MuggleCast 129 Transcript
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Micah: Because a Pensieve can be used for just about anything, this is MuggleCast Episode 129 for January 26th, 2008.
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Andrew: Hey, everyone. Welcome to SpiderwickCast. The podcast where we bring you the latest information in Spiderwick news, theories, discussion, and much more. We have a great show today, including an interview with Freddie Highmore.
Laura: Oh, that's exciting.
Matt: Let's talk about everything, but Harry Potter.
Andrew: Yeah, I thought that would be a good idea, since most of our listeners believe now that we are turning into a Spiderwick program. Does anyone know anything about the upcoming film Spiderwick?
[Laura and Micah laugh]
Andrew: Does anyone know about anything relating to Harry Potter?
Laura: Oh, of course not.
Micah: Maybe a few things possibly...
Laura: Why would we anything about it?
Andrew: Exactly! I don't understand why people believe that we are doing a very fine interview with Freddie Highmore, some people seem to think that we are turning into a Spiderwick podcast. But actually, no. We are sticking to Harry Potter. So, this week we have an interview with Freddie Highmore, who is starring in an upcoming film, The Spiderwick Chronicles, but that's not all. We also have plenty of Harry Potter discussion coming up as well. So, are we going to stick with Harry Potter or Spiderwick? I'm confused at this point.
Matt: I don't know.
Andrew: The listeners are confusing.
Laura: Yeah, me, too. Maybe we should make a Facebook group.
Laura: Let them vote.
Andrew: I'm Andrew Sims.
Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.
Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
Matt: [hesitates] And I'm Matt Britton.
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Andrew: What's the problem, Matt?
Matt: Okay, okay. Have we decided that I go last now?
Andrew: Yes. No offense, but it always goes in order of seniority. Who started on the show first. Like, it's generally the order that is always followed.
Matt: I'm second to the oldest.
Laura: And I always forget...
Matt: I'm second oldest.
Laura: ...when we don't have many people on the show, like when we have four, I usually end up being second and I am used to being like third, or fourth. So, I'll sit there and wait. [laughs] I'm like, 'Oh! It's my turn.'
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Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast News Center with the latest Spider- I mean, MuggleCast News Stories.
Micah: All right, thanks, Andrew. The Food Network's Ace of Cakes did a special Thursday night on the Hogwarts Castle Cake from the Los Angeles Order of the Phoenix after party. DanRadcliffe.com now has the video online and you can watch it over at their site.
In a small interview with Entertainment Weekly, Alan Rickman, who plays Severus Snape in the Potter films reveals he'll begin filming his parts for Half-Blood Prince in early February. When asked about his role, Rickman said, "Before you go any further, I never, ever talk about that character [referring to Professor Snape]. Number one, because it's not fair on kids who haven't read to the end. And for me to say anything, there's a bit of it that just should be left innocent. It's real storytelling, what she's done, and I'm a part of that. So I just never talk about it." He goes on to acknowledge that he does play a bigger role in this film and that it's important stuff.
Speaking of filming, residents of the English town of Gloucester welcomed back, with open arms, crews intent on filming scenes for the upcoming sixth Harry Potter movie. Scenes from Half-Blood Prince shot at Gloucester Cathedral will include those set in different locations around Hogwarts, and quite a few of the college's students have been cast as extras for the film. Interestingly, Gloucester has not been used as a filming location since the first two films were produced.
Gloucester City Council leader Paul James said, filming the blockbuster would pump cash into the local economy and put Gloucester on the map. He was quoted as saying:
"It brings excitement to the city. It also benefits the local economy on two levels. You've got the direct spend of people who come here filming and doing associated things and then when it's aired that Gloucester is being used and people see parts of the city on their screens it puts us on the map."
Finally, it was reported earlier this week that J.K. Rowling has halted printing of the Finnish Deathly Hallows translation due to environmental concerns. Jo insists "that it import paper certified by the Forest Stewardship Council as being derived from wood grown and harvested in a way that promotes sustainable forest development." The Finnish translation is still due out on March 7th.
That's all the news for this January 26th, 2008 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.
Muggle Mail: Set Visit and Cut Scenes
Andrew: You know, it's another slow news week. There wasn't much going on in the Harry Potter world, unfortunately. But, Micah, you did want to talk about one e-mail that we got in? I guess instead of the news?
Micah: Yeah, and I guess it's more directed at you than anybody else. But it came from Jimmy, 15, in Toronto. And he says:
"As today many Harry Potter fans such as myself have learned that MuggleNet and other 'Harry Potter' sites will be visiting the set over the next week. What are you guys looking forward to in the movie? What set will you guys be most anxious to see? Also what do you think will be cut in this movie? Sorry if you have answered these questions in a previous podcast but I have just started listening since the 100 podcast, right after Deathly Hallows was released. Thanks for reading! Jimmy."
Andrew: I think it's a question for all of us because we're all going to see the sets in the film. It's not like they're any different in person.
Laura: Except they're in person.
Matt: Well, I think what he's meaning is, what are you looking forward to seeing on the trip?
Andrew: I don't know. I think the coolest set - I don't even know if it's built right now. I guess it is? I sort of remember an article about, I think Dan Radcliffe said it was shot, is the cave scene.
Andrew: I think that was shot already.
Matt: Well, didn't Timothy Spall say they're filming the next-to-the-last scene right now?
Matt: What's that word? Yeah. I'm so bad with grammar. What's that word that he said?
Micah: The penultimate?
Matt: Pen - yeah. Penultimate scene.
Andrew: So which one would that be? The cave?
Laura: Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Andrew: I mean, it depends on what's in the script, though. So, you know, it could be a few things. I know for a fact that's not what they're filming next week. But, I don't know, I guess - What scenes are you guys looking forward to?
Laura: I'm definitely looking forward to the cave most of all, I think. Because that was just so awesome; the way that was written. And I have a really...
Laura: Generally, when I read I don't have a very detailed picture in my mind of how things are. I just kind of have a general idea of what they, what I think they are. But with the cave I just had this very detailed picture in my mind of what it is. So I'm really excited to see what they'll do with it. And kind of see how it matches up to what I thought it was.
Matt: It's kind of hard not to - for them to get a different vision than what most of the readers did. Because you can't really go a different direction other than what's in the book.
Matt: I mean, it's a cave and a basin in the middle of the lake.
Laura: Yeah, I know.
Andrew: I have very high expectations for Michael Gambon, though. I mean, especially once he starts drinking the potion. Because that, that is just - I really am having a hard time picturing him portraying Dumbledore drinking that and just suffering and, you know.
Matt: I think he'll do it.
Matt: I think he'll be good at it.
Matt: He's a really good actor.
Laura: He really is. I think that he really, I don't know. I think he takes a lot of unnecessary crap off of people. Who, just because he doesn't play the Dumbledore they like they automatically say he's a bad actor.
Laura: And I just don't think that's true.
Micah: I can speak as somebody who doesn't really like Gambon in the role. But, I will also say, a lot of that has to do with the fact that it was initiated by another person. And a lot of times when you have that, it's very hard to take the character of Dumbledore as anybody else playing him but Richard Harris. I think Harris established such a role early on, that's it's hard for a lot of people to move away from that.
Andrew: Mhm. See, I can't see Richard Harris doing the cave scenes though. Like again, drinking the potion. Like, you know, even in Chamber of Secrets you can tell he was getting...
Matt: He was getting on.
Andrew: I mean, we all know he was old. But he was getting...
Andrew: ...weak. He was very soft. He...
Laura: He was very ill at that point. When they were shooting.
Matt: Yeah, he was.
Andrew: And say he didn't, you know, regrettably die [laughs] back in, what was that, 2002? I mean, can you imagine six years later?
Andrew: Like, you know?
Laura: Also, I think...
Laura: ...he played a much softer Dumbledore, too. He was a lot calmer, I think.
Micah: He was calm, but he was powerful.
Matt: Do you honestly think that we would have the release being this late in the years, if he didn't die? Like, if Richard Harris didn't pass away, do you think they would have skipped an extra year between Movie 2 and 3?
Andrew: Why would they do that?
Matt: I don't know. His death probably delayed the production a little bit.
Andrew: Oh, maybe. I thought you were suggesting that they wanted to rush the films out quicker.
Laura: I remember when it happened it seemed like they were expecting it, because they knew he was really sick, but I did read an interview with Chris Columbus, I believe, where he said that they wanted to take breaks between every two movies to kind of give everyone some time off. It seems like that's been a general pattern, too.
Andrew: That's right actually, yeah.
Laura: They take somewhat of a long break between every two movies.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, if you think about it, because Goblet of Fire came out in 2002.
Matt: Goblet of Fire came out in 2005.
Andrew: Yeah, you're right. Well, that's interesting.
Matt: Well, you can answer the other question he asked. What do you think will be cut in the movie?
Andrew: Well, what does everyone think will be cut? I mean, I don't know.
Micah: Well, I'm kind of starting to worry a little bit about the Riddles as we get closer and closer to...
Micah: ...I guess the movie being released, because we haven't heard a whole lot about that, and I think it's something that creatively they probably could cut if they wanted to, but I think it's really integral to the story, because it's part of the whole flashback scenes between Harry and Dumbledore.
Matt: Well, there's a lot of casting that - I mean, there's a lot of characters that haven't been cast is really getting kind of scary. Like that haven't re-casted, or they haven't brought back, Clemence Posey, and they haven't casted Ron's older brothers at all.
Micah: No, and I don't think they will.
Andrew: Hmmm, yeah.
Matt: So are they even going to do the whole Fleur and - the whole wedding? In Movie 7?
Laura: Yeah, that's worrisome.
Matt: If they're not even casting Fleur at all?
Andrew: Wow, I never thought of that.
Micah: Well, do we know that even the Weasley twins have been confirmed for this movie? Because I thought I read something where...
Matt: Yeah. Yeah they have.
Micah: ...they were not going to be in it, but if they have then okay.
Matt: I think it's - wasn't there an article that said they were confirmed for doing a scene, a Weasley Christmas scene and a scene in Hogsmeade with the Weasley shop?
Andrew: Oh, really?
Micah: I hope so.
Micah: The other scene - sorry.
Andrew: Well, I just wanted to say, they've been in every movie thus far, so, I mean, it'd be silly to cut them out at this point.
Micah: Right. Well, the other scene that I would be afraid that could be cut, realistically, would be the opening scene with the other minister, because we haven't heard any casting for Scrimgeour either.
Andrew: Right, right.
Laura: Yeah, I would not...
Micah: Which I think is...
Laura: ...be surprised if they brushed over that completely.
Micah: ...is an awesome scene, if they did it the right way. I don't think it would take a whole lot of filming, to be honest.
Laura: Honestly, what I think will happen is it will start at the Dursleys' and Harry will have a copy of the Daily Prophet or something and it'll say, "Fudge resigned," or whatever. It'll...
Matt: I think the first scene is going to be with Snape and Bellatrix and Narcissa.
Laura: Yeah, I mean I don't...
Matt: Aren't the first two chapters...
Laura: Yeah, those are the first two chapters.
Matt: ...not even related to Harry at all?
Laura: But I wonder...
Laura: I mean, they have to have that in. They have to do it somewhere.
Andrew: See, but that just reminds me of the beginning of Goblet of Fire the - oh, wait, no, they included that.
Laura: Yeah, but they didn't explain a whole lot about it. That was the one problem with that scene.
Laura: If you had never read the book, that scene made no sense.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew: I guess it would just get people worried. People who haven't read the books, you know?
Matt: But this, but Book 6 seems to me a lot easier to cut down than Book 5 was.
Andrew: Yeah. I mean...
Laura: Yeah. There was a lot.
Matt: There's a lot of material in Book 6, but it could be cut down a lot more cleanly than the butcher they did in Book 5.
Andrew: See, I don't think the wedding would be too hard to get into in Book 7. I could sort of see that just coming out of nowhere because it doesn't need much set up. It's a wedding.
Andrew: So, I mean, it could be set up in the beginning of Movie 7. They could just be like, "Oh, and the wedding's in a few days. Oh, yeah, better go to that. Hope there won't be a Death Eater attack."
Matt: But not if it comes out of nowhere.
Andrew: Well, why not?
Matt: They don't even have anyone casted.
Laura: Well, they don't have to cast them yet if they're just going to make it in "seven."
Laura: Because all they'd have to do is have Harry get a letter or have Ron tell him or something, be like, "Oh yeah, by the way, they're getting married." So...
Andrew: Or I could see like Mrs. Weasley walking in while they're talking one day and being like, "Don't forget, the wedding's in three days," and then they could change it so Harry's just finding out about it. He can be like, "The wedding?" He's like, "Yeah, blah, blah, blah, we're having a wedding," and you know? It's all set up.
Matt: That's just going to leave more stuff in an already huge story they have to tell for Book 7, though.
Micah: Yeah, well going back to what you said, Matt, I think they can probably do more in this movie than they've done in previous ones, because they can cut some stuff that's really insignificant, but they can also do a good job setting up Book 7, or Movie 7, rather.
Matt: Yeah, because they actually know how it ends now.
Andrew: And that's true. That's very true, yeah.
Matt: And they can - I really hope they actually put in a little thing about the locket.
Micah: Yeah, they left that completely out of Movie 5.
Matt: They left that completely out, and as we're going to do in Chapter-by-Chapter, it's pretty significant, and they haven't even casted what's his name?
Matt: Mundungus Fletcher, yeah. They haven't even casted him. So he's just going to steal stuff from a house that he doesn't even know?
Laura: I wonder if they'll change that so they don't have to cast him.
Andrew: Yeah, that sounds like something that will be changed.
Laura: Like have Kreacher have hidden it somewhere, or something. Just make it easy.
Matt: Or given it to Umbridge or something.
Andrew: Yeah. But see, as we'll discuss later, the Mundungus scenes in this week's Chapter-by-Chapter are really, really – I would love to see them in the movie. Played out in the movie.
Andrew: Okay, so let's move onto announcements and then we're going to talk a little bit more about the movies in Muggle-mail. Just an update on the Spring Break tour that we're sort of thinking about, we're looking into the possibility with Borders and we'll see what happens from there. It looks like we'll have plenty of people for each of those five stops. So right now we're aiming for Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore or DC and then finally Richmond, Virginia. So we'll look into that more. Again, nothing is confirmed yet, we're just giving you a heads up and black out your calendars if you live in this area for March 15th to the 20th, and we'll see what we can do. Hopefully we'll have an update within a few weeks if that works out.
Matt: I'm sorry people on the West Coast. We just don't get anything.
Andrew: [laughs] You don't get - Matt, you could do your own tour with Mikey! The Matt and Mikey Tour.
Andrew: Mikey would be down with that. What was that, fake laugh? Do you not like Mikey or something?
Matt: No, no, no, that was sarcasm.
Andrew: Oh okay. So Podcast Alley, everyone be sure to vote for us over there. There is this podcast called Keith and the Girl, and they decided to take over more of the Podcast Alley top ten lists, and they have three of their shows on Podcast Alley top ten right now, which is kind of ridiculous.
Micah: Yeah, they were all in the top five but some podcast called MuggleCast knocked one of them down a spot.
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Andrew: Nice. So we're number five right now, as of Thursday.
Matt: But they took the entire balcony of the New York, New York hotel in Las Vegas during New Year's.
Andrew: [laughs] They did! Matt and I were coming out of New York, New York in Las Vegas and there was this little Keith and the Girl poster thing, and I think they were having some sort of outdoor get together right there. That was funny. We should have grafittied the sign, vote for MuggleCast on Podcast Alley.
Micah: Yeah, go vote. Otherwise we are not going to do another podcast this month.
Andrew: That's pretty mean.
Laura: Yeah, really.
Andrew: That's pretty demanding.
Matt: There's something buggin' Micah.
Andrew: [laughs] Oooh!
Micah: Guys, come on.
[Andrew, Laura and Matt laugh]
Micah: It's the last podcast of January, get it?
Andrew: Oh, I get it.
Andrew: That's funny. Micah got us.
Andrew: New segment, Micah Got Us!
Laura: Oh, can I say something?
Micah: Yeah, that'll be up on Wikipedia after this show is released.
Andrew: Yeah, yes.
Micah: Along with all of our other useless segments.
Andrew: [laughs] Whoa!
Andrew: Okay we'll move on. I'll talk to you after the show.
Andrew: You need another spanking. Yeah, Laura.
Laura: I just wanted to address something. I've gotten a few e-mails about this. People who think I was mocking people who say "y'all" last week.
Micah: Oh yeah, I've seen those. What were you doing?
Laura: I was not - no, okay. When I was reading the e-mail...
Matt: What was going through your head?
Laura: A couple of weeks prior to this episode we got an e-mail...
Micah: It's not like you live in Georgia.
Laura: I know. This is my point! People, I am from the South, why would I mock you? Anyway, okay. A couple of weeks prior to this last episode, we got an e-mail and it said, "y'all" in it, and Andrew was trying to read it, and it came out "yuh all," and so I wasn't really thinking about mocking anyone in particular so when I was reading the e-mail I just was kind of like "y'all," emphasizing the fact that I knew how to say it. I wasn't trying to be obnoxious.
Micah: So really, you were making fun of Andrew.
Laura: Yeah, and I mean I don't personally use the word. I did when I was very young and I lived in Texas and everyone said "y'all," but I don't anymore, but I don't have a problem with people who do. So please stop complaining.
Matt: You didn't even say it right that time.
Laura: No, it was better. Y'all.
Andrew: Well, that's how we east coasters say it. North easterners.
Matt: Oh, okay. It ain't you all, it's y'all.
Laura: It ticks me off when I'm up at school and all these people think that they're southern, and they're like, "what do y'all wanna do?" and I'm like no. Stop. Just stop. Don't even.
Andrew: Like if someone on another podcast mocked my east coast podcast, or my east coast accent, I wouldn't be offended.
Andrew: You know, we're just playing around. We're sharing a few L-O-Ls back and forth.
Laura: Yeah. It's not a big deal.
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Andrew: And lastly, I just wanted to say that Eric had planned to come on the show this week, but he came down with a little flu action, so he regrets not being here, but if you want to send him some e-mails to eric at staff dot mugglenet dot com I'm sure that'll make him feel a little better. He's not, you know, he's sick, so he couldn't join us this week, but he tried. So let's move onto Muggle-mail now. Who wants to take the first e-mail?
Muggle Mail: Movie 7 Intermission
Laura: Okay. The first e-mail comes from Rupsha, 13, of Dallas. She says:
"Dear MuggleCasters. In response to Episode 128, you were talking about how usually intermissions aren't included in movies anymore. Actually, most all Hindi movies (movies from India) include intermissions because they are usually 3-4 hours long. These movies usually do very well in the Bollywood box office. If Warner Bros. makes the decision to make Deathly Hallows a longer film, instead of breaking it up into two movies, the prospect of having an intermission would be a good idea."
Andrew: Yeah. This is a good e-mail. I hope Warner Bros. really takes into consideration - you know globally. They look at how other countries would do intermissions and see how successful they are. Because, like we said, it would be great for the movie theaters.
Andrew: They would love that, making all that extra money off of snacks and stuff. They're doubling their income I would think.
Laura: Oh, yeah. For sure.
Matt: I honestly don't think it's a very smart idea to make two movies though.
Matt: Especially - unless they release them both at the same time.
Laura: I think it would be better to make it one long movie with an intermission than to make it two movies.
Matt: Yeah, exactly.
Matt: If they make it two movies, if they separate it in between a month even at the least, people are going to forget the first movie.
Matt: People are going to - once they see the part two, they're going to forget and want to watch the first one again.
Matt: The first part.
Micah: I mean, it would be a logistical nightmare between premieres and getting the actors to get from one place to another in a short period of time, I think. And if you extend it out further you run into other people's commitments and things like that. So...
Matt: It's just too expensive, even just commercially.
Micah: Absolutely, yeah. No, I agree. I don't dislike this idea. I think it would be cool to split it up and give people like a 15-minute break and then go back another two hours.
Andrew: Honestly, give us what we want for once. I mean, for how long? We've been saying this since Sorcerer's Stone. Make the movies longer, fit in more, just do it.
Matt: And what part of the population would complain, too?
Matt: What part of the - how big of the population would not go see it just because of the intermission?
Andrew: Nobody, I guarantee you. Who would that affect?
Matt: It's the last Harry Potter film.
Andrew: Right, the only concern I could see with this is parents bringing their little kids. If the parents aren't fans of Harry Potter, they're going to see that it's like four and a half hours or whatever, but these days the parents will do whatever the kids want though.
Matt: It's not a child's film anymore though. It's not even PG any more.
Andrew: Yeah, but there are. There are parents out there who have the ten-year olds, and the ten-year olds are like [in high voice]"Daddy I gotta see "Harry Potter.'"
Matt: Well, that's the parent's fault for bringing the little kids that scream during the film.
[Andrew, Laura, and Micah laugh]
Andrew: But what the kids want, the kids get. This is how America works.
Matt: You're right, but what they fans want, they should be able to get for once.
Muggle Mail: Movie Split
Andrew: That's, touché. Tou-frickin-ché. All right, so let's move onto the next e-mail. This also talks about the split. This is from A. M., 13, of Chicago:
"I was listening to MuggleCast Episode 128 when you were discussing the movie being split in two parts. Number one: I personally don't believe that the movie should be split into two parts. Number two: But I have an idea about were the movie should be split into two parts. Number three: If the 'Harry Potter' writers decide to split Movie 7 into two parts. Number four:I imagine that a great place to leave the first part, number five: would be when Harry is being caught by Greyback. I believe that this would create a great cliffhanger and leave the movie goers speechless as Harry is taken away by the bad guys. Love the show! Pickles, Quack!"
Andrew: I like that. You need a good cliffhanger.
Andrew: And it should be worth it. It should be a real - you're about to explode. You want to see what's about to happen, and then the lights come up and intermission or whatever it says.
Laura: Yeah, that would be fabulous.
Matt: Well, not only does it have to be a cliffhanger, but it needs some closure to what happened in the book.
Andrew: What are you talking about?
Matt: It needs a little downfall, but also an intent to get you to come back.
Andrew: Right, well that's what the cliffhanger is.
Matt: Is that a good spot, do you think?
Laura: I think so.
Micah: It's about 450 pages into the book, so I don't know how much that would leave afterwards, but I'm assuming the end scene with Hogwarts is going to be...
Laura: Yeah, that could give them...
Micah: ...fairly long.
Laura: ...extremely adequate time.
Matt: Now that I am looking at the names of the chapters, I think that is a good spot too, because that is right after they find out about the Deathly Hallows.
Andrew: Right, exactly. Yeah, you want to leave the viewers with a ton of information in their minds, but isn't answered yet.
Matt: Oh, okay. I just read the end of right before the "Malfoy Manor" chapter. That is a perfect spot to end, cause that is right when they catch them with the taboo.
Andrew: Okay. Cool. Cool. I agree with what you are saying though. I didn't see the point you were making at first, but when I think of Lost, how at the end of every episode there is basically a cliff hanger. It ends off right when something is about to happen. Is that what you are trying to say?
Andrew: Right. Instead of something just happening and then ending, it is about to happen and then it ends?
Matt: Well - yeah, sure.
Andrew: [laughs] Okay. Thanks for working with me on that.
Micah: So we don't think that it should be split in two, but if it were this would be a good spot.
Andrew: No, no. We do think it should be split in two, just with an intermission, not with two films being released.
Matt: Well the best times when something is split into two or when there is a to-be-continued, there is always a climactic scene that's starting to go down, a descending climax, after the climax is starting to descend and then there's another climax that is just about to start again.
Micah: Yeah, but I think this person is saying that if the movie was split into two and it came out at two different times.
Micah: Which we are against that it would split.
Matt: But this would be a good spot for an intermission as well.
Micah: Yeah, exactly, yeah. I think so, too.
Andrew: All right. Let's move on to the next email.
Muggle Mail: Tongue Tying Curse
Matt: Our next e-mail comes from Shana, 23, from Norfolk, Virginia:
"Hey guys, let me apologize in advance if this sounds 'know it all.' It's not you, just how I talk and type. I have three comments and I hope they are helpful."
Oh, you guys gave me the long one!
Matt: Okay. Okay.
"Number One. As it relates to the Tongue Tying Curse, you all said it happened when the figure of Dumbledore appears but it is actually when they first step in and Moody's voice asks 'Severus Snape?' They say 'We're not Snape' and the curse is lifted. I think this curse lasted beyond Moody's death because he made it so. Just like Grimmauld Place is unplottable because of Sirius's dad and the posters in his room and the Black family tree have the Permanent Sticking Charm. Even after these characters have died the spell remains. Number Two..."
Andrew: Hold on, let's address each one at a time.
Andrew: I think she makes a good point with point one.
Matt: Well, the whole reason why the Sticking Charm wasn't lifted was because hence the name "the permanent sticking charm."
Micah: Yeah. [laughs]
Matt: That's probably why the curse wasn't lifted.
Micah: Right. And from what I remember it wasn't just the spell that Dumbledore had put on Harry that was lifted, it was spells that Dumbledore had put on Hogwarts that were lifted as well.
Micah: So, I don't really...
Matt: That is how Hermione got all those books out of his office.
Micah: Yeah, so I think it would be almost an argument where it's just one of those situations where a spell lasts beyond the life of a person.
Micah: Maybe there are certain spells that are lifted upon the death of a certain wizard as opposed to those that aren't.
Matt: Well yeah, I am sure that there are some spells that aren't completely permanent.
Matt: I mean... Sorry.
Micah: Well, I think her argument is almost going in the direction, well he put the spell on a place as opposed to a person, but we all know that Dumbledore also put spells on a place that at least from what I remember reading were supposedly lifted when he died.
Micah: So, it doesn't really hold much water this argument.
Micah: I am sure there are other places or other things that we've seen throughout the series that have had spells placed on them, then when people died they didn't go anywhere, but it's just a good question I think - why wasn't the spell lifted?
Micah: Do we really have a good answer to it? I don't know.
Andrew: Well, I think just like she says, just because Moody made it so.
Micah: Yeah, that's possible.
Andrew: I think it's simple like that. It's there for protection.
Matt: Yeah, if it's intended to stay there then I don't think it would have been lifted after the person dies.
Andrew: Right. Obviously. Yeah. Well, let's move on to point two Matt.
Muggle Mail: The Fidelius Charm
"Number two: As to the Fidelius Charm - like you all mentioned in the podcast, Wormtail would have had to tell Bathilda where the Potters were hidden for her to drop by. This could have been at the request of Lily. And Sirius might have known where the Potters were but if you check out hp-lexicon.org under the Fidelius Charm it says that 'one could press their nose to the house and not see the Potters in it if they had not been told the secret. And when a Secret Keeper dies all those who know the secret becomes the Secret Keepers in turn.'"
Andrew: Yeah. We got a lot of e-mails about this.
Andrew: I can't believe we didn't make the connection between Dumbledore, you know, the whole Grimmauld Place thing...
Andrew: You know?
Andrew: They all were the Secret Keeper.
Laura: Yeah, I guess I just felt like the difference was that they were supposed to be under such tight security measures and it just seemed weird that they would, I don't know, tell people where they were.
Micah: Well, I mean, part of what we brought up on last week's show, also, and I think I read something from the Lexicon, was that anybody could know where the Potters were, but they couldn't tell anybody else what that location was. Only Wormtail could do that.
Micah: So, a million people could've known where the Potters were at, but only Wormtail could divulge the information.
Andrew: Right. And those million people, if they weren't Death Eaters, you know, and then the Death Eaters are looking for them, but they don't know where they are because nobody could tell them.
Matt: That's kind of, though, a little bit of a hole, though.
Laura: I think it's kind of a stretch.
Matt: Because if you know - I mean, just because somebody can't tell you where they are, but you know that they know, you could probably trace how many people know and you could probably get to a certain vicinity of where the person's hiding.
Andrew: That's true. If you could follow - I mean, I guess the only other way would be to follow them.
Matt: If you're a relatively good detective, you could probably figure it out.
Matt: If that was the case.
Andrew: Yeah. I guess you would be able to follow them in, right? Because that's why in this book, they're always Apparating to the top step of Grimmauld Place.
Andrew: Because if they were seen outside - or maybe it's just so they know - maybe they only did that so they don't know who's in Grimmauld Place. I don't know.
Matt: Well, I'm sure they all Apparate.
Matt: I mean, the only reason why they didn't Apparate to Grimmauld Place in that one instance was because Harry was too young.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.
Matt: I don't think you could really follow someone who Apparates unless they're holding onto you, like they say in the book.
Andrew: No, well I wasn't saying that, I was saying if - I'm saying someone who doesn't know the secret could just follow someone walking who does know the secret.
Andrew: You know? And just go right in. Maybe? I don't know.
Matt: Oh, okay.
Andrew: Interesting stuff.
Andrew: And point three.
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