phoenix DVD. I also had a problem with my DVD. I bought the two-disc Special Edition and instead of one DVD with the movie and one with special features, I got two DVDs with the movie."

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: "Since finding out about the problem, my mom and I have returned to Wal-mMart and gotten another copy. There's no problem with the second copy."

Laura: See? Wal-mart again. I'm telling you guys. Bad employment practices. This is what happens.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Well, I mean, I don't think it's the employees at Wal-Mart. They are fine employees at Wal-Mart.

Laura: No, I'm saying they're a crappy company.

Andrew: Oh, that's mean.

Laura: They are.

Andrew: I'm sorry to all those listeners out there who do work at Wal-Mart.

Jamie: Potential libel suit as well there, Laura. You got to be careful.

Matt: Yeah, geez.

Jamie: But if you prefix it with the word "allegedly" you're fine. Allegedly.

Andrew: Don't say that, because now people who don't like us will accuse us again of copyright.

Jamie: Okay, yeah, I didn't get it from there, I got it from the show, Have I Got News For You, which is a U.K. satirical thing. So, I got it from them. Everything's copied now, Andrew, nothing's original.

Andrew: I know.

Jamie: You know, like, everything's been done before. It's just done in a different way.

Andrew: Yeah.

Muggle Mail: The Seven Potters

Laura: Our next Muggle Mail update comes from Aasa Andersson, 35, of Sweden. She says:

"Hi there. I realize that I am a week too late, but I simply have to ask you guys about this (from "The Seven Potters"). When the seven Potters change clothes in the Dursley's kitchen, Ron remarks to Harry that 'I knew Ginny was lying about that tattoo' as he looks down at his bare chest. I just want to know: how likely is it that Ron never would have seen Harry's bare chest after six years in the same dormitory and changes in the Quidditch changing room on top of that?"

Jamie: Jesus.

Laura: "It seems less likely that Ginny would have seen it, though I suppose it is possible."

Jamie: Okay, this is a PG-13 podcast. I think we should ignore this one piece of MuggleMail.

Andrew: I think that's a fair question. Unless they used their magic to change their clothes without ever becoming nakie.

Jamie: Well, they don't wash either, you know, and they don't do anything.

Laura: Or go to the bathroom.

Jamie: Or, yeah, go to the bathroom. So, it's like anything could have happened.

Andrew: That's true.

Jamie: I guess- I guess, you know...

Laura: Ron could have been joking.

Jamie: Yeah, and he could have got a tattoo as well, like - he could have gone to the Hogwarts tattoo parlor at some point.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Or maybe they were just lying about where the location was.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Exactly. Yeah.

[Jamie and Laura laugh]

Jamie: Exactly.

Andrew: It could be elsewhere.

Jamie: Anyway...

Andrew: [in dumb voice] I don't know about you girls, but I can't wait to see that scene in the movie.

[Laura and Matt laugh]

Jamie: Me too. I'm so excited.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: No.

Andrew: I wonder how they are going to do that in the movie. That would be so much work on Dan's half.

Matt: Well, he's not going to take half of the credit.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: He's not even going to do half the work. He's just going to say, "I love magic" or something.

Laura: Isn't that just an inherently awkward scene? You know, you think about it, like...

Andrew: Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: But I mean - what I mean is, it's going to be a lot of work to film.

Laura: Oh, definitely.

Matt: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andrew: I mean, eight Harrys - or no, seven - filming him seven times doing different things and then putting all those together. I cannot wait to see how they do that. I hope they do a special look on that.

Jamie: Oh yeah, that will be interesting. That will be so interesting.

Andrew: Yeah, definitely.

Jamie: Or they'll just scout the world for six very, very good look-a-likes.

[Andrew and Matt laughs]

Andrew: They might, yeah.

Jamie: Yeah.

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