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Micah: Because it's looking more and more like the final film will be split in two, this is MuggleCast Episode 132 for February 17th, 2008.

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Andrew: All right. Well, this week I have good news and I have bad news. The bad news is I am too awesome for this show. The good news is Matt and Micah are here.

Matt: That's right.

Micah: I don't really get that.

Andrew: What? What do you mean?

Micah: What you just said.

Andrew: What?

Micah: Why is the bad news that you're too awesome for the show?

Andrew: Ummm...

Micah: Are you leaving?

Andrew: What?

Matt: Are you, really?

Micah: You've become too awesome that you are leaving the show and that's the bad news?

Andrew: Well, I considered it last week, and my letter was actually big lie, as everyone found out. But I was actually considering leaving the show because I really am too [laughs] awesome for this show. But speaking of this week's show, we have a lot to discuss this week. Some interesting new developments in the news, and of course Chapter-by-Chapter. And we are going to introduce two new segments this week that are spinoffs of segments we've been doing for awhile, but it's time to put a new twist on them. A new twist. A new, fun twist. I'm Andrew Sims.

Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: And I'm Matthew Britton.

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Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week's top Harry Potter news stories. Hey, Micah.

Micah: All right. Thanks, Andrew. The 50th annual Grammy Awards were held last Sunday night, where it was announced that Jim Dale, the narrator of the U.S. Potter audiobooks, received a Grammy for his reading of Deathly Hallows. Jim also won back in 2000 for Goblet of Fire.

The Daily Telegraph has a new article focusing on the continuing rumors of the final Potter film being split into two parts. When these rumors started one month ago, all we heard from Warner Brothers was a big, "No decision has been made." Now we hear from the film's producers; from David Barron, he says: "We are still discussing it. The announcement will be made hopefully in the not-too-distant future, with regards to the way seven shapes up. The only negative of splitting the book into two films," says Barron, "is that people could possibly perceive it as being one last chance at cashing in. But the real positive, if we were to do that, would be that we wouldn't have quite the battle we always have of, 'How do you compress all that book into just over two hours of screen time?'"

From David Heyman: "A couple of people have expressed interest," he says. "People have gotten a few calls and a few emails, but it's still a year away. We won't start filming until next February, so it hasn't really gone bananas yet. We've got thoughts, and I'm sure something will be announced in the not-too-distant future."

And you may remember last week we reported Steven Spielberg is one of the candidates being considered for Deathly Hallows. However, at the BAFTA awards, Digital Spy reported, Dan Radcliffe told the press these rumors are not true at all. He said: "I have no idea how that rumor started or where it came from. It's not true. How's that for a definitive answer? It's absolute rubbish that Spielberg is directing the final film. It's not true. There's absolutely no foundation in that at all."

Currently, there isn't any word on other directors being considered, but we expect an announcement in the coming months.

In a new interview with MTV Clemence Poesy revealed that her character has been cut from Half-Blood Prince. She also told MTV that she hasn't read the final three books.

Author J.K. Rowling was presented by the Literary and Historical Society of UCD in Dublin with the James Joyce Award this week. Over six hundred fans turned out to see the author read from Deathly Hallows and answer ten questions.

Finally, in a new interview Jason Isaacs, the actor who portrays Lucius Malfoy, discussed his absence in Half-Blood Prince. At the recent BAFTAs, he told Rotten Tomatoes that it was "a source of great embitterment in the Isaacs household, but he's in Azkaban so what can you do?" However, he has high hopes for the last installment.

That's all the news for this February 17, 2008 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Matt's in Andrew's Basement

Andrew: All right, thank you. Micah Tan, the MuggleCast anchor newsman.

Micah: That was interesting.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: There was a lot of news this week. I mean, a lot. I mean...

Andrew: There is. My roller coaster theory, man. I'm telling you, it's one week you got [makes noise] nothing. And the next week it's, wooo!

Micah: I mean, some weeks it's so bad you have to throw the news to yourself. And then thank yourself after it's over with.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Ouch. [laughs]

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: I think that's because nobody wants to intro you. It's actually kind of weird, because - not to change the subject at all, but Matt's actually at my house this week and he's recording in my basement. And I can hear a slight echo every time he talks, because everything in the basement can be heard throughout the entire house. [laughs]

Matt: Is that true?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Helloooo!

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, I can hear that. My parents are probably like, "What the..." Anyway, let's go to the news. Micah, what do you think the biggest news story was this week?

News Dicussion: No Clemence Poesy

Micah: The biggest news story? Hmmm.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Oooh.

Andrew: I would say, personally, the one that hurt the most is there's no Clemence Poesy in Half-Blood Prince.

Andrew: Now, why did that hurt?

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Micah: Well, you know? Ummm...

Andrew: Does it have to do with the popular phrase, "sex sells?"

Micah: [laughs] Maybe. Perhaps. But...

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: She's French.

News Discussion: Deathly Hallows Split?

Micah: She is. But we'll get to that. I thought the biggest news was David Heyman's comments. Or was it...

Andrew: Yes.

Micah: ...a mixture of him and - what was the guy's name? I apologize, I'm blanking.

Andrew: David Barron.

Matt: David Barron.

Micah: David Barron, yeah. Talking about...

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: ...Deathly Hallows. And, finally, we get to hear a little bit about if this movie is going to be split or not.

Andrew: Yeah, and it's really interesting because there are a couple of questions that this article itself raises. But this is really exciting to hear from the producers themselves, because just a few weeks ago, we got an official word from Warner Brothers via some website. It was, you know, "no decision has been made yet." But now, here's David Barron and David Heyman, the producers, the people who have a very large influence in this decision, speaking out about this. What gets me about David Barron's quote, or what gets me about David Barron, what he said, was: I quote from News.Com.Au, "The only negative of splitting the book into two films," says Barron, "is that people could possibly perceive it as being one last chance at cashing in. But the real positive, if we were to do that, would be that we wouldn't have quite the battle we always have of 'How do you compress all that book into just over two hours of screen time?'"

Matt: Yes.

Micah: Was he listening to our show a couple weeks ago? It sounds like he might have been.

Andrew: I think he was.

Matt: He has to. I mean, where else can they get that stuff from?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: I don't know. We come up with innovative and thought provoking discussion here. But their only problem with this is that people think - they don't want people to think they're just cashing in. Because obviously, that is a real concern, a lot of skeptics may see it as that, right?

Micah: Absolutely, yeah.

Matt: Yeah, definitely.

Andrew: So, I just - I think this is a very, very, very, very, very good sign of what's to come from just David Barron.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean - and he's speaking like a true fan. They realize the concern is - the beauty of it would be that they would not have to cut the book down.

Matt: Well, the fact that he's already defensive about why if they choose to put it in two halves, just makes it even more certain. You know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: He says, "Well, that wouldn't be the case, so, guys, don't be too upset if we do it in two parts because [gasps] we just might."

Andrew: Right.

Micah: Yeah, and I think it gives it a whole lot of traction now, meaning that this is a real discussion that they've been having internally. It's not just some rumor that's been thrown out there if these guys are taking the time to actually address it, and the words that they used make it seem like they've been having a lot of talks about this.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: But the one thing that isn't addressed as far as splitting it into two is, could they actually do it in the way we talked about a couple weeks ago where they put in an intermission or something along those lines as opposed to, with what David Barron said, talking about cashing in. That gives me the impression that if they did split it, it would be two completely separate films.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I think that makes perfect sense. I mean, you know - and I agree with you, Micah, completely. That's definitely what the impression is.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And I've also gotten the impression that they actually want to split it. Because if you're going to invest the time in making this film longer by possibly - you're possibly doubling the length, that's going to double the production cost, so you will have to make more money off of this. I mean, it's not necessarily cashing in, but you need to still balance your profit versus your expenses.

Matt: Well, they already know they're going to get a big profit because it's going to be the final film of the series, so they're going to go all out for this one.

Andrew: Yeah, but it's not like...

Matt: So, I think it's just great, the fact that they're even talking about it, even if they're not going to split it into two movies, that they're even just considering talking and debating about whether it's cut into two parts just to show us how dedicated they are to making the final film the best.

Andrew: Well, here's my big question that I mentioned earlier. My question is: When did David Barron and David Heyman say this exactly? Was this two months ago? Was this a month ago? Was this last week? Because the impression betting man Andrew...

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: ...has received is that if he were a betting man, he would think that a decision has already been made, so I don't know if these quotes are very recent. I'm thinking these could be a little bit older, because David Heyman says, "A couple people have expressed interest. People have gotten a few calls and a few e-mails, but it's still a year away."

Matt: And if I was a betting man, I would bet on whatever you bet on because whenever you're a betting man...

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Well, that's just if I was a betting man.

Micah: Well, I would say probably at least this month they made those comments because when he says, "It's still a year away..."

Andrew: "It's still a year away." That's...

Micah: ...then his next quote starts off about them not starting filming until February.

Matt: It had to have been recently.

Andrew: But on the other hand, the script does not get written in February. It gets written, you know...

Micah: That's true. No, that's a true point.

Matt: But also the writers' strike may have delayed it.

Andrew: Although, wasn't it supposed to end - we're recording Tuesday - wasn't it supposed to end Monday? But...

Micah: I think it's over, isn't it? Am I wrong?

Andrew: They were about to reach something.

Matt: I don't know. I saw a website about - they had to vote or something like that yesterday...

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: ...which was Monday.

Andrew: Well, we'll see what comes out of this, but I think these are very reassuring signs. This is a very interesting article, probably one of the more interesting articles we've had to report in a few months because this is coming straight from the producers. Of course, when myself and a few other fan sites were on the set, we also asked them about the movie split, but we can't talk about it, so it's like, you know, I will say they didn't confirm anything officially, but this definitely seems like it's going to happen, if I were a betting man. I guess we'll move on to other news and we'll continue to follow that. I'm sure once the news breaks officially, we'll - oh, oh, the other thing that got me about that article was that they both said, in the exact same words, an announcement would be made, to quote both Heyman and Barron, in the "not too distant future." They both said the exact words, "not too distant future." So it seems like they already do have a decision made and they're all throwing around in their e-mails, and phone calls, and IMs, and text messages, and Facebook wall posts that it is in the not too distant future.

Matt: And they're probably told that's exactly what you should say when asked about it.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Maybe. But not too distant future means soon.

Matt: Yeah that's why it's called not too distant future.

Andrew: Right, but Heyman is sort of contradicting himself because he's like, only a few e-mails have been thrown around, and, you know, it's a huge decision, but, but, but an announcement in the not too distant future. So...

Micah: Well that quote should also confirm that they made the statement pretty recently, otherwise the not too distant future would be now.

Andrew: [laughs] Well, that's true, too. But the question is, Micah, what is the future?

Matt: The future is now.

Micah: Oh man. I think of The Year 2000 from Conan when you just said that.

Andrew: [sings] "In the year 2000, in the year 2000."

Micah: I've actually been there when they've done that. I forget who I saw do it. I think it was David Duchovny.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Andrew: That's awesome.

Micah: But anyway...

News Discussion: Jim Dale's Grammy

Andrew: Speaking of David Duchovny...

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: ...Jim Dale picked up a Grammy award for his reading of Deathly Hallows, which was fantastic!

Matt: That's awesome.

Andrew: He won back for Goblet of Fire, and he won again for Deathly Hallows.

Matt: How is that connected to David Duchovny?

Andrew: They both have the letter "D" in their name.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Nice one.

Andrew: What do you guys think? Impressed?

Matt: I'm happy for him.

Micah: Yeah.

Matt: I mean, he's got a good voice. He does the voice - doesn't he do the voice for the theatrical trailers for the Harry Potter movies too?

Andrew: [laughs] No.

Matt: Are you sure?

Andrew: Yes. Isn't there one guy who does the voice for every single movie trailer in the world?

Matt: Oh, no, no. Dude, I'm a film major, so I know these things.

Andrew: [laughs] [impersonates movie trailer guy] "It was a time of dance."

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: No, no. Jim Dale doesn't do the trailer voices.

Matt: Oh, I thought he did. Okay. Well, sorry.

Micah: The guy who does the trailer voices was on some of those commercials. You know which one I'm talking about?

Matt: The TV spots for the films?

Micah: No, no, no. That guy who does the movie voices, or the trailer voices, he's on...

Matt: You mean from that commercial - the Geico commercial?

Micah: The Geico. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure he's not the only one.

Matt: Yeah, that's the one. That's the most popular guy. Oh god, I forgot his name, too. But no, there's a group of people. Not one person could do all the trailers for the - that's insane, the guy would never get any sleep.

Andrew: Yeah. So, congrats to Jim Dale. That's a fantastic award and should encourage more people to buy the audio books, 'cause they are a great read.

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News Discussion: Steven Spielberg not Directing Deathly Hallows

Andrew: Let's see, other news here. Just one more little tidbit. I know there was a lot of discussion last week about Spielberg directing Deathly Hallows because of that quote from Richard Griffiths, but it turns out Dan Radcliffe told that it's absolute rubbish, folks. So...

Matt: Rubbish. He used British slang for it. It's got to be true.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. [imitating a British accent] "That's absolute rubbish."

Matt: It is rubbish, I can't believe people actually thought Steven Spielberg would actually direct them.

Andrew: Well, it does seem a tad unreal. I don't know. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if he was definitely under consideration. I guess...

Matt: I would be happy, though, if they got John Williams back. That would be a plus if Steven Spielberg directed it.

Andrew: Definitely.

Micah: Yeah. Well, and I don't know, this was kind of the question I had going back to last week. Why would you necessarily need Steven Spielberg for John Williams to make a return? You wouldn't, do you?

Matt: No, because Alfonso Cuaron did it too, but...

Micah: Does he only work with certain directors?

Matt: It seems like that, though. It kind of does. He seems to connect with people he's either worked before or are good friends with people he's worked before.

Micah: Oh, okay. I just didn't know.

Matt: I don't think he's done films for movies that he doesn't really know the director well. It's kind of - it does make sense because you really need to collaborate with the director and everything. You need a kind of a relationship somewhat.

Micah: Yeah.

Matt: And the guy's eighty, so...

Micah: I'm not sure that - my thoughts last week also were that I wasn't quite sure that Deathly Hallows needs Steven Spielberg. Not to sound arrogant...

Andrew: No.

Matt: No.

Micah: a way, but all these other directors have kind of found their own way with the Harry Potter movies and made them their own, and I think that even bringing back other directors that have worked on the other films, or perhaps some sort of collaborative effort between a bunch of them, might not be so bad.

Matt: I don't think so. A big budget director for Deathly Hallows that hasn't already directed the previous films, I think would be a bad idea.

Micah: Mhm.

Matt: Someone like Steven Spielberg, he's already an established director and he would definitely - I honestly think Steven Spielberg would make Deathly Hallows more of his movie rather than a Harry Potter film.

Micah: Right. That's a good point.

Andrew: Let's make a checklist. What do you need in a director to direct the final film? I think you need someone who has read the books, really enjoys the books, and can connect to the fans. So that's one thing. You need someone, I agree with Matt, who's directed the films before because you have to know - you have to know this cast and crew for this final movie because this is a very important.

Matt: Well, not just even direct this - a film before, but directed a film that's pretty relevant to the film that you're going to direct.

Andrew: Yeah, but you already have a selection of what, four directors to choose from to direct, so...

Matt: Definitely a director who's very familiar with Harry Potter because this book is a collaboration of all the previous six novels.

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: So it's - I think it's kind of overwhelming for a person just brought into the whole world. Combining seven novels together, you have to know all the knowledge for each one of those to actually get the seventh book to really stand out and make sense.

Micah: You got to have a director who's going to bring back Clemence Poesy.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Micah: I don't know what David Yates was thinking. David, we have to talk.

Andrew: Well, it wasn't David Yates.

Matt: Awww, geez.

Andrew: It could be Heyman.

Matt: Well, I really hope that they would at least just mention...

Micah: What about David Heyman? Would he ever consider directing? He's been there the whole...

Andrew: Has he ever directed?

Micah: No, no, I mean...

Andrew: Now that would be amazing. I would love if he were to direct, but I feel like he's probably got enough on his plate being the producer.

Matt: He's definitely - yeah. He has enough say in the films. He practically directs it himself, too.

Andrew: Yeah. He is the producer for a lot of films. The Giants of Grow coming out in 2008, The Occupants coming out in 2008, The History of Love coming out in 2009. Of course, Harry Potter in 2010, We're the Millers in 2009. So yeah, he's got a lot on his plate right now. I don't see anything where he was a director though.

Matt: He's probably not a director.

Andrew: He's just not, yeah.

Matt: [laughs] It's as simple as that.

News Discussion: Splitting the Film into Two

Andrew: Yep. You know, now that they're extending the film, if you're going to extend the film and turn it into two, put more extra care into it. I mean, this is really, really good news seeing that they're going to split it into two parts. Because they want to put extra time into it, which is fantastic, which shows that they care about the fans.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: And they don't care - they're not just doing it to cash in David Barron's words.

Matt: Oh, there's another checklist for you: Having the time to do two films.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Matt: Because...

Micah: It'll all be filmed at once, no?

Matt: Yeah...

Andrew: Right, but it's still going to take longer.

Matt: Yeah, exactly. Because a lot of directors that are experienced tend to take on more than one project at once.


Andrew: All right, I guess that's enough of that. Speaking of taking on two projects at once, we have a few announcements this week. We want to remind everyone that we are going to be at Portus 2008, that's It's a Harry Potter symposi-osi-osium at their Potter Podcast Polusa filled with pickles. We are going to be there with a few other podcasts, and it is going to be a night of podcasting and it's going to be a while lot of fun. It is going to be in Dallas, and it's going to be in July, and it's going to be awesome. So visit for more details, and you can also sign up and register for the conference, and we hope to see you there.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: I have something else to annouce. My life-long dream finally came true Friday night at Penn State in State College, Pennsylvania where I attended MuggleCast listener Vivian's 15th birthday party, and she had the Remus Lupins there, mainly Alex Carpenter and Toby Carlin, and while they were rehearsing before the show they were like - they were looking for another song to add to their set list, and Alex was like, "Hey, hey, Sims, you want to do your wizard rock song?" And I was like, "Do I?!?" So we rehearsed a couple times and I performed it, and now it's now on YouTube. It's featuring - it's got my awesome lyrics. I got Samantha Freidman, former MuggleCast transcriber, on backup lyrics, and then we got Alex on guitar and Toby on drums. It's fantastic! If you like my wizard rock single, go to and there's a link to YouTube video. Matt, what did you think of it? You were there live. DId you like it?

Matt: Oh yeah! Oh my god! It was was okay.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay. That's kind of mean, but okay.

Matt: All right. It was great!

Andrew: All right. I'm getting a lot of good feedback on YouTube, on the YouTubes. Thanks to Jennifer Levine for filming that for me too. That was good too. So yeah, check that out. The link can be found at Gosh! I'll tell you what. It was so exciting. I loved it.

And one other thing. While I was with Alex this weekend, we don't have anything really set yet, but we've been talking about this spring tour that we're still trying to work out, but Alex Carpenter also brought up the idea of having another summer tour like we did this past summer, probably covering the West.

Matt: Yeah!

Andrew: Yeah, West Coast! So, I don't know if we're going to do it.

Micah: They can all stop complaining.

Andrew: What?

Micah: Stop complaining with the e-mails.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Hey!

Micah: Which I don't get, because you guys were out there last year.

Andrew: Right, but we didn't go too north. We didn't go very north.

Micah: Seattle?

Andrew: Seattle, right, yeah.

Matt: Yeah, go like to So Cal...

Andrew: We are actually, hmm?

Matt: ...up to Oregon and Washington and...

Andrew: And Canada, he wants to go up to Canada too, so...

Matt: Just a little bit, yeah.

Andrew: We'll see who we can get together to do this. It will be a lot of fun. We had an absolute blast on the last summer road tour. It was seriously the greatest time of my life. It was just so much fun meeting all those people and traveling the whole way. But, yeah so, that's still very early on in the planning stages. Again, don't get too excited yet. I am just letting everyone know, because all these people who are going around, "Oh, MuggleCast is dead!" Well no, we are still planning lots of live shows for you guys, so we'll update you in the coming months.

Micah: Yeah, and just on the Spring Break tour, we are still waiting to hear.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: [laughs] That's about the best update I have.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I'm sorry. I think as we mentioned before, we went one way and that didn't really work out, so we are trying some other things. We're going to have to put this together pretty quickly, but hopefully we can.

Andrew: Yeah, very quickly.

Matt: Ho ho!

Andrew: No really. It will have to quick because it will have to be less than a month, but if you are - well, let's say this: if you are planning on coming to this East Coast tour if we do it, hopefully - we're hoping - it will be a little over a month from now. Block those dates out - 15th through the 20th. Write "MuggleCast" in your calender.

Matt: Yeah. With a question mark.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: We'll see if it happens. We do know one thing - it will be free. And we do know another thing - it will be fun.

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