MuggleCast 127 Transcript (continued)



News Discussion: Interview with Helen McCrory


Andrew: Another story, the final story we are going to talk about today, a new interview with Helen McCrory, who is coming back to play Narcissa Malfoy. She was supposed to play Bellatrix, but then she got prego.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Sorry about that.

Andrew: And now WB welcomed her back. They said, "Come on back!" We - this says to me, "We love you so much. Come on in. Be Narcissa Malfoy for us."

Laura: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: She cursed.

Andrew: Now, I know how to get everyone quiet.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: She said a swear word in her interview and Ciaran posted it on MuggleNet, and I went in and edited it out, because...

Laura: What, "bloody"?

Andrew: Was it bad?

Eric: Yeah, well, no. She said the s-h-i-t word.

Laura: Oh, and he put the - oh! I didn't see that.

Eric: It was on the main page. You see where it says, "bad"?

Laura: Oh my god.

Eric: It was on a new post.

Andrew: [laughs] I see where it says, "bad"? Yeah.

Eric: It says bad, yeah. I was like, there's a big curse word on there. Nobody was looking because they were all checking daily to see if MuggleNet was back from the hacks.

Andrew: Mhm. Yeah. Anyway, Helen says she's looking forwards to it. "It's usual to have such a successful film only starring British actors," blah, blah, blah. So, she's excited for it. Matt, you wanted to talk about this story a bit, right?

Matt: Yeah, sure, why not? So, I googled - I googled Helen and I saw a bunch of her pictures and she does have dark hair. She does look like Bellatrix, but I kind of photoshopped Evanna Lynch's hair over her.

Eric: This is what we - this is what MuggleNet employees do on their spare time.

Jamie: Surely there's an easier way, Matt, to sort of turn her hair color blonde.

Matt: I did that. It turned the back and her face white.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: That's good because she's supposed to be very pale.

Matt: She's supposed to be very pale, yeah, but she's not supposed to look like an albino.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: That's very true.

Andrew: I could see...

Jamie: That's very true, but then she could get a part in the Da Vinci Code as Silas, so she could make even more money.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: So you should help her out.

Matt: Okay, I'll do that.

Andrew: She has very sagging eyes, and that kind of reminded me of Narcissa. I think she's going to be perfect Narcissa. I think even better than Bellatrix. I mean I really like Helen.

Matt: I really like Helena.

Laura: I like Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix.

Andrew: Yeah, me too.

Matt: Mhm. She doesn't do many films. If you IMDB her...

Jamie: But they're all very good.

Matt: ...she's a very theatrical - theatre is a big thing in Britain, right?

Jamie: Yeah. It's pretty big, yeah.

Eric: Yeah, theatres a big thing in many places, but that's what upsets me though, some of my - what I think IMDB - there is a IBDB. There's an Internet Broadway Database, and stuff, but it's so hard to track authors - sorry, artists, like Alan Rickman, through their theatre productions. Like actors like them will take years off and do these theatre projects, which you just won't be able to find on IMDB, and I think that's a shame because it hinders sort of - when I'm looking them up to see if any of them are doing anything.

Jamie: It's normally well advertized, though, because they're so big in film that they keep track of them like they're celebrities in theatre as well, which they kind of are.

Eric: I think you're right.

Jamie: Normally - you can normally find them, but yeah, for the smaller ones, I guess, not as much.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Well, even for Matthew Broderick, you look at his stage credits, or film credits, on IMDB. He has, at least, twice as many stage credits. I mean, yeah, so - anyway, that's just what I was saying.

Matt: A little bit back on Narcissa's character. We're going to see her with Bellatrix in Movie 6.

Eric: And with Jason Isaacs.

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: Which is going to be great. I can't wait to see that.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Do you kind of - do you kind of see a resemblance with Draco and the two adult actors now? I mean...

Andrew: I think they - I think together in one scene they'll all look great together.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I think they could be - you could believe them to be a real family.

Matt: Well, Narcissa is definitely the thinnest of the three sisters, so I honestly think that Helen will be a very good character, because I just see a pale, skinny face of her's with droopy circles around her eyes, because she hasn't slept because of...

Jamie: Yeah. She'll be very good.

Matt: ...what happened to her husband. I think it's a very good job, better than the original casting.

Eric: Hmmm.



MuggleNet Gets Hacked


Andrew: Anyway, let's move on now. One other story I wanted to bring up, and this is quite a shame, of course. As everyone knows, MuggleNet was hacked a few days ago by some elite hacksors - like socksors - and Emerson put a good post on MuggleNet, but unbelievably, you know, some fansites call themselves the most comprehensive Harry Potter fandom, you know, news sites and yet we're the only one to actually post about MuggleNet being hacked.

Laura: Very disappointing.

Andrew: Kind of came as a surprise to me.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: I think people were just - they were hoping it didn't happen to them, you know? Because, I mean...

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: I received a message saying "Wouldn't it be funny if they have hacked MuggleNet and Leaky at the same time and made each site look like the other one?"

Andrew: [laughs] That would be pretty good!

Jamie: That would have been funny. That would have been funny.



Muggle Mail: In Defense of Molly Weasley


Andrew: Let's move on to Muggle Mail now.

Eric: First one comes from Karen, age 50, from Roanoke, Virginia. She says:

"Dear Laura and the Muggle Boys (or Muggle Update Caster, if you prefer!). I have recently just entered the world of podcasts. Upon acquiring my iPod at age 50, the first podcast I subscribed to was Mugglecast, having heard about it through one of my college interns. I am enjoying re-reading Deathly Hallows with each of your podcasts. However, being a mother to a teenage son, I feel I must rise in defense of Molly Weasley. In show 125 (please pardon my late response!)..."

That's okay.

"...you took Mrs. Weasley to task for her response to our heroic trio's planning to face Lord Voldemort. Lady and Gentlemen, your generational bias is showing! Look at it from a mom's perspective: she has lost contact with one son due to ministerial prejudice, another has been permanently scarred from a dark magic attack, her husband and three remaining sons have to leave periodically to fight a vicious foe, a resistance group calls her house home, friends are dying left and right, and she is hosting a wedding at her home in the middle of a civil war. Hosting a wedding under normal circumstances is tough, but add all of the above and you have the recipe for a nervous breakdown. Stressed doesn't begin to describe Molly Weasley. As you touched on, Molly has always been protective of her [stumbles over word "brood"] and by extension Hermione..."

Her brood? What is that word? It's "brood."

Micah: Like her children.

Laura: Yeah,it's brood.

Eric: Yeah, it's not broad. It's actually brood.

"...and by extension Hermione and Harry. Keep up the good work and I look forward to your next show!"

Matt: Wow, she's pissed.

Eric: I was going to say that. What is she talking about, us calling her out on saying "bitch" or what?

Laura: No, no, no, it was when we were talking about how - it was during the last Chapter-by-Chapter, but I'm actually the one who brought it up - about how Molly kind of got in the way of the trio planning everything. And I'm not saying she was wrong to want to protect them.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: What I was saying is that it's very frustrating when you're reading. [laughs] Because you're just, like, "Let them talk, please just for two seconds!"

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: It's true, it's true. It is frustrating.

Matt: It was just - it was the suspense.

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: You just want to actually happen and all of a sudden, just - Molly Weasley just comes in and kind of just ruins the whole scene.

Eric: Yeah. No, I think you're right. I think it was - it was quite annoying for me to read, as well, not because I was upset with Molly, but just because it was, like, "Okay, you know, are we going to get to hear something?" And then J.K.R. wrote, you know, how she fiendishly plotted them to be doing separate tasks at the same time, you know? It was just, like, you know "Oh, come on!" You know, "Please let them be together. Please.

Matt: "Please!"

Jamie: I see where she's coming from and I've always been a sort of a proponent of how, you know, you can't underestimate a mother's love for, you know, for her son and all that. But I just think it was - there are times when, you know, every person has to - you know, you can't tell everyone everything. There have to - occasionally, there have got to be secrets like that, especially in that situation, you know? I'm sure she would understand if Dumbledore - if she knew what Dumbledore had said, you know, she would probably understand. And, you know, it's tough to make choices. Those three could have told them or they could have trusted Dumbledore and they made a choice and...

Eric: Not to.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: You know, the other thing they chose, Jamie, is - if they would have chosen to go back to Hogwarts, they could have done any and all planning they had once they were there.

Jamie: No. It was too dangerous though. They'd have been killed, easily.

Matt: Yeah, no. They'd have been...

Eric: It's true...

Matt: Look at what happens to Neville.

Eric: Yeah, so I guess you were right. Certain circumstances have happened, otherwise. But I was thinking, well, then Molly wouldn't be there and she would that would be a perfect place to wait till but things happen sooner than that. You're right.



Muggle Mail: Keeping Voldemort In Mind


Andrew: Let's move on to the next e-mail now.

Matt: Okay.

Andrew: It comes from Grace. She says:

"Hi MuggleCasters, I was just listening to your podcast and I noticed some mistakes in your statements on Deathly Hallows regarding Harry letting Voldemort into his mind. You state that Harry first lets Voldemort into his mind in Chapter 7 but it actually happened first in Chapter 5, 'The Fallen Warrior' at the end of the chapter in which Harry notices Voldemort torturing Ollivander. The quote from Hermione is also actually the last sentence of this chapter. Thank you for the great podcast. Happy New Year."

Matt: Oh!

Micah: Yeah, that's my fault. So...

Andrew: Good job, Micah!

Matt: Yep. Micah. Geez.

Andrew: Thank you! Good job. Take one for the team.

Eric: Come on, Micah! Don't beat yourself up about it. I think it was my fault too.

Andrew: This is why we have about ten listeners left.

Micah: Yeah...

Andrew: Jerk.

Micah: I don't beat myself up about it. I let Andrew do that for me. [laughs]

Jamie: What, beat himself or beat you up?

Andrew: Do the beating.

Micah: Beat me up. Yeah. He beat me up.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Andrew, hit me.

Jamie: Wow!

Andrew: Micah likes to be spanked.

Jamie: Ohhh!

Andrew: I'll just leave it at that.

Laura: Whoa!



Muggle Mail: Overusing Spells


Andrew: [laughing] Wait. Laura, our next e-mail?

Laura: "In Episode 125 you were talking about how Expelliarmus is Harry's signature spell but can we talk about Voldemort's signature spell? Voldie successfully Avada Kedavras a lot of people throughout the course of the Harry Potter story, but when it comes to trying to AK Harry, he gets really stubborn about it. Everytime he's tried to use the spell on Harry bad things have seemed to happen to him. When Harry was one, the AK spell backfires and blasts Voldemort out of his body. When Harry's fourteen, the AK spell is the one he uses to spark off the Priori Incantatem. When Harry is fifteen, in the Ministry lobby, Dumbledore made a statue dance in front of Harry to take the blast instead. Also, Fawkes ate one spell, but I can't remember if that was going to Harry or Albus. When Harry is sixteen, almost seventeen, Voldemort flies at him and tries to use his wand, but it friggin' explodes.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: "When Harry is seventeen, in the forest, Voldemort uses the spell and not only does it not kill Harry, but it sends him to the floor of King's Cross station. So, in the final showdown between Harry and Voldemort you'd think the damned Dark Lord would use a freezing spell or something and then hit Potter with an axe."

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: "I know he's all about the killing spell, but he must be insane. I guess, in the end, that it's a good thing for the good guys."

Eric: Addicted to spells. The death curse.

Jamie: The thing is, though...

Matt: He wouldn't use an axe!

Eric: He should!

Jamie: He should. That's his weakness, yeah.

Matt: Well, but he's a Muggle who wants to use power and magic!

Jamie: Throughout the entire books Dumbledore has said that he fears death the most, so he tries to cast death on his enemies, when really he should try something else.

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: Like a gun.

Jamie: Like a - yeah, like an AK47.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: And another thing is, the reason - I mean Voldemort...

Matt: He just pulls it out of his robes.

Jamie: Yeah. Well, he can hold a wand in there, he might as well have some guns.

Eric: [mimicking Voldemort] "Harry Potter! Say hello to my leetle friend!"

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: [imitating Arnold Schwarzenegger] "Asta la vista, baby!"

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Eat lead, Potter.

Andrew: See, Voldemort keeps trying to do Avada Kedavra. I mean, of course he's going to use Avada Kedavra in the final book when he wants to kill him in any time possible. He doesn't want to waste his time to freeze him.

Jamie: That's true.

Andrew: That makes Voldemort look weak. He doesn't want to look weak, he just wants to go straight for the kill. I mean, yeah, I think it's different like, she brings up a good argument and she obviously did her research here, but...

Laura: He.

Andrew: Sorry, he. James Brown which, I don't know how you could possibly write an e-mail, but anyway!

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Papa's Got a Brand New Bag.

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: [impersonating James Brown] "Ha! Watch me! Watch me!"

Eric: I got it.

Andrew: I don't know. I just I think these are two different cases. You know, Voldemort's signature spell is Avada Kedavra because that's all he wants to do is kill people.

Eric: Well, I think that's safe to say that all the Death Eaters signature spell is Avada Kedavra. I mean, you rarely see that and Crucio. I mean, some of them are addicted to Crucio, but...

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Mhm.

Jamie: He's the one that took chances though, like...

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: ...why torture them when you can get rid of them immediately?

Andrew: Exactly, yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: So they wouldn't be a threat any more, you know?

Andrew: Voldemort can't switch his move because there's only one killing spell, but Harry, on the other hand, can switch his move because there's [mumbling over words] - there are several defensive spells.

Eric: Plenty of options.

Andrew: Exactly, like...

Eric: Stun, Disarm, Petrificus Totalus you know petrify. Unlock! You could use Alohomora on them and just unlock the bad guys.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: The whole reason why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry was because of the prophecy. He knows that he wants to live and in order for him to live he's got to kill Harry...

Jamie: Yeah, that's also very true.

Matt: So that's just his reaction. His impulse is to kill him.

Eric: I just think that it was clever to also mention the thing that has happened to Voldemort when he has tried to cast The Killing Curse, except I thought at the very end he actually did when The Killing Curse hit Harry I thought it did actually kill him. It was just that like that's the whole thing with the ending of Book 7. When Voldemort casts The Killing Curse on Harry he does blank out. It wasn't an immediate sort of rebound that didn't work sort of thing, and Voldemort thinks he's dead. You know? when he comes back.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Yeah, sure, he goes to Kings' Cross and has that little dream, but I was under the impression that Harry was just hit by The Killing Curse and when he had the chance to come back it was because of the - obviously the Horcruxes or whatever. I thought that it hit him.

Laura: It did hit him.

Eric: Okay.

Laura: [laughs] Yeah, yeah.

Matt: He couldn't die because he was part of Voldemort.

Eric: Right, but the spell hit him. It's not like it...

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Well it doesn't kill Harry but I thought...

Matt: He finally got hit by The Killing Curse.

Jamie: It had to happen at some point.

Eric: Yeah. [laughs]



Chapter-by-Chapter: A Place to Hide


Andrew: All right, let's move on to Chapter-by-Chapter this week. This week, we're going to talk about chapter what chapter is it, nine?

Matt: Nine, yeah.

Eric: Just nine.

Andrew: Chapter nine, what was it called again?

Matt: A Place to Hide.

Eric: So we're going to segway right into Chapter-by-Chapter, but it's different this week. Andrew, how's it different?

Andrew: Well, yeah. We're going to do it a little differently I mean, people were saying with last weeks episode it was a bit rushed so with this weeks episode we're going to instead of doing the top five items we're just going to we're just going to go all out and talk about everything we found in the chapter. And also we're doing one chapter this week as opposed to two. So yes, this does mean the show won't be ending in early April. It will finish when we finish with Chapter-by-Chapter.

Eric: So we'll work it out, we'll just see what works.

Andrew: [singing] "We can work it out." Short summary of this chapter: basically this is an easy chapter. Of course this is right after the Dementors come down on the I'm sorry the Death Eaters come down on the wedding and Harry, Ron and Hermione have to get out. And they run for it and they look for a place to hide, hence the chapter title.

Eric: Very nicely done.

Matt: Very good.

Andrew: Thanks, thanks. So we'll start with the first thing here - I believe this was Matt's point.



Ties to Goblet of Fire


Matt: Hmmm? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. When I was reading the very beginning of the chapter it was very reminiscent of Goblet of Fire in the camp of the Triwizard Tournament when everyone was running around and the Death Eaters were there. And especially in the movie, it was very exaggerated when Harry and Hermione got separated from the crowd, and this situation almost occurred in Book 7 because the crowd was separating them too, at the wedding, but Harry made it a point to keep a hold of Hermione this time - while Hermione was screaming for Ron.

Andrew: Yeah. I thought that was a nice parallel.

Laura: Mhm, yeah.

Andrew: So the next point we wanted to talk about - Eric this is yours.



The Patronus and the Escape


Eric: As Micah left off last week, the last point, if I remember correctly, was that the moment the Patronus lands and sort of glides down in the middle of the dance floor it is a really big "Holy Bleep" moment. Is that what Micah was saying? It was just so...

Micah: Yeah, I said it was a the first "Holy [censored]" moment of the series.

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah, it was superb, it was so well done.

Andrew: Mhm.

Jamie: Just how something so innocent could cause so much rush and panic and trouble. It was very good.

Eric: And just going into this chapter, I'm sure people were just racing through the pages.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: And it's written in a pace that is sort of like that which is really kind of cool. But then JK Rowling writes that :sound was extinguished as they are squeezed through space and time," so when Harry grabs onto Hermione she takes him on Side-Along Apparition. Again with the squeezing and stuff - she's always demonstrated that Apparition is not a fun thing, that it is this kind of squeezing through a tube. She has really cool ways of writing all the ways in which Harry travels. Like through Floo powder and Apparition and that kind of stuff. I just thought it was cool but it was also a nice get-away because you imagine them - well you know what I imagine when I read this, I imagine Stargate. Have you ever seen that movie? When they go through the gate where everything behind them is just silenced and they're going through space.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: That's what I always think about. I always imagine it taking an amount of time, you know, going through space and time. So yeah, all I wanted to say was that she's still adamant about the squeezing and popping and silencing. And obviously they escaped.

Andrew: It just keeps it very fast paced.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Because otherwise if they were all Apparating at the same time, it would be like, "Okay, you're going next!" And then, "I'll go next!" Blah, blah, blah. "We're wasting time!" Blah, blah, blah. You know, it's slow but with this, just Hermione grabs them and then, "Poof!" They switch, they move.



Hermione's Purpose


Jamie: Again this gives way to our theory a few weeks ago that without Hermione, they would be dead.

Micah: Be screwed.

Eric: It's true.

Laura: Mhm.

Jamie: They can't think fast enough. Especially Harry, he can never think fast enough for it

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Do you think this is the whole purpose of Hermione? Like, she's been helpful in every book, but especially in Book 7. You know, she basically guides them through everything, which we've said multiple times.

Matt: She is definitely the biggest help.

Eric: Oh, she is.

Andrew: She really is.

Eric: With the Horcrux reading and everything. Like, I mean I'm kind of upset about it but I was wondering when I was reading this chapter too - the way she all packs their stuff for them just in case, and has all the spells.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: she's the one who has learned and studied up on Healing Charms.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: She's the one who's done all this preparation.

Jamie: It's another one of Jo's lessons that "no man is an island" and everyone has to work together and has their own qualities and that kind of thing.

Andrew: Yeha. Do you think this was Jo's original purpose of Hermione? When she was first writing her do you think...

Eric: To save their butts all the time?

Andrew: Well no - do you think she planned that Hermione was going to play such an integral role with every single little thing in the final book?

Eric: Well she's one of the trio.

Andrew: It doesn't matter that she's one of the trio, it's just that she helps with every single little thing, even coming down to the packing.

Eric: Is the alternative that Hermione is a good scapegoat like anytime you need something done, hit on Hermione to have done it already?

Matt: I think it just shows how Hermione is so hell bent on getting on this whole trip.

Eric: That's true.

Matt: Because in the back of her mind she is always ready.

Eric: She's so intelligent.

Matt: Like, it is such a big transition from the previous chapter when you read, you were just so anxious for it to get started, but it was just slow-moving. And in tis chapter they are pretty much thrown into it. I think Hermione was pretty much expecting that to happen - like they were going to get thrown into the search; like it wasn't going to go off on some nice start.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It was so relieving to see Hermione...

Laura: I think also...

Eric: ...in action as opposed to Ron and Harry. To see her come up with this huge, this great spell that gets them saved. And to have done all this preparation is really relieving. Reading Hermione in this book is really good. I really enjoyed reading what she had to do.

Laura: I think also a lot of the point behind Hermione's character is to make a statement about strong females. I mean, I don't want to say much about agendas here, but I just think based on a lot of the female characters in the books, they are very strong whether they're good or bad.

Jamie: Yeah, they are.

Laura: And I think Jo believes that sometimes it's not just men who do these things. You know, sometimes women have to save your butt too.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Kind of like...

Laura: Because we're awesome like that.

Micah: You with this show right?

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, without you Laura, honestly.

Laura: Awww.

Micah: And I'm being serious too.

Eric: No, I am too.

Laura: Oh okay. I thought you were being sarcastic at first. I was like, "Oh gosh. They're going to make fun of me now."

Andrew: She's the voice of reason on MuggleCast.

Micah: I've never been sarcastic, ever.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Well it definitely shows that Hermione takes care of all the stuff that Harry and Ron don't really think about. Like, they're thinking about the grand aspect. She wants Harry to keep his mind focused on killing Voldemort and she wants to take care of the other things that are important but are not exactly in the frame of mind, so to speak.

Eric: In the frame of mind of the hero who has to deal with all the you know, all the Voldemort things going through his head and stuff.

Matt: Right. She wants to keep him on that track.

Eric: And I agree. I really like what you said Laura, about Hermione being you know, the strong female role too. I think that's you're right. Because that's just it really, it comes through when, you know, in light of Hermione being with Ron and Harry, she's competing with two guys much like you're competing with us on MuggleCast. But then she handles it so well and it's really a good thing to show that in the books.

Laura: Yeah. Well, it's like, you think about and I don't want to get too far ahead here but, when they're in Malfoy Manor.

Eric: Too far. Too far.

Laura: Am I not allowed to say this one little thing?

Eric: Do it.

Laura: Or is it going to throw it off? Can I?

Micah: Yeah you are. Eric, stop doing that because she's a woman. That's not right.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: She's stronger than you. She could kick your ass.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Micah: She can. She can. I know.

Laura: Anyway, what I was saying was that when they're in Malfoy Manor, the second that Hermione gets taken away and they start torturing her, Ron completely loses his mind.

Jamie: He does. He just...

Laura: He can't do anything. He's completely useless.

Jamie: His mind warps.

Laura: And I think on I kind of relate that to you know, literature like Frankenstein. When you think about - a lot of the statement with that was that a world without, you know, women and a world without mother figures is not a very good world to live in. And...

Jamie: And also - yeah.

Laura: I think Jo you know, giving a representation of strong female characters is a lot of the reason that Hermione is there.

Matt: Mhm.

Jamie: Also, if you read a bit of like, The Da Vinci Code, and some of the stuff in there - although a lot of it is based on you know, questionable history, there is a lot about the Pagan worship of women and stuff like that.

Laura: Mhm.

Jamie: And how this is completely not linked, but I just thought of that so I thought I'd say it.

Eric: [laughs] No, I agree Jamie.

Laura: It's true.

Jamie: You know?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I see this might be bad but, do you think that in the beginning when Jo was planning all these books, Jo because this is how I see Hermione now: I see her as the Genie from Aladdin.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Like, whenever you have a problem, Hermione's...

Matt: You see her as Robin Williams?

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Well, yes.

Laura: I was thinking of the Christina Aguilera song. [laughs]

Jamie: It's like, "Hermione, are you coming to find the Horcruxes with me?" [singing] "You ain't never had a friend, never had a friend..."

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Well, exactly.

Jamie: [singing] "Never."

Andrew: Because Hermione it's just that Hermione is always there for him, for Ron and Harry and I just think that like...

Jamie: It is true.

Andrew: ...she's just there to grant wishes. She's just there to grant wishes.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: There's no other purpose for Hermione. Like, she's just there...

Laura: No, I don't think so.

Andrew: Instead of writing out ways for Harry and Ron to save the day they just always go to Hermione. It's like, a fault. I don't...

Laura: Yeah but it's not like...

Andrew: Do you see what I'm saying here?

Laura: Hermione is very intelligent and I give you that. But it's not like she just thinks up these solutions off the top of her head. She does a lot of hard work to achieve the knowledge that she has.

Andrew: Yeah, that's true.

Jamie: No, but...

Matt: She's extremely clever too.

Laura: Mhm.

Matt: Just like all the adults and all the other students like to say. They keep repeating it to Hermione how clever she is and she is. She's the most clever...

Eric: What did Harry and Ron do to deserve someone as brilliant as Hermione by their side? That's pretty cool.

Andrew: Yeah that's true.

Matt: They saved her from a...

Micah: ...troll.

Eric: [laughs] Yeah.

Jamie: It's extremely interesting to see the difference in how Andrew sorry, in how Hermione and Harry work. How one is very hard working and really, really thinks about the process whereas the other acts more on instinct.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Mhm.

Jamie: Both have advantages and disadvantages obviously.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: But it's just interesting to see how they do things differently.

Eric: You know what it reminded me off? It would be interesting to see how the next two movies take it.

Jamie: Yeah, it will.

Eric: Because of their casting of Emma Watson as the more girly type. I mean, obviously, Hermione is very feminine, but Emma Watson even more so with all the pink and, "Is that what my hair looks like from behind?" etc. It'll be really interesting to see Emma take it because, especially in book seven, there is such a place for Hermione to be very intelligent I don't think - It could seem out of place if they don't do enough of that. You know? I want to say that in the first movie when Hermione said, "Books and cleverness," and she blushed there at the giant chess set was like the last time they really, really, really utilized her character, I think. You know? Emma Watson. I mean, I'm not going to say it's the last time but you don't see it that often, do you, as much as you do in the books?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: No, definitely not.

Matt: No. Emma Watson is definitely going to learn how to cry in this movie.

Jamie: She needs too.

Matt: Because Hermione does it all the time. Especially for Ron. [Imitates in high voice] "Ron! Where is Ron? Harry, we're not going without Ron!"

Jamie: Awww.

Eric: Well, she better stick the birds on Ron in the next movie, in six. That'd be awesome.



Tottenham Court Road


Andrew: Well, hey, let's move along to the next point. We wanted to talk about Tottenham Court Road which is where they go to in this chapter. What is the significance exactly? Matt asked me earlier - we were reading the book - and Matt asked me, "Well what's on the Tottenham Court Road? I'm going to Google it." And I was like "Woohoo! Hold up there! You got Google right here, in your friend's head!"

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: Well, what's on the Tottenham Court Road is We Will Rock You.

Laura: Oh my god... [laughs]

Andrew: The musical. I mean, right, Jamie? I mean, that's how we associate it.

Jamie: Yeah. If I could ask here one question, I'd ask why, when they start off that, they didn't drop in to see if they had any cheap front-row tickets for the show.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Yeah. Where is the T.K.T.S. booth on T.K.T.S., you know? I mean, on Tottenham Court Road.

Jamie: They - I just don't know why they didn't. It was a complete - you know?

Andrew: I agree.

Jamie: It'd be safe in there as well.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Because it would be dark; the ushers would've made sure they're couldn't be hurt.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Jamie: And during the break, they could've bought ice cream and stuff.

Andrew: Ah, it's so good.

Matt: Why couldn't they hide in the subway? Apparently there's a subway on that street.

Andrew: There is a subway station there.

Jamie: There is.

Andrew: There is the - what's the hotel's name? I can't believe I'm forgetting it.

Jamie: Oh, come on, Andrew! No, I'm not going to tell you that. Come on!

Andrew: Uhhh. Saint... Saint Paul... Saint...

Jamie: Come on, Andrew! This is ridiculous!

Andrew: I can't... [laughs] Saint...

Jamie: We've stayed in that hotel like 25 times and Andrew's like, [imitating Andrew] "What's it called again?"

Andrew: I just remember it's crap. [laughs]

Jamie: It's not that bad.

Andrew: I really can't remember. Saint...

Jamie: It begins with a "G."

Andrew: Oh, Giles. [pronounces it "Guy-els"]

Jamie: Giles. [pronounces it correctly]

Eric: St. Giles? [pronounced it correctly]

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Uh, Giles, Giles, Giles. "Gills." Saint Giles. Yeah, okay. So, there is that hotel. There are also a lot of tech shops. That's how Jamie first described it to me.

Jamie: And do you remember how I got ripped off on two cables?

Andrew: Yeah. You paid, like, how much for two?

Jamie: Well, no, because - I paid 10 pounds per cable.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: 20 pounds for like, a one dollar cable. But, no...

Andrew: Yeah, you could've gotten that for so cheap in America and probably anywhere else. [laughs]

Matt: Yeah.

Jamie: No, no, no. He just screwed me over for that one time. He just - I didn't ask him the price so he just thought he'd make it for twenty. I bet it's like, the law if you don't ask. You hand him over a twenty and he can charge whatever he likes.

Andrew: Right. [laughs] I agree.

Jamie: Like, if he'd told me that, I wouldn't have paid that. He was an idiot. I hated him.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Geez. With all seriousness though, Tottenham Road is right next to The Leaky Cauldron?

Andrew: It's very close to it, yeah.

Matt: It's, it's - what's the name of the street? Jamie you would know.

Andrew: Cherry Cross Road?

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, that's it.

Matt: Thats it.

Jamie: Oh, Cherry Cross. Yeah.

Matt: Well, Ron says that in the book which is cool. It's kind of intelligent. I don't know how I knew that. Jamie; Yeah.



Why Not The Leaky Cauldron?


Andrew: So, Matt and I were talking about this earlier and wondering why they would end up on Tottenham Court Road. I suggested that maybe because it's so close to The Leaky Cauldron. They could at least consider going to The Leaky Cauldron, but they're not close enough to decide to actually go there.

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: Well no, the problem with The Leaky Cauldron is that they need to be in a Muggle - they need to be where they don't think that people will be looking for them.

Andrew: Well, that's...

Eric: The Leaky Cauldron's filled with wizards who are going to recognize them and betray them if they go there.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So, it doesn't really make sense...

Andrew: That's true too.

Eric: ...that they get so close to the Leaky Cauldron when they're supposed to be - in the middle of Muggle nowhere is sort of what they were aiming for.

Andrew: Mhm. I guess - yeah, you're right about that.

Matt: I was looking at a map of it too, and there's a subway that goes through that street to - apparently - not Diagon Alley. Well anyway, I thought that Hermione - that that would be like, Hermione's next stop, to think to go to what's it called? Tottenham Court Road, because that's where she went with her parents to go to Diagon Alley. Because in the first book, Harry and Hagrid went on the Underground subway the same way because Harry can't Apparate or do any of that stuff - when he was getting all his things.



Tottenham Court Road Filming?


Andrew: So I'm wondering if they're actually going to go to Tottenham Court Road for movie filming, because that would be fantastic.

Jamie: They would, but it's such a busy...

Andrew: And there happened to be a gigantic - I don't know if, Jamie, you remember this - I think I might have taken a picture of it - there was a gigantic Order of the Phoenix poster on...

Jamie: That would be so funny...

Andrew: ...Tottenham Court Road.

Jamie: If that was in the film...

Andrew: IT was right down the street.

Jamie: That would be so funny.

Andrew: I would just love if Freddie Mercury was in the background. [laughs]

Jamie: Yeah! Oh!

Andrew: I mean, the other problem is that that's a very high-trafficked road, right?

Jamie: I don't know if they could do it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: I seriously don't know if they could do it. I think they'd have to find a similar road in London and sort of half...

Eric: Well, Jamie...

Jamie: Re-create it, because...

Eric: They closed Tower Bridge for the filming of The Mummy Returns.

Jamie: Yeah, but it's rare that they do stuff like that. Like that I Am Legend and...

Eric: Well, it's also during a night scene too, so they could pretty much film it anywhere.

Jamie: Yeah, they could.

Andrew: Yeah, and get away with it.

Jamie: Exactly.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: They really could.

Andrew: But it would be nice if they tried to go there, because that is a very recognizable area, right Jamie?

Jamie: Oh yeah. Well it depends like, that tall building Centre Point is pretty recognizable, and We Will Rock You...

Andrew: Oh yeah, right.

Jamie: ...is as well.

Matt: Hmmm.

Jamie: I guess the main points of it are, but I don't know. I'd like to see it there but I think the expense would put them off when they could just film it anywhere.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Well not anywhere, but you know?

Laura: I mean, are they really going to come out in the film and be like, "This is Tottenham Court Road?"

Eric: And show the sign...

Andrew: Well...

Eric: Just to emphasize.

Andrew: Well - but they do talk about it because they're like - well, I don't know. It's just cool because...

Jamie: Guys, the way you say that is so funny. Tottenham.

Andrew: Tottenham.

Laura: Tottenham?

Eric: What is it? Tote-in-hom?

Jamie: Say it - say it - say it - Tot-in-um.

Eric: [pronounced like Jamie] Tottenham.

[Everyone begins saying it correctly]

Jamie: Tottenham.

Laura: Tottenham?

Eric: Oh! Tottenham.

Laura: Tottenham?

Eric: Tottenham.

Laura: I guess that makes sense.

Eric: T - O - T - N - U -M.

Jamie: Tottenham. Well it should be...

Andrew: There's also a Subway there - delicious. Subway food restaurant!

Jamie: That was a nice Subway!

Laura: That's better than how people would say it in Georgia. They would be like, [in Southern accent] "Tote-in-haaaaaaym."

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: That's how people would say it here!

Eric: I think that's this week's title of the show, isn't it?

[Laura laughs]



The Taboo on Voldemort's Name


Andrew: Maybe. Let's move on...

Micah: I just want to say...

Andrew: ...to our next point now.

Micah: Sorry.

Andrew: What?

Micah: But they can cut this all together - I mean they could just send them straight to Grimmauld Place.

Jamie: Yeah, I see that.

Eric: No, but the diner is so important!

Matt: But the whole...

Eric: Like, that's what's so weird about reading this, because you just got out of this really intense scene, and suddenly you're in a Muggle diner. You're in a place that we would easily wander into - this is like, so extraordinary in the books, not just for us.

Micah: It's insignificant though.

Eric: Well, insignificant...

Matt: It is kind of significant though, Micah, because it's kind of the introduction to the taboo word of "Voldemort."

Eric: Yes. Yes, well eventually.

Micah: In a way, but...

Eric: It's also them defending for themselves for the first time, sort of alone - they're in this - you know, they fend the Death Eaters and they Memory Charm everyone. You know, they clean up after themselves. It's really intelligent, at Hermione's suggestion of course.

Matt: They could cut it though, Micah, you're right. Pretty much...

Andrew: Yeah. True.

Matt: ...this story's so massive, anything could be cut.

Eric: But...

Jamie: And it's not that important. It's cool, but it's not important, really.

Andrew: Yeah, it's cool to us.

Micah: Well, Matt brought up the most important part.

Eric: Okay yeah, the taboo - that Voldemort being a taboo word.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Because suddenly they've followed them there into the diner.



The Diner and Memory Charms


Matt: We've already said what really happened at the diner anyway. They already went in a diner and that's it.

Micah: Okay, one thing I want to bring up from the diner, because I don't really get it. When Hermione's talking with Ron and Harry after they've knocked out both of these Death Eaters, they start talking about Memory Charms and Ron says he's never done one and Hermione says she has never done one either. But that's a lie; she put it on both her parents.

Laura: Oh, yeah!

Eric: Oh! And not even the simplest Memory Charm.

Matt: No, she never wiped out their mind permanently.

Jamie: She just changed it.

Matt: Obliviate is a permanent Memory Charm that erases it without any recovery.

Eric: Though it can be broken through stress and fear.

Laura: Oh that's right.

Matt: Obliviate I don't think can be re-done.

Jamie: Voldemort can do it though, because I...

Eric: Bertha Jorkins.

Jamie: No, well they didn't say that they used Obliviate, but they said it was a very strong one so it must've been Obliviate or higher probably.

Matt: Well, there's more than one Memory Charm, it's obvious.

Jamie: No, no, yeah there is, but I don't think it's a case of just breaking through it, like there is a spell to break through it that you have to be powerful enough to do. I think it's like, it reminds me of sort of like, being very cunning and you know, clever, and weeding answers out of people, taking down their defenses one by one, and breaking through it very - by like, a back door, very, very quietly, like a cat steeling through the grass, you know? It's very - you don't break it through brute force, you break it through intelligence.

Matt: And that's also a lie too what Micah said about Ron not knowing Obliviate, because didn't Lockhart say it in Book 2?

Andrew: Mmmm.

Eric: Well yeah, he performed one.

Laura: Yeah, he meant he hadn't performed it.

Eric: Because Lockhart performed a Memory Charm with Ron's wand.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: So, if you want to get really technical, Ron's wand, or his old one has performed a Memory Charm.

Matt: But he doesn't have that wand.

Laura: No, he doesn't.

Eric: Ron doesn't. I don't think so. Did he? Yeah, it snapped and he got the new one in Book 3.

Micah: I guess so, but she performed some form of Memory Charm, so...

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, that's probably one of those screw-ups that we have on our website, like an actual mistake.

Matt: But she's also in shock, too, from what just happened.

Andrew: That's true too, yeah. I do want to mention that I was going through the voicemails earlier today and a caller - I can't remember her name - but a caller did actually bring that up, so, good job caller.

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