Andrew: Right. So next point: Why are the Weasleys, the Longbottoms and the Lovegoods (their families) sending Ginny, Neville and Luna back to school knowing everything that they know? Because I mean, they're...
Matt: Well, they know. They know that they have to go. It's mandatory now. They can't keep them at home.
Andrew: Oh! That's true. Duh! Next point. I don't know who put that in. Probably, Laura.
Matt: That's probably her. She didn't read Chapter 12.
Andrew: Yeah. And she left, so we can blame everything on her.
Andrew: Next point: Is the plan to penetrate the Ministry flawed? Micah, you wanted to bring this up because...
Andrew: Micah, I said.
Matt: Oh, I thought you said Mikey.
Andrew: You know, they're just walking in with Polyjuice Potion, and before the show I was saying, "You know what? There's got to be some flaws in this plan if they're going - if they're knocking these people out that they're turning into - they're knocking them out and they're going to come back to work the next day and be like, you know, 'Oh, wait a second. I didn't do this. Oh wait a second. I didn't do that.'" I mean, there are flaws in this plan that obviously didn't get brought up in the book, because it would have been nice to see what would have happened.
Matt: That's the whole point though. This whole thing was rushed.
Andrew: Yeah, but you don't see any...
Matt: They don't really care about the consequences anymore because all they're thinking about is going forward.
Andrew: Right, but what I'm saying is - in reality, that would have really posed a problem. And, I mean, Jo could have wrote in some subplot, but it's not that necessary, it's sort of out of the way, and it obviously doesn't effect the ending of the book. But in all reality, that must have caused some problems, because that probably would...
Matt: It probably did.
Andrew: ...have been a security breach too. But we don't know that. You know what I'm saying? Like don't you think it would have been a huge security breach?
Matt: Yeah, because we only know it from their perspective. It probably was going on; it just didn't reach them by the time all this stuff happened.
Andrew: Oh that's true. That's - yeah. They were out of touch when they were camping...
Micah: Well, I think Matt brought up a...
Matt: And the Ministry is huge.
Micah: ...good point though, that it - the plan itself was definitely rushed because you have that whole conversation between Harry, Ron and Hermione, where Harry was saying, "Let's just do it tomorrow."
Micah: And you can understand that from the perspective of, well we need to start acting; we can't just keep talking about it. We need to just do it. But the thing that really bothered me about this part of the story was, to me, if you were these three young witches or wizards and you're going to go and infiltrate the Ministry it would seem to me that you'd need to be a little more clever than just using Polyjuice Potion. And obviously...
Micah: ...it has consequences in the following chapters...
Micah: ...where they come face-to-face with one of the people that they took out. But it just - it seems so unrealistic that they can just walk by Umbridge or walk by Yaxley or walk by any of these people and there is absolutely no recognition on the part of these Ministry officials that something is up until, you know, a little bit later on.
Micah: And look, I know it's a fantasy series. I know that...
Micah: ...all of this is unrealistic, but Jo usually does a really good job making things seem like, "Hey, you know, that could actually work."
Micah: And this was just one of those chapters where it's almost like...
Matt: Everything was just coincidental...
Micah: Yeah. It's just...
Matt: With them meeting everybody.
Micah: Like, we're talking about the Ministry, which is supposedly under the control of Voldemort and they're just going to walk right in disguised as other people, get the Horcrux, you know, have a little bit of trouble along the way, and get out.
Andrew: So Micah, say you were Harry. What would be your plan to infiltrate the Ministry? Say you were the James Bond of the Harry Potter world, how would you...
Andrew: ...get in the Ministry?
Micah: But my point is this: why would you have to get into the Ministry?
Andrew: The locket.
Micah: Doesn't Umbridge live somewhere?
Matt: Yeah, I was just going to say, can't you just like wait by her house?
Andrew: But doesn't she keep the locket in the Ministry?
Micah: I don't - there's - is that a guarantee?
Matt: No, she keeps it around her neck.
Andrew: Well, I guess in defense of [laughs] Jo, I guess, they know exactly where she works, they don't know where she lives, and it would, you know - how would they find out where she lives? Wouldn't they have to go into the Ministry? [laughs]
Matt: They could follow her.
Micah: Hey, hold on a second.
Andrew: Don't say, "phonebook."
Micah: "Kreacher, bring me Umbridge."
Andrew: Oh yeah, but see, somebody would notice Umbridge was missing. And then Umbridge would run back and...
Micah: Would anybody care?
Matt: Well, I thought Hermione was getting used to the Memory Charms.
Andrew: Oh that's true too. But once Umbridge - okay, this could also be solved with the Memory Charm, but once Umbridge is in Grimmauld Place, wouldn't she be able to tell people where it is?
Matt: She wouldn't know where she was.
Andrew: Yeah, I guess.
Matt: Kreacher just brought her there. Kreacher didn't say, "Oh yeah, we're going to take you to Grimmauld Place."
Micah: Yeah, we're just trying to come up with other things...
Micah: This is all pure speculation, I guess?
Matt: Yeah. But look, we thought about this plan in what, five minutes? They could have done that.
Andrew: Right. [laughs] Right. [laughs again] Yeah, I don't know. Talk to them someday.
Andrew: Why does Hermione - last point we want to bring up today - why does Hermione still insist that Harry stay out of Voldemort's mind? Because in this chapter, once again, Harry tries to hide it from Ron and Hermione. He runs up to the bathroom and then hides in there while he goes into Voldemort's mind, but Hermione still insists that Harry stay out. Why does Hermione do that? Why can't she just - I mean, she's not going to be able to change Harry's mind and, really, it does work to their advantage.
Matt: Yeah, well, in this book - in this chapter - in this book it did.
Andrew: Of course in Order of the Phoenix it didn't, but Harry learned his lesson and, I mean, he just has to accept now that that's a possibility, that that could happen. But really, he has nothing to lose at this point. Unless Voldemort makes up this scene where he's about to kill Ron and Hermione, or any close Order members...
Matt: Mhm. Well, Hermione doesn't know anything about it. That's the whole point; the only thing that she knows is that Dumbledore told Harry that he shouldn't be opening his mind to it.
Matt: That's the only thing she knows, and she's scared about it because of all the consequences that happened.
Micah: But, in the fact is, it's a good thing. It's really a good thing in the end. I mean, Harry even starts to think that he should be using this to his advantage. I mean it keeps him, you know, in sync with what Voldemort is doing, and it has a huge role, you know, later on when he can feel Voldemort going from place to place looking for all the Horcruxes that have been destroyed.
Micah: And, you know, I think it's a connection that she should just step off on.
Micah: Because it's giving Harry the clues that he needs to help solve this, you know, really complex puzzle.
Matt: Mhm. And, technically, is it really Occlumency? Because they are connected. He is part of Voldemort.
Micah: Yeah. Right, and maybe that's the problem. Maybe he wouldn't have been able to keep it out.
Matt: I mean, even if he tried to close his mind would it even work?
Andrew: Oh, that's true. But, see, Dumbledore did know that he had the special connection with Voldemort, and Dumbledore still recommended that Snape teach him the lessons.
Andrew: So, I think Dumbledore would've had an idea whether or not the lessons would actually work. The Occlumency would really work.
Matt: Okay, talking about Occlumency, since we're on this subject.
Matt: Is it even possible to shut your mind while you're asleep? I mean, aren't you just vulnerable when you're asleep? Can you use Occlumency, I mean, are you capable of doing Occlumency while you're asleep?
Micah: That's a good question.
Andrew: Well, I guess the question is, do we know how it actually works? I mean is it a - does it only work while you're actually focusing on it? Or is there a way to keep it in your head somehow?
Matt: Well, it always happens when he's at his most vulnerable point, and that's when he's asleep. He has a hard time doing it even when he's conscious. So, how in the world is he going to be able to do it when he's in a fragile, sleeping state?
Andrew: According to the Lexicon, "elementary Occlumency involves clearing the mind of thoughts and emotions so that the Legilimens can find no emotional ties to memories the target wished to conceal." So say if you clear your mind for bed, and you fall asleep, because isn't - aren't there studies that say, like, you always dream about what you are thinking right when you fall asleep?
Andrew: So right, if you have your mind cleared...
Matt: Well, is that even possible? I mean, unless you have a Pensieve near your bed...
Matt: ...and just empty all your mind.
Andrew: Hey! That's too much work though. It's like taking out your contacts at night or putting in your retainer before bed.
Micah: Yeah, I mean, where would you even get one of those?
Matt: Yeah, see, I would stop doing all of those.
Micah: You would like go to Home Depot and be like, "Yeah I'll have a Pensieve."
Andrew: [laughs] "I want an auto-Pensieve."
Matt: [laughs] Yeah. You go to Costco and get the 10-pack.
Micah: Yeah, exactly
Andrew: Well, it's not like a one use only. It is not like a disposable razor. I mean, you can use the same one night to night, right?
Micah: And if you need to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night and it's right there...
Matt: [laughs] "This Pensieve is not the same color it was yesterday."
Matt: "Why is my Pensieve all yellow?"
Micah: It can be multi-purpose. I mean, if you're sick...
Micah: ...you know?
Andrew: "Mr. Bob: Pensieve Edition"
Andrew: "Mr. Bob Is On The Job."
Micah: You can wash your face when you get up in the morning. You don't even need to go to the bathroom.
Andrew: Oh, my god, Micah.
Matt: You wash your face in the morning and you're hit with all these past aggressions and memories from your past.
Andrew: That is terrible.
Andrew: Oh, my god. Brush your teeth, use it to go number two, the possibilities are endless.
Micah: I don't know.
Matt: Okay, okay.
Micah: That's a little too much.
Andrew: You guys don't? I use a sink for everything. Just me?
Matt: Yeah, I know you do.
Andrew: Hmmm, weird. [laughs] All right, well...
Micah: Well, there's a Ben's Top Ten List: Top Ten Uses of a Pensieve.
Andrew: Yeah, there you go. Everyone submit...
Micah: Get creative.
Andrew: ...not everyone. But, yeah, be creative, send in a creative list. "Top Ten Ways to Use a Pensieve." We've given you some ideas, don't copy all of them, but build it off of what we came up with.
Micah: [laughs] There's a lot of room for improvement. Andrew Yeah.
Andrew: "In its more advance form, Occlemency allows the user to suppress only feelings and memories that contradict what the user wishes a Legitamens to believe, thus allowing the Occlamens to lie without self-betrayal." So, I don't know. I mean, this is used to Harry's advantage and Harry's learned his lesson once. I think at this point he would just - since he was still looking into Voldemort's mind, I believe that he just has to take the risk and to decide whether or not it's real.
Matt: Yeah. Let's move along.
Andrew: Yeah, that does wrap up Chapter-by-Chapter today. Chapter 13 next week, maybe Chapter 14 as well. We'll review it at our next board meeting.
Andrew: It's time for Quote Quiz. [echoes "quiz"]
[Matt and Micah laugh sarcastically]
Andrew: "She had to go down to the Court Rooms with Umbridge. She couldn't refuse and..." cuts off.
Andrew: This has been Quote Quiz. [echoes "quiz"] I'm doing a new thing now where I move my head further away from the microphone so it's more like, Quote Quiz. [echoes "quiz" with quieter echo]
Micah: That's nice.
Matt: Yeah, that is sweet.
Micah: Very talented.
Andrew: Hey, I have a new idea. I have a new idea. We'll all do the echo.
So I'll do, "Quote quiz!" And then Matt goes, "...quiz," and Micah goes, "...quiz." And I go, "...quiz," and then we all do it lower and lower.
Matt: Yeah, no. Let's not do that.
Andrew: No, that'd be fun. That'd be fun. Can we try it, please? So, I'll do it first. I'll do, "Quote quiz!" and then Matt, you go, "...quiz." And then Micah goes, "...quiz." And I go, "...quiz." Okay?
Micah: Sure, why not?
Andrew: All right. You have to do it fast. Quote quiz!
Micah: [pauses a long time] Quiz.
Andrew: Quiz... [laughs]
Andrew: I liked it. Sorry, guys.
Matt: I'm so embarrassed right now for doing that.
Andrew: Sorry. Want to have a little fun on the - Okay, you say Sweeney Todd last week. You can't dig yourself any deeper.
Matt: Yeah, but I'm freaking awesome that way.
Andrew: Hey, here's a fun segment. It's time to play Make the Connection. Since Jamie's not around this week - and we don't know when he's going to be back, cause he's back at school - Matt's going to be taking over Make the Connection until Jamie returns. Matt, there's a lot of pressure. A lot of pressure. I mean, Jamie sent you a couple of ideas, but...
Matt: Yeah, he sent me a couple things. Well, it's pretty cool now, though. Because since Laura left - since Jamie only sent me two, I can just tell them to both of you.
Andrew: Well - okay.
Matt: Yeah. Okay.
Andrew: All right, so Micah starts first, since Micah didn't go last time.
Matt: Yeah. All right, Micah. Make the connection between Harry Potter and writing a science fiction novel to be read only by camels.
Micah: Only by camels, right?
Matt: Only by camels.
Micah: [laughs] I don't even know what to say to that.
Matt: [imitates Jamie] Oh, come on, Micah! It's very simple.
[Andrew and Micah laugh]
Andrew: It's right in front of you.
Micah: It's right in front of you.
Matt: [imitates Jamie] I have faith in you, Micah. I have faith in you.
Micah: The only comparison I can think of was those two camels that those House-elves were riding in...
Andrew: [laughs] Goblet of Fire.
Micah: ...Goblet of Fire. Otherwise, I don't know how you compare Harry Potter and a science fiction book wrote strictly for camels.
Andrew: [laughs] Well, you can say that the science fiction book told the House-elves - told the camels how to ride with House-elves on their back. Because House-elves are very light, so that poses the possible problem. Especially if they were to apparate off the back. Once that weight suddenly disappears, the camels might be thrown off balance.
[Andrew presses the "That Was Easy Button"]
Micah: All right, let's hear the other one.
Micah: And I'll help Andrew out on that.
Matt: Since I already sent you one, I'm going to think of something else.
Matt: All right. So - okay. Harry Potter and eating Chick-Fil-A while watching Sweeney Todd.
Andrew: [laughs] What? Okay, seriously, that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Ummm...
Matt: Do it.
Andrew: Okay, I have to admit, Sweeney Todd is one of my favorite movies right now. And Chick-Fil-A is my favorite delicacy. So...
Matt: You're stalling!
Andrew: No, no. When I get into the movies, when I see a Harry Potter film, I love seeing the Potter films while eating nachos and cheese, which is also one of my favorite delicacies. So, the connection is that you can eat your favorite delicacy while watching one of your favorite movies.
Matt: Maybe I'm just not getting Make the Connection.
Andrew: You just have to make a connection between Harry Potter and item number two.
Matt: All right, okay.
Andrew: I know that wasn't exactly what I was supposed to - and that's impossible, Matt, that's [laughs] pretty impossible. I don't know.
Matt: Well, the one that Jamie gave me wasn't any better.
Micah: What was it?
Matt: It was Harry Potter and eating antique ice cream while fighting Hercules.
[Andrew and Micah laugh]
Andrew: Well, Hercules is a very powerful charactal - uhhh...
Matt: Charactal, huh?
Andrew: Charactal, yeah. Sorry, if you watch home videos - I just did it again! [laughs]
[Matt makes slurring noises to mock Andrew]
[Andrew makes slurring noises]
Micah: Well, actually, you could - I don't know how you would spin this - but Hercules defeated what's his name, the three headed dog - the trio got by the three headed dog.
Andrew: Did he?
Micah: But that has nothing to do with ice cream and battling Hercules.
Matt: Yeah, see...
Andrew: Well, you could say that dogs like ice cream. I don't know.
Andrew: Jamie would have to be there to moderate that, I don't know, we'll see. Matt, do you want people to e-mail in ideas? That's what we used to do with Jamie.
Matt: Yeah sure, if Jamie's not going to be on because he's at school for the next couple of weeks, I'm perfectly okay with that.
Andrew: Okay! So e-mail in some good Make the Connections that are possible. Maybe if you have your own idea include it in the e-mail - include the connection in the e-mail and then Matt just won't read that. He can read that after we answer ours. So yeah, answer your own make the connection so we know it's doable, and you can quiz yourself at home. Matt at staff - no matthewb, sorry. Matthewb, M-a-t-t-h-e-w-b at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Matt, maybe I'll make you an easier one that's a little shorter.
Andrew: So we'll wrap things up today, as always, with a nice little Chicken Soup that will make everyone feel good. This is a good segment we do. This one comes from Stacey B. 22, of [sings] Baaaltimooore, Maryland. She writes:
"This isn't a normal Chicken Soup. You get letters every week about how someone's grandmother just passed away or how stressed out they are from finals or just simply because work is torture. These people who are down and out reach out to you as MuggleCasters to help them on their way. No matter what our burden is, we can always count on you to brighten our day. Laughter is the best medicine of all. You have no idea how many lives you guys have touched. And I think I speak for the listeners when I say, 'Thank you!' from the bottom of our hearts. This Chicken Soup goes out to the MuggleCasters for everything they do for the fans."
Andrew: Well, thank you, Stacey, that's very nice of you.
Andrew: Like I say almost every show, it's always great to hear how MuggleCast really affects people's lives and it's one of the main reasons why we'll never permanently end the show. I mean, that's just mean! We'll always be coming out with more episodes. We'll aim for once a month after Chapter-by-Chapter is done. And, you know, more good things will come, more good things will come.
Andrew: So, I think that's about it for this week's episode of MuggleCast. But right now it's time to remind everyone about our contact information in case you want to get in touch with us.
Micah: The po box.
Andrew: If you want to send us - huh?
Micah: The po box.
Andrew: The po box, Micah. If someone wants to send something to the pickle object box, where do they do that? How do they send it?
Micah: Send it to:
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Matt: Add me where?
Andrew: To the feedback form on MuggleCast.com.
Matt: Oh, okay.
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Andrew: I think that's about it for this week's show.
Micah: Send in stuff for Chapter 13, because...
Andrew: Yes, send in stuff for chapter 13 that we can discuss.
Micah: And if we missed anything in Chapter 11 or 12 I'm sure we'll hear about it, so... [laughs]
Andrew: We'll hear about it. We'll get a gazillion, kagillion, patrillion, apillion e-mails.
Matt: At least two.
[Andrew and Micah laugh]
Andrew: Now remember, kids, parallels.
Micah: When are voicemails coming back? Or are they never coming back? [laughs]
[Show music begins]
Andrew: No, voicemails will come back. We just have to have time in the show to fit them in. Maybe we'll just do strictly Chapter-by-Chapter and voicemails next week with a fun segment, too.
Matt: Hopefully fun.
Andrew: If there's no news next week. You know, we need a break because we're trying to keep these shows a certain length each week. I mean, sometimes we go longer, sometimes shorter, but we aim for around an hour ten, an hour twenty an episode, you know?
Micah: Don't forget the top ten.
Andrew: Top ten, vote for us at Podcast Alley too, yes, thank you, Micah.
Micah: No, I meant the Top Ten Pensieve uses.
Andrew: Oh, Top Ten list. Yes, yes.
Andrew: Please send in those lists. No, it's all right.
Micah: Yeah, you can also vote for us at Podcast Alley if you want to.
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.
Micah: Like I said, you won't get another show in January if you don't.
Andrew: Right, exactly. So look out. Ummm, all right. Okay. So that wraps up this week's episode of MuggleCast. Once again, I'm Andrew Sims.
Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
Matt: And I'm Matthew Britton.
Andrew: Thank you everyone for joining us and we'll see everyone next week for Episode 130 in February. Goodbye!
[Show music ends]
Matt: Was that...
Andrew: Yeah, that's good enough.
Matt: Was that good enough? Okay.
Laura: Yeah. Just say that, like, that there were parallels drawn between that and Nazi Germany.
Matt: Oh okay. Oh yes, because I love parallels because they never meet.
Andrew: That was so funny, by the way.
Laura: That was really funny.
Andrew: I didn't hear that when we were recording, but...
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Andrew: ...when we were editing...
Matt: I don't even remember saying that.
Matt: I must have been doing something else because I was just trying to talk while Eric was talking.
Micah: Along with my pregnant comment. Do you remember that?
Matt: Yes. [laughs]
Andrew: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was funny, too. I missed that.
Laura: I didn't - what - what is it?
Andrew: Sometimes Micah says things, and someone else is talking, so we don't hear him. Say it, Micah, real quick.
Micah: Well, I think Andrew was talking about how - was it - Helena Bonham Carter? Or no, it was...
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.
Andrew: No, no, uh...
Micah: No, it was the other one who's playing Narcissa.
Andrew: Helen McCory.
Matt: Helen McCory.
Micah: Yeah, she was supposed to play Bellatrix but she got pregnant, and then I just said - I guess under somebody else - I just said, "Sorry about that."
Micah: And nobody noticed. Then it was on the show.
[Everyone is still laughing]
Micah: I saw people making comments about it, it was pretty funny.
Andrew: Yeah, when I heard it - when I heard it while editing, I was laughing my ass off. I IMed Micah and I was like, "Dude, I can't believe we missed that." It was so funny.
Andrew: He was like so straight forward, too. He was just like, [imitating Micah] "Sorry about that."
Matt: [imitating Micah]"Sorry about that."
Laura: Oh, that's brilliant.
Matt: Okay, I'm going to bring us back.
Micah: All right.
Matt: Well, ummm...
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