MuggleCast 138 Transcript
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Macintosh Computer: Because MuggleCast is amazing, this is MuggleCast Episode 138 for March 25th, 2008.
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Andrew: All right, we're coming off our big interview this week with Jim Dale. Big success, right, Micah?
Micah: Yeah. It was a really good interview.
Andrew: And I'm just going to bet and say that best interview ever with an audiobook narrator after Deathly Hallows.
Micah: It's a safe bet.
Andrew: Hands down.
Eric: I'm going to bet and I'm going to say that we'll be using that intro on all of our shows from now on.
Andrew: It was a lot of fun, we're getting a lot of good feedback from it, so great success.
Mikey: Good job!
Andrew: Yes. We got another big show this week, so I don't think we should waste any time. Also because I'm out of jokes. So we've got some rebuttals, we've got some voicemails, we've got some Muggle Mail, and Make the Connection. All the good stuff. I'm Andrew Sims.
Eric: I'm Eric Scull.
Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
Mikey: And I'm Mikey B.
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Andrew: MuggleCast special guest news anchor Ash Jackson is in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week's top Harry Potter news stories. Hey, Ash.
Ash: Thanks, and welcome to the MuggleCast News for March 25th, 2008. We've got interviews, curses, and movies cut in half. If the weekly Harry Potter News is a roller coaster, this week is the part where you're roaring downhill at a mile a minute screaming at the top of your lungs. I'm Ash Jackson, let's get to it.
An interview with J.K. Rowling was recently published by an Edinburgh student newspaper. The interview, however, was much more like a friendly conversation. The subject of the interview flows freely from discussing the strong support and dissent that Jo has received over the years as a result of writing her Harry Potter books to the few true life beyond the series. All the while, however, it's evident that Jo is still as down to earth as any world famous person can be. In the interview she jokes that Dumbledore's sexuality is a non-issue because, as she says, "It's Dumbledore, for God's sake. There are twenty things that are relevant to the story before his sexuality." Later, while discussing her current and future writing projects, Jo explains that, though it is not currently on her schedule, she is always wanted to write a novel about a stand-up comedian. The full text of the interview can be found on the MuggleNet website.
And lastly, from the AustralianNews.com, the suggestion that the sixth film is cursed, citing a storm damage to movie sets, death threats from stalkers, and hijinx in Surrey involving special effects fog, and streakers. The article suggests that the actors feel the movie has been jinxed, though no direct sources are provided.
This is Ash Jackson thanking you for the chance to present the Harry Potter news for the week of March 25, 2008. And now back to your regularly scheduled MuggleCast.
Andrew: All right, great job, Ash!
Micah: You're welcome... Oh! Sorry.
Andrew: Oh, man.
Eric: Oh, dude. Stepping on toes, there.
Micah: We didn't do that in rehearsal.
Mikey: Oh, Micah. You're funny.
Andrew: That wasn't planned.
[Andrew and Micah laugh]
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Andrew: Micah, you're going to have to get back into the swing of things. It's been, like, a month.
Micah: Yeah, it's got to be quite awhile since I've done the news. You started it off, right? I think. A couple of episodes ago.
Andrew: I did it because you were being lazy one night and didn't want to do it when I needed it.
Micah: That's you're take on it. Okay.
[Andrew and Mikey laugh]
Mikey: I think Micah has a completely different side of the story.
Micah: Yeah, that involved work, but, hey, you know, Andrew's sounds a little bit better.
Andrew: I was working.
Andrew: I was working, but I had time to record it.
Micah: Yeah, you did, but I figured, you know, after how many consecutive weeks of doing the news, I could let Andrew give it a shot.
Andrew: Aw, thanks. You're so nice. It was fun, though. I had fun imitating - doing a cheap impersonation of you.
Micah: Yeah? Yeah?
Andrew: See, I called it cheap because if I say an impersonation people will say, "That was the worse impression ever!" But...
Micah: It came close to being the worst ever.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.
Mikey: I think I do a worse one, so I give up.
Micah: Ben is pretty good. Did he do it once?
Andrew: Ben does it every...
Eric: Or twice or three hundred times.
Andrew: Ben always - what people don't know is when we do the recorded shows when Ben used to come on to recorded shows, when I used to say, "All right, thanks, Micah" - oh, no, no, whenever I intro-ed you I would go, "And now Micah Tannenbaum with the news," Ben would always go, "Thanks, Andrew."
Andrew: But I would always cut it out.
Micah: I was expecting it on the live show, too. I thought he was going to throw it in there but he didn't.
News Discussion: David Heyman Interview
Andrew: He didn't, no. If I intro-ed the news I'm sure it would have happened. Anyway, let's move on to some news. Only one thing we really wanted to talk about this week: New interview with David Heyman on the split. This actually came out right after our live show, and this was with Empire Online, I believe. A nice, lengthy interview with David Heyman. They're really opening up. I guess they just want a lot of press for this. But did you guys read this interview? It has some interesting information in it.
Mikey: Yeah, no, I just actually read it right before we, you know, started recording.
Micah: I remember recording something about this last week, right? I mean am I going crazy?
Andrew: Yeah, the lost episode of MuggleCast. No, no, the lost episode of MuggleCast, but we're going to pretend like we didn't do that.
Micah: Oh, okay.
Andrew: One interesting question asked to David Heyman was, "Did you get as far as trying to put a script together that would get everything into one film, or did it become obvious in discussions that it wouldn't work?" And David Heyman's answer, which is very interesting, is "No, it all came down to discussions. We just thought, 'How are we going to approach this? Is this going to be a four and a half hour film?' That's probably what it would have been." Really? Really? And David goes on to say that one of their main concerns was children - losing the interest of children. And I guess that makes sense, right? You don't want to lose the interest of kids, but would they actually have made a four and a half hour film all in one?
Eric: I question that, but, again, it was in such preliminary discussion that no, they weren't going to, because when it came time to really make the decision they decided to split it.
Mikey: Yeah. I agree with Eric on that, but, truthfully, if they were making a four and a half hour film, it would have been cut down to three hours, maximum.
Eric: Yeah, I really don't think...
Mikey: And editing. And, truthfully, you know, I have mixed feelings about the split. One, I'm kind of excited that they're going to tell the story I feel a little bit more and spend a little bit more time on it, like they should. For Order of the Phoenix, biggest book, shortest movie. But at the same time it's going to be the odd movie out. If you watch all the movies, they all have a pacing, and I'm wondering if what they're going to do with the movie to really like - are they going to flush stuff out? Are they still going to cut the same amount of stuff and just kind of flesh certain things out?
Mikey: But I'm not sure, you know.
Andrew: I don't know.
Mikey: We'll see.
Mikey: I'm excited.
Andrew: David also reiterates that they want it to be two separate films, each contain two separate plots, and, actually, in Muggle Mail this week we do have a couple interesting ideas. Actually, just one interesting idea, and I think there might be one voicemail about it. But another question David asks - or he is asked - is, "Obviously, there are people who will think that the decision to make two films is driven by a desire to make twice as much money. What do you say to that?" And, clearly, I think they're already sort of getting fed up with this question. Heyman says, "The process went like this: The studio said to us, the filmmakers, 'You decide what is best for the story.' Alan Horn, the president of Warner Brothers, and Jeff Robinov, Warner Brother's head of production, particularly Alan Horn, are complete Potter fans. He loves the franchise, loves the books, loves the films, and appreciates their importance to Warner Brothers on many levels." Money. "But, above all else, he's a fan, and he said he did not want to compromise the creative integrity of the films. He wants to end the series in the right way. He's been very generous in the resources they're given, but also in the freedom they've given us on each film." He very clearly said, that "Steve Cloves, myself, David Yates, should make the decision and he would support that." I don't know. So what's this basically saying was the decision to split it into two films didn't come from high up. He said, "You decide..." well, maybe this isn't a definitive explanation, but what he did say was, "You decide what is best for the story." What do you guys think about this? I mean...
Eric: Well, they're not going to say, "yes, we're going to love how much money we're going to get," you know? But I think that it was really generous of him to explain a little bit of the process that, you know, this is - I think it's kind of irrelevant if they are even happy about how much extra money, you know, that they're going to get out of it. I think it would be the right thing to do. Maybe it would have been the right thing to do a few movies ago, too.
[The song "Money" by Pink Floyd starts to play]
Eric: But, you know, needless to say they're doing it now and I think that the Warner Brothers guy - he says the people high up really appreciate the contribution that Harry Potter makes to the series. To me that sounds kind of like a money thing.
Andrew: [sings] Money.
Eric: And so that, you know, kind of think that the - kind of...
Mikey: [laughs] Okay.
Andrew: I really think it's all about money.
Mikey: I don't.
Andrew: Why not, Mikey?
Mikey: Well, again, like the first point, it came down to discussions, you know. When they approach the film - like again I'm sure they've approached every film this way - when you flesh it out it's probably, you know, like the books are pretty hefty books, except for maybe the first two, or maybe the first three. After that they're pretty big in the sense that you can get a pretty long film out of it. Andrew, you going to keep with the music, really?
Andrew: I'm not convinced, I'm not convinced.
Andrew: I don't know.
Mikey: But really, you know, I can see now it's like Harry Potter as a film, as a series, has it earned its dues. Basically, they could do whatever - the filmmakers kind of have the pull, you know, to go we can do whatever we want for the last two. And, you know, the - Warner Brothers is going to back him on it. And, truthfully, I can believe where it says, you know, Jeff Robinov - it was saying, hey let's go ahead and give the fans, you know - 'cause remember we've - I've met, you know, David Heyman, and so have you, Andrew. He seems like a really down to earth person.
Andrew: No, no, no, yeah.
Mikey: He's gone to MuggleNet, he's - you know what I mean? I would say he's very in touch with what the fans want and truthfully, one of the biggest complaints with all the films, which we've always complained about, is it's not true enough to the book.
Andrew: I do agree with that, but um...
Mikey: And again, when they're discussing it in this discussion process. Like, if they want to do the last book - think about how much, you know - yes, every Potter book we've always kind of put emphasis on and, you know, I wasn't part of you guys when Half-Blood Prince came out, but Deathly Hallows, we put so much emphasis on it, and that's because, what, it was the last one.
Mikey: That's the same thing for them when it comes to movie making. But, you know, it's in a couple of years later, but you have to go, okay, well the fans really wanted, you know - they put so much effort into reading the series all the way through, younger kids are into it, adults are into it. All their complaints are always about the movie not following the books close enough. If we're trying to do the last film right for them, so that they have something to go out on, that they're happy with, that they treasure...
Andrew: I do agree with that.
Mikey: It's too long. And so it makes sense that they're doing two, you know, two separate movies. What I do like is that they're just kind of like some other movies that are released. They're releasing them relatively close to each other. They're like, what, six months apart, is what they said?
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, it's six months difference.
Mikey: So six months apart. So this is what's going to happen. The first film is not going to be out on DVD yet.
Andrew: No, no, it will. It will. Didn't we read somewhere that they are going to do that?
Mikey: Are they going to release it on DVD?
Andrew: I - well...
Mikey: Because six months could be the life of a film in the theater.
Andrew: Right. We did discuss this in the...
Mikey: On the live show?
Andrew: On the live show, but I'm trying to remember, Micah, was there some sort of confirmation or was it...
Micah: Yeah, I thought we - I thought I remember us talking about the fact that they were going to release the first DVD...
Andrew: We did. That's what we talked about.
Micah: ...before the second movie came out.
Andrew: But, see, it'd make sense if they do that. I mean, why wouldn't they? Like...
Micah: Well, you know, there's a number of reasons.
Andrew: ...take advantage of the Easter, you know, season...[laughs]...you know, parents get their kids gifts. And I guess it would be too close to the holiday - you wouldn't be able to get it out for Christmas. I just think that they know if they put out the first one it'll sell like crazy. They know if they put out the second one alone it'll sell like crazy. They know if they put them together it would sell like crazy.
Micah: You know, if you do all three they're going to sell like crazy three times. But...
Andrew: And then - and then along comes the complete collection - all eight movies together.
Andrew: There's another thing.
Micah: I wanted to...
Mikey: On BluRay.
Micah: ...go back to what Mikey was saying before about David Heyman. I don't really think it's about David Heyman, and...
Andrew: No, it's not.
Micah: ...it's about Alan Horn, and it's about Jeff Robinov, you know...
Andrew: And all the higher ups.
Micah: All the higher ups. At the end of the day, unfortunately, as much as they like Harry Potter, it's about how much money are they bringing in.
Mikey: Oh no, I agree.
Micah: People who are arguing the fact that, oh, Deathly Hallows, if it's going to be a three hour movie we're not going to get everything into it, are the same people who are now turning around and arguing, well, they split the film into two because they want to make more money. So it's kind of like a no-win situation for some of these people out there. You can't make the argument both ways. Either you're going to suck it up and deal with a three hour movie and, you know, not be upset that you only had to pay once to go to the theaters, or you're just going to have to deal with the fact that you're going to have to pay twice to go and know that, as a Harry Potter fan, you're going to get almost everything in these two films.
Eric: Right, and...
Andrew: Yeah. I'll tell you what. Warner Brothers was gloating months ago that the Harry Potter series was the top grossing franchise of all time. I'm sure this eighth movie - that could've played a little role. They want a little extra buffer to hang on to that most - money - franchise - thing.
Eric: Well, for quarterly, they want to have at least one more quarter of profit, you know.
Andrew: Right, for Harry Potter. That's icing on the cake. Think: a whole additional movie. That's going to - eight movies. Bond will never beat them. Ever.
Mikey: Yeah. Star Wars.
Andrew: Bond held the previous record for anyone who doesn't know. You know, it's just...
Mikey: Yeah, I agree, but, truthfully, you know, I can see where it came down to - the people up above said, "All right, the books were seven books, we knew it would go into seven," and, truthfully, if the filmmakers wanted - I'm sure there was no pressure to split it into two, and I'm taking that with a grain of salt...
Andrew: I don't think it was either. I would agree with that.
Mikey: But I'm saying, they may have suggested it. "Do you guys want to split it to give it, you know, longer, like you guys want?" I've been looking at the budget. The budget for each Harry Potter movie started out at 125 million dollars to 150 million. Their budget hasn't gone much up. They threw a lot of money into this from the very beginning, and, truthfully...
Andrew: And there's only so much you can use though at the same time. I mean, if they up the budget, what are they going to do with the money?
Mikey: Yeah, well, no. It comes...
Andrew: Well, special effects only cost that much.
Mikey: Well, special effects cost a lot of money, plus advertising still costs a lot.
Eric: Oh, they don't need advertising for this film.
Andrew: The funny thing is they don't, but they invest in it like crazy.
Mikey: Well, they're going to have to.
Eric: What I'm thinking is that if they were to do one movie and it was really long, you know, they would be spending that much more money to have that many more shooting days to shoot all the scenes that aren't going to get cut because they're not breaking it down into an hour and a half movie. So they're spending all this money on the locations and the shots and doing everything anyway making this long movie. They're not going to see the turn around, then, in ticket sales because, you know, people will only have one movie to go to see. If they break it into two movies, a brilliant idea, and this doesn't make them greedy, but a good idea then would to be to supplement all these extra days of shooting by making it two movies and that kind of rewards everyone.
Andrew: One thing that is interesting that I didn't really think about was that you need Kreacher and Dobby in this movie, and we've heard in the past that House-elves are very expensive to create. I mean for obvious reasons, like Mikey was saying, all the additional work - man hours that you need to create these characters - so, yeah, I imagine the budget would have to go up a little bit, considering you've got to invest some money into Dobby and...
Mikey: And the big dragon, and the dragon they're all riding on, and goblins, and, you know. Yes, goblins are actors but a lot of it is still CG. There's so much.
Micah: And don't forget the end scene too. You have House-elves in that final scene...
Micah: ...in the battle against Voldemort. So it's not just Kreacher.
Eric: And the giant attacking the castle.
Mikey: Multiple giants.
Micah: Well, multiple, right?
Andrew: Yeah. Let's move on though, this is...
Mikey: Yeah, so the movie again. This movie has a lot of stuff and I'm glad they're giving it the amount of time and money it deserves to actually do the story properly.
Andrew: Mhm. Eric, final word on this?
Eric: [pause] Sorry, my brain's turned to mush.
Mikey: [laughs] Let's move on.
Announcement: Vote on Podcast Alley
Andrew: Just one announcement this week. We want to continue to encourage everyone to vote for us on Podcast Alley. We've been owning the charts this month, and I just want to encourage everyone, you know, just because it's MuggleCast March doesn't mean you don't have to make us number one next month. You know, MuggleCast Mapril, MuggleCast May...
Mikey: No, no...
Andrew: ...MuggleCast Mune...
Mikey: I thought it was Andrew April, you know. For you, we're doing it for you.
Andrew: Oh, Andrew April, that's a good point.
Mikey: We're voting for Andrew April and then...
Mikey: Mikey May
Andrew: Mikey May.
Mikey: Yeah, so...
Andrew: Don't forget to vote on Easter Eric, and then...
Eric: [laughs] Which is this Sunday.
Micah: [laughs] Wow.
Andrew: Yeah, this Sunday. Vote today.
Mikey: And Monday Matt, you know.
Andrew: Yeah, Monday Matt. [laughs] So vote every day is what we're trying to say. Thanks to everyone who's helping us out there. Let's get into some Muggle Mail this week.
Muggle Mail: Portraits and Paintings
Eric: Okay. First Muggle Mail this week comes from Emily age 16 from Dallas, Texas. The Subject is: Frustrated.
"'Sup MuggleCasters?" Exclamation point, exclamation point. Gee, don't sound too frustrated. "Thanks for an awesome MuggleCast last week, but there was one moment where I kind of wish I would knock some sense into you guys. There were definitely painted portraits in 1000 A.D. Promise, no fingers crossed. I've been to tons of art museums in Europe. The Uffizi, the Louvre, and the London Institute all have a medieval section where there are paintings. Although most of these are non-portraits, some are, so your point as to why the early Hogwarts founders weren't portrayed in painting was kind of...Eh...Wrong! Haha, Jo made a booboo here, ladies and gents. Well, that all sounded offensive. Sorry about that. Taking a course in art history makes me a teensy bit defensive when it comes to history and art. Anyways, peace and pickles. Emily." Triple x.
Andrew: I can't remember who said this last week, but...
Micah: I think this goes way back.
Andrew: It was two weeks ago, I think it was.
Micah: And you were the only one there. Or, unless Mikey was, too.
Mikey: No, I was there. I was there. Actually, no. Yes, they've had artwork throughout history, you know.
Andrew: See, I agree with this girl. I think it's stupid that whoever was saying it - Mikey, was it you?
Mikey: It might have been me, but I know what she's talking about.
Andrew: [laughs] It may have been. Hmmm.
Mikey: It may have been. And I am going to say, yes it was me. It probably was. But truthfully, you know, yes, there has been art throughout history. You can go back to cave paintings that are considered art and replicas and things like that, but at the time period up to about 1400 painting really wasn't available to a lot of people in the sense that - yes, there's definately art museums throughout Europe. I've been to the Louvre. I've been to a lot of different places, but it was very expensive. But I remember - trying to remember - what was it? Where did they talk about Hogwarts? Someone talked about the beginning of Hogwarts, where it was like...
Andrew: Well the debate was - the question was - it was a voicemail question: Why weren't there any founder - why weren't there any paintings - portraits of the founders?" I think between - I think, Mikey, your example makes enough sense. I thought our debate, though, was the - I think like Laura was saying - if the magic was there. And I was like, what? Of course the magic was there. It's like...
Mikey: It's like - yeah - I'm sure they had paintings, but probably not talking paintings, you know...
Eric: Micah, no, I'm sorry, Mikey...
Mikey: I'm so confused.
Eric: ...what you are saying about it being expensive and all that stuff. These were not four average Joes; these were the four greatest witches and wizards of their time. I think it's a serious question. It is the only school in England as well, so if anybody gets art supplies, you know, they're kind of running out of paint in the entire country, Hogwarts would have it.
Andrew: Why is Hogwarts the only school in England?
Eric: I mean the only wizarding school. Is it or isn't it?
Andrew: Oh, the only wizarding school.
Mikey: Remember at the time that they made it, this was the first time - they were the four best, strongest wizards and witches in the land. There were still lots and lots of people learning on their own with families. You don't have to go to Hogwarts to become a wizard. You can be taught at home.
Muggle Mail: Bob Hoskins
Micah: The next one comes from Jessica Thompson, 21, of Redding, England and talking about Bob Hoskins. She says:
"Hey guys, I'm still loving the show and will be very sorry to see the weekly podcast come to an end. Even though I think it's probably the right decision, I'll miss my MuggleCast Monday mornings so much. Thanks for all the hard work that you've put in over the years. We all appreciate it and hope you've had as much fun making them as we have listening. Just thought you might be interested to know that the interview with Bob Hoskins that you referred to on Episode 135 was an episode on BBC's Friday Night with Jonathan Ross. I don't remember the date it aired, but it was the same episode as his interview with Jo just before 'Deathly Hallows' came out. It was absolutely hilarious and well worth a look. I watched it myself on YouTube just a few weeks ago, so I'm sure you'll still be able to find it out there somewhere. Keep up the great work, Jessica."
Eric: Okay. Good. Yay. At the live podcast in London somebody had said that she saw an interview with Bob Hoskins that said there was a character in DH reserved for him in the movie, because he was asked why he didn't portray any earlier roles. Anyway, this girl has given us the reference by which I can go find it on YouTube, the interview with Bob Hoskins. We speculated whether...
Micah: Yeah. It had been posted on MuggleNet actually a little while back, and there was that interaction between the two of them. I remember watching it, and I guess you guys had discussed on 135 who you thought he would play?
Andrew: Well, Eric was suggesting that it would be...
Andrew: That he would play...
Eric: Mr. Lovegood.
Andrew: Right. Mr. Lovegood, so...
Eric: Potentially, I don't know. Because I always thought of him as a Slughorn guy.
Muggle Mail: What the Ministry Monitors
Andrew: Next email comes from Mary V., 14, of Missouri. She writes:
"I have a bit of a rebuttal for you. In last week's Episode 135 one of you, I think it was Andrew, said that the Ministry monitors almost everything in discussing the taboo on Voldemort's name. My rebuttal for all of you is this: if the Ministry can monitor spoken magical words (i.e. the taboo), then how come the Ministry doesn't monitor Unforgiveable Curses? And if the Ministry does monitor them, how come they didn't respond when Voldemort used the Cruciatus Curse on Harry in the graveyard in 'Goblet of Fire'? Unforgivables performed by non-Dark wizards during times when Voldemort is not in power seems like a pretty serious offense, like in Azkaban. So it would make sense the Ministry would want to monitor their use. Something doesn't seem to add up here. Love the show. Mary V."
I think it's one of those things. It's like - I've made this example before - It's like the question: why don't you see them use the bathroom? It's just because. Just because if they did, there's no proper explanation for it. It just - It just can't happen. And in this example he has to use the Cruciatus Curse, there can't always be a consequence for everything Harry does. I just think there's no room in the plot. What do you guys think?
Eric: I think also - well, it would be kind of too late, wouldn't it? I mean if you're monitoring who...
Eric: Oh, there's a taboo on someone who - Yeah, if you are trying to track someone who uses an Unforgivable Curse - you know - notably a BAMF, you're not going to want to - you know - go to the scene of the crime as it happened unless you're - you know - I mean, the Aurors - I guess the Aurors could make their living like that. I mean maybe, but I think you guys are right. It's just one of those things that's kind of, you know, a mute point or a mute kind of concern that they would do this...
Mikey: And at the same time, like, maybe they did track it. Again there is so much of the story we can't even follow. Maybe they did track it, but at the same time, that's when, you know, Dumbledore is saying that Voldemort's back. And, you know, again, it's politics. They turned a blind eye to all the signs and everything that was happening so they could've seen it, but they said nope, we didn't catch that.
Micah: No, I agree with pretty much everything that's been said. I mean you can also go earlier in this book when Moody - well, fake Moody slash Barty Crouch Jr. uses the Unforgivable Curses in the classroom. I mean five or six Aurors didn't pop up in Hogwarts because there were Unforgivable Curses that were being taught. So I don't really think that it's something that, you know, okay, Voldemort's name is automatically said and these people show up. It's not the same with the Unforgivable Curses, where one is done and then automatically - you know - all these people are just going to start popping up. I just - it just wouldn't make any sense. That doesn't
mean that they can't trace them, and like you were saying before, they wouldn't be further investigated, but I don't think right when it happens - like Eric was saying - if this guy is some, you know, BAMF...[laughs]
Micah: ...you know, they're not going to go chasing right after them and show up right on the scene. I think they would do some investigative work.
Muggle Mail: Where Movie 7 Should Split
Eric: Next rebuttal from Brandy, age 26, of Indiana:
"Hi Mugglecast. Love the show. You guys are great. Just wanted to make a suggestion for the 'Deathly Hallows' split. I think a nice place for the split would be right after meeting with Xenophilius Lovegood, but right before saying the name "Voldemort" and getting captured. That way they could end right after a large action sequence and then begin with the next movie right before another big action sequence, i.e. Malfoy Manor. Just a thought. Thanks."
Andrew: I like that a lot.
Eric: I agree with it. I think - Andrew, you and I were talking about - when we were thinking of which chapters to do for Chapter-by-Chapter this week - whether or not to do two or one - I had suggested that well, maybe we should only do one this week because it's kind of a long chapter, but it's also the chapter that precludes, sort of, the second half of the novel as it were. Because they've - at the end of it - at the end of the chapter "Deathly Hallows" they have said "Voldemort," and there's people outside the tent. I think it's such a great, kind of - oh, I mean it would be
perfect for the movie split. What do you guys think?
Andrew: Or even taking Brandy's idea and just going a little further. How about - now that we already know the taboo - there is that taboo when you say "Voldemort" - what if they say "Voldemort" and then it - it just begins to transition into the next chapter, but it doesn't exactly. We just hear them, like suddenly coming after the trio or something. Like, that would be a cliffhanger, when you're like, oh, my God, who's there for Volde - or who's there for the trio...
Andrew: ...and what's going to happen?
Micah: Well, yeah, I agree with that. Just - probably what we're about to discuss...
Micah: ...but I think it'd be really cool if - you know, like - Harry starts saying the name, Voldemort, you have Hermione scream "Harry, no!" and then the scene just goes black. That would be like a great ending to the first...
Eric: Wasn't it - there's dialogue. It's like, "Come out, we know you're in
there." You know - we're not...
Micah: No, but I think it's - yeah, but I think it's better, you know, sort of hanging off of those words.
Andrew: I think it would be scarier if you did hear that little bit of dialogue Eric's talking about. Just to hear these very scary voices.
Mikey: What about if it went - what if it went black, and then you heard those as the credits start to roll.
Mikey: That would be scary.
Andrew: Oh, my God, I would cry.
Eric: No, there needs to be - there needs to be a score when the credits roll. There needs to be...
Andrew: It's like Cloverfield style, no music or anything.
[Micah and Mikey laugh]
Andrew: Oh, my gosh.
Mikey: But you know what, though? If it - like - if it goes even a step further beyond that - like, it could end like so many other movies where it's like - it ends on a down note: they got captured. Either way, you know - the book - this section, this area we've been talking about and we're talking about today is the area they're probably going to split it because it's just kind of like - it is the halfway point in, like, the story...
Micah: Yeah. Well, David Heyman listens, so - I mean - he's just going to take our ideas.
Andrew: Come on, Big D. Come on, Big H.
Mikey: Come on, David Heyman.
Eric: Big D?
Andrew: His initials are Deathly Hallows.
Micah: That's true.
Mikey: Come on, DH, help us out here.
Andrew: All right, next email. Zach, 20, of Philly! Eric and I...
Eric: Dude, I like this guy. No, I like this guy's point. This guy has a really great point.
Andrew: "I loved your live show about Deathly Hallows' split. Even though I am a few episodes behind, I am still skipped ahead to hear - I still skipped ahead to hear your thoughts on the split. My comment is on the waiting period, but not between Part 1 and 2, but between Movie 6 and Part 1 of Movie 7. I originally believed 'Half-Blood Prince' was coming out November 2008 and that 'Deathly Hallows' was scheduled for Summer 2010, not November 2010, because ever since 'Chamber of Secrets' it's been 16-18 months in between movies, not a full 2 years." Well, over two years in this case. Well, actually, yeah, 2 years. Sorry. "So isn't it a little surprising they're not releasing 'Deathly Hallows' a little earlier? Because, to be honest, I can survive a 6 month gap in between Parts 1 and 2. However, a 2 year wait between 6 and 7 is pretty long for the Harry Potter franchise."
And, you know, I wanted to bring this up and the funny thing is, nobody has really complained about that, have they, Eric? [long pause] Eric?
Micah: Thanks, Eric.
Mikey: Yeah. [laughs] Well, no, I thought about that, but, truthfully, you know what's going to happen though? They're probably going to be filming the entire thing...
Mikey: ...kike both parts back-to-back. And that the extra six months is post-production on it. Truthfully, you know, what's going to happen is, again, editing's going to take place - they're going to edit the first one. Once it gets to a final cut, then, you know, the visual effects people are finishing that up. It's going to get finished out and that last six months is where the visual effects are crunching, finishing everything up for the second one. They're going to be shooting the things back-to-back on the two just like they did with The Matrix, just like they did with Pirates of the Caribbean. All of it shot back-to-back so that way, between the two, you know, the distribution between the two is six months. So that's why it takes a little bit longer.
Micah: I agree. I think that's a good point.
Mikey: Yeah. There's no faster way to get it out, like, get it earlier because what happens is they're in shooting longer. Post-production and everything just doesn't come in, you know. It won't be finished in time to get it out earlier. So I guess we can move on because that's kind of how it has to be.
Micah: I'll agree. What happened to him?
Mikey: All right, Micah! It's just me and Micah here.
Micah: It's the M and M show.
Mikey: [laughs] Yes, it is! I think Eric and Andrew are probably off talking on their own without us.
Micah: Yeah, they just left us alone. I bet Andrew went to get a drink or something. He thinks that he's, you know, cool enough.
Mikey: You know...
Andrew: Sorry. Hey.
Mikey: Oh, hey, Andrew's back! All right!
Micah: Hey, look who's back.
Andrew: I am back. I received a phone call.
Mikey: Welcome to the M and M show, Andrew! You know, Micah and Mikey!
Micah: No, he went to go check out Chikezie on American Idol. That's what he went to do.
Andrew: No, I could care less. Sorry, guys, sorry. [laughs] Okay, next email!
Muggle Mail: Movie 7 DVDs
Micah: The last email comes from Terry, who's a boy, 14 of Montreal, Canada. More on the Deathly Hallows split, but focusing on marketing. He says:
"First of all, I'm pretty happy that there is a split and am convinced that it's the better thing to do. A big thanks to you guys for your opinions which helped me decide it. I think, as you guys have also put to theory, that there will be separate DVDs for each half of the full movie release. The first DVD should come out somewhere around March. See, others have done so similarly. The second DVD should come in October and a full DVD set containing both halves around the holiday season. Now, I wanted to know from you guys, what would you do? Would you buy them separately or wait over a year to get the entire DVD set? It's pretty difficult to choose. I myself do not know and would like to hear your opinion. Thanks a lot. I want you guys to know that your show and site are a really positive thing in my life and that they are some of the things that are keeping me from truly going insane." Oh, that's nice to know. "Keep up the great work."
Mikey: I already thought about this. I've actually thought about this a lot. I'm going to buy each movie as they come out on DVD up 'til mid 2010. Reason for this is, chances are, I probably won't be able to afford a nice big screen TV to jump to Blu-Ray yet, but once the entire big thing comes out, of course, there'll be another reason for me to get my big screen TV and buy the entire thing on Blu-Ray along with Star Wars and all my wonderful movies that I have to upgrade to the nice HD versions of.
Micah: Well, see, there's actually an example, and I don't mean to go back to what we were talking about before, but all the original Star Wars movies that were sort of digitally remastered - I mean, that was really a revenue generating idea, wasn't it? I mean to put them back in theaters with these sort of new scenes and...
Mikey: Well, yes and no. It was kind of a trial. Actually, it was a big joke for hardcore Star Wars fans with that - is - because the special edition is horrible. They've changed so many little things and none of the fans of Star Wars really like it - the special edition - much. But what we all recognized is it recognized to George Lucas and Lucas Film that, yes, there was still a draw for Star Wars so he can do the prequel, and, yes, the technology had gotten to a point where the prequels can happen to the way he wants them to be. Now, I'm not saying that the prequels, one, two, and three, are great. I liked the story. I like where it wrapped a lot of things up that were undiscussed, but it at least - at least showed you a few things with that, you know - the special edition release.
Andrew: So, what would you guys do? Let's just go around the table. I mean...
Mikey: Well, I already said what I would do.
Andrew: Yeah. Mikey said - Micah, what would....And I already said what I'm going to do. I mean I'll buy it. It'll be tempting that they'll have special features on there, they'll be doing all these promos that will just make you want to buy it, and I'll probably buy it!
Micah: Yeah, I agree. I mean I think I'd probably go as they were released - go and get the DVDs. You know, the first one for the first part of Movie 7 and then the second part of Movie 7. I mean I don't know if I'd go all out and then get the movie together, but I guess it would all depend upon what you were saying - what are the special features that are going to be available on the two-disk versus the movies individually.
Mikey: That's why you buy them together when they're in Blu-Ray, Micah! Get it in the high-def version!
Andrew: Well, that's the thing that really annoys me. They already have out a complete Sorcerer's Stone through Order of the Phoenix set.
Eric: That annoys me! That annoys me. They had it ever since Movie 3.
Micah: Well, that's revenue generation, right there. I'm sorry. That's purely for monetary gain.
Andrew: What I can see that for is people who are new to the movies, but that's about it.
Eric: Well, no, I mean - yeah, I agree with you. And I agree with everyone else, too. I mean this whole book by book, you know, same with the books, but to a much lesser point than with the movies. Every new movie that comes out they have this new box set of all the movies, but if there's going to be seven or eight, you know, just wait or something. But I guess the box set, I mean, you're right, Andrew, for new listeners, for new visitors. It makes sense because, you know, maybe the movie store won't have all the old ones that came out six or seven years ago. I mean it's a fair point, I think. You know, I've known...
Mikey: No, I, you know, I like the idea of box sets as they come out. You know, I'm not one to buy them, but a perfect example is the books. I was not an original Harry Potter fan. I didn't get into it until after The Order of the Phoenix. I read a friend's first and second book and I liked it so much I went out and bought the five book set, you know, after the Order of the Phoenix. And I was there for the midnight release of, you know, Half-Blood Prince, but I read all five books and I didn't buy one book at a time. I ended up buying the five book set, so that way I had them all and read them, and then I bought the other two books individually.
Eric: Well, that was with me.
Mikey: It's a great way to jump start your collection.
Eric: Well, I agree. I mean, I guess you're right. I did the same thing with the four book set. You know, I borrowed a friend's two - one - no, two and three, and then I just bought the four book set the day that Goblet of Fire came out in paperback. Same thing. But I guess - with DH I definitely will. If it comes out fast enough and if they're not doing that theatrical release that we were speculating about - whether or not they would bring DH part one back to theaters for the release of DH2, then I would definitely end up buying the DVD. Even if it was just a little DVD. But one thing they can't go wrong on - I really want commentary from the trio. I really don't think they could do wrong if they did that. If the DVD had that I would buy it.
Chapter-by-Chapter, Chapter 22, "The Deathly Hallows"
Andrew: Of course. Of course, yeah. Well, let's move along now. I think we've done all of these e-mails justice. We're already pretty far into the show. This week we're going to get back on track with Chapter-by-Chapter as we said earlier. We're going to do Chapter 22, "The Deathly Hallows"! Of course.
Andrew: The title chapter. I guess that's what you call it, right? When the...
Eric: Yeah. Title chapter, self-titled, something like that.
Andrew: Yeah, because with songs they'll do like self-titled albums. Well, that's for the name of the artist, but I don't know.
Eric: That's for the name of the artist, but I understand what you're saying. I can't think of it either.
Andrew: Well, luckily that's not what this show is about. It's about this wonderful chapter! Pretty long chapter, too. I mean short summary of this is basically they discover - well, they discovered the Deathly Hallows in the chapter prior, but in this one Harry's making the realization that this is what he needs to become the Master of Death, and this is what he needs to kill Voldemort.
Eric: He also discovers that he already has two out of three of them and has most of his life.
Eric: [laughs] Yeah.
Andrew: What annoys me about reading this chapter, after having already read the book, is that you know the answer to opening up the Snitch. But it's like, you know, he's sitting there pondering it like he's completely confused. He doesn't know how to do it.
Eric: Well, it's kind of stupid, actually, how the Snitch eventually opens, but - I mean it basically says "I open at the close of the novel." It's like, "I'm not going to open until that battle. Not going to do it. Sorry, dude."
Eric: "Sorry dude. Not going to do it. Until you absolutely want to die, and stuff, no, not going to happen."
Eric: "Until page - yeah, I will not" - what is really said is, "I'm not going to open until page 637." That's really what it said.
Hermione Casting Spells
Mikey: [laughs] Okay, the first thing we wanted to discuss today is Hermione casting all those spells immediately after they arrive at the new place. You know, the protective ones. What were they?
Eric: What were they? What I mean by that is, when I posted these notes in two weeks ago, I expected someone to go back to the beginning of the chapter and write down the incantations.
Mikey: [laughs] Oh, what they were. Oh! Okay.
Andrew: But this is just standard for Hermione, really.
Andrew: She's been doing this for all of them. The spells are - actually, I do have it right here. Protego totalum, Salvio hexia, Cave inimicum. Yeah, something like that.
Eric: Cave inimicum. [laughs]
Andrew: Yeah, something like that.
Eric: Yeah, something like that. So anyway, I guess the basic deal is pretty cool. You can arrive any place and start casting all these protective charms and stuff. I think it's pretty cool.
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