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Jim Dale: [as Professor McGonagall] "This is Professor McGonagall welcoming you all to MuggleCast hoping you all enjoyed - Dobby! Dobby, come here! Here! Dobby!" [as Dobby] "Yes, I'd just like to say how very pleased I am to introduce MuggleCast to all of you! Thank you! Thank you!"
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Micah: Because Eric's number crunching makes us go, "HUH?!", this is MuggleCast Episode 144 for May 4th, 2008.
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Eric: Hey, guys!
Laura: Hey, Eric!
Matt: Hey, Eric!
Andrew: Hey, Eric!
Eric: I'm looking here at MuggleNet, and I see this release date of November 19th, 2010 for Movie 7 Part 1.
Andrew: Wow. That's a really long time away.
[Micah and Laura laugh]
Eric: It is. It's like two years, Andrew.
Andrew: I misspoke. I should have said, "far away."
Eric: [laughs] So. What I wanted to say regarding this wonderful, long, far away, release date is that, well, it's a really far time away. And I decided to...
Eric: ...figure out how far away it actually was.
Andrew: How far away is it, Eric?
Eric: It is 728 days between Film 6 and Film 7, part 1. Which is exactly twice as long as we had to wait between Films 1 and 2.
Matt: I feel like I'm in class.
Andrew: Is that exactly down to the day?
Eric: It is.
Matt: Will this be on the test, professor?
Eric: In fact - in fact, it's a 44% increase on wait time for the seventh film's first part than it was for average wait times between Films 1 through 6.
Andrew: You lost me, okay, guys?
Laura: I just pretty much calculated that I'll be almost twenty-two by the time this is released. So...
Andrew: Ah, you'll be old! Ha!
Laura: You're not that far behind me, my friend. [laughs]
Andrew: Well, speaking of that, there's lots of fun news to talk about this week, and we have a ton of e-mails. And lots of other fun stuff to get to today. So let's...
Andrew: ...kick it off. I'm Andrew Sims.
Eric: I'm Eric Scull.
Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.
Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
Matt: And I'm Matthew Britton.
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Andrew: All right, well, as Eric kicked off the show with - Micah, there's some fun news to talk about this week. First, the release date, right?
Micah: Yeah, as Eric has mentioned earlier, the first part of Deathly Hallows is going to be coming out on November 19th of 2010, and, as Andrew mentioned in the post on MuggleNet.com, David Heyman mentioned that part two will be released in May of 2011. So, Eric, with all of these calculations there, that's a considerable amount of time to wait between Movie 6 and Movie 7 part 1, don't you think?
Eric: I agree, Micah, and I - just for good measure, because I was really into the maths today, I decided to figure out, sort of, how it would relate if we received the second part of Movie 7 in May, and, in fact, I realized that May 13th is a Friday. So, I thought that would be a wonderful date for my hypothetical estimations to say that Book - sorry - Movie 7, part 2 would be released Friday the 13th, of May, 2011. Going by David Heyman's words and the idea that Friday the 13th is cool. That said, very interestingly, there are 175 days, then, in that case, between Book - Movie 7 part 1, and Movie 7 part 2, which is, you guessed it, half the time between films 1 and 2 that we had to wait. So, we're - as far as waiting times go, we are going to have to wait two years and then half a year.
Andrew: Yeah, I mean - Well, first of all, this news isn't really a surprise to anyone. I mean, it was...
Andrew: ...kind of random because Coming Soon reported it first, at, like, 3 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. Luckily, Matt was checking Coming Soon at midnight his time and we were the first to post about it, but it's not that unexpected, really. It's not that big of a news story, I mean, so we don't have to do dwell on it. We knew it was coming out in November.
Matt: Well, it's pretty much obvious because every single November release has been released around the same week.
Andrew: Yeah, you're right.
Matt: Because wasn't - Goblet of Fire was released on November 18, 2005.
Andrew: And I remember the first and second movies, I think, were released on the 21st, and the 20th or something?
Eric: No, the 16th and the 15th of November.
Andrew: Oh, okay.
Matt: Okay, it's mid of every November.
Andrew: Yeah. So, with that said, I mean, the movies have come out mid-month, too. So, I mean Order of the Phoenix came out the 13th.
Eric: You mean the books?
Andrew: No, no. Order of the Phoenix the movie came out the 13th. July 13th.
Matt: What I'm really anxious to see is how Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, the two part-er, does along the Hobbit, Part 1 and Part 2, because they're both going to be released in the same months.
Andrew: I think they appeal to very different audiences, personally.
Matt: I mean, they're both fantasy movies.
Andrew: Right, but The Hobbit doesn't really appeal to kids, whereas Harry Potter does, I don't think. Right?
Matt: Well. I - I don't know. I can probably argue with you on that, but...
Eric: That's really interesting, Matt, as far as The Hobbit goes. I didn't know that they had been confirmed yet for release dates.
Matt: Well, they haven't been confirmed for exact release dates, but they have been confirmed for which season they are going to be released, and it's the same seasons as Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.
Eric: Hm, that makes me nervous.
Micah: My other question on this, though, is why wouldn't you expand it out a little bit, sort of go with the whole summer movie blockbuster scenario for the second part of Deathly Hallows? Why release it in May?
Matt: Well, May is usually the start of the summer.
Eric: May is the new June, Micah.
Andrew: It's true.
Matt: It kind of is, almost. But yeah, a lot of the movies - either they start in May or they start in July. The big blockbuster movies.
Eric: Yeah, Matt's right, and if you're looking at it, I mean this May, for instance, tomorrow Iron Man comes out and the next week is...
Matt: Indiana Jones.
Eric: Indiana Jones, Prince Caspian.
Matt: Yes. It's a huge month...
Eric: All the big movies sort of are - May's the new June.
Andrew: And Warner Brothers may have plans for some other movies coming out later that summer, too.
Micah: That's true.
Andrew: Plus, I don't know if you want to make Potter fans wait any longer than six months for the final film. So...
Matt: Yeah, anything longer than six months people are going to start to lose interest.
Micah: But what about the time that's in between Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows? I mean, just looking at that, you look at Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince, there's not a huge gap in between those two films...
Andrew: It's about a year and a half.
Micah: ...whereas with the sixth and the seventh...
Eric: It's 468 days.
Matt: Yeah, and it has been...
Micah: It's a little bit longer.
Matt: ...pretty - just the year itself, it's been kind of slow for news anyway.
Andrew: It is pretty...
Laura: ...what are we going to do for two years?
Andrew: ...crazy. That is - I mean...
Matt: There's always been a two year gap every other film, too. So it's not really that big of a difference. It's just a little bit longer than we're used to...
Matt: ...by just a few months.
Eric: Kind of, and you have to think they kind of are producing - they're kind of producing twice as much content.
Andrew: They are. They're going to shoot it at the same time. So...
Andrew: I think they're going to have both films near completion by the time the first one comes out.
Eric: Depending on CGI and stuff. They'll obviously...
Andrew: Well, yeah.
Eric: ...have to complete all...
Eric: ...the stuff for the first one.
Matt: ...they're just not going to have any time for rest. It's not really that difficult to do. It's basically just a longer film just by a couple months of principal photography.
Eric: Well, I mean Micah was right. The time between, what, Movie 5 and how long we're waiting until Movie 6, is actually the second shortest time that we've had to wait. Now I remember listening to commentary on Chamber of Secrets and basically, the day after the premiere, everyone was back in the studio, including Chris Columbus and all the lead actors. You know, basically really heavily working on, you know, pounding on COS. So it was, you know - that was obviously the fastest turn around and all these movies now are obviously a lot more complex and certainly like that. So it's been fast. It'll be tough to wait the two years.
Andrew: So what else is going on in the news, Micah?
Micah: Well, just kind of to wrap that part up, talking about the movies. Order of the Phoenix is going to premiere on HBO on June 22nd...
Micah: ...at 9:00 PM.
Micah: Yeah and...
Micah: ...just wanted to get it out there.
Laura: We'll all be watching, I'm sure.
Andrew: Who cares though? I mean, we all have the DVDs. Who cares?
Eric: Well, I care because it reminded me of my favorite - one of my favorite "Micah Moments" during the news. It was one of the first twenty shows, I don't know which one, but Micah said, "or if you have one of the 800 HBO stations, it will air several hundred times throughout the month."
Micah: There you go.
[Eric and Laura laugh]
Micah: I do remember that.
Andrew: Well, I guess...
Eric: Good joke.
Andrew: ...the one sort of exciting thing, I don't know what kind of difference it'll make, but it will be broadcast in HD, the show schedule says. So maybe it could be a cool thing to see if you don't have Blu-ray or HD DVD, which I don't think is that...
Matt: I don't really...
Eric: I like watching HD TV.
Matt: ...like watching the Harry Potter films on television, because they always broadcast them in full-screen mode.
Andrew: Yeah, but it did say high-definition, so...
Andrew: ...I think HBO is changed now. If you watch HBO HD, you'll see why.
Matt: Yeah, I kind of agree with that, too.
Eric: Yeah, doesn't...
Matt: I wouldn't mind...
Andrew: ABC does it.
Matt: ABC does it. They just - didn't they just premiere Goblet of Fire?
Eric: Well don't - I think they do the films once a year uncut, like with certain deleted scenes left in.
Andrew: Yeah on ABC Family they do that sort of...
Matt: ...and they usually do that during the holiday season.
Andrew and Eric: Yeah.
Eric: That's really cool.
Micah: And of course the "Making Of" as well, for the people who missed out on that.
Micah: I always find that more interesting than the movie to be honest, but...
Andrew: The Order of the Phoenix Making Of was very, very cool. Everyone...
Andrew: ...was more excited about seeing that than the trailer because you watch this and it had a ton of cool, cool...
Andrew: ...information and shots.
Matt: ...they did go further behind-the-scenes than any of the other films before.
Matt: It would be kind of cool though to see what kind of promos they do on HBO for the film, because they always do those little teasers and stuff with it.
Eric: Yeah. Speaking of, do we have confirmation on the teaser - whether it'll be in what Speed - well, Speed Racer is...
Eric: ...is actually worse than that...
Eric: Do we know if it's going to be with Prince Caspian? Or...
Andrew: No, and apparently some people at WB don't even know, so I don't know what's going on with that. [laughs]
Micah: If you were a betting man, Andrew, you would say that some people at WB don't know?
Andrew: If I was a betting man, I would say some people - I don't know. I haven't checked. If I was a betting man, I would say I haven't checked in the past week, but it's kind of - it's like, get on with it, already. [laughs] They are really...
Matt: Well, so far, this is the film that has the longest wait for a teaser out of all the films.
Andrew: They're just being a big tease, WB.
Matt: Yeah, it is. This is the biggest tease. It better be a freaking good trailer, too.
Eric: I can't wait for the music.
Laura: Well, it's going to be a teaser trailer, so those aren't usually that fantastic.
Micah: I expect mediocrity.
Andrew: Well, there is apparently a leaked script of the trailer. It was floating around on IMDB, and if that's the real trailer, woo-ee, look out.
Andrew: It's going to be good, it's going to be good.
Matt: It's awesome. But they never prove to be true anyways, so...
Andrew: Well, no, that's not true. I mean, there have been leaked copies of the Half-Blood Prince script leak online that were real.
Matt: Well, that's true, but that's not a trailer.
Eric: Did you...
Andrew: Well, you know, what do you think there's a better chance of leaking online? The script or the teaser trailer?
Matt: I don't know.
Andrew: The teaser trailer. I mean, it's got to be viewed by some people by now. You never know. We'll see, though. Micah, what else is going on?
Micah: What else? Let's see, all the way back on April 25, Warner Brothers Consumer Products and the Becker Group announced Harry Potter the Exhibition, which is going to be a state of the art exhibition highlighting artifacts from the Warner Brothers films based on J.K. Rowling's beloved book series. This is going to be a ten thousand square foot exhibition, and it's going to start touring in the spring of 2009.
Andrew: How cool is this? This is amazing. This is amazing. Because we've always been wondering, what are they going to do with all the sets and the props and stuff once they're done filming? And here's the answer. They're going to be going on this tour.
Eric: Well, that reminds me, too. I mean, the coolest thing about this exhibition - it's supposed to last I think for five years, the article said, and go to ten cities, ten major cities, around the world. Now the cool thing about it is that they're actually going to be adding props to it...
Eric: ...as they get done with Movies 6 and 7, so it will be kind of...
Andrew: It will be changing.
Eric: Yeah, it will be changing, you know, kind of evolving.
Matt: What are you guys looking forward to seeing on the exhibition?
Matt: If you get - when we get to go.
Andrew: I don't know. Well...
Matt: What kind of prop would you like to see from the films?
Eric: Well, Matt you live - you know where Burbank is. How far are you from Burbank?
Matt: Not that far. Not that far at all.
Eric: Because the Warner Brothers - the studio lot there - they do a studio tour, and when we were in California the first time, for the Podcast Awards in 2006, I went with a few members of Leaky, I actually posed as Ben Schoen, and went and saw - they have an exhibition there of Harry Potter - well, first of all, they have the flying Ford Anglia, which was recovered after it was stolen, and then they have a bunch of props. They have things like this exhibition kind of seems like they would have very similar things, but obviously, it doesn't all fit in Burbank. They had a whole sort of top floor of a building dedicated to it, and it had costumes and wands and certain artifacts of the like, but I just think this is going to be much more massive. But that studio tour does, in fact, exist, with Harry Potter props already.
Andrew: Yeah, but I mean, the thing about this is this is dedicated to Harry - ten thousand square feet. That's gigantic.
Matt: That's huge.
Andrew: And I'm looking at the teaser site right now, and they have a couple of pictures, which I guess would offer some hints. They have like a little slideshow playing, and they have a picture of the Goblet of Fire, the Marauder's Map with Harry's glasses and Harry's wand, I guess that is, and they have pictures on it from Order of the Phoenix, and Goblet of Fire, and Prisoner of Azkaban. They have a picture of Buckbeak coming up. So I think you're going to see all of that. I mean, the things that...
Matt: Yeah. I'm really excited to see if they have like - like the Mirror of Erised, that prop in there.
Andrew: Well, see, here's the thing: you know they have all that still.
Matt: Well, yeah, that's what I mean. Like, knowing from all the props they have in all the films, I mean ten thousand square feet! Is that how much...
Andrew: It could be amazing. It really could be amazing.
Matt: That's like a mile.
Eric: I know, right? Here's the...
Matt: I'm bad at math.
Eric: Here's the comparison for me. My apartment is two hundred fifty square feet, so... [laughs]
Andrew: Well, let's put it in perspective, something we all know the size of. Like - like - Micah what's the size of, like, a football field, do you know?
Eric: A hundred yards long.
Micah: A hundred yards? That's not going to help us in terms of square feet, though.
Eric: Well, that's three hundred feet by...
Andrew: Maybe if you keep eating you'll have the answer for us.
Micah: What's that?
Andrew: I said maybe if you keep eating you'll have the answer for us.
Laura: Well, I have to ask, you said that they showed Buckbeak on there. Didn't they do some animatronic work with Buckbeak in the third film? It wasn't all CGI, was it?
Andrew: Yeah, no, they actually have two Buckbeaks on set.
Laura: I was going to say, it would be cool if they set one or two of those up in the exhibit and like, actually had them moving and stuff.
Laura: That would be really cool.
Andrew: They have on set - they still have - they have Aragog, Buckbeak, and they have to create real ones because in order for them to turn into CGI they have to scan it first, and - but they still have to do every little detail of the character. So what you're seeing in the movie was actually physically created first.
Andrew: But then it's just transformed into CGI.
Eric: That's so cool.
Andrew: So, there is so much they can do with this, and this is so exciting.
Eric: Really excited.
Andrew: I hope it starts in L.A. It has to start in L.A. right?
Andrew: Where else could it start? The only other hint was that this company that's working with Warner Brothers is based in Baltimore, so I'm like, oh great, if they start in Baltimore...
Laura: Oh! Well then, cool.
Andrew: Like, I know Laura likes that idea.
Andrew: But yeah, that's cool. What else is going on, Micah?
Micah: Probably the - the biggest piece of news this week was the last couple of days, today actually, while we're recording that Harry Potter has left the New York Times Bestseller List for the first time in more than a decade.
Andrew: Well, not more than a decade. It's just under a decade.
Micah: Oh, just under a decade.
Andrew: But the most interesting thing about the story is that - is people's reactions. 'Cause if you look at the comments on MuggleNet, people are describing it as the end of an era. What else are people saying?
Eric: People are flipping out.
Andrew: Well, that's depressing!
Laura: I wish people would stop being so dramatic.
Eric: It is really the beginning of the end.
Andrew: Yeah, it's the beginning of the end. And I knew people were going to say stuff like this. That's why I put at the end, "Once J. K. Rowling's Potter encyclopedia is released, we're sure Potter will make a comeback."
Eric: Oh yeah!
Andrew: But it's like, come on everyone! Did you even know it was on the Bestseller List?
Andrew: I mean, if it fell off the list, nobody would have said anything. Nobody would have called it the end. It just would've...
Micah: Is that the longest running series on the Bestseller List?
Andrew: It must be.
Eric: It must be. And if you look at what the article is it says that - I mean it basically defined - You know, one list was created for children's books, which it would push off too because they were hogging the adult books list, you know, according to whoever, and then it was hogging the children's list, so they moved it to children's series. They basically created these lists.
Eric: This article tracks the books sort of through time on the New York Times lists, and it's really interesting. Good article.
Andrew: It's a shame but it had to come, as the blog said. There had to be a time where it would come. And who's buying the Potter books right now? I mean, once you get - just imagine the next few decades of kids who are going to be introduced to Potter. I mean, it's still selling well...
Matt: Oh yeah.
Andrew: ...just not like crazy. Like new books are right now. So, it's not the end. Come on. Come on! How could this...
Eric: Well, even the article says...
Laura: Relax, people. That's what we're trying to say.
Eric: Yeah, even the article does say, I mean, they're - they say - they predicted when the movie comes out, like when Movie 6 comes out, it might like, peak back or pop back in, that sort of thing.
Andrew: Yeah. I could see that.
Andrew: I could see that.
Andrew: I just wish people wouldn't call it... the end, and it's like - it's like, should we even post it on MuggleNet because you're going to have people who are like "Oh, it's the end, forget this. I'm not trusting..."
Eric: "I give up."
Andrew: "...I'm not posting - I'm not - yeah, I'm not visiting the fan sites anymore."
Eric: "No reason to live. No reason to live."
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Andrew: Well, let's not go that far.
Laura: Hey, there were people who were saying that right before the seventh book came out too.
Eric: Oh, we were saying that too.
Micah: Well, why don't you look at it as the fact that it was up there for a decade?
Andrew: Ten years. Yeah, come on.
Eric: Yeah, you know, I...
Micah: Don't look at the down side of it.
Micah: Look at the up side of it.
Micah: The fact that it's probably the longest running series ever on that New York Times Bestseller list.
Andrew: The glass is half full. Right, Micah?
Laura: Well, exactly.
Micah: Come on.
Eric: We have hope.
Micah: Stop whining.
Eric: We have all these new release dates. We have - I mean, if you look at it - both the books lasted ten years from 1997 to 2007, and the movies are going to last ten years too, from 2001 to 2011, so big strong periods of time.
Andrew: Mhm. And speaking about that, there's some themepark news. Right, Micah?
Micah: Yeah. There is some themepark news. Hogsmeade is starting to be built...
Micah: ...at the Wizarding World of Harry Potter. I know it's very exciting. All right, let's move on.
Andrew: Well, yeah. There's not much to say here, but it is the first physical...
Micah: There's not much to see either.
Andrew: Well, there's a... [laughs].
Andrew: But it's the first physical piece of the themepark. It's the first...
Matt: Yeah, distinct...
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. I mean there's going to be so many pictures flying around of construction over the next year or two.
Laura: Oh, yeah.
Andrew: It's going to be - like we're going to go there and be like pft, so what? We've seen it all a million times already. [laughs] They should shroud the whole thing in a giant tent. Now that would be cool. That would be exciting.
Eric: Pictures of the giant tent.
Andrew: But it's interesting. We've been receiving a few rumors about the themepark. One that's interesting is saying the entire Lost Continent area will close in early 2009 to make room for the Wizarding World, so it can be a little bigger.
Micah: Now, what's in the Lost Continent? Is that Jurassic Park?
Andrew: Yeah, I was just going to ask Laura, because you've been to Universal, right?
Laura: Yeah, it's just - the reason why I think they're using it is, honestly, the pre-existing structures of the area will be very easy to transform into the whole Harry Potter thing, just because it's all very - it actually reminds me a lot of Lord of the Rings, to be honest. It's not specifically tailored that way because, obviously, they couldn't, but just like the way it's built and the very - just the whole fantasy atmosphere of it really screams Lord of the Rings, so that's why I think they're using it. But what's there right now is the Dueling Dragons, which is a roller coaster.
Andrew: And that - let me just stop you for a second - that one seems like it's definitely going to be converted to Potter. That's what the rumors are saying, so...
Laura: Good, because that is an awesome roller coaster, I will say.
Andrew: [laughs] Cool.
Laura: So I'm really glad they're using that still, and then there's also - I believe this is part of that same part. It's an Atlantis type thing, where you go inside of this huge castle, but it's really lame because it's just a show and you stand there and watch and it's stupid.
Andrew: Is it the Voyage of Sinbad?
Laura: No, that's actually a show.
Laura: I think.
Andrew: ...and there was another rumor sent into us saying that that was going to be converted into a Potter show too.
Laura: I wouldn't be surprised. I mean...
Laura: It's just like a show arena. I mean, they wouldn't have to do that much to it.
Andrew: We'll see what happens. We'll keep you updated, ladies and gents.
Micah: That's all the news.
Andrew: That's all the news. Thanks, Micah.
Andrew: Some other announcements: It is now May. Happy May, everyone.
Andrew: Don't forget - before I get to the announcements - Andrew Simsís nineteenth birthday bash is showing up - is soon, May 23rd. Please mail all of your money to the P.O. Box. We'll get to that later.
Eric: You means Pickles.
Laura: Yeah, and I just...
Micah: You know people actually will.
Laura: I will accidentally forget to mail it to you. Just hold on to it. Andrew and
Andrew: Laura, that's - that's illegal...
Andrew: ...if the mail's addressed to me and you open it.
Laura: Maybe. [laughs]
Andrew: That's illegal.
Micah: [laughs] Maybe.
Andrew: So, because it is a new month, don't forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley. It's MuggleCast May! So you have to vote. Also, a new thing here: some of you may have heard of Twitter. It's a growing online community where you just - it's like Facebook statuses, only you update it frequently. You can only write in 140 characters per update, and MuggleCast has a Twitter now, so you can follow this Twitter and you'll be updated on when there are new episodes of the show released, and also when we will be doing live shows - live on the Internet. So, if you want to be updated and hear about the latest MuggleCast news as soon as we know it, then follow the MuggleCast Twitter account. It's Twitter.com/MuggleCast. You can get a free account at Twitter.com, and follow Matt and I, too. We like being followed on Twitter.
Matt: Yeah. Are - are you guys on Twitter yet?
Andrew: Yeah, you guys got to get with it. Come on, it's the latest Internet craze.
Eric: Somebody told me the "tweeted" Twitter. Tweeted MuggleCast Twitter, and I was like, "I miss Tweety Bird."
Andrew: Yeah, it's - "tweet" is the new like, "I'm going to Google that." You can be like, "Oh, I'm going to tweet about that."
Andrew: So it's Twitter. Tweet. Yeah, I don't like "tweet" very well.
Andrew: Mason thought of "twitch." Like, "I'll twitch you later."
Eric: I can totally see Mason doing that.
Andrew: Yeah. All right, so that's all for announcements. Let's move on to Muggle Mail now. Who wants to take the first one?
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