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Micah: Because we have lots of unanswered questions, this is MuggleCast Episode 128 for January 19th, 2008.

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Andrew: Have you guys seen our brand new Wizard Rock section on MuggleNet?

Laura: I have.

Eric: I'm going right now, Andrew.

Laura: I must say, it's very impressive.

Andrew: is the Universal Resource Locator. It's our brand new section with a over 160 rock bands!

Laura: Yay!

Matt: Really?

Eric: And...

Andrew: Yeah. You guys like it?

Matt: Geez, that's a lot.

Laura: Yeah, it...

Andrew: I made it all by myself.

Laura: It's really, really cool, but...

Andrew: Thanks.

Laura: From what I can tell there is something missing, isn't there?

Matt: There is one group that is not listed on that site.

Andrew: There is one band missing and it's my Wizard Rock band, but...

Laura: Oh, well that's probably for the best...

Andrew: I've decided that it's...

[Andrew, Matt, and Micah laugh]

Andrew: I decided that the Wizard Rock section on MuggleNet was actually going to have the worst rock bands, or Wizard Rock bands, and mine's good for it, so...

Laura: Oh, okay.

Andrew: I don't want to blow everyone away. I don't want to steal the limelight from great bands such as The Remus Lupins, The Moaning Myrtles, Harry and the Potters...

Laura: Well, you know I was just thinking about that one time at Prophecy when you were supposed to perform and you never did. And we had...

Andrew: I did. Yes, I did.

Laura: We had to peer pressure you into doing a chorus at the live Leaky Mug.

Andrew: Because I think it's hard to do a rap acapello.

Laura: Yeah, whatever.

Andrew: There was a lot of pressure. There was a big audience. Anyway, we have a good show for you today including Chapter-by-Chapter, and we're going to bring Favorites back, and we also have a couple little announcements. I'm Andrew Sims.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: And I'm Matt Britton.

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Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week's top Harry Potter news stories. Hey, Micah.

Micah: All right, thanks, Andrew. Four months in development, on Wednesday nightMuggleNet released its latest project: MuggleNet's Wizard Rock section. With over 160 bands in our database fans can read interviews, listen to samples, write reviews, and more. It's the perfect place for fans to discover the fandom phenomenon that is the music genre of Wizard Rock.

It was announced on Thursday that J.K. Rowling will deliver the keynote address at this year's Harvard University commencement ceremony on June 5th. University President Drew G. Faust was quoted as saying:

"Perhaps no one in our time has done more than J. K. Rowling to inspire young people to experience the excitement and the sheer joy of reading. Her tales of Harry, Ron, and Hermione and their Hogwarts adventures have cast a spell on millions of readers around the world. Harvard isn't exactly Hogwarts, but I'm sure that her visit with us this June will be a moment of magic for J.K. Rowling's many admirers across the University."

Finally, Timothy Spall, who played Peter Pettigrew in Prisoner of Azkaban and Goblet of Fire, has said he will reprise that role for the final two films. Spall was quoted by saying:

"I'm in the next one. And I'm also in the one at the end. I have a very big scene in that. I think they might be shooting two of them back-to-back. Hard to know though, what with this writer's strike and all. They're shooting the penultimate one at the moment; which I have a brief appearance in it. I should be doing that soon."

That's all the news for this January 19th, 2008 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: All right, thank you Micah.

Micah: You're welcome.

News Discussion: Deathly Hallows Split?

Andrew: You know, I've described the news, in the past, like a roller coaster. And I'm sticking with it. Because this week we only really have - actually, we have two things to discuss. One news story just came out today. Very briefly, though. One big story we want to talk about that's been getting a lot of press, at least on the fan sites and even some British tabloids. Apparently there are rumors circulating around now saying that the final Harry Potter book is going to be split into two films.

Eric: Yes.

Matt: Yes.

Andrew: And this was originally reported by the Daily Mail. And it says here in the article:

"For film-makers Warner Bros, whose first five 'Potter' films have made 2.5 billion in box office could mean a 500 million bonus in ticket sales."

Because people are essentially paying for the same movie twice.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: They'll easily double their profits for the final film. Do you guys think this could come true?

Eric: Well gee, why didn't they think about doubling their ticket revenue when they decided not to make any of the other movies into two parts?

Laura: Yeah. I mean, we've heard this same rumor a lot before. Didn't it come around...

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: ...with Goblet of Fire, too?

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It's true.

Andrew: It did.

Eric: It's true. And nothing came of that. Book 7's not even the longest book. It's shorter than - well, depending on what version you read, it's actually the third longest, I think it was.

Laura: I think the difference with the seventh book is that there's a lot more information in it that has to be covered. And...

Eric: Like what?

Laura: I think the difference with the seventh book is that there's a lot of information that they're going to be relying on that they haven't used in previous movies. So on top of the information that we got in Deathly Hallows, they're going to have to include a whole bunch of backstory that they never gave us in the other films to make it make sense.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: Yep.

Laura: So that would be the only reason I would see for them doing that. But honestly, I think we're just going to have a regular length movie like we always have.

Matt: It would be nice to have a two-part.

Laura: It would. I would love it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But why? Why would they have not have done it for - I mean, there were so many other book I would rather be two-part movies than Book 7

Andrew: See, I'd rather it be the final film, because...

Laura: Yeah, it makes more sense. [laughs]

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Why does it make more sense? They should have made the...

Laura: Because it's like the grand finale, you know. It's the end.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Well...

Matt: And there's not much you can cut out in this book.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Without it being really just crumbling.

Eric: Except the months and months they're in the forest doing nothing.

[Matt and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Well, according to this article, it says:

A film source said: "There's so much to fit that the view is the last movie should be in two halves. There is a huge battle when Harry, played by Daniel Radcliffe, takes on Voldemort that needs to be done really well."

Eric: And this quote intrigued me, as well. Because I was thinking, well, yeah. I mean, the Battle of Hogwarts. God, they can make that so good, you know?

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: They can make that - but, I mean they've got a battle at Hogwarts to do in Movie 6, as well.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: That they should probably turn into some kind of fruitfulness. But, I was thinking about that quote because I had read it too. And I was thinking, well then again, and I'm sure I've said this before. But when I first read the fifth Harry Potter book, which was after it came out June 20, 2003. When I first read it I was thinking at the end scene, you know the whole Department of Mysteries, etc. I said, "Wow, they could really make this alone an hour or two hour movie." I mean, if you read that scene in the book, it's just - the whole time, once they get to the Department of Mysteries, all the rooms they explore, up until the end of the book. You know, they could turn that into a really long period of time in the movie. And as we know now, they made it pretty short in the movie. They actually did, successfully or unsuccessfully, they made it into a short clip, a sort part of the movie and fit it into one film. So, no matter how long you think - no matter how long its appeared to be written in the books, they can always condense it and kind of get away with it.

Andrew: Yeah. [grumbles]

Eric: I just don't think that - I think it's not that cool that they should make the seventh book into a two-part movie if they didn't make any of the other first six.

Andrew: The other thing to note here is that a script hasn't even been written.

Eric: It's true.

Andrew: Because Steve Kloves, he's part of the Writer's Guild, so he can't start writing anything, which isn't too much of a worry now because, you know, Half-Blood Prince still doesn't come out until November. I would think he would, hopefully, if the strike ends soon. He would normally be writing the script, what, maybe starting in a few months from now. What's the time frame for that, Matt?

Eric: Because pre-production happens quite soon.

Matt: Yeah, no, no, it does. Most of the entire production is pre-production. In-production of films actually are the shortest out of all the stages. They last for probably a month at the most. That's it.

Andrew: Okay.

Matt: Like, they film the movie in almost a month or two month's time.

Andrew: Oh, no, no, no, it takes a lot longer with Harry Potter

Laura: I thought with Harry Potter it took a lot longer.

Matt: Well, no, I'm talking about filming. It takes hours and hours of pre-production before they film, I'm saying.

Eric: Okay, and the actual filming...

Matt: But I mean, on the actual filming.

Eric: Interesting. So when do you think, like, would you think that they would already have a script for Movie 7? I mean, the trio is only going to get older the longer they wait to...

Matt: No, I don't think they have anything written for Movie 7.

Eric: Well, they don't, but would they? Should they, if it weren't for the writer's strike?

Andrew: No. I still think it's too early.

Matt: For Movie 7, I don't think so.

Eric: Okay.

Matt: Because they still have Movie 6.

Andrew: Yeah. I don't think - how do I phrase this? I do think it is early enough for them to be considering putting the movie into two parts, because that is a big decision that I'm sure isn't just made by the writer or producer. I mean, that goes way up to the top of Warner Brothers because it's an essentially an eighth Harry Potter film.

Laura: Yeah. Eric; Yeah.

Andrew: So, I think that's an important discussion that if they are discussing, and I think it's worth discussing, then yeah, it will take a lot of time to decide that. And I would imagine - don't you think they would have to decide whether it's going to be one or two parts before he starts writing, anyway? Because he has to plan how long the script is going to be.

Micah: Yeah, absolutely.

Eric: Well, usually they come up with drafts.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: They do several drafts of the film, and if they think it won't all fit into a movie condensed version, then they would say - they would explore the possibility of two - I think, anyway. Do you guys think that if they split it into two movies they'd be called anything different?

Micah: No.

Eric: I mean, would they be Deathly Hallows, Part One and Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part Two?

Laura: No. Yeah, it would just be part one and part two.

Micah: I think part of the problem, though, is that you have to take into consideration when these two would be released. Would they be released close to each other, or would they be separated out by a couple months? A year? Because that can cause some problems, I think.

Eric: It can.

Micah: Especially because of the flow of the movie, in the sense that, Eric, you brought up before how you really don't think why this movie is special enough to warrant being split into two when there are other books that have come before it that could definitely have been split up as well. I know that might be prejudiced on the fact that you didn't really like Deathly Hallows maybe as much as some of the books that came before, but I still think there's a lot of consideration that has to go into this, and coming from the Daily Mail, I know it's not a very reliable source. And even the comment that they had about being able to double their revenues. I don't really think Warner Brothers is very concerned with its revenues from the Harry Potter series that they're going to need to really consider making up for anything by doubling the revenues. I really just think that that's an idiotic statement.

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: Well said.

Eric: Have they - I mean, have they successfully done movies in continuum? I mean, I know Lord of the Rings was actually, you know, it was all filmed at once, it was, and then they broke it up and did different production sort of years and years and years. I was thinking of The Matrix trilogy though, with what you said that they would possibly separate them by a few months. I think it was in 2002, in February and November were the second and third Matrix released, the films were released then. And that was kind of...

Micah: I just think you run a risk because where do you leave off in Deathly Hallows, you know? People are going to want more right away.

Andrew: It would have to be a huge cliffhanger.

Micah: Exactly.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: You have to find the cliffhanger factor, because if non-Potter fans go and see the movie and they don't like where it ends, they're not going to see the second part. Unless a trailer or some other promotional device intrigues them, but I mean...

Eric: Cliffhanger part.

Andrew: ...I'm just thinking what kind of publicity nightmare it would be for Warner Brothers. You're releasing a two part book, everyone knows it's one part but they're splitting it into two. I just see that as like, are there two premieres? Are there multiple trailers?

Laura: Yeah, it's so much extra work, basically.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah, and has it ever even been done before? This would be the first time or something it would happen.

Hallows Intermission?

Laura: Well actually movies used to be made quite successfully, especially movies made out of books, they were about four hours long. I'm thinking specifically of Gone With the Wind. But the way they were constructed was they actually had an intermission.

Matt: Right.

Laura: They would show both parts and you would leave the theater for 15-20 minutes, come back and see the second part. So when I think of a film like this, that's the only way I can think of it being truly successful is just running it all at once.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: But I don't really see why they'd do that anymore. It's really not that common.

Eric: Here's an interesting story.

Matt: Well, they don't do that very much anymore because there's so many movies in production.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, which is true, but you know what else is interesting? They turned - when I went and saw Chamber of Secrets in the theaters, they gave it an intermission, because of the young children in the audience, the movie theater that I ended up working for after that put a little 10, 15 minute sort of intermission in between the movie, in the middle of the movie. They put a stop break for all the kids to go to the bathroom or whatever and not miss the movie. So, they actually took Chamber of Secrets, which is only two-and-a-half hours long and they put an intermission in between. So they did that for the Harry Potter film when it was only one film, which was interesting.

Micah: Well, I also think they might have to bite the bullet and realize, "Hey, we need to make this movie longer than the six that have come before it."

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: And not go to a two-hour-fifteen-minute...

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: ...two-hour-and-a-half movie, we're looking at something that needs to be over three hours long.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: If you got to give it that treatment, just yeah, make it one movie, but make it a longer movie.

Laura: Yeah I don't see why not.

Andrew: Maybe we're all blowing this out of proportion, maybe they will do it like Gone With the Wind style, and just give us an intermission. I mean, it doesn't happen anymore but why not?

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Becaue how long have we been trying to convince them or trying to say that a four-hour movie, we couldn't mind the four-hour movie.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, I can't think of anyone who would care to be honest.

Matt: Right.

Andrew: Yeah, and plus movie theaters would eat that up. If there was an intermission, that's extra food sales for them.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean, everyone is going to run out a buy new soda and stuff.

Matt: Yeah, definitely.

Eric: It's true. And food is what people depend on. What movie theaters depend on. The concession sales.

Andrew: Yeah. Yup, yup.

Matt: I don't think movies or movie theaters will really object to it because you know, they know that they're going to make money off of Harry Potter films.

Eric: Yeah, it's just less show times then...

Andrew: Yeah that's one thing, but....

Eric: But, it's interesting news.

Andrew: Yeah, so we'll wait to hear more confirmation. I mean, WB hasn't said much. The one thing that - WB did go to Empire Online and told them that nothing is official yet. That's not a "no," that's what gets me. I mean.

Eric: It's not a "no," that's a - yeah.

Andrew: I mean, normally, though, they would say "no" to stupid rumors.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: But saying nothing is official, nothing, you know, I think they actually told Empire Online or Empire Online just brought up the point that Steve Clovis can't write right now and he hasn't started.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: But like I said earlier, they might need to decide whether to make it one or two movies before they starts writing, at least for the very final draft.

Eric: That's news to us though. Writer's strike affects Harry Potter fans, here's how.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I'm really tired of the writer's strike. I don't know about you guys.

Andrew: Well, the late night shows are back, so that's all I care about.

Matt: Of course.

Laura: What about The Office?

Andrew: That's a shame, but I was watching a re-run the other day, and it was nice.

[Eric and Matt laugh]

Who Will Direct Hallows?

Micah: What about the director talk? This seems like a lot of the same that we hear when every movie is considered.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: Who's going to be directing it?

Eric: Spielberg said he was?

Andrew: No, it said in this article that Spielberg is one person being considered.

Eric: But I'm saying for the original film didn't he - wasn't there an interview we posted on MuggleNet recently that said Spielberg was in fact considered for the first film.

Andrew: I think we've known that for a while.

Laura: Yeah, he was.

Matt: Yeah, he was.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But he was given his opinion on it or whatever. That was cool.

Andrew: He wanted to put American actors in it. I believe that was the problem.

Laura: Yeah, that's right.

Eric: Well, it was an idea of his. It was an idea.

Andrew: We'll move onto some other news, but I'm sure we'll be talking about it more unless it gets completely thrown out by Warner Brothers.

Eric: Which it should.

News Discussion: Rowling to Make Keynote at Harvard

Andrew: Yeah, story that came out on Thursday. J.K. Rowling is going to speak at the Harvard commencement ceremony. She's going to be delivering the main keynote address. How cool is that?

Laura: That's really cool. Can you imagine havening J.K. Rowling speak at... Oh my gosh.

Eric: Your graduation?

Andrew: How amazing would that be?

Laura: That would be amazing. Jo.

Eric: Why is she doing it?

Laura: I don't know.

Andrew: I don't know - Yeah.

Matt: They're giving her something aren't they?

Andrew: Yeah, they're giving her one of those doctor degrees, I think, that they give all the famous people just for being famous.

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: [laughs] J.K. Rowling should speak at my graduation, you know.

Andrew: Oh yeah, it says... It says, "the University will also grant Rowling an honorary degree at the June 5th ceremony."

Micah: Am I the only one here who's had a commencement address?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yes, you have.

Laura: None of us have graduated yet.

Matt: Yeah, I'm sorry.

Eric: So far. We're all in college, so that's good.

Laura: I think Jo should come to McDaniel College. We would happily welcome her there.

Matt: I would just love to see Laura. I would just love to see you.

Laura: [laughs] I would probably just burst into tears. I'd be so happy.

Andrew: You'd be crying.

Eric: I'll speak at your commencement, Laura. I'll speak at your commencement.

Laura: Okay, Eric. You do that.

Andrew: [laughs] You know, what's really special about this is think about how many times J.K. Rowling acts as a public speaker. I mean, besides her book readings, how many other times has she stood at a podium and made a speech?

Eric: Well, she's spreading out, man. She's totally spreading out. Now that she's done writing...

Matt: She's got more free time.

Eric: ...she's got much more free time.

Andrew: Well, obviously. No, but what I'm saying is that this isn't her kind of thing.

Matt: No, well she also mentioned that in the documentary as well.

Andrew: Exactly, that's where I was going.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: She doesn't even like doing this much, and now she's doing it, so it'll be really interesting to see what she says. I'm sure she'll touch on her past life as living in a flat and being broke and all that. In other news, J.K. Rowling will be on MuggleCast next week.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: So be sure you tune in for that. Not!

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, so that's cool.

Eric: You're kidding right?

Andrew: Yeah, I'm kidding. No, I'm not. Yes, I am.

Eric: We're pathetic.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: We're pathetic, Andrew. We're pathetic.


Andrew: All right, so moving onto announcements now. It is a new month, and we're reminding you kind of late, but we are in the top ten and we thank everyone, but vote for us on Podcast Alley so we can get as high up as possible. Because we like being high up on that list.

Micah: Yeah, not number nine.

Andrew: Also, thanks to everyone who...

Eric: We like being high...on the list.

Andrew: On the list, yeah. Thanks to everyone who sent us links to the online copies of the J.K. Rowling documentary. A lot of people sent these in. Someone did send me in a really good bit torrent though, and it downloaded nice and fast, and now I have it on my computer. So if any of you guys want it, I'll forward it to you. So you can watch the documentary over and over again, but thanks everyone who emailed that in, a lot of you did.

Spring Break East Coast Road Tour

Andrew: Also, everyone here except Matt...

Matt: What?

Andrew: In other words...

Laura: Awww.

Andrew: In other words Eric, Laura, Micah and I are sort of kicking around the idea of doing a mini-spring break East Coast tour...

Eric: Of MuggleCast.

Andrew: ..come mid-March. Now, we need to remind everyone that this is only - this is very early on in the planning stages and is only a possibility. We want to know how many people would actually show up. So visit and we have five tour stops there. If you live on the New England, then visit - or even towards down in Virginia which isn't really New England or Baltimore for that matter.

Eric: North of the line people.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: North of the line.

Andrew: Visit and vote for the location that you could attend, or vote and say that you can't attend. Take the poll seriously. Don't just vote for Philly because you used to live there and it's your home town and you are representing the area. No, vote honestly. So we will look into this more.

Eric: We need to liven this up.

Andrew: If we do it, it will be between March 15th and March 20th, and it would be a lot of fun and it would be a nice tour. Laura and I were just talking the other day about how bad we want to go to Boston.

Laura: Yes. So all you Bostonians go out and vote please.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: Because I really want to go to Boston.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: We'd like to do four or five stops and we'd be driving and it will be interesting to plan, because of where we are all living and how we are all going to get there, but it we wil figure it out. It will be good.

Then we are doing a podcast in Dallas, Texas because of Portus 2008, as we told everyone HP2008 dot org, so visit that site to sign up, register and come to Portus and we'll be there for Potter Podcast Polooza Pickles. Ad

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Muggle Mail: Why Did Moody's Curse Not Lift?

Andrew: Okay. Let's move on to Muggle Mail now.

Eric: [sings] Muggle Mail!

Andrew: Who wants take the first e-mail. Who wants to read it?

Eric: Can I? Can I? Can I?

Andrew: Mhm.

[Laura laughs]

Muggle Mail: Why Did Moody's Curse Not Lift?

Eric: First one is from Nathan Gard, 14, Virginia Beach, Virginia. Subject is "Chapter 9." He says:

"Okay, this was just something I noticed while listening to Chapter-by-Chapter last week and wanted to see what you guys thought about it. If spells are supposed to lift if their caster dies, like when Dumbledore's spell lifted off of Harry in Half-Blood Prince when Snape killed him, then why does Moody's tongue-tying curse remain on Grimmauld Place after Moody dies? Just wondering what you thought. Thanks, love the show, bye!"

What do you guys think?

Laura: Ooo.

Andrew: I don't know. I am still confused by this whole tongue situation.

Laura: Yeah. That whole concept throws me off.

Matt: Is it technically Mad Eye Moody's? When they say Mad-Eye Moody's tongue-tying curse, do they mean it's the one that he made or the one that he did? Did he invent that curse?

Laura: No. He didn't invent it.

Eric: But he put the booby trap on Grimmauld Place to attack if anybody should come in, should it be Snape or whatever. They are wondering why it is still there once Moody died, because when you put a spell on something, it's removed. And I really don't have that good of an answer.

Laura: Yeah, I don't either.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Myself, because of the way that the Fidelius Charm was broken on Grimmauld Place itself. I was going to initially argue that something would be different if you put a spell on a place, such as all of Dumbledore's defenses on Hogwarts, etc., would still remain up because they're sort of on Hogwarts as opposed to being on Harry. Like, he was holding Harry still and when he died, that spell went off, but that is flawed.

Micah: Right.

Eric: Because of...

Micah: Because the same thing happens.

Eric: ...the way the Fidelius Charm...

Micah: ...with the tongue-tying curse.

Eric: Right.

Micah: It's essentially a spell that has been cast on a place, so...

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Right. And it's still there.

Micah: Yeah, I mean, it's a good question. I don't know if we have an answer for it except maybe it is a little bit of a mistake.

Eric: Oooh.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Because it would make perfect sense that the spell would not have any after-effect.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, it's true.

Eric: Yeah. So either it does, or it doesn't, sort of - either spells put on places do or don't get removed when they die. And it's - there's some contradictions in the books.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Even the same book. Even the same book because of the way - the Grimmauld Place things - and I think we have a question later on in the show about that as well, the Fidelius Charm and how it actually works.

Muggle Mail: The True Killer of Dumbledore

Andrew: Yeah. Well, let's move on. Next e-mail comes from Val, 17, of West Covina, California. She writes:

"As soon as you guys mentioned the possibilities, a thought popped into my head. The curse was to be used against the person that killed Dumbledore, right? Maybe it only took into account the true killer of Dumbledore. Snape killed Dumbledore, but not directly. What I mean by this is that he didn't kill him for his own purposes, he was helping out Dumbledore, so the true killer of Dumbledore is the curse from the Horcrux that would have killed him if it wasn't for Snape."

So, she's saying - she's saying that's how Snape got by, I guess.

Eric: So, what is the curse supposed to do? Tie it to the Horcrux?

Micah: I just think Snape is smart enough to get by. I don't think it has anything to do with...

Laura: Yeah, I think that's - I think Micah's right.

Micah: ...some other explanation, I mean, give the guy some credit. I mean, he's a pretty...

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: wizard.

Eric: He's smart enough to say, "I didn't kill you." or "Why'd you make me kill you?" He's smart enough to say the word "kill," which disables the whole thing.

Andrew: Yeah.

Muggle Mail: Snape and Homenum Revelio

Eric: This one comes from Javed Mohammed, age 21 of Trinidad and Tobago. Oooh, nice place.

"Greetings from Trinidad again, I have a few comments about the chapter by chapter segment. You all said that Snape broke into Grimmauld Place yet remained unscathed, this may be probably so since he is an accomplished Occlumens and would be able to lie about who killed Moody and block his thoughts if the spell detected untruths. Also about Hermione's Homenum Revelio curse. Hominoids and Hominids are direct ancestors of the primate family into which Humans (Homo Sapiens) also falls into. This may explain the use of the word Homenum in the curse. Still loving the show and all the best for the new year, Javed Mohammed."

Oh, and it's pronounced JAAH-ved. So, Javed Mohammed. Awesome, Javed, thanks for that. That's what we said, we just came to that conclusion, then, about Snape being that good a wizard, but then he reveals something very cool about "Homenum," which we talked about last week.

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: Cool.

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