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Show Intro

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Andrew: Because I'm a potty mouth, get ready for some bleepage, this is MuggleCast Episode 134 for March 1, 2008.

[Show music continues to play]

Andrew: Hi, everyone. Welcome back to the program. I just wanted to start the show off this week with a few e-mails I got about last week's show. So let me kick it off here.

Jen, from New Jersey: "I just wanted to tell you that you accidentally dropped the F-bomb in Episode 133 at 59 minutes, 31 seconds. Just wanted to tell you so you can edit it out, or whatever."

Ima Clone, from Nashville: "At 59, 30 of Episode 133, you dropped an F-bomb. Not very family friendly, as you mentioned earlier in the episode."

Jessica B., 17 of Cobleskill, NY: "You said a very bad word during minute 59 and you missed it again. Woops, slipping up in your old age."

Nick B., 13 of Boston: "I can't believe you dropped an F-bomb on the show and didn't cut it out. Can you believe this was my mom's first show? Just kidding, but I thought I might point it out to you. Hahaha."

Emily, 18 of Lynchburg College, Virginia: "Just FYI, Andrew, you dropped an F-bomb that made it through editing at 59:31 on Episode 133. Just thought you should know. Not really concerned, but thought you might be."

From Matt: "Hey, Andrew, you accidentally forgot to edit yourself out saying" [beep] "around 50, 60 minutes into the show. It is not really noticeable, but I thought I would let you know."

Holien: "You totally said" [beep] "on air at 59 minutes, 31 seconds. Oopsies!"

I know! I said the F word! Sorry! Argh!

Matt: What's the...wait.

Laura: Now you know how I feel when you forget to edit me.

[Andrew sighs]

Matt: What's the word? The F...Is it "fecal matter"?

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Is it "frustrated"?

Andrew: Yes, Matt, whatever you say.

Matt: Oh, wait. It's [beep].

[Elysa and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: You said [beep] on the show, Andrew? You're not supposed to say [beep] on the show.

Laura: I can't [beep]-ing believe you [beep] said that, you [beep] moron.

Elysa: [series of beeps]

Andrew: Guys, seriously, seriously. Shut the [beep] up.

[Laura and Andrew laugh]

Andrew: Ummm....

Laura: Yeah, It's really great when you produce a quality show and the only e-mails you get are about one slip up.

Andrew: Seriously, it was 99%, "59 minutes, 30 seconds you said the F- Bomb." No, thanks, everyone, seriously, for e-mailing it in. I do appreciate it, though. [beep}

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I'm Andrew Sims.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Matt: [sings] "I am the walrus. CooCookachu! CooCookachu!" Matt Britton.

Elysa: And I'm Elysa Montford.

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Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is standing by in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week's top Harry Potter news stories. Hey, Micah.

Andrew-imitating-Micah: Thanks, Andrew. To the discouragement of many, J.K. Rowling updated her official site earlier this week with a new entry to the "Rumors" portion of her site. She lets everyone know that all the J.K. Rowling profiles on popular social networking sites are fake. To quote, "I like to imagine them partying with my imaginary friends in some bright and shining alternative universe."

And as most of you know, J.K. Rowling and Warner Brothers are currently in a legal battle with RDR Books concerning a Potter Encyclopedia by the Harry Potter Lexicon. J.K.R. and WB are fighting the publication of the book, and just the other day, Jo submitted her declaration. In it she makes several statements about the fandom as a whole. As the AP reports, Rowling said she was especially irked that the site's owner and the Lexicon's would-be publisher, RDR Books, continue to insist that her acceptance of free, fan-based websites justified the efforts. To quote J.K. Rowling, "I am deeply troubled by the portrayal of my efforts to protect and preserve the copyrights I have been granted on the Harry Potter books."

Apple's iTunes Music Store recently added movies to its lineup of offerings, and this week they added Order of the Phoenix to their directory. You are now able to rent it for thirty days for $3.99. Once you start playing the movie, you have twenty-four hours to finish it. Sorcerer's Stone through Goblet of Fire are also expected to be added to the store in the coming months.

And finally this week, happy birthday to Ron Weasley. J.K. Rowling updated her site with the news.

On a final note, Andrew Sims is awesome. That does it for this March 1, 2008 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

News Discussion: Lois Lowry's Slip-up

Andrew: All right, thank you, Micah. So, it was another slow news week. My roller coaster theory continues, as I tell everyone. I think really the only thing worth pointing out this week is that Lois Lowry updated her blog to apologize about her little slip-up. And this is really funny because she felt - and I felt bad reading this, and I knew she was going to feel bad as soon as she made that post. [laughs] She made an apology. She was flabbergasted at how the one little blurb on her site spread across the Internet, and that she also wrote to the film producer and she says, quote, "who was extremely gracious, more than I deserved, in her reply." What do you guys think? Isn't it amazing how she feels so guilty now? I feel bad for her.

Matt: Well, yeah.

Laura: Yeah, I mean, I guess you look - and The Giver is a great book. I mean, wonderful, but the circulation of The Giver is nowhere near the level of Harry Potter. So I guess she wasn't expecting that her blog was going to be as widely read as it ended up being.

Andrew: Yeah, right. All you need is one Harry Potter fan to be following that blog, and you're done for.

Laura: It's like the domino effect, seriously.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. So that was interesting. That's really the only thing that happened this week, and we're just still waiting for this announcement from Warner Brothers to be like, "Okay, movie's split in two and David Yates is the director." I mean it's out now.

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: So just tell us already before more people leak it. And like we have been saying, once that announcement is made we will be doing a live show to talk about the developments that Warner Brothers announces. Of course we've already sort of talked about them, but we'll hold off on any more discussion until our live show, which we're really excited to do, because we haven't done one in awhile. It will also be Matt's first, and Elysa, if you're around, you can be on.

Elysa: Excellent.

Andrew: Your first live show, interact with the fans.

Elysa: Sweet.

Andrew: The pickle lovers.

Matt: It's going to be my first time.

[Elysa laughs]

MuggleCast News Entries

Andrew: Your first time. Your first time. Speaking of news, last week we stared a contest with Micah to find a couple people to read the news for a week. We have the top five entries, Micah has picked out the top five entries, and we're going to play them for you right now, and then you will be able to vote in a poll, so let's take a listen to those five entries right now.

Entry 1 Audio: This is [unintelligible] reporting on this week's top Harry Potter news. J.K. Rowling updated her website to wish Ron Weasley a happy March 1st birthday. She also made a new post to her "Rumors" section to dispel the notion that any of the J.K. Rowling profiles on social networking websites, such as MySpace or Facebook, is actually her. In sporting news, the all girls Rosary High School in Fullerton, California now has a three team Quidditch league. Their teams, The Basilisks, Phoenixes, and They Who Must Not Be Named, have already met on the pitch, though there is no word on whether they plan to go toe-to-toe with their east coast Quidditch counterparts. Back to you in the studio.

Entry 2 Audio: This week's episode of the Harry Potter podcast welcomes a new host, MuggleNet FanFiction's Elysa Montford, who is also celebrating her 21st birthday. It's a six person panel and discusses the latest Deathly Hallows film developments, continues to analyze the Deathly Hallows book, and much more. Elysa Montford is in good company this week, as Weasley twins James and Oliver Phelps celebrated their 22nd birthday this past Monday, as well as actor Timothy Spall who turns 51 today. That's all the news for this February 27, 2008 submission to MuggleCast.

Entry 3 Audio: [Harry Potter theme in background] Daniel Radcliffe has gotten two of the top theater awards at the Theater Goer's Choice Awards for his West End debut in Equus. Radcliffe described playing the role of Alan Strang as "one of the greatest experiences of my life." Also, Happy Birthday to actor Timothy Spall who portrays Peter Pettigrew in Harry Potter films as he celebrates his 51st birthday today. My name is Thomas Lian and this was the Harry Potter news for February 27.

Entry 4 Audio: Hello, MuggleCasters, this is Becca Shistler reading your news. J.K. Rowling continues her crusade against caged children. According to a report by The Sun, J.K. Rowling is teaming up with Gordon Brown and his wife Sarah to stop instances of caging children in Romania. Gordon Brown will meet with Calin Popescu-Tariceanu while Jo Rowling will meet with Sarah Brown in an attempt to better the situation. Jo is very passionate about this cause.

Entry 5 Audio: All right, thanks, Andrew. Rupert Grint who plays Ron Weasley in the Potter films has recently shaved his head. Producer David Heyman comments, "Well, it certainly was a shock, and although he still looks as hot, as the fangirls would say, as ever, we're not sure if we can have a Ron Weasley without red hair." And one final announcement: I'd like to wish Emerson Spartz a very Happy 21st Birthday. We all love him very much. That's all the news for this February 26th, 2008. Back to the show.

Andrew: Okay, so visit for a poll on the right side of the page, and you'll be able to vote for your favorite entry. I hope everyone took a lot of time considering everyone, giving everyone a fair chance, and vote for your favorite news anchor to replace Micah for a week, and then I think we're going to two people; one person one week and then one the next, so...that should be fun.

Matt: Yeah. I'm excited.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: [laughs] Heyho!

Announcement: Vote for us on Podcast Alley

Andrew: Heyho! Hey, Matt, it's a new month, it's March now. Do you know what that means?

Matt: I know it is. March Madness?

Andrew: Yeah. For all the Harry Potter fans, what does that mean?

Laura: March Madness?

Matt: I don't know. Oh, Oh! I don't know.

Andrew: [laughs] It is a new month, which means vote for us on Podcast Alley. As everyone should know, Podcast Alley is a big directory of podcasts, and they have a top ten list, and you guys get us up there on the top ten by voting once a month. It's simple. You just put in your e-mail address, you press vote, then you get an e-mail from Podcast Alley, they say "verify your vote," you verify it, and you're done. And the reason...

Matt: That's awesome.

Andrew: ...we like asking you all to vote is because we like to stay high up on that list, so people looking to find out more about podcasts, check out some new ones, or like if a reporter is doing a story on podcasting, and they go to that site and find out more. And see that MuggleCast is one of the top shows.

Matt: Well actually, Andrew Sims, where are we located on the Podcast Alley? Where are we ranked on the top ten for February?

Andrew: I don't know, Matt Britton. Do you have the list up? I'm loading it right now.

Matt: I actually do. It is actually number four.

Andrew: Oooo. That's pretty good.

Matt: Under Keith and the Girl and Nobody Likes Onions.

Andrew: And Blast to the Right...

Laura: Oh.

Andrew: ...which I think is a political - yeah it's a political podcast. I guess Laura and Elysa would like that. Kick right-wing butt? Yeah, that sounds like something...

Laura: Yeah, I'd be all over that.

Elysa: Yeah.

Andrew: You should join up.

Matt: [sings] Everyone to the left, to the left, everything you own in the box to the left.

Andrew: Okay.

Laura: Okay.

Andrew: Umm...

[Elysa laughs]

Announcement: Plans for Boston and Baltimore

Andrew: Spring tour! We announced this a couple weeks ago, a few weeks ago. Probably a month ago now at this point. And we said we were working on it, so you guys knew. And it turns out... [blows raspberry] ...not happening. We tried to get a couple book chains on with us, and neither of them want to do it right now because nothing is really happening in terms of Harry Potter.

Matt: Are we really not doing it?

Andrew: We're not doing the full five-stop tour.

Matt: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. However, we are looking into the possibility of doing just two stops. And we decided on Boston and Baltimore. Now keep in mind nothing's official, we are going to have to push the date back, but we are going to try to do these two stops and try to do a little weekend tour sometime in mid to late April. I think at this point that would be our best bet since we want to give people an ample amount of time to plan. So we're asking for anyone in the Boston and Baltimore area - we know you guys want to come, you've voted on the poll already. If you have any connections to anyone like a library or a bookstore that would be willing to host a podcast that would hold 400 to 500 people we're looking at, about, for each one of these. E-mail me; andrew at staff dot mugglenet dot com, and let me know, and if you hook us up with a good venue we'll buy you lunch or buy you dinner. Take you out - take you out to dinner. Dinner with the MuggleCasters.

Matt: How about a T-shirt?

Andrew: You pay for tip though. Yeah, sure. A T-shirt too.

[Elysa and Laura laugh]

Announcement: Team Effort

Andrew: And lastly, on the announcements today, we just wanted to take a moment. Sometimes, we like to make public service announcements here on the show. And now we're talking about something else. Right, Laura?

Laura: Mhm. Yeah, actually, Mason Dewitt, everyone's favorite GoDaddy guy, has started a Relay for Life team called Team Effort.

Matt: [imitating Mason's ad] Oh, yeah.

Laura: [laughs] For those of you who aren't aware, Relay for Life is run by the American Cancer Association to raise funds for cancer research and cure. Anyway, Mason's goal is to raise $5000 for his team. So I think we can put that link in the show notes, Andrew, I believe?

Andrew: Yeah. We're going to make a post on with a link to where you can donate.

Laura: Yeah, and, honestly, it's such a great cause and I mean I completely relate to not having tons and tons of money to throw at charitable causes. I myself put in ten dollars. I'm hoping to put in more as time goes on. I understand the perspective of being a poor college student, but really, the minimum donation that counts is five dollars. Every little bit helps, and cancer is something that affects so many people. I know that it runs rampant in my family, and there are several other people I know who have been personally affected by it, so...

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura:'s definitely something we need to be concerned about.

Andrew: I give Mason a lot of credit for this, because he has been really - he's really been pushing this with all of his friends. He's been getting his friends on Facebook to help spread the word, on blogs to spread the word, and he came to us, and he does - he puts in his time with the show doing ads for MuggleCast, and we really appreciate that, so we are more than happy to help him out with this, and a really great cause. And, you know, it's 100% safe. This is going straight to the American Cancer Association, so there's no doubts about where the money's going. It is all legit. Again, visit for a link, and thank you to everyone who donates. We all appreciate it a lot.

Muggle Mail: No One Cares About the Fans

Andrew: Let's move on to Muggle Mail. We have three e-mails this week.

Matt: Our first mail comes from Dan, age 15, from Michigan. Dan writes:

"I'm sorry, but I cannot resist e-mailing you guys now about the movies. You guys have been bugging me a lot lately on the podcast when you talk about the films. I'm really not trying to be mean, but here it goes. How naive are you? Do you honestly think that the makers of the films care at all about whether the fans like the films or not? They honestly don't care about splitting the seventh film into two. Of course it's about making money. Perhaps a couple people here or there might actually want to do it for the fans, but to get approval from Warner Brothers, it's just to make money guys. Additionally, does anyone actually like the movies? Well, obviously you guys do. They are really childish. They have stupid jokes and are made terribly, not only from a reader's standpoint but also from the view of someone looking for a good movie. Just putting my two cents."

That was from Dan.

Andrew: [laughs] I love how you like to add your own personality to these e-mails.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] It's funny. I agree with this guy. I think he makes a good point.

Matt: Naah.

Andrew: Well, let me say this. I mean he's right. The big wigs at Warner Brothers are ultimately making the decisions and, let's face it, what are they in it for?

Matt: Of course they are in it for money.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: But it's kind of an extreme to think that it's just all to make money. Because come on, guys, honestly, the people who have been working on this series for ten years, do you honestly think they don't put into account about the fans being happy about it?

Andrew: I think with the seventh movie they do care. And I think they care personally because it is the final one. This is their last chance to recreate one of the books, so I think that's why they want to put extra care in it, because once it's done, it's done forever. Chances are there won't ever be a Harry Potter remake, so, you know, I think they feel they have this project really close to their hearts, because imagine, like you said Matt, they have been working on it for ten years and now it's over.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: They want to make something special.

Matt: Well, they know they screwed us with the other films, too.

Andrew: Right. [laughs]

Laura: Well, I mean, do you really feel confident that they would never do a Harry Potter remake? They did a remake of Narnia.

Andrew: I would say in the next fifty years.

Matt: Fifty years. Wow!

Laura: It would be a while down the road, but there was originally Narnia movies make in the eighties.

Matt: Yeah, but that was from like the BBC.

Laura: Oh, was it? BBC? Really?

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I think Harry Potter's different because it's, you know, it's what it is. We've never seen anything like it before. That's the other problem, too. With a fandom this popular, with a series this popular, I just can't see it being remade. I don't know. It - maybe.

Matt: I'm sure it will be remade, but just not now.

Laura: Yeah, I mean, they could make tons of money off a remake. Seriously.

Andrew: Of course.

Laura: But what I'm curious about is that I don't remember when we ever explicitly said that Warner Brothers was doing this for the fans.

Matt: We didn't.

Andrew: Well, we sort of did, because David Barron said that's what the fans want. The fans want a movie and...

Laura: Well, I mean, it's a win-win. The fans want it and they're going to make more money off of it.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: So I don't really see what the debate is.

Andrew: True.

Matt: And it's kind of - I don't think it's naive for us to think that the makers of the film don't care if the fans like it or not.

Andrew: I completely disagree with that, sir, Dan, 15, of Michigan, and I'll debate you on that. That's disgusting. I mean the people who work on this crew are dedicated to the films. And I don't think Dan has ever seen a video interview with these guys. They're passionate about it.

Matt: He's only 15, Andrew.

Andrew: I know. Nah, we have to be nice. We're not trying to be mean. We're just playing around.

Muggle Mail: Tombstone Inscription

Laura: The next MuggleMail comes from Kara, 17, of Georgia. She writes:

"The meaning of "the last enemy to be destroyed is death," which comes from Corinthian 15:26 can be found in Revelation 20:14. The death in Hades was thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is the second death. When the new Heaven and Earth are created there won't be anymore death, and when anyone whose name is written in the Book of Life will forever be with God in the new Heaven and Earth. The Book of Life contains the names of everyone who put their trust in Jesus to forgive their sins and anyone who was too young when they died to understand that. Frankly, I thought it was strange that you could talk as extensively as you did about the quote on the tombstone and never, that I heard, mention this quote in Revelation."

Well, I'm not going to lie. I'm not well studied on the Bible. I know some basic - and I do know things about it. I am in a paradise study class right now. I'm not completely ignorant. But when I saw the quote in the book I - something clicked in my mind, and I realized it was biblical and I went and looked it up in the context in which it was presented. So I didn't think to go look anywhere else within it, and I'm sorry about that.

Andrew: You're so sweet.

Laura: Thanks. I'm assuming that Kara is well studied in this subject if she was writing in with it, but this can certainly be interpreted differently.

Matt: Well dang, how many deaths are there?

Laura: [laughs] Well, Matt...

[Elysa laughs]

Matt: The Lake of Fire? Were there stages, like in those cartoons when they fall down a building and they just keep hitting those little shutters one by one by one by one?

Elysa: Well, like Dante's Inferno, right?

Matt: Yeah.

Elysa: Dante's Inferno has a bunch of different levels of Hades and stuff like that.

Laura: Yeah. So that's definitely an interpretation...

Matt: I'm pretty...

Laura: ...of what that could mean, but - I don't know. I'm not sure that - I mean Jo definitely used a biblical quote, we know she's a religious person, but I'm not sure she was using it so literally.

Matt: Hades was in the Bible? I didn't know that.

Laura: Well, it was - I'll explain later.

Matt: Oh, okay. This is so exciting.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: What the hell? I forgot what I was going to say, but I don't think that Jo was literally trying to say that Lily and James weren't in the Lake of Fire? I don't know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Were they really religious, either?

Laura: Yeah, I mean we don't even know that, so...

Andrew: I agree.

Laura: I think it was meant to be more of a literary context.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Muggle Mail: Make the Music Connection

Elysa: Aaron, 15, from Washington says:

"Hey, MuggleCast, I was listening to a past episode where you played Make the Music Connection, and Andrew was talking about how he didn't know what Billy Joel's "Only the Good Die Young" was about. The song is about a Catholic girl who spends her life doing exactly what she's told. The narrator of the song is trying to convince her to have some fun because living a dull, unfulfilling life is just as bad as dying. Also, I found a really good place for "Yesterday." I was thinking that it could go in the last bit of "Order of the Phoenix" right after Dumbledore tells Harry the contents of the prophecy."

Andrew: Ah, that'd be good.

Elysa: Yeah, it would.

Matt: Hmm.

Andrew: We'll be playing more Make the Connections later today in the show. I'm really excited about that. A lot of people have been e-mailing in ideas and such, so thanks, everyone.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Keep doing that.

Elysa: I'm interested to see what you come up with this time, Andrew.

Andrew: Oooh.

Laura: Yeah, me too.

Matt: Anymore Hannah Montana?

Andrew: No! No Hannah Montana!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I'm saving that for the live show - for some show - for some music during the show.

Elysa: That was a big hit.

Andrew: What?

Matt: Yeah, it was.

Elysa: Everyone on the forums was all about it. They were saying, "Andrew likes Hannah Montana?"

Andrew: Oh, yeah. [laughs] It's like when I blew everyone away in England in the live show when I started playing Spice Girls on my iPhone.

Laura: Oh, yeah. I remember that.

[Everyone laughs]

'Shipping on the MuggleCast Forums

Laura: Oh, man, I've seen some interesting things on the forums lately. Have you guys been browsing it?

Andrew: No, I haven't, but for more visit!

Matt: Oh, yeah.

Laura: Please don't write fanfiction.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I'm just kidding!

Elysa: Laura! Laura, I'm hurt.

Laura: I'm just kidding. I just won't read it.

Elysa: You're breaking my heart.

Matt: Is it - is it really even fanfiction though? It sounds more like 'shipping than it is fanfiction.

Laura: Yeah, it's - it's all 'shipping, basically. They sit there and come up with random 'ships of all the hosts.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: And then they write stories about it.

Matt: Ugh.

Andrew: I like it.

Matt: It's complete 'ships.

[Everyone laughs]

Elysa: Good one.

Laura: Although, I have to say, I appreciated the one that had me getting Johnny Depp inebriated and then taking advantage of him.

Elysa: What?!

Matt: That's hot. Yeah.

Elysa: I didn't read that one.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Well - and it seems to be - there's this popular catchphrase that's going around how, I guess, there's a Lucky Charms thing with Jamie or something?

Elysa: Magically delicious.

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: Yes! Magically delicious.

Elysa: Magically delicious! Yeah.

Matt: That's kind of weird.

[Laura and Matt laugh]

Laura: Yeah.

Chapter-by-Chapter: Chapter 18, "The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore"

Andrew: All right, so we have some fun segments planned for today, but first we're going to get right into Chapter-by-Chapter. We're covering two more chapters this week.

Matt: Yes, we are.

Andrew: This week we are going to touch on Chapters 18 and 19, "The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore," and also "The Silver Doe." [sings] "A deer, a female deer."

Matt: [sings] A female deer. Yeah!

Andrew: Oh yeah!

Matt: [imitating Mason] Oh yeah, Andrew. Oh, yeah. A doe!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: What is going on this week? Okay! So Chapter 18, "The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore."

Matt: Who's Alice Dumbledore?

Andrew: Albus, I said.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Albus Dumbledore. In this chapter, quick, short summary: They get - Harry and Hermione get their hands on a copy of The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore. They learn about the man in the picture was Gellert Grindelwald, and Rita Skeeter reported in the book that Gellert - is that how you pronounce his name? I hope so.

Elysa: Yeah, that's how I've been saying it.

Laura: Well, yeah. It's German, so it might be somewhat different, but...

Angry at Rita Skeeter

Andrew: Gellert was very close to Albus Dumbledore for a time when they were young. And so we'll get right into it this week. Harry is very emo in the start of this chapter because of his wand and what was such a shame - and I was feeling for Harry because in the beginning, he makes the realization that that wand was what saved him from Voldemort because they both had the same cores.

Laura: So after Harry stops being emo about his wand breaking, Hermione comes over, and she has a copy of The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore. It has a note inside of it from Rita Skeeter and it says, "Dear Batty," to Bathilda, "thanks for the help. Here's a copy of the book. Hope you like it. You said everything even if you don't remember it. Rita." And I read that and I'm just like, "You are a big bitch."

Andrew: Yeah.

[Everyone gasps]

Elysa: Laura!

Andrew: What do you think Rita did to her?

Laura: Oh, I'm sure she put some kind of memory charm on her.

Elysa: Well, she admits that used Veritaserum, right?

Laura: Oh.

Andrew: Did she? Was that later in the book? I vaguely remember that.

Elysa: No, I'm almost positive. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it said somewhere...

Matt: I'm kind of with Elysa on this. I do kind of vaguely remember something like that.

Elysa: Oh, no wait! Actually, yes, she does. It's in the article itself. She says, "for the use of Veritaserum," or something, and reporting stuff. God only knows. I'm looking for it right now.

Andrew: Wow.

Matt: Okay. We'll just say Veritaserum for now.

Elysa: We'll just say I' m right. You know, whatever.

Andrew: Yeah, of course.

Matt: Why not?

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: You get one anyway.

Andrew: But yeah, I was happy that we had one last chance to get angry at Rita Skeeter before the series ended.

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Elysa: Oh! I found it!

Andrew: Okay.

Elysa: Okay, sorry. Page 355 in the American version, hardback, it says, "On one subject, however, Bathilda was well worth the effort I put into procuring Veritaserum, for she, and she alone, knows the full story of the best kept secret of Albus Dumbledore's life." So yeah, that was definitely at least part of how she got her answers.

Andrew: Hm. Yeah.

Matt: Oh, that's mean.

Andrew: Thank you for clearing that up, Elysa.

Elysa: [laughs] No problem!

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