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Micah: Because Voicemails have finally returned, this is MuggleCast Episode 131 for February 10th, 2008.
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Mikey: "Hey guys. As much as I generally love you both..." - meaning myself and Eric - "...since I'm not going to be on the show tomorrow, I just wanted to say, can you please stay focused with the topics at hand while recording. I ended up cutting most of the off-topic stuff out of the show last week because it was long and the listeners really don't want to here about 'Star Wars' and other movies, etc. Feel free to draw parallels, but don't dwell on them. I'm not trying to lecture or anything, but just please keep in mind tomorrow because it's what's best for the show. Thanks, love you both, Andrew." Can you believe that, Eric? He doesn't want us to talk about what we feel like.
Eric: It's just - I don't know, man. He's been censoring these since Episode 3, so, I just...
Laura: I wouldn't...
Eric: I've learned to live with it. You know? I mean, he makes good decisions, usually.
Eric: It just means that we can't - I don't know. I don't know, Mikey. You're the movie guy and you get really enthusiastic about it.
Mikey: He's telling me not to do it and I know. I agree with you. Well, welcome to this week's Andrew-less show we have. I don't know, that was a really bad segue, but I'm trying to move this along.
Laura: [laughs] All right. Well, we've got a pretty good show for you guys this week. We're going to be talking about Chapter 14 in Deathly Hallows. This is also featuring the return of Voicemails, once again. I know you've heard that umpteen times during the life of this show, and we also have part two of our interview with Freddie Highmore. So, with that, I'm Laura Thompson.
Eric: I'm Eric Scull.
Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
Mikey: And I'm Mikey B.
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Micah: Micah Tannenbaum is standing by in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week's top Harry Potter news stories. Micah?
A few weeks ago we told you about two Deathly Hallows rumors: It could be split in two, and Steven Spielberg is being considered to direct. The latter item has picked up an extra piece of evidence after Richard Griffiths (who plays Vernon Dursley in the Potter films) reportedly told TeleText that Spielberg is a candidate. He said, "Being in a Spielberg film is a pretty good place to be. My agent had conversations with him, so anything is possible." He is further quoted in saying, "I'm not in the sixth film so I want bigger roles. I asked J.K. Rowling if she could write Vernon a bigger part and she said 'no," so there you go."
It is important to remember that nothing is confirmed. This should not be taken seriously until more solid sources come forward.
Spanish publication XLSemanal conducted a special interview with J.K. Rowling a few months ago, although it has only now emerged online. In a preview of the article, Jo discusses Minister for Magic, Cornelius Fudge, likening him to English Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain. Jo was quoted to saying, "My model of the world after Voldemort's return was, directly, the government of Neville Chamberlain in Great Britain during the Second World War, when he tried to minimize the menace of the Nazi regime for political convenience."
In the interview the author also talks about her personal life and relationships, as well as politics. The full interview is now available online.
And Half-Blood Prince filming in Gloucester Cathedral is well underway. Cast, extras, and crew are now all present at the Cathedral. ThisIsGloucestershire.co.uk has plenty of new photos.
Finally, the Literary and Historical Society of University College Dublin will present J.K. Rowling with a James Joyce Award on Tuesday, February 12th.
That's all the news for this February 10th, 2008 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.
Micah: Thanks, Micah. Oh, you're welcome.
Eric: Thanks, Micah.
Laura: Okay, so we've had some pretty good news this week. It's been better than some other weeks, right? What do you guys think?
Mikey: Oh, yeah. No, I'm excited about our first point that we're going to talk about, Laura. What do you think?
Laura: Yeah, and I mean you're the film guy here, Mikey, so why don't you start us off on that?
Eric: But don't talk about film.
Mikey: [laughs] All right, Andrew.
Eric: Only because Andrew warned us.
Micah: Well, he can bring up the topic, but only Laura and I can discuss it.
Mikey: Okay. But I'll read it off. Spielberg rumors again have emerged. What do you guys think about that?
Laura: You know, I'm not sure what I think about it. Because I feel like Spielberg has done some really great stuff, and then I feel that he's done some really awful stuff. So, I don't know. If he directed the film it could be really good or it could be really bad.
Mikey: Well, all right, my question is, what did you think that he did that was really bad? That's one of the questions, you know, like, what was really bad?
Laura: Well, I mean, what immediately springs to mind is just that I feel like he's kind of got that Chris Columbus quality of kind of making everything happy and light.
Eric: Because, clearly, Schindler's List...
Laura: No! But that's not...
Eric: ...was a very happy film.
Laura: That's not what I was referencing, though. Like - Clearly, Schindler's List was a very, very well done movie. I don't know if Spielberg has any specific producers he works with regularly - maybe Mikey can tell us about that - but I just know that there are certain films that he's been very much complimented on, whereas there are other films that people are just like, "what is this?" Like, I don't know.
Eric: It's true. There are critics of Spielberg films.
Mikey: My biggest thing is, Spielberg really hasn't done a horrible movie in quite a while. Like, you know, just looking at his last movie. I'm on IMDB right now. His most recent movie that's coming out is Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, which I'm super excited about. But his last films Munich - which did great - War of the Worlds, I was kind of iffy on, but it was still, you know - I think it had too much Tom Cruise, not necessarily his directing. I think he did a great job on it.
Mikey: [laughs] We're not even going to go to the Tom Cruise story. But Terminal, Catch Me If You Can was a great movie. I thought Minority Report as direction was great too. AI I thought was an amazing film, obviously didn't do really good. You know? But a lot of his stuff I - as a director, I like Spielberg. There's really not much of his stuff that I don't like. He doesn't direct as much anymore. He really doesn't, he's been producing a lot. So...
Eric: It's true. And his movies, in my opinion, are always so - I want to say heartful. You know, very hearty movies. He kind of creates how stories should be told. You know, he's obviously the big-name guy. He's the big guy who does this sort of thing. He makes these movies that are classics, like E.T. And he really makes - He's a movie-maker storyteller. He basically writes these - He does movies, he's how movies should be made. You know, because he has such creative control in them. And I just - there's something that connects with how he tells his stories with me. I love all of Spielberg's films.
Mikey: I agree with you. What do you think, Micah?
Micah: I'm just wondering, though, would he be the right person for Deathly Hallows in the sense that - and I'm not saying the directors that have come before him aren't big-name directors - but they seem to have kind of found their place a little bit with the Harry Potter series. And I'm not sure that bringing in such a big name to do the final film would make it any more impactful than if somebody else who had worked on the films previously would have come around and directed. You know, like an Alfonso Cuaron, like a - maybe even a David Yates again. I just - I'm afraid that this is a story that's sort of being over-sensationalized, like it has been in the past, and I'm not really sure that you would need to bring in Spielberg. Would it be cool? Yes. But - and it even goes to some of what Eric was saying before. You know, he's kind of this great storyteller, but kind of in his own way. I don't know how well he would work off of other people's work, you know, Mikey, if that makes sense.
Mikey: No, no, I agree. I can see where you're coming from.
Eric: I get that.
Mikey: I don't know if I would say that he couldn't work on someone else's work. Again, looking at War of the Worlds I think he did a phenomenal job with that, and even Jurassic Park, that was a Michael Creighton novel, and I think he did a great job with that film. Directing it.
Eric: It's a great movie.
Mikey: It's one of those things like, the score - obviously John Williams did the Harry Potter score, but you know, John Williams did Jurassic Park, too, and I could just hear those notes right away, and I know it's Jurassic Park. I know it's Harry Potter. I know it's Star Wars. I had to put John Williams in there with that stuff. But...
Eric: Well, see, that's the thing, yeah, because Spielberg and Williams work so well together.
Mikey: Yeah, and I would love to see Williams come back for the last Harry Potter movie.
Eric: That's exactly the thing I was thinking, is if Spielberg comes back, does John Williams come back?
Mikey: Yeah, that would be a cool thing, especially like - here's one thing. I'll give you a little bit of film stuff - is people are more forgiving of bad video or film quality versus music, and the reason why is, film is at twenty-four frames per second, so half the time, in between each cell or frame, there's a little black bar, and so that's playing through as we're watching our movies. So half the time we're sitting in a theater, we're sitting in pitch black. We don't see it being black, because our eyes keep memory of the picture, but music and sound, we're hearing everything. And I would love to hear - not saying that the other scores, like I love the Order of the Phoenix score, and I really like the music for Goblet of Fire. Obviously, these weren't done by John Williams, but I would love if Spielberg brought back Williams to do the last one, have this amazing just big, Hollywood-style, just really big score for the last movie, just give it a big send-off that I think it really would deserve, because it's the final chapter in this huge - you know, for Warner Brothers this is a huge franchise. And for us, this a huge, you know - it's the final movie of the book series. I remember finishing reading the book, and I was sad, and I'm going to be sad watching the last movie in theaters. Now, I'm going to be the first one to buy it on DVD, but it's the last thing. It needs a good send-off, and I think...
Laura: Well said, Mikey.
Micah: You can have John Williams back. I mean, you don't need to have Spielberg to have John Williams there.
Mikey: No, I know, but...
Eric: Which is another thing...
Micah: And this kind of leads into the next point, but this is a semi-reliable source that at least we're hearing these rumors from - in the form of Richard Griffiths talking about potentially being in a Spielberg film. We know he's not going to be in Half-Blood Prince, but he is definitely going to be in the final film, so, I mean, what do you guys think? Do you give any more credit to the rumor that it's coming from somebody like him, as opposed to just some tabloid?
Eric: I do. Just the idea that Richard Griffiths thinks it's possible is - I think it gives a little extra credit to it. I would like to see Spielberg have his hands on the material, is kind of what it is. Most of my urge for Spielberg - I think it would be really cool if he directed the movie of Book 7 because, obviously, they're really convinced that they're going to do it quite big, possibly two films, as we talked about last week, and it's just - I would really like to see Spielberg have his hand in the material. So, just the idea that Richard Griffiths is saying, "Well, you know, it might be really interesting to do a Spielberg film, and I think it's possible," then I think it does give credit to it, and I think it's really one of those interesting rumors that's going around about the seventh movie.
Micah: Right. And I think we'll hear more as time goes on, obviously. There will be more and more rumors as we get closer to something being announced. But speaking of Richard Griffiths, he also brought up the fact that he is not going to be in Half-Blood Prince, and I really can't remember if this was made public, and if it was, I don't think prior to this we ever discussed it. And to me this is kind of disappointing, because the whole scene that takes place on Privet Drive in Half-Blood Prince was really one of my favorite scenes in the book, and now we learn that it's not going to be there. What are you guys' thoughts about this?
Laura: Well, first of all, I wonder how they're going to tie in Dumbledore. It would just seem weird if they had Harry leaving Privet Drive and joining Dumbledore without even seeing the Dursleys, you know? So I really wonder how they're going to set that up.
Mikey: I could tell you. I see it now as a filmmaker.
Laura: This is what it is: Opening, you know, you see the Warner Brothers thing, the camera pans down onto the street as Dumbledore and Harry walk up to go find Slughorn. They're going to have to cut things out.
Eric: We know that's going to happen, because...
Mikey: And we know that's kind of a bummer, but, obviously I don't know anything about the movie, so it's not like that's what is going to happen in the movie, but it's like, that's - you know, basically, if the Dursleys aren't going to be there, what's the next logical step? And it's going to go straight to Slughorn. And actually, it might even go to the interior of the house, because, you know, the last ones kind of started out kind of dark, so it might be the house with blood on it, and then it pulls out and there's Harry and Dumbledore on the step going in going, "Oh my gosh, what happened?" And then they find Slughorn, you know what I mean?
Eric: Do you think he'll be turned into a couch, and then Dumbledore will prod the couch, and then the couch being like, "Ouch!" [laughs]
Mikey: That'd be kind of cool, I hope so. I actually - I'm a little sad they're not going to do the scene. Like Micah said, it's one of my favorites just because...
Eric: I am too, it's such a great - and I think what it is too is that it's a big distinction between book Dumbledore and movie Dumbledore, obviously. You know, if you read the books and you get this really great sense of how J.K. Rowling writes Dumbledore in the books, and it's a really great scene with him taunting, sort of trespassing on their hospitality, as Dumbledore himself says.
Mikey: Exactly, and the best part is he says, like, he offers them drinks, and what do they do with the drinks? The drinks just keep hitting their heads.
Mikey: It's like, I would love to see that!
Eric: And they won't accept it, you know?
Mikey: That'd be ridiculous, just to see these - I can see how it doesn't really add anything to the movie or the story, but like it shows you a little bit more of Dumbledore's character. Like, "Yes I'm going to pour drinks for everyone," and then the Dursleys are just so frightened and refuse to touch anything magical that's just hitting their head, you know, juice or whatever spilling out and hitting them, and they're just like, "Will you stop this!?" You know, Vernon getting upset with the big old vein and all that.
Eric: I'm disappointed with how little the Dursleys are in the films. It's not a big concern of mine, but I really like seeing it done, I really like the actors doing it, and you can kind of tell that they kind of enjoy doing it. But obviously Richard Griffiths is getting - I don't want to say, well, he's very concerned. He - in this article that we have, he says he asked J.K. Rowling to write a bigger part for Vernon. That seems like - that seems quite interesting. You'd say, "could you write me a bigger part for the movie," and she said no, and rightfully so. I think that the Dursleys have always served a particularly significant - a certain function. They serve a purpose in the books and then they're gone, that's it, you know? But there's always been the sense of returning to Privet Drive and it seems so upsetting to me. It just upsets me a lot that the Dursleys aren't even going to be in Half-Blood Prince.
Laura: Yeah, but I mean...
Eric: It's another opportunity missed.
Laura: Honestly, thinking about it though, I mean, just thinking about the way Mikey described it, there were a couple of important things that happened in the Dursley scene, like Harry noticing Dumbledore's hand, but that's all stuff that they can do like as they're walking down the road or whatever. Like, "Oh, Professor, what happened to your hand?" and, you know?
Mikey: And he's like, "Not now, Harry," you know, it's like one of those brush off things.
Mikey: You know, like again, the Dursley scene - everything important that happens there we can live without, because we can pick it up again.
Micah: Yeah, you're right.
Mikey: The only - and I'm thinking about it again, I haven't read the book in a while - the only important thing is the hand, and he says, "Not now, Harry." And again, if it starts on the street or starts in the house, that could be picked up right away, you know, where even if Harry doesn't notice, maybe Slughorn notices it in the house and, "Dumbledore, what happened to your hand?" and he's like, "Had a little run in with Voldemort," you know? There's so many like, little things.
Mikey: Like again, the screenwriter is re-writing a book that we've memorized, in a sense, so we know what's supposed to happen and a screenwriter is taking their liberties and they're not really necessarily - I'm sure all the screenwriters have read the book. You know, we know some actors haven't - Michael Gambon - but it's one of those things that they also have to look more at the movies, because this is a movie version so they have to make sure that everything in the movie is kind of - kind of continues the story from the movie standpoint, not necessarily the book standpoint.
Eric: If you guys remember, Goblet of Fire obviously begins with the murder of Frank Bryce, but then Harry wakes up and he's at the Burrow and immediately they're on, I think, it's on Stoatshead Hill. They're on the hill where they meet Cedric Diggory right in the very beginning of Movie 4 after Harry wakes up that morning. It's just in a few quick scenes they're already being transported to the Quidditch World Cup.
Micah: Yeah, I mean that...
Laura: No, no, no, that's like eight chapters in, too.
Micah: The beginning of that movie went very quick.
Mikey: Yeah, that's like a hundred pages. It's a hundred pages worth of Quidditch.
Eric: That's easily a hundred pages.
Mikey: And it's done in like, five minutes. It's like, done in five minutes.
Eric: And that was when the twins were - they blew up the fire place in the Dursleys. There was - the Dursleys have a pretty big scene in Book 4, which was completely gone from the movie. So, it's possible to do it without. It's just, you know...
Micah: One could argue that the other thing that's missed in this whole thing is the relationship that exists between Dumbledore and Petunia, or Petunia and the wizarding world, and, you know, Dumbledore kind of takes a swipe at them when he makes that comment about Dudley, saying something along the lines of that they neglected in their raising of him, how he turned out. I forget the exact quote, but...
Laura: Yeah, he said they'd done more damage to Dudley in the way they that raised him.
Eric: Yeah, that's quite interesting. You're right. The relationship between Dumbledore and Petunia, or particularly any reference to Harry's parents - any kind of thing like that seems to be absent from the movie. Except for Aunt Marge in Movie 3 - that was kept in, a little bit about bad parentage sort of thing. But it's just something that - I think what it is, is that you're in this film with all these British actors and they're so good at what they do, and even things like watching David Bradley is fun to do, so you always want parts for it and it's just the time of the film overall won't permit all of this. It won't permit you do to do everything you want to do with these great actors.
Micah: I agree with you, but at the same time, I mean there's so much that's probably able to be cut from this film in particular that leaving something like that in - I think - you could probably do. So, I'm just a little disappointed.
Laura: Right. Now, we probably need to move onto the next piece here. Actually, there was a new - and it's not really a new interview - but it just came out with J.K. Rowling by the Spanish publication XLSemanal, and she actually talked about Cornelius Fudge, and she likened him to English Prime Minister, Neville Chamberlain [pronounces it Chamber-layn]. She actually...
Eric: Chamberlain [pronounces it Chamber-lin].
Laura: Chamberlain [pronounces it Chamber-lin]. The quote is actually, "My model of the world after Voldemort's return was, directly, the government of Neville Chamberlain in Great Britain after the Second World War, when he tried to minimize the menace of the Nazi regime for political convenience." And this is pretty interesting considering some of the ties to our Nazi World War II parallels we brought up with Deathly Hallows. What do you guys think?
Eric: I think it's interesting. I think not having grown up in that time, or not being familiar with that era of British history, I can still say that's really cool. I can still say it's cool that J.K. Rowling had someone in mind. And we knew that she kind of did when writing a satire, political satire, as she has done, taking some things satirically in government. It's good to know specifically though, what she was thinking about and I'm interested now to read up a little bit of history and figure out what kind of guy he was.
Micah: Well, basically, he was a guy that just had a policy of appeasement towards Hitler.
Laura: Yep. [laughs] Pretty much.
Micah: I mean, he turned a blind eye to Hitler in order to advance his own political career, which, if you think about it, sounds a lot like Fudge, you know, turning a blind eye to Voldemort and...
Eric: Hoping he would go away?
Micah: ...hoping that the things that were starting to occur around him wouldn't fully materialize, and really acts out against Dumbledore, thinking that he's just out on a quest for power, but, in fact, Fudge - and I know I've said this episodes ago. I really hated Fudge when I was rereading Order of the Pheonix because I thought ways he was just as worse, if not more horrible, than Umbridge.
Laura: Oh yeah. I mean, essentially acting as an enabler. Really. Whether he meant to or not, you know? Just completely useless.
Eric: She spoofed that guy. Ha-ha.
[Eric and Laura laugh]
Laura: All right, well, Micah do you want to move us onto some announcements for this week?
Micah: Yes. [chuckles] Just a reminder to vote for us on Podcast Alley. We are in the new month of February, and we are currently number six over at Podcast Alley, so just remember to go ahead and vote. And I think that's the only announcement, right?
Mikey: Well, Andrew sent me and Eric the e-mail, but I think he left you a statement - "Andrew's Statement to the Fans." I think you need to read that, Micah.
Micah: Do I really have to is the question. [laughs]
Laura: Uh, yes...
Laura: You need to read it.
Eric: Let's just pretend it doesn't exist.
Laura: No, no, read it.
Mikey: Guys, come on. Andrew took all this time to write up a nice statement to the fans...
Laura: I have to say, it's like New York Times Bestseller worthy.
Micah: Oh, really?
Laura: This is the best writing I have ever seen.
Micah: I guess I have to read it.
Mikey: Have you read it all the way through? Have you read it all the way through?
Micah: I haven't yet.
Mikey: It's pretty...
Laura: It's massive. Oh my goodness.
Mikey: I was like, "Wow." Okay, Micah, you do the honors. Please?
Micah: "Dear Loyal Listeners, I regret to inform you my poor puppy dog is suffering from a severe case of kitty cooties. It happened whilst I walked my dog through the local PetSmart just about ten minutes from my home. I'm only at his bedside for the next few days and will be back on the show next week. Back and better than ever. Actually, you'll hear me in a little bit when I conclude my interview with Freddie Highmore. Laura, Micah, Eric, and Mikey smell." That's nice. "Moreover, I just lied to you all. I have no dog. There's no such thing as kitty cooties, and there isn't a PetSmart ten minutes from my home. I still stand by the fact that Laura, Micah, Eric and Mickey all smell. Matt and I will see you next week, lovers."
Mikey: Wow! Andrew Sims.
Laura: Wow! My life is so impacted.
Mikey: My life is now complete. No Spielberg doing seventh movie? I am happy now. I'm happy without a sixth movie now.
Laura: I have to go out of my way to say that Laura doesn't smell.
Mikey: Neither do I.
Laura: Laura actually wears a very nice perfume, and actually, it's pretty cool, because when you pick it up the bottle purrs. Listen.
[Perfume bottle purrs]
Micah: Do you shower, or do you just put on perfume?
Eric: Oh, wait. You have a purring bottle of perfume?
Laura: Yeah, listen. Here, listen.
[Perfume bottle purrs]
Laura: Isn't that awesome?
Eric: Do it again! Do it again!
Laura: No, they have already heard it twice, but yeah, I do shower too - daily actually, Micah.
Micah: Well, that's good. That's good.
Laura: I know that must be a shock.
Micah: I was just wondering why...
Mikey: I do too. I shower daily too.
Micah: ...Matt got thrown in there.
Mikey: That's why I don't smell.
Eric: Well, what exactly was Andrew - so, Andrew was walking Matt, right?
Mikey: I know he is his puppy dog.
Eric: And they were at PetSmart? Or was Matt? Matt was walking - I'm confused here, 'cause Andrew was walking his puppy or...
Laura: Are you saying Matt is Andrew's puppy? Is that what you are saying?
Eric: What? Is he not?
Mikey: Oh, no, no.
Mikey: Lets move on.
Laura: Okay. Apologies, Andrew.
Mikey: Let's go to Muggle Mail.
Micah: Muggle Mail!
Eric: Matt was walking Andrew and...
Mikey: Muggle Mail! Muggle Mail. Let's go.
Laura: Yeah, take it off, Micah.
Mikey: You guys can stay back there. Micah and I are going to Muggle Mail.
Micah: Yeah. Okay. I'll take the first one. This is about the chapter title I guess you guys were discussing last week, and this person stresses that it's not the Muggleborn Registration Commission, it's the Muggleborn Registration Committee. Come on, guys! What were you thinking!
Micah: God forbid you say the wrong word every once in a while. I mean there's not people out there listening to every word that we say. All right. But anyway...
Mikey: I apologize for everything I ever said.
Micah: You better apologize.
Micah: I really don't care if you apologize.
Mikey: [whispers] I do.
Micah: "Do you think that Mad-Eye's eye could see through walls etc., when it was in the door? I would assume so, because it worked with Imposter Moody, but if the door is an inanimate object..." I think these are all points that this person is trying to make.
Laura: Yeah, I think that was the reason it was there. I was almost under the impression that it was being used like it was a peep hole.
Eric: In fact, there was a telescope type thing attached to it on the other side of the door...
Eric: ...which Harry specifically had to pull off and get the eye out of. So...
Micah: Right. Yeah, and in this chapter that we're about to discuss in a few minutes, he even references it. He says that's how they knew that there were intruders was from the eye.
Eric: Well, the eye was missing.
Mikey: Yeah. But again, that still brings up question. Where did Mad-Eye get this magical eye that no one else can recreate? You know what I mean? I mean if it can see through walls, then why didn't everyone just replace their eye with like a magical eye, you know what I mean?
Eric: Yeah, it seems like everybody wants one. You know, it would be like the Tickle-Me-Elmo of the wizarding world.
Laura: Oh, geez.
Micah: He was powerful. Maybe be created it himself. You never know.
Laura: Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Mikey: Yeah, maybe.
Micah: All right. Next point: "Mikey I love your theory about rain cloud frizbees."
Mikey: That would be kind of cool, right? I don't know. L-O-L.
Micah: And this all, by the way, is all coming from Esther, 15, in Jerusalem. So thank you, Esther, for sending in all these points. The next thing she says: "The picture is Grindelwald and Dumbledore. When Harry sees the thief through Voldemort's mind, he realizes later that it was in the picture in the book about Dumbledore."
Laura: Did we not...
Eric: We were confused. We thought it was like Dumbledore's brother or something.
Mikey: The picture on the cover of the book. We didn't know who it was at the time.
Eric: Yeah. It was just a teenage boy. And it wasn't introduced, but later on it's revealed to be Grindelwald.
Micah: Next point: "Pius Thicknesse was under the Imperius Curse by Yaxley. The Imperius curse doesn't allow people to read minds, and even if it did, Voldemort wasn't the one who had cast the curse on Thicknesse."
Eric: That was the conclusion we reached.
Eric: So, that's all good.
Micah: Okay. And then: "Like Eric said, the locket probably did have an effect on Umbridge. She was just so much in her element being evil that the locket enhanced her evilness." And she thinks that Jo said something about that as well.
Mikey: Yep. That's what Eric said.
Eric: So the last point...
Micah: Why don't you handle that, because I wasn't here for that Make The Connection.
Eric: Okay, so the last point here is the Make he Connection for Andrew, re: furry hat. She says, "What about Crabbe or Goyle's furry hat in Movie 3 in the Shrieking Shack scene, the one where Harry cries." Or tries to - the one where Harry throws snow - oh, yeah, the one where Harry cries. Okay, he does cry. "What about Crabbe and Goyle's furry hat in Movie 3, the Shrieking Shack scene?" I completely forgot about that, but that's probably true. Didn't he have like a sort of hunting, moleskin, sort of beaver hat?
Laura: Yeah, he did. Yeah.
Mikey: Yeah, but I think they all had kind of like a furry type of hat still. Like, I know Malfoy's wasn't - no, Malfoy didn't have a hat. Someone had a hat that had earflaps and it wasn't necessarily a furry animal on the outside, but it was all furry on the inside like sheep's - like wool or something. They were all furry at some point. Plus, you know, also the Book of Monsters is also furry. You know, lots of different things are furry in the movies and the books.
Eric: But you don't wear that on your head.
Mikey: Neville kind of wore it on him at one point.
Eric: Neville kind of... [laughs]
Mikey: Neville wore the book at one point because it was eating him, but, you know, beyond that.
Eric: That was awesome.
Laura: All right, is that it?
Mikey: That's the end of the end of the e-mail from Esther.
Eric: Oh and Esther, and she signs, "Gold, quacks and pickles."
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