The Trio Not Planning Ahead

Andrew: And as we were discussing a couple of weeks ago, I guess it was, how - who was it? Was it Hermione who said it? "We don't need another Godric's Hollow" or something.

Eric: Yeah, well, she had said that, or Harry - Hermione or Harry had said that, but then here she goes, "Why did we go there? Harry, you were right, it was Godric's Hollow all over again." You know, sheesh, well, what a way to think of it in hinsight, that they've had another out that is just like Godric's Hollow where they aren't prepared and they get in over their own heads and then somehow escape.

Micah: But that's the reality, though, of the entire book.

Andrew: Right, that was what I was saying.

Micah: I mean anywhere that they go, it's going to be problematic whether they're with people who are on their side or people who aren't on their side. They're getting counter-confrontation no matter where they go.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: It's just bound to happen.

Eric: So you're saying it's a habit of the - you know, I mean it's a problem with the way the world is? The way the world is set in this book?

Micah: At the time, yeah.

Eric: Okay.

Micah: Well, yeah, they're at war. I mean he's, you know - what do they call him again? Something Number One.

Mikey: Undesireable Number One.

Micah: Yeah. [laughs] If he's that person, naturally, wherever he's going there's going to be problems. And you look at the facts, Xenophilius Lovegood. I mean, they've never really encountered the guy before, prior to the wedding, so he's not like the most reliable person in the world. I wouldn't just walk through the door and say, "Hey, how's it going?"

Andrew: [impersonates the Fonz] "Hey!"

Mikey: [laughs] Like the Fonz [impersonates the Fonz], like, "Hey! You welcome me in here." But I agree with...

Andrew: But they need all this. That's what I'm saying. But there's no reason to complain.

Micah: But there's a risk. There's a huge risk with whatever they do, but they know that they have to take the risk. They're just lucky that it ended up working out okay.

Mikey: That all three of them lived.

Eric: You wouldn't complain that they don't think things out before they go. You think that...

Micah: Oh, no, no. I completely agree with that point because I hated the whole Ministry scene. I thought that that was absolutely idiotic, that they just went in there with not really - I mean they did think it out, but there were so many - they thought the minute details out as far as who they were going to be, but they didn't have any plan as to once they got in there what they were going to do if they got seperated, which was the case that did happen. And, you know, that three seemingly not-even-close to being in stature the same type of people within the organization, it looks kind of weird to have those three people hanging out with each other. So that was not thought about very well. So a lot of the things that they do aren't thought out, but they don't really have a choice because they don't have anybody to guide them.

Eric: Right, and that's probably true. I mean that's very true. But - and also if they would've waited any longer before they went to the Ministry it may have been, you know, Feburary before they got to anywhere else. So I guess they did have to act. You're right, Micah.

Mikey: It's a plot device.

Eric: I know it's a plot device...

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: ...but, Mikey, when it screams at you, "I am a plot device. I am a plot device. Arrgh."

Mikey: I know, I know, I know. You have to give it some leighway, guys. You got to let it - let your imagination run. Imagine if you were Harry. You're impatient, you're impulsive, you have a hero complex.

Eric: Yeah, you have a saving people thing. Well, dude, like seriously, when it is a plot device and it screams at you and says, "Hi," or [does Austrailian accent] "G'Day, Mate, I'm a plot device," you know, it just kind of irks me.

Theme of Dead Not Belonging in the Real World

Andrew: Now note number three, is there must to discuss there or aren't you just repeating what was said in the book? They were trying to figure out - or Harry was trying to figure out what was going on in his head.

Eric: Yeah, I was questioning whether or not we discussed this last chapter about things being dead not really belonging in the real world again, and, you know, the guy in the story of the three brothers discovered that, and, you know, Harry's really creeping Hermione out here with the talk of living with dead people. So I don't know if we really talked about or if we wanted to talk about like, if, you know, how things don't belong once their dead and all the things - it's kind of the theme of the book.

Micah: Well, why do you think it was creeping her out? I mean maybe that's more specific question to ask, because you could look at it in a number of ways. It was creeping her out because she just didn't like the idea in general, or it was creeping her out because she thought that Harry actually may want to go and live, quote unquote, with those people who were lost.

Eric: That's a good question.

Andrew: Or maybe - maybe another way you could look at it is if they don't belong back on Earth then what happens if they do come back? Are there certain side, or are there effects, or...

Eric: Well, it's against nature. But then again, it could happen just like Horcruxes...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: ...you know. Making Horcruxes is against nature, but it can...

Micah: It can happen.

Eric: ...exist in nature, you know. It can exist.

Mikey: What are the repercussions of bringing someone back, essentially, is what happens here, and...

Eric: You know, Mikey, you know what I'm thinking of right now?

Mikey: What are you thinking of right now?

Eric: "I can't bring people back from the dead! It's not a pretty picture!"

[Eric and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: It's the Genie!

Eric: It's the Genie!

Mikey: Oh man, I love Aladdin. "You ain't never had a friend like me!"

Eric: That's right, man.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Mikey B. That's right. I knew you'd like that, I knew you'd like that. You're awesome, you have great taste, so that's great!

Mikey: Oh, of course! I love Aladdin and the Genie.

Eric: All right. Um, anyway.

Mikey: Anyway.

Eric: [laughs] All right, so, another plot device here. Hermione - well, Harry's ranting and raving because he thinks he has the answer to everything, and, you know, unfortunately for us, he does. But Hermione accuses him of, you know, trying to fit everything in his, well, real life, into the - the story of the Deathly Hallows which is, you know, just a fairy tale according to Hermione. So, you know, I mean here we are as readers listening to Hermione talk about, you know, Harry trying to fit everything into the Hallows story, but at the same time this is a book about the Deathly Hallows, and J.K.R. has tried to weave - or she's been weaving this crafty tale of Harry's invisibility cloak's true identity, and all that sort of thing, into the - into the Hallows story. It seems like - it seems like you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you, but, similarly, J.K.R. shouldn't write Hermione complaining that Harry does something if she's doing it herself. Or, you know, do you guys feel that way or do you feel it's not that case at all?

Andrew: I think it is kind of interesting that this is the first time Hermione's really just like - I really can't think of another time where Hermione was just like, "Harry you're crazy! Forget it!" You know, they're - Hermione and Ron are very set on the fact that Dumbledore told them they have to destroy their Horcruxes and that's it. Yet Harry here thinks he has everything figured out and Hermione's just so against it. I don't - I don't know.

Micah: Well, the reality of it is - could be pretty scary. I mean it goes back to Hermione being scared before about Harry talking about living with the dead. You know, it - to me what I saw in this chapter was that, you know, for once it's Harry who's actually putting it together. It's not Hermione that's doing the puzzle solving.

Andrew: Which is refreshing.

Eric: It is, it is.

Micah: [laughs] The fact that he could be right about this I think scares her more, and that maybe, sort of what's underlying this whole thing is that she doesn't want to believe that he could possibly be right because if he is, you know, the consequences are just so great.

Andrew: Right. She just wants to take the safer route, or the more realistic route, I guess, right?

Mikey: Yeah.

Eric: See, guys, it's basically bringing Harry closer to death than she's comfortable with, I guess, if he's had - if he wants to do anything with these Deathly Hallows.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: Right. I mean listen to him. The Master of Death? That's scary!

Eric: That's kind of creepy.

Mikey: Yeah. Well, there's also a part where it's like, Deathly Hallows? Horcruxes? You know, he's contemplating, "What do I do?" Or, you know, he's completely contemplating, and I think it's, you know, it comes down to - it's Harry's realization that it's not Hermione and Ron's journey; it's his.

Andrew: Mhm.

Mikey: And he - they're either going to be there with him, but in the end he has to make the final choice what he's going to do, and Hermione's scared. It comes down to it. She's a Gryffindor, she's brave, she's done a lot of amazing things, but the only one who can, you know - you know, defeat the other, you know, it's Harry that's going to destroy Voldemort, and he has to make the decision in the end. And that's, I think, a huge reason why it was Harry putting everything together.

Andrew: And he's...

Mikey: You're seeing it from Harry's perspective heavily on this one.

Andrew: And he's seven books into it, and he knows that in every one of his stories there's a resolution, so no matter which path he took he would've - he would've gotten out of there. Jo would've saved him, so everything was all good.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: You know what that reminds me of? It reminds me of that Will Ferrell movie where it's like there's an author writing...

Eric: Stranger than Fiction?

Mikey: An author writing - yeah, writing about his life, and he's like "Who's telling me what to do?" Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And the narrator's God.

Mikey: Could you imagine if Harry was really there? And then like Jo was being like, "And Harry couldn't decide wether to go to the Deathly Hallows or after the Horcurxes." And he's like, "Who's telling me what to think?!" That would be great.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Sorry, I find that amusing.

Andrew: Well, let's move on to the next note.

The Invisibility Cloak

Eric: Well I mean, so Harry is putting things together, and J.K.R. is - it turns out J.K.R. has woven this tale, you know? From the beginning I guess with the invisibility cloak, but more and more recently in Book 6 with Marvolo Gaunt saying that his ring, a family heirloom, you know, had the Peverell crest on it. So, basically, we got this whole thing where Harry - I don't understand - Harry's kind of flipping out. He says that the ring or the stone of the ring is inside the snitch, which he's of course right about, but it seems awfully convenient. But at the same time it just - we're seeing how J.K.R.'s weaving all these things together and fitting them all into the Hallows story. So I don't know. What do you guys think about how she kind of wrote his invisibility cloak in. I mean we haven't seen any other invisibility cloaks, but in this, you know, it's kind of clever.

Mikey: No, we have, we have.

Eric: Well, have we?

Mikey: Didn't they have a - didn't they talk about how Moody had another one but someone else was using it?

Eric: Oh, you're right. Yeah.

Mikey: Yeah.

Eric: Well, I still think it's clever that we've - we've been treated in a way to this invisibility cloak, which is, you know, I would call it a main character in the books. But then we didn't know that, you know, other invisibility cloaks would wear - would not fit them all as good, you know, that sort of thing. It turns out this invisibility cloak is actually really special.

Mikey: Yeah, no.

Micah: Doesn't somebody comment on that, though? I mean earlier in the books? And I forget who it was that they hadn't seen a cloak quite like this ever before?

Mikey: Yeah, I know, I wanted to say that, but I don't remember who.

Andrew: It was said, though.

Mikey: It was.

Andrew: And I mean, I think - I think - I think it shouldn't come as like a surprise. Because we've always know there was something - haven't we really always known that there's something about the cloak.

Mikey: Yeah. Even the way he got it.

Andrew: Dumbledore had it, and his father wanted him to have it, so...

Mikey: Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, it just magically appears. You know, we know it's Dumbledore that gave it to him but it's - he just magically gets this amazing gift, and Ron says, "Wow, those are really rare!"

Eric: Ah.

Mikey: You know, it's like, wow.

Andrew: Yeah, that too.

Mikey: So it's like - it's always been given some significance, and the invisibility cloak has played a role in every book. Come on, Harry sneaks out way too much.

Andrew: But the cloak has confused me, because in the - in the books it says it's indestructible, and it makes you - it makes you invisible. Like completely invisible. But I'm thinking like, don't all you have to do is pull it off you and you're not invisible anymore? I'm confused by how - how amazing this really is. Dumbledore can make him invisible without a cloak.

Mikey: Ah, but, no, he cannot make himself invisible. He can disillusion himself, so it's just like he can go invisible.

Andrew: But he's essentially invisible.

Mikey: He's invisible, not to a very strong wizard. To a very strong wizard like, you know, say, Voldemort, he would not be invisible.

Andrew: Oh, okay. Oh, okay.

Mikey: But, you see, what he does is - Dumbledore cannot make himself invisible, but he's such a strong and powerful wizard that when he does a Disillusionment Charm on himself, it's almost like he's invisible, and it's you know, just as good for the majority of people. That's why - and Jo actually said that, I think, inside an interview, not in the book. I remember that, and I was like, "That makes since now," 'cause I was beating myself up thinking about that.

Eric: Well, that's really cool, Mikey.

Mikey: Sorry. I knew that one like [snaps his fingers] off the top of my head, that was great.

Eric: No, that's cool.

Micah: That was cool? That he was beating himself up?

Mikey: [laughs] Yeah, I know, beating myself up about it. But again, - again, we know the invisibility cloaks are made from, what was it, demiguise? Demiguise fur and stuff like that? And they wear out, you know. It's like a fur coat, I would ascent - assume, but this, you know, this - but this is like completely different, you know? And didn't he describe it once, like it felt like water almost on his hands? And that doesn't remind me of fur at all. So like definitely you can tell now, thinking about it - and this is me thinking out loud, guys - it's completely different than any other invisibility cloak.

Andrew: Yeah, I think you're right.

Mikey: Yeah, you know. And again, we've conveniently been left out details about other invisibility cloaks. You know, up until kind of, the very end when we find out his is special.

Potter Watch

Eric: Okay, so next we have just - I mean Harry is pretty certain that his invisibility cloak is special, that the ring stone is actually in the snitch. He makes all these assumptions that are kind of convenient; I would call them unlikely. I would call them a cheap literary technique, in a way. You know, he's right only when he absolutely needs to be. Because, what, there can't be a - you know, because this is the part in the book where the plot has to go forward, so Harry has to know, just like he had to know about Godric's Hollow, you know, that sort of thing. It's just that all this stuff happens and Harry's certain that he's special and then - and what he must do. So after he figures out what we must do, Ron interrupts them, and this is a little something that I quite enjoyed. I know you guys did, too. We talked about this in London when we first read it. But J.K.R. does something really wonderful for us in - or at least we think she did.

Andrew: I - I don't know.

Eric: Oh, come on, Andrew. You're too humble.

Andrew: It just seems - it seems like a good idea on Jo's end. We're talking about Potter Watch. It seems like a good idea for them; they needed something to refresh them, to enlighten them, to give them - connect them to the outside world - a little gossip. I mean I won't say it's needed needed, but you need a little comic relief in this part of the story.

Eric: Well, it proves - I mean all that proves is that it serves the story. I still think that - I mean she not only kind of - I think - okay, I'm going to go out with my opinion - I think that it was kind of a nod to the literary discussion we had been doing, but not just us: PotterCast and all of the other sort of Harry Potter podcasts out there. All the kind of discussion all in the fandom, to have this Potter Watch, a radio show type thing, led by some of our, you know, favourite minor characters in the books. You know, I think that was a direct nod.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And not only that but she improved on what we were doing with coming up with some really cool ideas or segments.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. It is worth mentioning that when everyone read this, we got flooded with e-mails. Just, "Oh my gosh, Jo was recognizing you guys and all the other podcasts out there with Potter Watch." I guess. I mean until get more official word from her about it. It's a cool name, though, and as we're about to discuss, there are some other things going on...

Micah: And you know what's interesting, though, is that that never came up. I thought maybe at Carnegie Hall that was going to be a question that was posed to her or at least in some of the interviews that she has done since then, but, surprisingly, that question was never posed to her as to, you know, where she really got the idea for Potter Watch and if it was, sort of, a recognition of anything.

Andrew: I'll be honest with you, I wasn't really impressed by all the questions that were posed to Jo after the book came out. Except for the web chat, there was a lot of good stuff going on in there. But after that, there weren't many interviews that were really enlightening. Not blaming it on Jo. I don't know who to blame it on, but, you know, frankly, I want to hear more about the Veil, I want to hear more about specific topics like Potter - like Potter Watch isn't the most important question, but it would certainly be an interesting one, where she got the inspiration for that. But that's a side topic, you know. I digress.

Mikey: Do you think this would come up in an encyclopedia of some sorts?

Andrew: Maybe. I don't know. Potter Watch doesn't seem like encyclopedic material.

Eric: Could be. Depends on how thorough she gets once she's done writing.

Mikey: Can we have code names, Andrew?

Eric: That's...

Mikey: Can we have code names?

Andrew: Well, I'm Toots.

Mikey: You're Toots?

Andrew: Long before Book 7 came out.

Mikey: You've been Toots, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: I'm going to call you Tootsie.

Andrew: Tootsie? Nah, nah.

Mikey: Yeah, we're calling you Tootsie.

Andrew: Everyone says I'm pronouncing [pronounces like it rhymes with "boots"] Toots wrong - it should be [pronounces like Tuts] Toots, and technically that's probably right, but...

Eric: It is.

Andrew: ...I think half the joke is that I say Toots. [laughs]

Eric: There's a titled episode of MuggleCast called Toots, where you came up with that, right? Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, when I started - I made people start to call me Toots and they refused. But anyway...

The Code Names

Eric: Okay, okay. So let's move on with our amazing Latin decoding skills. Remus' code name is Romulus. Do you guys know why?

Mikey: Yes. Romulus and Remus.

Andrew: I don't know why. Why?

Eric: And who are they?

Mikey: Well, Eric, maybe you should tell us.

Eric: Oh no, dude, you guessed it. You guessed Romulus.

Mikey: Well, now that I'm all worried, now I don't want to know - they're brothers, right?

Eric: Yeah!

Micah: They're brothers raised by wolves.

Mikey: Raised by wolves and forced to kill each other, right?

Eric: No, no, maybe not. Maybe? No.

Mikey: I don't remember. One of them died. One of them killed the other.

Eric: They did something else really important, first. They founded Rome.

Mikey: Yeah, I know.

Eric: Yeah, one of them. But they were the - yeah, you're right. No, you're completely right. They were raised by wolves. They were the brothers who - or at least - I think it was Remus who named Rome after Romulus, something like that. But needless to say, they were the brothers credited with the building or founding of Rome and they were raised by wolves. So it's kind of ironic or kind of funny that Remus, his code name on this Potter Watch should be Romulus, because that's kind of a direct nod to the origin of his name, or at least in popular history. So other names, though, other code names for these characters are not as clear, kind of like Rodent. Do you guys understand Rodent as it appears to Fred or George?

Andrew: I think it’s, sort of, just like being a rat. Like, ratting out the truth. I don’t know.

Eric: Well, I think...

Andrew: It wouldn’t surprise me that Fred and George would want to be Rodent and Rapier. Rapier. [pronounces Ra-Peer]

Mikey: I thought it was Rapier. [pronounces Ray-pee-er]

Andrew: Rapier, yeah, I didn’t want to say it like that though. I don’t... [laughs]

Mikey: Rapier as in, like, the sword.

Andrew: ...I don’t know what she was going for.

Mikey: No, a rapier is a spear. It’s like - it’s the sword that you use for fencing. I think.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Mikey: At least that’s what I thought it was.

Andrew: Yeah, I’m looking it up, the definition now and, yeah, that’s what it is.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: A type of thrusting sword, so...

Mikey: Yeah, it’s the fencing type sword.

Andrew: Well, it makes sense!

Mikey: It’s a rapier.

Eric: So it's sharp, they poke fun.

Mikey: Yeah!

Andrew: They thrust the truth at you!

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I don’t know. Just, like...

Eric: They thrust the...

Andrew: There’s a million different reasons. A chief Death Eater was another, sort of - it was a nickname - well, it was a nickname but it wasn’t one of the code names. Of course, for Voldemort...

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Interesting. Is that for the taboo’s sake? Or...

Eric: Chief Death Eater?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Well, I think it’s a cool for him anyway.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It’s better than saying, "You-Know-Who, You-Know-Who. You-Know-Who this, You-Know-Who that."

Andrew: Right.

Eric: "He Who Must Not Be Named." It’s boring! Chief Death Eater![laughs] You know...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: ...it’s kind of - besides, I think that’s an honorable status, Chief Death Eater. He’s the one, you know, who has eaten death, who's actually picked it up and eaten it with a fork and spoon.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: So that works. [laughs] They also just ramble a bit about having a sixteen foot high brother. They talk about Hagrid who is now in, I guess - or, no...

Andrew: He’s on the run.

Eric: He’s on the run because he had a "Support Harry Potter" party at his house. This is one of the things I would like to see in a cut scene in Movie 7. I know some guys...

Andrew: You’ll never see it though.

Eric: You’ll never see it though.

Andrew: Never.

Eric: But, just, sort of...

Andrew: It’s a cute idea.

Eric: ...I think they should keep up with Hogwarts before we actually get the trio going there, but that’s just me. But Xeno Lovegood is in prison, a bunch of other stuff happens, Lupin is living with Tonks again, which was comforting to me, you know, because there was that falling out with Harry, Harry feels a little bit guilty about it.

Andrew: They were comforted too. They thought it was a relief too.

Back to Potter Watch

Eric: Yeah, and - okay, here's the one thing, I guess, that really made us think or really made me think that it was a nod to us, this whole Potter Watch thing. It’s because Lee Jordan, I think, makes the comment that someone could move faster than Severus Snape confronted with shampoo. Is that not a fandom joke? Or has that actually been said in the books before? I think it has.

Andrew: I don’t think it has been said in the books before, but I do remember on an episode of MuggleCast...

Micah: It was a Top 10.

Mikey: On the...

Micah: It was a Top 10 thing that we did on the show.

Andrew: Oh, yeah! That’s right.

Eric: Top 10 and then...

Andrew: And then the title was, like, Snape Doesn’t Use Shampoo. It was like a statement. Snape's Shampoo. I don’t know.

Eric: But actually, guys, we’re going to get e-mails if we don’t say this. At least on the Maurader’s Map, didn’t it say, "Moony wishes he would wash his hair, the slimy git"?

Andrew: Oh, does it? Oh gosh, that was so long ago. I forget.

Eric: Yeah, that was still so long ago. So like, there has always been a little bit of reference - I just thought that was so much, you know, kind of fun. We would all - we’ve all used that joke before, you know. So that was kind of...

Mikey: Oh yeah.

Eric: ...an identifier.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: But it was all cool. It was still cool.

Andrew: So I think that's about it for...

Eric: Yeah, basically.

Micah: Yeah, there was...

Andrew: It’s a cute...

Micah: Well, there was one thing that was said. I’m just - I’m looking it up, hold on just a second.

Andrew: Well, the one segment that they did do that I thought was kind of cool that I was thinking, like, "Hmm, how could we use this for our show?" Pals of Potter it’s called.

Eric: And what do they do during...?

Andrew: Well, the question is, "Romulus, do you maintain, as you have everytime you’ve appeared on our program, that Harry Potter is still alive?? So I guess it’s either friends - when I first read it I was like, "Oh, is this going to be, like, updates on Pals of Potter? Or is it going to be about Potter?" And, apparently, it’s just about supporting Potter.

Eric: It’s about their own, sort of, support.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, I think so.

Kingsley

Micah: This is actually the same section. It was Lee Jordan after Kingsley was talking about, you know, to help protect all the Muggles out there and Lee says, "Excellently put, Royal, and you’ve got my vote for Minister of Magic if we ever get out of this mess."

Andrew: Yeah, that was pretty funny.

Eric: Aw.

Micah: So, I thought, a little foreshadowing...

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: ...to Kingsley actually becoming Minister of Magic.

Eric: I like Kingsley.

Andrew: Oh, right!

Eric: I really like Kingsley’s actor in the movie. I really like that.

Mikey: I do.

Micah: It’s just because of that one line, man.

Eric: I know!

Andrew: "You may not like him, Minister. But you’ve got to admit, Dumbledore’s got style."

Eric: It’s just - it’s really cool.

Mikey: I love him!

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: That was the best line. I laughed out loud. That was perfect, that was so perfect. So needed in that movie.

Eric: Yeah. Well, no, that guy was also in - what was it? It’s that movie with Daniel Craig, actually, it’s - sorry, I’m totally dead air. It’s either Daniel Craig or Jason Statham. It's not - forget it, he’s in that movie though.

Andrew: You’re falling, you’re falling.

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: You’re failing. You're falling or or failing.

Eric: It’s not - it’s Layer Cake. Sorry, he’s in Layer Cake which is, you know, it’s not like Harry Potter at all. He’s a good role in that. He’s a good actor, I would like to see what else he did. But I really like the actor they cast to play Kingsley and not just because of that line but, you know, anyway.

Andrew: Well, I think that does it for Chapter-by-Chapter this week.

Mikey: Yeah.

Eric: That was easy.

Andrew: That was easy. I won’t hit the button though.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: But I mean...

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: [imitating the Easy Button] "That was easy."

Andrew: I’ve got to reach over. I’m all set up for something else. That can only mean one thing.

Quote Quiz

[Quote Quiz intro plays]

Andrew: "It is you. If they find out who they’ve got, they’re Snatchers. They’re only looking for [unintelligible] to sell for gold!" That’s from next chapter, Chapter 23, "Malfoy Manor." Nobody excited?

Mikey: Awesome.

Micah: What’s up next?

Andrew: I know what I’m excited for.

Make the Music Connection

[Make the Music Connection intro plays]

Andrew: I’ve got a few here for you guys this week.

Eric: Total meltdown.

Mikey: Oh geez.

Andrew: Total meltdown? What?

Eric: Yeah, the music. That little neeeroo....

Andrew: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eric: It’s really cool.

Andrew: All right, well, for Make the Music Connection this week I’ve got an e-mail with some ideas. It came from Sarah, 22 of Austin, Texas, and she sent in a couple of fun things for the show. But I wanted to play her ideas for songs this week because I thought they were pretty good choices and she has explanations for all of them. So who wants to go first?

Mikey: I will.

Andrew: Mikey? Okay.

Mikey: I’m excited. I can do this.

Andrew: Here’s a little classic rock for you.

Micah: There you go.

["Center My Love" by Journey begins playing]

Andrew: "Center My Love" by Journey.

Mikey: Okay. No, no, I know. Journey. There’s a few things I can think of, this one. But, you know, if we go through it I really see this as the Mirror of Erised, Harry seeing his family. Not just seeing her, his mom, but his whole family. His mom and dad, you know, his love.

Andrew: Aw.

Mikey: I can see it because, you know, again, you know, Dumbledore has to stop him from continuing to go there because it’s what he’s yearning for and this song is about yearning for, you know - to tell someone that you love them, so...

Andrew: Aw, that's so sweet.

[Music stops]

Mikey: What did Sarah say, though? I’m a little - I want to know what she...

Andrew: Sarah said, "It’s so perfect for Harry’s feelings about Ginny when he's on his Horcux hunt and so lonely."

Mikey: I - you know, I was going to bring that up but that seemed like too obvious of one. You know what I mean?

Andrew: Oh, don’t hurt our listeners!

Mikey: No...

[Eric laughs]

Mikey: No, but Sarah - no, no, it made perfect sense and I really like the song because, again, the song could be used for multiple things in it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Definitely the Harry and Ginny thing. That’s, you know - but I like the idea that it can go back, all the way back to the first book and the Mirror of Erised.

Eric: I like that, Mikey.

Andrew: All right, Eric, I think this next song probably works best for you.

["I'll Be There For You" by the Rembrandts starts playing]

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: "I’ll Be There For You" by the Rembrandts made famous by Friends, of course.

Eric: [laughs] This is not just the theme from Friends, Andrew. This is also the theme from the D.A. This is Dumbledore’s Army theme because...

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: ...you know that they are loyal to each other. Every time - I mean Harry can’t stop them from coming up to him and being like, "How can we help?" You know, Dumbledore - I mean, sorry, Neville and Luna, man, they are there for him. You know? They are there for him. That’s amazing. This is the D.A. theme because they’re all really - they’re all into that. They all fight battles together and, you know, they deal with it all.

[Music ends]

Eric: Yeah, it’s the D.A. theme. I’m thinking particularly of Neville’s loyalty but mostly the, you know, the whole D.A. is really, you know - they were a good group of friends.

Andrew: All right, fair enough. I like that.

Mikey: Very cool.

Eric: What does she say?

Andrew: I had a picture of the Friends intro being re-done to the Harry Potter...

Eric: Yeah, with them in front of the fountain.

Mikey: Yeah, totally!

Andrew: Right, right. Just them in the Room of Requirement. Cafe in the Room of Requirement.

Micah: Well, I have a lot to live up to now. Those were two really good...

Mikey: Aw, but Micah...

Micah: ...explanations.

Mikey: You're Micah! You're Micah Tan the Anchorman!

Eric: What did she say in the e-mail, Andrew?

Andrew: Her idea was it's a great trio theme song. So, yeah, I mean...

Mikey: Friends. Yeah.

Andrew: You matched her pretty well. All right. So, Micah, you're next here.

["I'll Stand By You" by The Pretenders begins playing]

Andrew: "I'll Stand By You" by The Pretenders.

Micah: And I would have to say this is when all of the ghosts surround Harry and he is walking into the forest.

[Music ends]

Mikey: Wow.

Andrew: Aw, that's so sweet! Aw! I love picturing these and thinking like they're amazing.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: That's a good one.

Micah: So...

Andrew: I like that a lot.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Her idea was it's good for Harry and Ginny or Hermione and Ron. I like your idea better, Micah. I have to be honest. That would make me cry. I'm tearing up just thinking about it.

Eric: Yeah. You know, the antithesis of this song is "Don't Stand So Close to Me" by Sting. You know.

Andrew: Is it really?

Eric: Another good song.

Andrew: I don't even know what that word means.

Mikey: You know, I like Sting and The Police. I really do.

Eric: They're really good.

Mikey: A lot.

Eric: Shout out to Sting and The Police.

Mikey: The Police. "Message in a Bottle." I love you. Anyway...

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