MuggleCast 136 Transcript



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Andrew: Because we get one more movie this week, this is MuggleCast Live Episode 136 for March 13th, 2008. I should have said the intro earlier.

[Music continues]

Andrew: Thursday March 13th 2008. Good evening ladies and gentlemen, I am Andrew Sims and as everyone by now Warner Brothers has announced that Deathly Hallows will be split into two separate films. MuggleCast is coming at you live tonight for a special episode, and we're going to discuss all the announcements that have happened in the past few days. I am very pleased to tell you that we have here tonight the best team in Potter podcasting. We haven't tested these guys, and I will be very embarrassed if it doesn't work. Starting first with the lovely, heartwarming, Laura Thompson.

Laura: Hey everybody I'm really, really excited to be here to talk about this very, very exciting news.

Andrew: Second, MuggleCast news anchor, Micah Tannenbaum, is here.

Micah: Hey, I'm just happy to not be doing work.

Andrew: Micah, you've been so busy lately.

Micah: I have.

Andrew: I feel bad for you. Third, everyone's favorite Southern Californian co-host, but soon I will be taking over that position, Matthew Britton is here.

Matt: Hey everyone. I just drank about a 24 pack of Mountain Dew, and I am all set.

Andrew: That's fascinating.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Andrew: And fourth and finally this evening, the person I'm about to introduce will probably be bigger news than the movie split announcement. Ben Schoen has returned to the show!

Ben: Hi. I'm excited to be back, I haven't done this in a long time, so I'm sorry if I sound a bit rusty, but I'm sure I'll get back into things maybe, kind of, sort of. Don't know.

Andrew: Ben, where've you been?

Ben: Oh, you don't even know. You don't even want to know Andrew.

Andrew: [crying] Where've you been Ben? I've missed you.

Ben: Well I've heard the rumors. I've heard the rumors about “personal issues”, whatever those may be.

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Andrew: What could they be?

Ben: Just stuff. Just stuff, you know, just living the life.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Out doing my thing.

Andrew: Well it seems these days you only come back for the big announcements. Last time you were on the show Dumbledore was gay. I mean he still is, but...

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: ...you know.

Ben: Come on Andrew. It's not like that changes. Come on.

Andrew: It doesn't make any difference. Anyway, we're here live tonight. Coming up in the second hour of the show we are going to have a couple other people on the show. I don't want to spoil the surprise.

Ben: Andrew, it actually feels like I'm on a radio show right now. This is really weird.

Andrew: Why's that? Why's that?

Ben: Because I haven't done this since – I did it in October one time and then before that I hadn't done it since - like the live shows we did in June on the MuggleCast tour. And then before that I hadn't done it since like...

Andrew: Oh right.

Ben: ...February.

Andrew: Right.

Ben: So...

Andrew: I thought you were going to say, "Because it sounds so professional. Because you're playing music, Andrew. You're broadcasting to hundreds of people." No, it's not that?

Ben: No, but I would like to comment that you do sound pretty good at this.

Andrew: Oh thank you.

Ben: Like I can tell that you had a lot of practice...

Andrew: Thank you.

Ben: ...like a hundred thirty-six episodes worth of practice.

Andrew: [laughs] I also read that broadcasting book.

Ben: Oh, that Broadcasting For Dummies?

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: I remember that. One time in the early developments of this show and me and Andrew were arguing about something, and he - he was basically, "I read a broadcasting book Ben. You can't argue with me." But - yeah.

Andrew: Oh yeah - no. But you guys used to always make fun of me because you would think every time I said something insightful about broadcasting you guys would be like, "Oh you just got that from the book." [laughs]

Ben: I miss you guys though. The listeners and like Laura. I missed you a lot Laura just so you know.

Laura: Aw, I missed you too.

Ben: You're my favorite female MuggleCaster. I mean I still listen to the show on a daily basis. Like I just listen to the episodes...

Andrew: Daily?

Ben: ...over and over again.

Andrew: Oh really?

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: Here I was ...

Ben: I'm a huge MuggleCast fan. It was like half-an-hour from a host to a fan. I just love the show so much.

Andrew: Well that's [laughs] - 1,200 people listening right now. Twelve hundred people.

Ben: Really?

Laura: Oh my god.

Ben: 1,200? That's a lot of people.



Discussion: Two Separate Films


Andrew: That's a lot of people. I'm kind of nervous. No, Anyway let's get into it. Let's get into why everyone's listening tonight. Yesterday, the L.A. Times actually broke the story that Deathly Hallows is going to be split into two separate films. The first part, Deathly Hallows: Part I will be released November 2010. Part I...

Ben: Is that what they're going to call it though?

Andrew: Yes - yes, this is what they're going to call it.

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: Part Two May 2011. Well let's start with the names - let's start with the name. Well, first of all I have to - someone's like talking in the background. Is there a TV on in your room Ben? In Emerson's room?

[Prolonged silence]

Ben: Actually like...

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: There's two people in this room with me right now, and I'm actually in Emerson's dorm room here at Notre Dame...

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: ...and Emerson and his girlfriend are off in the corner whispering sweet nothings in each other's ears. So ...

Andrew: Aw. [laughs]

Ben: It's not my fault guys. And like I don't have a headset anymore because I retired from podcasting for a while, but now I...

[Ben starts breaking up]

Andrew: And you're breaking up.

Ben: ...environment.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: But yeah I'm sorry. Sorry about that.

Andrew: It's all right. So - okay so...

Ben: I'll try to turn them off. I'm sorry.

Andrew: Yeah, thank you. Tell them to get a room. Gosh!

Matt: Aren't they in a room though?

Ben: This is their room.

Andrew: Oh. That was the joke people. [laughs] All right, so what do you think about the names? Becausese we were speculating about this on - a few weeks ago like what would they call it? You think Part I and Part II is a good idea? I mean when I read it in print I thought, "Oh, that's not bad."

Laura: I think it makes the most sense honestly. I mean, what else would you call it?

Ben: Yeah exactly.

Andrew: Well, I don't know?

Matt: We cut the entire title in half. Harry Potter and the...

Andrew: Harry Potter and the...

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: I don't know maybe. I just thought that maybe if they were focusing each movie on like a certain plot maybe they would be like, Harry Potter Deathly Hallows...

Ben: They would bring a subtitle to it.

Andrew: Exactly - yes.

Matt: Yeah.

Ben: Well actually I think a subtitle would be better than just calling it Part I. I think maybe they will come up with a subtitle. Do you think that's a possibility?

Andrew: I would think so because I don't know if that's enough separation - Part I and Part II. I don't know.

Ben: Well I think - I think from a marketing perspective how - how great is that going to be - how well is that going to sell saying, "Go see Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part I." You know?

Andrew: Right. [laughs]

Ben: If they had some type of subtitle to it I think it would sell - it would sell a lot better, and people would like it a lot more I think.

Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum any thoughts on this?

Micah: Well, not really. I mean Part I, Part II, I could really care less. I'm just going to just go see the movie anyway.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: So...

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Movies Micah, movies.

Andrew: Movies. Yeah, good point.

Micah: Yeah movies. Or I can pull what I did with Order of the Phoenix and not see it until five months later.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Micah, you still do the news? Do you still do the news, Micah?

Andrew: Of course he still does the news.

Micah: I do.

Ben: Sorry - sorry, Andrew.

Andrew: Of course! Of course!

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Andrew: Another question that W.B.'s already getting a lot of - well critics are saying that they're just in this for the money. I have a feeling this is going to be speculation for months, probably years. Well obviously years because the movie doesn't come out for years.

Ben: Well, of course it's about the money. I mean, come on, why else would they make two films? I mean, I understand wanting to do the series justice and I really think David Haymen is a real Harry Potter fan in that he would want to do the series justice, but ultimately the reason it was approved from the top was because of the money. I mean...

Andrew: Of course.

Ben: You want to prolong it to make as much money as possible. I mean it's already - Andrew, you and I were talking about this the other day, and it's already the biggest grossing franchise ever...

Andrew: Right.

Ben: There's only five of the films out.

Andrew: Right, and - is it for the money? I mean, see, the thing is Heyman said in that L.A. Times article, "I swear to god, it's not for the money," which I thought was funny because it feels like they are expecting it, and when Heyman's already going, "I swear to god, it's not for money."

Matt: Well probably the money decision was probably just for the initial decision on making it into two parts. But I don't think the money part is really a decision for the entire film-making process.

Ben: Well, what do you mean, Matt?

Andrew: Yeah, what do you mean?

Matt: Well, basically - they probably thought and considered - I mean, they definitely put money as a consideration for the film. But, I mean, every single Harry Potter film always had the money, and in consideration, it wasn't just this film in particular.

Ben: I see.

Laura: Yeah, and what people also aren't considering when they say that W.B. is only in this for the money, making this such a big event is good publicity for them. So yeah, money is part of it, but so is publicity, and getting a good name for themselves, and putting out a movie that people are going to love.

Ben: Right, but what does publicity lead to?

Laura: Well money, of course, yeah.

Ben: Money.

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Laura: There's no doubt that money is an inherent cause behind doing this, but at the same time, I don't see what the big deal is because I'm a Harry Potter fan, almost everyone that I know is a Harry Potter fan, and we're all psyched that they're making two movies out of it, so why is everyone complaining? It doesn't matter...

Ben: Well, I don't think people are really complaining. I mean, there are just people saying that it's all about the money, but I've looked around, I've seen people writing on my wall on Facebook, and just - people's MSN names, people's Skypes, little Skype messages, you know - that you can put under your name or whatever, and everyone is stoked about this. Every Harry Potter fan loves this idea. Nobody really cares that it's about the money, it's just a few film critics or whatever who want to try to be critical about it...

Andrew: See, but...

Ben: ...everyone's looking to be critical.

Andrew: But it's not - there are people on the MuggleNet comments, there have been a few e-mails. I mean, you're right. They're like on Facebook and everyone's going "Ahh, I'm so excited!" I mean, how can you not be excited? But I think some people are worried that if they're in it for the money, if these people believe that they're in it for the money, then they believe that it won't be as good, because they're not really trying to do the books justice, they're just trying to do it for money. Do you see what I'm saying?

Ben: Oh, I see what you mean. I don't think money is really the motive behind it. I mean, it's such a long book, you know? It's a really long book...

Matt: Yeah.

Ben: ...the only thing like - the only reason I think why you can be critical of it is because they didn't do it for Order of the Phoenix. Order of the Phoenix was the longest book in the series, and I really don't quite understand Heyman's logic when he says, "Well, we can cut it out in these earlier films, but we can't cut it out now." I mean, it's all - J.K. Rowling said herself that she looks at all seven books as just one huge novel, and I don't know why the pieces in the seventh are any more important than the pieces in the fifth.

Micah: Yeah, and the reason why they're in this position is because they cut so much out of the previous films...

Laura: Exactly.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: They're kind of in this place because they can't afford not to make two films. You know, some of the people that are making comments though would be the same people that would complain if they decided not to cut it into two, and it turned out to be this two and a half hour movie that didn't, you know, follow the plot the way they thought it should. So you can't really have it both ways, in the sense that you're arguing it now that it's split into two because it's a financial thing. I don't really think it's a financial thing though either because guys like David Heyman are working on this, and they care about the series too, they care about the books and making sure that everything gets in there. This should also be seen as something where Warner Brothers actually cares about the fans, and are finally giving them what they want.

Matt: Mhm.

Ben: Yeah, I think we - I think we should just embrace it, rather than worry about, you know, if money's the motive because I think we are going to get two great quality films because Warner Brothers is going to allow no less, and J.K. Rowling is going to allow no less. So, regardless of whether or not it's about the money, it doesn't matter because they're going to be two good films, and it's giving the fans what they wanted all along. Like what Micah said.

Andrew: Exactly.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Now, Steve Kloves, screenwriter for all of the Potter films but Order, correct?

Laura and

Matt: Yeah.

Ben: Right.

Andrew: He sent an e-mail over to the Baltimore Sun, I believe it was, and said that they were actually seriously considering doing it for Goblet of Fire. And what's ironic is, just a couple episodes ago we were saying that was - that movie was one of the films that progressed the best, and included everything. Right Micah? I think you were the one raving about it...

Micah: Well, I said that they were able to take about the first hundred pages of the book and really roll it into five minutes from everything that happened in those opening scenes. I actually thought they did a really good job with it, compared to maybe something like Order of the Phoenix, where they were just all over the place, but yeah. I mean, really from Goblet of Fire onward you could make two films out of any of these books, I mean, even with Half-Blood Prince if you really wanted to. I mean, I was kind of surprised to see that for Goblet of Fire, though, because I thought that Mike Newell did a really good job.

Andrew: He did.

Ben: On the other hand, I do understand the necessity of why they would want to include the seventh book, all elements of the seventh book, because when Jo wrote it, she had to include absolutely everything that was pivotal to the series. You know what I mean? As she was writing the last book, each chapter was like the journey, Harry's journey. And I guess I understand why it would be difficult to cut that out. I mean, I know I was kind of saying the opposite a minute ago, but I guess I do see that now that I think about it more.

Andrew: Mhm. Yeah.

Micah: And Warner Brothers is on the hook. I mean, they have to include literally - well, I guess not literally - but close to everything now.

Andrew: Yeah, they do.

Micah: I mean, they're going to get so much you-know-what...

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: ...for leaving anything out at this point because now they have two films to incorporate as much as possible.

Andrew: Yeah. The bar has been raised so much higher now.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I just can't imagine how much more critical people are going to be. They're going to complain about the littlest sentence that is not included in these movies now. [laughs] Matt?

Matt: Well, with also another point to add for the money making strategy, a lot of people complain that the whole decision for making more money was basically separating it into two new films, but they're also making two full-length films which is going to spend the studio twice as much more money to make.

Ben: Right, but...

Matt: So they're going to have to find another way to get it all back.

Andrew: But how much does it hurt Warner Brothers? I mean...

Ben: Oh yeah. Come on!

Andrew: Look at...

Ben: It's Harry Potter. [laughs]

Matt: Yeah, well...

Andrew: How much did they make when they were named the top-grossing franchise of all time? It was in the billions, wasn't it?

Ben: Oh, definitely. Definitely in the billions.

Andrew: I'm sure someone's going to say in the chat in about two seconds. By the way, MuggleCast.com/Live - if you want to send in some feedback via e-mail, go there, send in your message and it will pop up on our computer screens and we'll read some of the better stuff. But anyway, I just think the bar is set really high at this point and I would be - I'm scared and [laughs] I think Warner Brothers should be scared.

Ben: Scared of what?

Andrew: The expectation thing. I mean, you know...

Matt: Of course.

Andrew: I think this is great. I really do believe that David Barron and David Heyman, the two producers, do firmly want to do the final film justice because it's the final book and this is it. This is do or die. If you make this last one bad, the series is going to be remembered as the series that was - eh, okay. It had good movies, but the most important one of all time [makes raspberry sound] flopped.

Ben: Well, see, when you think about it, though, they could actually make this one of the greatest things ever by splitting it into two films. But if they do it wrong, it could just go horribly wrong, you know? Horribly bad. You see what I'm saying?

Andrew: How?

Ben: Like, if they don't choose to split it in the right part. Does that make sense?

Andrew: Yes, that's true. We'll get to that in a second, but Matt, what were you saying?

Matt: Shoot, I don't know. I was listening to Ben.

Andrew: MuggleCast Live - no room for error.

Matt: Yeah.



Discussion: Where to Split the Movie?


Andrew: [laughs] Let's focus now on three questions Heyman brought up in the article. And you know what? Okay, I know he listens to the show now because he asked questions in the article in the L.A. Times and he didn't answer them. So he clearly wants us to answer them, so let's do it. Question one: Where should they make the split? Ben Schoen, where should they make the split?

Ben: Oh my gosh, Andrew! That's a difficult question.

Andrew: Your name is Ben Heyman and you and David Yates and Kloves, you're all sitting in that meeting going, "Where should we split it?" Where would you split it?

Ben: Well, I'm guessing somewhere midway through the book.

Andrew: [laughs] Well said! Well said.

Matt: I definitely see that, yeah. I agree with you, Ben. Definitely.

Andrew: Well, isn't it sort of obvious, though?

Ben: Well, if you want to be mean about it, Andrew.

Andrew: No, no! I'm not trying to be mean. I feel bad now.

Ben: Gosh! See, Andrew, this is why I didn't do MuggleCast for so long.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: I come on here and you just beat me down.

Andrew: [laughs] Whatever.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: No. Does anyone have any ideas for where to split it?

Matt: Well, we talked about this, Andrew.

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: In previous episodes.

Andrew: Okay, but now it's official so we have to be official.

Matt: And didn't we come to the conclusion is was when Harry said Voldemort's name, and then they were outside telling them to come out, that they were trapped at Malfoy Manor?

Laura: Right. Yeah.

Matt: And that was about midway in the chapter. I think that's the conclusion that we went to. Wasn't it, Laura?

Laura: Yeah. Basically, what happens is at the end of the Deathly Hallows chapter, which is right before "Malfoy Manor", Harry says it and they hear a dozen people outside the tent saying, "Come out with your hands up. We don't care who you are. We'll kill you if you try to do anything."

Matt: Exactly.

Laura: So I think that would be a great place to split it. Just imagine the first movie ending there.

Matt: Yeah. Because people are going to be so excited/upset, and they're just going to want to run back and see this Part II movie because you're leaving them at this cliffhanger. That's like the best thing to do when you want to split a movie in half is leave a cliffhanger for people who haven't read the book or haven't done anything, who don't know what's going to happen next to speculate.

Andrew: See, that's the thing, though. I mean, people will have already read - the majority of people will already have read the book. So is it really a cliffhanger? Are you really going to be on the edge of your seats for six months? Which we'll get to in a minute - the wait.

Matt: It's the closest cliffhanger you can get for half the book.

Ben: Well, what about - does anyone think that a - do you think doing one three-and-a-half hour movie would be better than doing two? I mean, I'm sure you guys discussed this before, but...

Matt: But will it be even - do you honestly think it will be a three-and-a-half hour movie? Because two movies...

Laura: I was going to -

Ben: No, no, no, no.

Matt: ...would be like an hour-and-a-half.

Ben: No, I know. I'm saying if they were to do just one three-and-a-half hour movie as opposed to two separate films, do you think that would be better than what they're doing now?

Matt: It's hard to say. I technically - if it would be like one three-and-a-half hour movie or two two-and-a-half hour movies, I would decide on two movies because then they would add more, keep more stuff in from the books.

Ben: Right, but I'm just saying - I've been thinking about how, what they were able to do with the past movies and how they were able to condense so much into two-and-a-half hours. If they were given an extra hour, why couldn't they do it justice? I don't know.

Matt: Well, do you think they put into account of how many people wish that they put more into the movie than the books, and they're putting that into more account after this last film? So that's probably - maybe why.

Andrew: I wonder if they have a rule about how long Warner Brothers will make a film. I mean, to memory, they haven't ever really split a film before in this way, so...

Micah: Well, didn't Steve Kloves say something about an extra hour-and-a-half to work with now when he did that interview with the Baltimore Sun?

Andrew: Sorry, say that again.

Micah: He said something about having an extra hour-and-a-half, at least, to work with now. So that kind of made me wonder the range of how long the films were going to be.

Andrew: He did say that? I didn't...

Matt: I didn't read that.

Micah: In the Baltimore Sun.

Matt: Really?

Micah: Yeah.

Matt: Huh. I might have missed it.

Micah: Let me bring it up here. One second.

Andrew: A few people writing in to the MuggleCast feedback. Cara from Parsippany, New Jersey: "It should" - in all caps - "It should be split where Xeno says: 'I have to tell you about the Deathly Hallows.'" That's not a bad idea.

Laura: No, that's not bad either.

Andrew: Going that it's the title.

Laura: The only reason I was thinking what we were talking about sounded really good is actually, it's not quite halfway through the book. It's actually over halfway. But at that point you start getting into all of the much more detailed scenes, like where they go to Gringotts and of course, the final battle. And I guess I felt like if they had more time with the second film to just work with the climax, they could really do it good justice instead of having to worry about a bunch of other information from earlier on in the book.

Ben: Andrew, just so you know, Shannon from New Jersey just wanted to let us know that they're also splitting The Hobbit in two.

Andrew: Oh, they are? Okay.

Ben: So there's another film like this.

Laura: Oh, that'll be good.

Micah: Copycats.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: No, I didn't know that. Matt, did you know that? You seemed like you...

Matt: Yeah, I did, actually. But they announced it before they decided to split The Deathly Hallows.

Andrew: Have they said anything? I know it's not Warner Brothers, but have they said anything like what they're going to - how long the two parts are going to be, etc. etc.?

[Prolonged silence]

Ben: Hello?

Matt: I don't know.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Sorry, sorry. I thought Skype had ended or something.

Andrew: There was an awkward silence. [laughs]

Matt: I didn't know that was directed to me. No, I don't really know. I have no idea.

Andrew: Oh, okay. All right.

Micah: Well, Andrew, I found who said that. It wasn't Steve, it was Alan Horn who's the President and COO of Warner Brothers.

Andrew: They have an extra hour...

Micah: It was in that L.A. Times article. He was the one who said that they'll have at least another hour-and-a-half to work with.

Andrew: All right, so look at Order of the Phoenix, two-and-a-half hours. Add an hour-and-a-half to that, that's four hours. So splitting each one into two hours at least - I think that's good.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: I think that's...

Laura: I think that would be great, yeah.



Discussion: The DVD(s)


Andrew: I think two-and-a-half hours would be perfect, though, because then you won't have too many people complaining because it is two films. Gosh, it feels like such a long time, though. Especially when it goes to DVD. That's another question. Let's jump into that real quick. Are they going to package it all together?

Ben: Well, I bet that - no, what I bet that they're going to do - actually, since they come out so far apart - how far apart do they come out again?

Andrew: Six months.

Ben: Six months apart. Since they're coming out six months apart, they'll probably - they're going to want to milk this for all it's worth. So they're going to release the first movie, then sometime in between there and the second movie, I bet they're going to release the DVD. Then after the second movie comes out, they're going to release the DVD for that. And then later on down the road, they're going to release them packaged together.

Andrew: Complete collection.

Laura: Yep. Christmas time.

Andrew: [laughs] Exactly!

[Laura laughs]

Micah: So you see, financial gain.

Andrew: Yeah, I mean, you know...

Laura: I think it's a win-win situation, honestly.

Micah: Yeah.

Matt: Mhm.

Ben: I think everybody wins, to be honest.

Andrew: Yeah, and that's what I was saying to who? I guess maybe Matt I was saying that, everyone does win. I mean, who loses here? Seriously. The crew? [laughs] Who have to work for it?

Ben: Maybe.

Laura: Our wallets.

Matt: People who don't have as much money to buy two DVDs?

Andrew: I guess. Everyone makes more money, MuggleCast will last an extra year. You know, everyone wins. Everyone wins.

Matt: But would that really make sense for them to release Part I and Part II separately, though?

Ben: Absolutely.

Laura: Yeah, I think they would.

Matt: Studios have been known to delay a DVD release for almost an entire year.

Laura: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I honestly like what Ben said about releasing them both separately and then around Christmas time releasing a box set. That makes the most sense to me.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Okay.

Andrew: And also, look at all the collector editions and things they have. I mean, we just posted on MuggleNet the other day that they're going to have the special Blu-ray books. And on top of this, Warner Brothers has a special Order of the Phoenix edition thing. You know, the timing isn't - if, say the first part was coming out in June, I would say "Yeah, definitely. They're definitely going to have Part I out for Christmas." But I don't know. The timing's interesting as well.

Ben: You know what I really wish they would do? I wish they would take the Lord of the Rings model and release an extended edition. You know what I mean? For like the previous films. They should have done this all along. They should have had - because that would please the purists. You know what I mean?

Matt: Yeah.

Ben: You could go to the theater, see the two hour movie, the two-and-a-half movie or whatever, and then when it came out on DVD, you have something to look forward to. You know what I mean? Like, "Oh my gosh! Oh my gosh!" Imagine how excited the fans around MuggleNet, the people listening to this podcast would be if when the DVD came out, it was like seeing a whole other - a whole different film with more scenes added to it, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah. And we also know from especially the first two films from the actors' and crew's interviews, that they have so many things that they shot that were taken out that were actually pretty good.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: But it was cut down for time. So we know at least Sorcerer's Stone and Chamber of Secrets have those scenes just lying around somewhere in the studio.

Andrew: Yeah. Teri from Wisconsin writing in live via the MuggleCast feedback form: "Movie 2 will be released in" - oh no, Part II, she means - "will be released in 2011. That's the 10-year anniversary of Movie 1. Time for an anniversary issue?" Yes. [laughs] Another edition to be released. Oh, it just...

Matt: God, it's been 10 years.

Laura: Oh my gosh! That's...

Matt: Just for the movies, not the books.

Laura: Oh! I feed old.

Andrew: Yeah. We're going to - it's going to be what? Thirteen years once the movies come out? Thirteen years since Sorcerer's Stone, or fourteen years?

Ben: Andrew, what I want to talk about it what this means for us.

Andrew: What does this mean for us, Ben? Personally, I planned on ending next year. Like, that's it. I'm throwing out my MuggleCast recording box out and being done with it.

Ben: Well...

Andrew: Will you be here in 2011?

Ben: Definitely. I'm never going away. I'm back for good, folks.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: You can't get rid of me.

Andrew: Ben, will you go on the record now saying...

Micah: Can we quote you on that?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. Will you go on the record now saying you'll be on this week's pre-recorded episode of MuggleCast 137?

Ben: I will not go on the record saying anything.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: Because, Andrew, I don't want to disappoint the fans. What if tomorrow I'm driving and my car flips over, and I don't make it to record the show?

Andrew: That's very thoughtful.

Ben: You know what I mean? It just wouldn't be very nice of me. But think about it...

Matt: Do you want to make a little nice goodbye on this episode, just in case?

Ben: Well, I think we should all say goodbye if that's the case. I mean...

Matt: Oh, yeah.

Ben: You know, "God willing..."

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: But as I was saying, this means two more movie premieres which I am so excited about.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Because, I mean, the last two premieres have been two of the most fun times in my life. Because the first premiere was when I met Andrew...

Andrew: Oh!

Ben: ...and I met so many people from MuggleNet.

Andrew: Emerson. Wait, was that...?

Ben: No, I met Emerson before that.

Andrew: That was the first time I met Emerson.

Ben: Then there was just so many times, so many good times at those movie premieres, it's just really exciting. I can't wait to go to them again.



Discussion: How to Make them Truly Separate?


Andrew: Yeah. It's a very interesting vibe around the premieres. I mean, along the red carpet all the fans are there, of course. And everyone is just so excited. And Emerson always does his trademark revving up of the crowd [laughs] getting them all chanting "MuggleNet." [laughs] Oh, which is always funny. Heyman Question Number Two: "How do you make them one but two separate and distinct stories?" I think this is a very interesting question, because, what do you do here?

Matt: So wait, they want them to be distinct?

Andrew: His words are: "How do you make them one but two separate and distinct stories?" So they have to be able to connect once they put them together on the DVD, but how do you make them separate in that people will be satisfied with each part? I mean, because there's - this is a six-month difference you're seeing each of these, so...

Laura: Well, I guess the best way I can think of doing that - and I mean, I'm not exactly sure how they're going to film this and how it's going to work, but instead of filming it in two parts, they should film it as one big movie and then cut it, I think.

Ben: Isn't that probably what they're going to do?

Laura: It would make the continuity better. I think so, but...

Matt: Yeah, they're filming it all together.

Laura: Oh, they are? Okay, because I thought maybe with the six month difference they might take advantage of the time to do some additional filming after the first one comes out, so...

Matt: Well what they did with the other films is when they do a trilogy, or a series of films, is also that they change the main theme of the music in the films. Like each movie has its own certain theme. Like in the Harry Potter movies, Harry Potter 1 was mainly Hedwig's Theme, second one was Fawkes and Lockhart, the third one was Double Trouble, whatever it was, was that what it was called?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Double, double. Yeah, that was a - oh, we won't get into that...

Matt: So if they keep playing that in the background, it would probably...

Ben: Something wicked this way comes...

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, imagine that, if they - if in the trailer, it was like a mash-up - I don't know, is this what you're trying to say Matt? It's a mash-up of like all the soundtracks that we've heard so far. How cool would that be?

Ben: I don't know how cool it would be, because I don't know how cool those tracks go together.

[Andrew, Laura and Matt laugh]

Andrew: That's true.

Ben: Hey guys, guys, Emma from Olympia, Washington has a good question. She was wondering "Which of your guys dream director would have been for Deathly Hallows?"

Andrew: David Yates, hands down.

Matt: Who?

Andrew: [laughs] David Yates.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I'm sort of...

Ben: Actually, actually, I mean, I think he's going to do a good job, but...

Laura: Yeah...

Ben: Part of me - part of me would just like to see Peter Jackson because he's such a pimp.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Can I say pimp? Is that okay?

Andrew: Yeah, no, that's fine.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: You just did.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I love David Yates, I think he did a really great job with Order of the Phoenix, I think these next two - or three movies, rather, are going to be phenomenal, but I've always wanted to see Terry Gilliam direct a Harry Potter film.

Matt: Really?

Ben: You have to remind me who that is.

Matt: Yeah, I could see that.

Laura: He was one of the Python cast, and he directs all these just bizarre and out there movies, but he just provides a very distinct personality to them, and I think he has a very offbeat way of directing that would have been great for Harry Potter. I think actually he was being considered at one point. I know J.K. Rowling said she wanted him to do it, but they - Warner Brothers didn't want to use him because they thought he would be too mean with children, or something along those lines, so...

[Ben laughs]

Laura: Apparently he's kind of a tyrant on set...

[Matt laughs]

Ben: Yeah.

Laura: But he produces great films.

Ben: Oh, guys, guys, Andre from Kansas has a really good question, I'm sorry Andrew if this makes you mad that I'm bringing up all these questions, but get over it. This is a really good question I have to ask.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: Andre says: "How are they going to make sure non-fans understand the concept of two different films in promotion?" Or production. Either or.

Matt: They're going to have big bold letters before each movie saying: "Part I" and "Part II."

Ben: No, but don't you think it would be confusing to some people? I think it would be.

Matt: They may make a montage before the Part II movie.

Andrew: I think...

Matt: Maybe a bad dream of all the stuff that happened to Harry and he wakes up or something...

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Do you think they will do a recap in Part II?

Micah: Probably.

Matt: Or do you think it will go straight right into it?

Micah: You will probably get some scenes that are played at the beginning of the movie that kind of take you through what happened in the first part.

Ben: I think you have to.

Micah: Yeah, I agree. I agree with what Ben was saying - or to answer what Ben was saying before, I think that will be solved by having subtitles, and also - and one thing I think you could do though is, you could really break it up and say Part I was more about Harry learning about the Horcruxes, and maybe that's how they will try and move it in that direction, and the second one is more about him finding them and destroying them.

Ben: That's a good idea Micah.

Andrew: Yeah, that's a very good point.

Ben: David Yates, Steve Kloves, Heyman, you listening to Micah Tannenbaum?

Andrew:

[laughs] Micah Tan, the MuggleCast newsman.

Micah: I want fifty percent of the revenue.

[Andrew, Ben and Matt laugh]

Ben: Hey, has Micah got anything out of Jo lately? Like "What's Bugging Micah," isn't that what it's called?

Andrew: Yeah, I don't know Micah, it's been a bit of a loll, hasn't it?

Micah: Yeah, she...

Ben: Yeah, Micah, go demand something.

Andrew: Ben, I got to...

Micah: Like a site update, with her thoughts on the split?

Andrew: Yeah, that would be nice. She should post her thoughts on the split. Although, we do that that the L.A. Times said that the - Heyman said that she was cool with it. She was quote on quote "Cool with it". Yeah, I would like to hear her thoughts more in depth though.

Matt: What do you feel about the phrase? "Cool with it", it just doesn't seem like she's that all real about...

Andrew: Yeah, I have a hard time picturing that phone conversation. [in a British accent] "'ello Jo, what do you think of splitting it in two?" "It is cool..."

Ben: I'm cool with it.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: It is cool, man. It is cool.

Andrew: Ben...

Ben: She's probably like, "That's straight dude." That is probably what she said...

Andrew: That is straight dude. [laughs] Yeah man.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Micah - no not Micah - Andrew were you going to ask me a question?

Andrew: Well, I know Dumbledore is dead but I would love to know what he would think about that, if we were to ask him the question...

Ben: Oh man, It has been a while. [as Dumbledore] "It is our choices Harry..."

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: "...far more then our abilities that determine what we truly are."

Andrew: Ah, yes!

Ben: That quotes probably wrong. That quote is probably way off, get mad at me about it, write on my Facebook wall...

Andrew: But that is the one that you always say...

Ben: Really? Okay, good...

Andrew: You are promoting you're Facebook an awful lot this episode. Are you low on friends?

Ben: Well, see that year - I haven't been on in so long. I just need to boost my Facebook friend count. Just to help my self-esteem a little bit...

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Tomorrow's feed is going to be like, Ben Schoen added 3,000 friends...

Ben: Yeah...

[Ben and Matt laugh]

Micah: We were actually going to ask Jim Dale about what he thinks about your Hagrid and Dumbledore...

Ben: Oh, you have to! Please, please, please...

[Laura and Andrew laugh]

Andrew: See, yeah...

Micah: How is Hagrid, Ben?

Andrew: Yeah, how is he?

Ben: [as Hagrid] "Great!"

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Hagrid needs some work. You have no idea how much time and effort goes into doing these impressions. You would be surprised...

[Andrew laughs]



Discussion: Suspense or Resolution?


Andrew: Heyman question number three! Do you break it with a moment of suspense, or one of resolution?

Laura: Suspense.

Andrew: I guess we were talking about this. But do you?

Laura: Yes.

Andrew: I don't know because then you don't fell completed.

Laura: But that's the point, it is not supposed to fell complete. It is a two part movie...

Andrew: Laura, but look, you are sitting there in a threatre knowing you are going to have to wait another six or seven months to see the next part. Do you want to be hanging on the edge of your seat? And then for six, seven months...

Micah: She's already read the book.

Laura: Well, yeah. I won't be...

Matt: It's not like she's going to be biting her nails...

Laura: Because I am literate and I read...

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: But - Okay, fine you got me...

Matt: But we are going to be a little disapointed regardless because it is not going to be the entire story.

Ben: What do you mean?

Matt: Well, it's halfway.

Andrew: Yeah, it's not completed. That is way I am saying you should feel like there is a resolution, so you feel completed.

Laura: No, but see here's the thing, I can just imagine if all of us somehow went and saw this movie, right when it came out, together. If it ened on a cliff hanger we would all come out of that threatre bubbling in excitment. If it ended in a resolution we would all be like, that was pretty good. But, I would much rather be excited for the second half.

Matt: Well, see...

Ben: I don't Know...

Matt: I was talking to you about that. About part two of Pirates of the Carribean and part three. Like at the very end when Barbossa comes back to life...

Laura: That was awesome...

Matt: It's either an upset, or a cliff hanger that would just leave you off. So...

Laura: Yeah but there, yeah I agree but it still counted as a cliff hanger.

Matt: Yeah, but it is definitely going to be a cliff hanger. There are not many upsets in the middle of the book anyway. So...

Andrew: I am making a poll, keep talking.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Oh, okay...

[Prolonged silence]

Laura: It will be a cliff hanger.

[Matt laughs]

Micah: Yeah...

Matt: Yeah...

Laura: That is all I have to say...

Andrew: Micah your thoughts please.

Micah: Well. No, I think, based on the stuff we talked about, whether it is Harry saying the name Voldemort, and all those goons showing up and taking them to Malfoy Manor. That would definitely be a cliff hanger. Or even them walking into Malfoy Manor and the door closing behind them and that is the end of the first movie. I mean again another cliff hanger. I really cannot see it ending with some sort of resolution, because that is boring to be honest with you. It's boring...

Matt: I agree with you Micah...

Micah: Thanks, which part?

Matt: The part where they are being taking to Malfoy as the cliff hanger because you could see them like talking, conversing inside. But weren't they in a carriage, when they were taken off, or something?

Micah: I don't remember.

Matt: Well they being carried in something, which would be kind of cool if they panned out, from them being carried away and then the camera just goes up this huge mansion, into Malfoy Manor, or something. And then it just ends right there.

Micah: Yep.

Laura: Hey, you guys. Sorry to interupt, but did you know that J.K. Rowling wrote into our MuggleCast Live address?

Andrew: No way!

Micah: Oh, wow.

Andrew: No way.

Laura: She says...

Micah: How's she doing?

Laura: Yeah. She said: "Yo dog! I was not down with the split. I told that fool Heyman not to cut my work in two, but he said, 'Chill, Jo! I needs to get paid.'"

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: 'I needs to get paid'?

Ben: Wow. Looks like the truth finally comes out.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Someone check that IP address.

Matt: I didn't Jo was from East Compton.

Laura: Thanks, Jo!

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Micah: Yeah. I was just going to say that.

Andrew: Does it say Wisconsin? Yeah.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]



Discussion: The Wait


Andrew: All right, well, next thing to discuss here - we're out of Heyman questions. If he does another one on a future thing, I'll do Heyman question number four! But, anyway, is the wait really that bad? This is another thing that people are particularly complaining about because they're saying, "Oh, six months. Oh, man!" I'll give my point of view, but first I want to hear you guys.

Laura: It doesn't really bother me.

Matt: No.

Laura: I mean, if you think about it - I mean, I realize it's all the same story and it would be great if they could come out at the same time, but six months is shorter than we've ever had to wait for a new movie before [laughs] so there's an upside.

Ben: Yeah. Definitely look at it that way. Before, when we had to wait for movies - looking at it from a marketing perspective once again, six months is probably the most reasonable amount of time because any shorter than that is probably too short and any longer than that is probably going to be too long. If they wait - if they had a year of time in between the movies - like I said, it's the same story, so I guess six months - think about how many movies you remember that you saw six months ago. I don't know. I don't see very many movies.

Matt: Well, it's also being released in the holiday season for Part I and in the Summer for Part II. And I would definitely much rather watch the movie during my Winter break and my Summer break...

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Oh, yeah. For sure.

Matt: ... and have the excitement...

Micah: Well, I hope you're out of college by then.

Andrew: Ooh. Um, burn?

Matt: Well, yeah. I'm going to be... [laughs]

Micah: I'm just joking.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: I'm joking!

Ben: Ooh, slam by Micah Tan!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Micah: I'm just hoping - I'm hoping he's going to graduate college by then. I mean, come on.

Andrew: Well, Micah, sorry we all can't be in your position.

Micah: [laughs] Thanks.

Andrew: Mr. Ooh work!

Ben: Micah has a Master's degree, guys. He's better than us.

Andrew: He does, doesn't he?

Ben: He's the master. Everyone bow to the master. The master, Micah.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Bowing. Bowing.

Ben: Sorry. I'm done.

Andrew: Asterik bow. Little update from J.K. Rowling on the feedback form. She's from Scotland this time. I think this is the real one. "Yo, yo, yo! I don't appreciate ya'll dissing my rep, yo!" Sorry, Jo. It's 2:41 AM over there. Why's she up so late?

Ben: Well, see...

Laura: Maybe she's writing.

Andrew: She could be. Her next children's book.

Ben: Book eight!

Andrew: Book eight? [laughs]

[Laura and Matt laugh]

Andrew: Book eight and movie nine. Movie nine and ten! Um, here's my thing about the movie split. Why are people complaining? If you're getting at least two and a half - you're getting two more movies. So, why would you complain if you're getting at least one two hour movie and then a second two and a half hour Movie 6 months later? When in the meantime, between all the other films, we've been waiting at least a year, sometimes two years. I don't get it!

Ben: Because people are complainers. They always find reasons to complain.

Andrew and

Matt: Yeah.

Ben: That's how people are. People are going to find a way to whine and complain about anything. It doesn't matter if they - there is no perfect formula for something like this. There's nothing that's going to please everyone. I mean, if they did just one film people are going to bitch and if they do six films people are going to cry about it. It doesn't matter. People are going to whine no matter what.

Matt: That's just the way it is. Let's face it, our fandom is really...

Laura: Whiny?

Matt: Oh my god. Is that Evanna Lynch? Did she just write to us?

Andrew: Don't get people's hopes up.

Matt: Um, Evanna from Ireland? She says: "Hello, MuggleCasters. It's Evanna Lynch. I love your show. I've been listening since Episode 50. I just wanted to say 'Hi' to all you guys."

Andrew: No we're - Uh, that's not her real e-mail address. I don't think...

Ben: Guys...

Matt: Not her?

Andrew: ...that's her. [laughs]

Matt: You guys, I'm to easily distracted. You can't do that to me. Stop sending in fake e-mails!

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Or I could be completely wrong and that could be her, but I don't know if she...

Matt: I blame Andrew if it's really you Evanna.

Andrew: No. I don't think it's really her. I reasonably - if I was a betting man, I would say that's not her.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Matt: You're a cheating man, Andrew.

Andrew: Hey, by the way, for the record, anyone want to compliment me? I'm pretty sure I did call this a couple months ago.

Laura: I wonder why you called it.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Why? Go ahead, Laura. Tell the world. [whispers] Because I'm smart.

Laura: Because, well, I don't want to rat you out.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: I feel like I'm going to get you in trouble.

Andrew: Okay, Laura. Yeah. All right. Whatever, Laura.

Ben: What happened? What did Andrew call? I'm confused.

Andrew: Lately, I've been...

Micah: He called the split.

Andrew: Lately, I've been starting things by saying "If I was a betting man..." and I would give people some fun facts. But it's only if I was a betting man. I'll tell you later.

Micah: If I was a betting man...

Ben: Oh, so you're not a betting man?

Andrew: No, I am.

Micah: No, he is.

Andrew: I'll explain it to you later.

Micah: If he was a betting man that went to the set of Half-Blood Prince...

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: No, if I was a betting man who went to the set of Order of the Phoenix, because that one's not embargoed anymore.

Micah: Oh. Well, yeah.

Ben: So Andrew, so Andrew, so you've got three more sets to go to, is that how it's going to shape up?

Andrew: [laughs] Three more sets, baby!

Ben: Or two more sets, actually.

Andrew: Oh yeah, two.

Ben: Actually, I'm going to both of them.

Andrew: No, actually, I'm on Half-Blood Prince right now. I'm on Half-Blood Prince right now. I'm here. Live., not funny, okay.

Ben: Yeah, not at all.

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