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Jim Dale: [as Professor McGonagall] This is Professor McGonagall welcoming you all to MuggleCast hoping you all enjoyed - Dobby! Dobby, come here! Here! Dobby! [as Dobby] Yes, I'd just like to say how very pleased I am to introduce MuggleCast to all of you! Thank you! Thank you!
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Micah: Because we're yarning for some new Half-Blood Prince news - who comes up with this stuff? This is MuggleCast Episode 145 for May 11th, 2008.
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Andrew: It's time for another MuggleCast, and Matt's going to kick off the show with a story!
Matt: That is right. Okay, guys. I got a story to tell you because I almost thought I wasn't going to be on the show this week. It turns out that a couple of days ago my San Diego police department actually raided the entire school - the dorms and the fraternities - for drugs, and...
Matt: ...about 96, I think, people, were arrested for marijuana and all the other drugs and stuff. I mean it's insane!
Andrew: What's marijuana?
Matt: I don't know. And I got a call in the next couple of hours after they did the raid from an officer asking if they could talk to me, and so I called them back and the officer asked me if I worked on a website and I answered, "Why, yes I do, actually." And he goes, "Is it entitled Harry Pothead?" And I go, "No, it's a Harry Potter website." And he goes, "Well, I have reason to believe that you are helping selling drugs with the Harry Potter website called Harry Pothead." [laughs] And I started freaking out, like, "No, no, no, no, no, no! No, no! It's a Harry Potter website; we're Harry Potter geeks. We don't do anything but talk about Harry Potter!" And then all of a sudden I started hearing laughing in the background, and it was my dad!
Andrew and Micah: Oh!
Matt: My dad got somebody from work to call me, and they had me on speaker in front of the entire conference room!
Matt: [laughs] His entire work was...
Matt: ...listening to me.
Eric: ...you've been...
Micah: Ah, I like your dad.
Eric: Yeah, I like your dad too.
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Matt: [laughs] My dad's a jerk. It's cool, it's cool. I mean I did tell the officer though, that I would never do drugs because, you know, MuggleCast is my anti-drug after all anyways.
Andrew: Bingo. Bingo.
Matt: Yeah, so there's my story.
Andrew: So that's something. Matt, when I first heard about that San Diego story, I seriously thought I may never speak to you again.
Andrew: Well, because it was close to 100 kids. I mean, you know.
Matt: So, you thought I was one of them?
Andrew: Based on the way you act on the show sometimes, yes.
Andrew: I wouldn't put it past you.
Matt: [laughs] Well, can't argue with that.
Andrew: Sorry. Anyway, we have a jam-packed show this week. So, we need to get right into it. I'm Andrew Sims.
Eric: I'm Eric Sober.
Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
Matt: And I'm Matthew Britton.
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Andrew: All right, Micah. Hit us with the news this week. What's going on?
Micah: Lots of news this week, surprisingly.
Andrew: [sings] Hallelujah!
Micah: I know last couple of weeks we've been a little bit of a drought.
Andrew: Roller coaster effect, remember?
Micah: And we can thank BBC illegally flying a helicopter...
Micah: ...over Leavesden Studios for the first piece of news.
[Andrew and Matt laugh]
Eric: Can we prove it was illegal? Did they...?
Andrew: No, it's not illegal.
Micah: I can't prove it's illegal. But I'm pretty sure it's not legal.
Matt: What's with all this legal issues with Harry Potter news so far?
Andrew: Well, I don't think it's illegal. I mean - and if it was, WB would've had it taken down by now.
Andrew: For all we know, WB could have asked them to do this.
Matt: Yeah. Well I mean, it's something. I mean, they're not going to give us any publicity stuff for the film.
Micah: Well, maybe they just didn't film anything that was of any big issue to WB.
Andrew: Well, yeah. So, set up the story a little more, Micah. What did they do, exactly?
Micah: Well, they put about a two-and-a-half minute video online that people can go check out. And they have arial shots of certain places that are clearly identifiable and then some other pieces of sets that we're not quite sure what they are. I mean, certain things that you can easily make out are Privet Drive, Hagrid's Hut, and then Hogwarts Express, with the actual station stop.
Eric: Hogsmeade Station.
Micah: Hogsmeade Station. But some of the others are up in the air. I mean, you can kind of take a guess as to what they are. Based off of, I think - didn't we get some Order of the Phoenix DVD previews? In one of the shots that they had, it looks similar to the set that was shown in this video that I thought was the orphanage. I forget who was talking during that video clip from the DVD, but they were actually showing part of the orphanage set.
Andrew: I think that was Stewart Craig, the set designer. I know what you're talking about.
Andrew: And I did see that too...
Matt: In that video thing? Yeah. That was Stewart Craig.
Andrew: ...in the DVD previews.
Micah: So, I think that was sort of the one where they were overhead. It almost looked like a long corridor.
Micah: And on either side there were a bunch of little buildings.
Eric: Yeah, there was also, what - there was a court yard at Hogwarts, clearly.
Eric: And wasn't there...
Micah: Oh, right.
Eric: ... - wasn't it the Burrow? Or....
Matt: Yeah, I think it's the bureau. Or, the Burrow.
Andrew: The bureau?
Eric: The big, tall vanity. Whether....
Micah: Wrong series.
Eric: Yeah, wrong series. And it kind of reminds me of the Borrowers with Tom Felton. But it's the Burrow [laughs].
Andrew: Yeah, and you know what's weird is that, well, people were saying that's the Gaunts' House. And that was only because CBBC was calling it the Gaunts' House. But I think that was just Lizo [pronounces Lee-zo] just trying to take a wild guess. But...
Eric: Lizo. [pronounces Lie-zo]
Matt: I think it has to be the bureau because it has, you know...
Andrew: You said it again!
Eric: Burrow. [laughs]
Matt: I said bureau! I mean Burrow.
Andrew: It's the Burrow. It's not the bureau. That's a vanity, bureau. Like you sit in front of the mirror and you put make up on.
Eric: You put clothes inside a bur - a bureau.
Andrew: What have you been doing this week, Matt?
Matt: Geez, I've been sick all week, sorry. Give me a break.
Eric: You work at the Gap, don't you?
Micah: It's all the drugs he hasn't been able to elude from the police officer.
Matt: A bureau is not a vanity, either, but...
Micah: Part of the reason why I still question the whole Gaunts' house is because we haven't heard any sort of casting news, as far as...
Eric: The Gaunts.
Micah: ...those people being cast for Half-Blood Prince.
Andrew: Yeah, you're right.
Eric: Merope, Morphine, and Marvolo Gaunt.
Andrew: And I'll tell you why Betting-Man Andrew would say this is the Burrow. Because...
Andrew: ...Betting-Man Andrew would bet that there is tall grass around the Burrow in this season.
Matt: And there's also a barn.
Andrew: Yeah, I don't get the barn...
Eric: It looks like a shed.
Andrew: It looks like a shed.
Eric: It looks like a greenhouse, like a silo. I figured it's a shed.
Andrew: It's probably...
Matt: It's probably a barn. I mean, you could probably put CGI barn around it or something.
Eric: Well, that's the other thing. I was wondering why the Burrow was - I mean, it's only like the first level, or so, and then it kind of cuts off. I guess the rest is CGI.
Eric: And the other thing is, too, there's something that looks like it might be a narrow lane with trees, or something, completely covered by blue screen, in this video, in Hagrid's hut, is as well. In a lot of these sets, they really only need a - You guys have seen Privet Drive where all the other houses are hollowed out? Like, a lot of these are exterior shots.
Andrew: Those are just the back of the houses because we don't need those.
Eric: You won't see them and it's really cool. I love set work. I love looking at this kind of stuff from...
Andrew: Yeah, yeah.
Micah: Well, the trees, though, that could definitely be the Gaunts' house, if in fact they're filming it, because I don't really think that will apply to the orphanage, because obviously the orphanage is in the middle of the city and we know that they've already filmed Slughorn's house.
Matt: But that house looks so familiar to the Burrow, too.
Andrew: I think it is the Burrow.
Eric: He said it right.
Andrew: I think you're right. Mat: It just has...
Andrew: I just wonder...
Matt: ...the grass and everything.
Andrew: I just wonder about the timing of this video because it just seems like it was a BBC chopper just flying across Hertfordshire one day and happened to catch a glimpse of the sets and be like, "Oh, this could be good to film." Or was this planned? [laughs]
Matt: It looks like it had to have been planned because look at all the footage he got from it. It doesn't look like they were just passing through.
Andrew: Oh, no, no, no, no, but I'm saying they were passing through on another assignment and were like, "Hm, this would be good to put on later." So, they took, like, 20 minutes.
Eric: I don't know that it matters.
Andrew: It doesn't matter, I just wonder why is this the only - why is this our best look at Half-Blood Prince at this point? [laughs]
Eric: Yeah, we haven't really gotten any of those promos, any kind of special images, anything...
Eric: ...at this point.
Matt: We got yarn.
Eric: We're only - Well, we are half a year away, still. Six months away.
Andrew: Well, I guess since Matt talked about that let's...
Matt: Oh, I'm sorry.
Andrew: ...mention that next, Micah. No, no it's fine.
Micah: Well, I know absolutely nothing about this so I'm going to defer to Andrew about the yarn.
Andrew: There's this site, OpalSockYarn.com, and they're a yarn company. And if you look around their site they do different yarn themes. Like for example, there's Rainforest, and there's different birds on each type of yarn collection and it represents the colors of the bird or the rainforest creature. So some time this past week they added a category called Harry Potter Fall '08, and if you look there are eight yarn - what are they called? What's the collection of yarn called?
Andrew: Spools. Yeah, thank you.
Andrew: Yarn spool. And each one has a different Harry Potter character, but if you look at these pictures, these are pictures from Half-Blood Prince, and on each yarn spool label it says Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince in German. Now, I'll tell you why these are legitimate, because one of them has a picture of Tonks on it, and it's got a new - Tonks has a new hairstyle. It's a - what would be a good way...
Matt: It's a little bit - it's kind of reminiscent of a Demi Moore haircut when it was short.
Andrew: Okay, good.
Matt: Like a boyish haircut.
Andrew: Yeah, it's sort of boyish. Yeah. And this one proves it's legit because - well, I mean I guess I can't prove anything, but I'm just saying if I was a betting man, in this Burrow scene we were just talking about, this is the hairstyle Tonks has, and there's one more Tonks story that we'll talk about in a second. So isn't this funny how our first glimpse at the characters in Half-Blood Prince comes from a German yarn company?
[Eric and Matt laugh]
Eric: That's not even what I'm thinking about. I'm totally going to be ordering plenty of this Hedwig memorial yarn here...
Eric: ...because there's a spool with Hedwig on it...
Eric: ... right now, and I think it's going...
Micah: Well, yeah, you know they made it from the actual bird.
Matt: That's right.
Matt: After she exploded.
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Andrew: This is kind of clever, though. I mean the color schemes match each character.
Matt: Mhm. I...
Micah: The bottom line is there's a market for everything.
Micah: That's what it comes down to.
Andrew: This reminds me of the Harry Potter grapes a few years back. Do you guys remember those?
Eric: No. I don't remember those.
Andrew: I remember Emerson posted it on MuggleNet. I think it was for Prisoner of Azkaban or Goblet of Fire, and it was just a regular carton of grapes but it had a picture of Harry on it... [laughs] ...from one of the movies. This stuff.
Eric: Actually, I know you can't tell how big the characters are going to be based on this yarn, but there is one for Draco. There's Draco yarn, Dumbledore, Remus, Tonks...
Eric: ...Hedwig and...
Matt: I'm surprised there's no Snape yarn.
Eric: Yeah, you know...
Matt: ...I mean...
Eric: ...that's not...
Matt: ...or you know, greasy yarn.
Andrew: [in a sarcastic voice] Pretty greasy. Hm-hm-hm.
Eric: No, that's really kind of - that's upsetting. You're right, Matt. It's worrying, rather...
Eric: ...that there's no Snape.
Matt: ...it's kind of scary how this is like the only update we've gotten for any publicity of this movie besides that other official photo we got of the trio.
Eric: Yeah, message to WB: We're talking about yarn at length here on MuggleCast. You've got to give us something. Give us something we can work with, guys. Seriously.
Micah: So let's move on then.
Eric: No, but I mean, I like the yarn. I think it's awesome, and if I can buy this stuff, I will.
Andrew: What else is going on, Micah?
Micah: Well, you guys mentioned before Natalia Tena. She was at Collector Mania and she mentioned that the only scene that she's in that has been filmed is going to be an attack on the Burrow. It's her only appearance in Half-Blood Prince and I see that "an attack on the Burrow" is bolded in question marks and exclamation points following it here, but we already knew that this scene was going to be added. WB mentioned, I guess now it's a couple months back, that they were going to be adding a scene to Half-Blood Prince that was not in the books, and I believe they mentioned it had to do with something occurring at the Burrow. So there you have it.
Matt: Hmm. Well, that is kind of upsetting, too, because we'll never get to see Tonks save Harry from the train, and we don't get to see her new Patronus. We don't really get to see anything.
Eric: Yup, but that actually - to me, that's kind of a relief. The whole angsty Tonks thing didn't really fit, and in the end, it was just Harry's mind that misled him. It had nothing to do with her being upset about Sirius' death. It was all her about Remus, so we're going through the book reading this stuff about Tonks, and she has a new Patronus and Harry's really concerned about it, and it turns out to be just for a separate reason anyway. It's really no point to add it into the movie, I think. Except her finding him on the train and saving him. You're right, that was pretty worthwhile.
Micah: Right. Well, the train scene is in there, too.
Micah: We know that for a fact.
Matt: Yeah. Yeah, we know that he does get cursed by Draco, just now we have to find out how he leaves from the train.
Eric: Pretty worrisome.
Micah: Yeah. And they removed the whole Remus story line, which to some people is obviously going to be an issue, as is almost anything left out of the movies, because Natalia said in the interview that by the time this Burrow scene comes along, it's just automatically assumed that the two are together.
Eric: But it's an attack on the Burrow by Death Eaters, is what her article says here.
Eric: And an attack by the Death Eaters, well, wait a minute, why are the Death Eaters attacking the Burrow? What is that supposed to signify? Because I mean the Death Eaters attack the Burrow in Book 7 when the wedding happens. It's kind of preemptive.
Andrew: Well, we talked about this on Episode 133. I'm just looking at the show notes. That was on February 23, and I remember we talked about this because there was a new interview - oops, I hit my mic - there was a new interview with one of the direc - I think it was David Baron, who talks about it being added as a pacing scene, so let's not get into it. If someone wants to listen - if you want to hear our discussion about it, listen to Episode 133. What else is going on, Micah?
Micah: Well, as I'm sure a lot of people out there are excited about, because geez, I know I am...not.
Micah: The Harry-Cho kissing scene is being nominated at the MTV Movie Awards.
Andrew: I hate awards. We should just make a rule that Harry Potter - we can't talk about awards in Harry Potter scenes anymore. I mean Harry Potter news anymore.
Micah: Well, see, this is why people don't take the movies seriously.
Micah: And I'm not trying to - well, because they're nominated for this, as opposed to some of the other stuff that goes on in the films.
Andrew: Like Best Picture? [laughs]
Micah: Well, Best Picture - we actually talked to Jim Dale about that, and he made a great point in that there's not enough time to develop the characters and for them to give a big performance to actually be nominated for Best Picture, but some of the other stuff that goes on could warrant awards, and I just think - I don't know, this type of a thing demeans the film a little bit.
Andrew: You've got to keep in mind who MTV appeals to. The girls who are watching this, the MySpace generation, as some may call it, they love the kissing thing, so that's why MTV has a Best Kiss category. [laughs]
Matt: Yeah, well, I mean, MTV. I mean, look, if you look at all the nominees for the MTV Movie Awards, I mean it's not like it's the most grandest scale of movies.
Matt: I mean, look under Best Picture. Juno, Transformers, Pirates of the Caribbean 3, I Am Legend, Superbad, and National Treasure.
Eric: And - and the whole thing, why - why jump the gun here? Why nominate the Harry/Cho kiss? Were there really not that many kisses in other movies that we had to...
Andrew: People like Harry Potter.
Eric: ...because, I mean, I'm looking forward to the - I'm looking forward to the Harry/Ginny kiss in Half-Blood Prince, I'm not interested in this Harry/Cho kiss. That's so - so last year.
Andrew: Anything else in the news, Mic-er?
Micah: I could give a bleep about any of that. But, you know what, I have a heart of stone. Uh, anyway...
Eric: It's our hero, Micah, it's our hero, and his love interest!
Micah: Last bit of news is all movie related. Some final pieces of casting information. I'm sure we'll probably get maybe a couple of others based on some of the people who have been cast this week. Or last week. Tony Coburn has been cast as young Lucius Malfoy, and he's going to appear in that role sort of in a back in time scene with Professor Slughorn in the Slug Club, and he's also going to appear in the film as an extra when Dumbledore gets knocked off the Tower.
Eric: Or perhaps when they're crowding around his body once it's landed.
Micah: And then Theresa Mahoney is being cast as Sophie.
Andrew: Oh, Sophie!
Eric: Oh Sophie, we know who that is.
Micah: Yeah, remember her? Big role in the books. Huge role.
Eric: But - but it's compelling. It's compelling, it really is, because I think - now this is just the impression I got from that article talking about Theresa Mahoney being cast - but I imagine Sophie being maybe the Muggle Prime Minister's assistant who says, you know, "Thanks, Sophie," or "Take no further calls, Sophie," you know, when - when he's about to go into his office and speak with Fudge and Scrimgeour. So I, you know, I...
Micah: Who's yet to be cast as far as I know, right?
Eric: I don't know but I - I always imagined it as being maybe the Minister's assistant who he refers to, you know - who only needs a first name basically.
Andrew: Well, hold on. First we've got to say in - in her credits, this was revealed on her profile on CastingCallPro.com, her credits for Half-Blood Prince are "boardroom hyphen opening scene."
Andrew: So this also lays to rest - and I wrote this on MuggleNet - this also lays to rest that the opening scene will be - is presumably in a boardroom where the Prime - Muggle Prime Minister is having this meeting.
Eric: Or a boardroom which seems to follow that it would be like the book.
Andrew: Which is - right, which is relatively true to the books.
Andrew: I can see a boardroom like a meeting. They're having a meeting about this. It makes perfect sense.
Micah: I think it goes back, too, when David Baron was saying about wanting to sort of keep the whole idea that there is a lot going on in the outside world in addition to everything that's taking place in Harry's world and, you know, that's why he kind of showed what's happening in the Burrow and, you know, the whole idea of that scene with the bridge blowing up and things like that.
Andrew: And for once they're actually staying true to the book in the beginning.
Andrew: Well, they did that with Goblet of Fire but - hopefully, but it seems like this is pretty solid evidence, I do declare.
Eric: "Lumos Maxima!"
Micah: And the final bit of casting news as far as new roles are concerned, a Slytherin student, a Death Eater, and a Slughorn Ball graduate have all been cast. I know, you guys, this is very exciting news.
Andrew: I'm not saying - well, it's not exciting, but it - it puts little pieces of the puzzle together. I mean at least with the Slughorn Ball graduate, sort of.
Matt: And it - and it does give us some hope that, you know, they're still, you know, casting people.
Andrew: Theresa Mahoney was the biggest part of that little news item though, I think.
Eric: Yeah, yeah. But...
Micah: Right. So that means that - that Christmas party that Slughorn had will be in the movie.
Micah: So, are we going to get to see - did they cast a - no.
Micah: Senguini? The vampire?
Micah: They did?
Eric: They did, I think thatís on IMDB.
Andrew: That was actually on that casting site too. So that guy is actually on the casting site. So, yeah.
Eric: So yes, they did. So that's interesting.
Eric: [laughs] Senguini. Reminds me of Ratatouille. The other thing guys, about the - about all this news that we're not getting from Half Blood Prince, I was just thinking about what the alternative would be, and if we were getting swamped with images and all that this far in advance, I don't know if I'd like it as much, actually. But if you guys think about it, didn't they have like, clips form the movie that streamed online...
Andrew: Yeah, we're just...
Eric: I mean, all sorts of crazy stuff.
Andrew: ...looking for something to complain about, frankly.
Eric: I just - yeah, I just actually hate that stuff that they stream online - parts of the movie ahead of time and stuff. So maybe it's good that we're not getting anything in this movie.
Andrew: Well, I mean, it does get sort of out of control closer to the release.
Micah: Yeah. But you're also seven months away from the film, so that's not really - you shouldn't be expecting to get a whole lot right now, right?
Andrew: No, you're right.
Matt: You know, seven months - I mean we need at least a teaser poster.
Eric: Well, it's six months, actually. It's six months and about ten days from the time this we're recording.
Matt: Oh, six months? Oh, well, we're overdue. Oh. Warner Brothers, come on, get with the program.
Andrew: Well, the one sort of little side note here is that the Twilight teaser trailer came out the other day and that movie's coming out in December.
Matt: Yeah, and two teaser posters.
Andrew: And two posters. But it's a separate movie company.
Matt: Yeah, they all do it differently. I mean it's MTV Films, too, so...
Micah: So the final piece of news. Eric, this interview with Jessie Cave who plays Lavender Brown.
Eric: Yeah, man.
Micah: Tell me about it.
Eric: Oh. Well, she says that the kissing scene between her character, Lavender Brown, and Rupert Grint's character, Ronald Weasley, happened on her third day of filming and it was embarrassing.
Eric: And I just wondered - it's a funny interview - no it's not, it's actually a little blurb, and it has a picture of her, and I was wondering if you guys think we can expect to see her in all those kind of background scenes.
Micah: I sure hope so.
Eric: Hanging around Rupert like, you know, just like holding onto him and he doesn't really want her to be there. They have a lot of room for comedy, you know, with that.
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