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Everything Works Out a Little Too Conveniently

Micah: No, I mean, this is just one of those chapters, and again I understand that you've got to get to the point and you've got to find the Horcrux and you've got to destroy it. But it all just goes back to, you know, this is similar to me to how they infiltrated the Ministry and just things were just a little bit unrealistic in a sense. This part of the chapter's like oh, well he's been at Hogwarts for six years, didn't even know that the Gray Lady was the Ravenclaw House ghost, and then all of these things just start falling into place out of no where. It just seemed a little bit too easy for me.

Laura: Well, to be fair, though...

Matt: Well, how come nobody knew? I mean, do you think anyone, even the ghosts at Hogwarts, knew she was the daughter of Rowena Ravenclaw?

Micah: Well, he asked Nearly Headless Nick, who's the Raven-ha - [laughs] - Ravenclaw House ghost...

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Micah: And he...

Matt: He's the Gryffindor House ghost.

Micah: Right. But he was almost offended that Harry didn't know that it was the Gray Lady.

Matt: Right.

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: No, I think - wasn't he offended that he wanted to ask the Gray Lady and not him?

Laura: Yeah, I think that's right. But, I mean, it wouldn't really be that surprising, because you can't assume that all of the ghosts are of the same vintage, if that makes any sense? Obviously, the Gray Lady and the Bloody Baron are, but if Nearly Headless Nick was born hundreds of years after the Gray Lady, who's to say if he would know if she was the daughter of Rowena Ravenclaw?

Andrew: Right. Yeah, definitely.

Matt: I mean, as soon as you find out you kind of see like, oh, well, duh. I mean, it's almost kind of obvious.

Laura: Well, in all fairness too, even though Harry didn't really know the Gray Lady was the ghost of Ravenclaw, the fans did, or at least should have, because Jo did say that at one point, if I do recall correctly.

Andrew: Well, Micah, also - I mean, you said that it seemed also a little too convenient. I mean at this point it doesn't surprise me that Harry can work this all out in his head. Because I know what you mean, there is a lot of Harry just working through all this. But it did all connect, I think.

Micah: Yeah, it...

Andrew: And I think the big clue was that Voldemort was telling - Voldemort - Voldemort had two of his Death Eaters waiting for Harry in Ravenclaw's common room, so he knew Harry was on to something.

Micah: Yeah, but I'm just referring to the part where, you know, nobody had seen the diadem in living memory, and then all of a sudden Harry goes, "Oh, in living memory. I should go talk to a ghost." And it's kind of the same thing that happened when he sees the Gargoyle's head on the floor, and all of a sudden it triggers the whole, you know, statue he saw in Xenophilius Lovegood's house, and that triggers the thing that he saw in Half-Blood Prince when he was hiding the potion book. It was just - I don't know. It was too coincidental.

Ben: Well, you know, Micah, you're a sports fan, right?

Micah: I am a sports fan.

Ben: Did you watch the Lakers/Spurs last night?

Micah: I did.

Ben: You see how in the end how Kobe Bryant had that killer instinct and just went for it, you know?

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: You know, that makes a man a legend.

Micah: It does.

Ben: That's what Harry Potter was doing.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: He had to figure everything out instantly, you know? It had to happen, it had to come to him, he's Harry Potter. He had to come through in the clutch, otherwise he wouldn't be Harry Potter.

Andrew: Right, yeah. And this is the Harry Potter series where everything has to be resolved at the end of the book, so...

Micah: All right, all right. I'm just trying to create some discussion.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: No, no, no you brought up some very good points, Micah.

Ben: I'm sorry, Micah.

Andrew: And Ben brought up a very good point too.

Micah: No, it's fine. Kobe's a good player.

Andrew: You guys kiss and make up? We're all good now? We can move on?

Micah: We're good.

Andrew: So, we've been discussing all of this after realizing that Voldemort has picked up the diadem - had picked the diadem up while hiding in Albania. Harry remembers that Voldemort had attempted to get a teaching job at Hogwarts and that he must've brought the diadem back and hidden it in the castle then. Of course he knows, like we were saying, Harry's making all these connections. And then, who does Harry run into?

Matt: Voldemort.

Andrew: No.

Laura: No, I think someone should do the voice.

Andrew: Oh, yes. Hagrid!

Ben: Oh.

Laura: I love how we're just waiting for Ben to catch on.

Ben: [imitating Hagrid] Rubeus Hagrid!

Matt: [imitating Ben] What are we talking about?

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: I was about to do a Dumbledore, but I don't think he ran into him.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: No, I don't think so. Okay, so Harry runs into Hagrid. This is - okay, Micah, I can see this is a little convenient.

Micah: Well, it's more like Hagrid rams into Harry.

Andrew: Yeah, no, but I mean, just the timing of it all. It's a very nice coincidence. And also in the book, it's - Hagrid is described as running, so I'm really looking forward to seeing him actually run, along with Fang and Harry. That should be a pretty funny sight.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: So then, of course, this is when Harry realizes "Oh, okay. It was the Room of Requirement! Voldemort's too stupid to think that nobody else will be using it, that nobody else would discover it. Of course Harry did and so did many other people.

Micah: Well, this is the part that I was talking about before, not to go too crazy, but all these connections that he starts drawing once he saw the head of the statue of the gargoyle that was lying on the floor.

Andrew: Yeah. Oh, yeah, I understand what you're saying, but at this point in the game, Harry's in his seventh year. No, he's not. Yeah, he is. He's in his seventh year at Hogwarts and, Harry's a smart guy. And maybe he works best under pressure, when he knows he has only so much time to figure everything out.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: You know, things just click with him.

Laura: Well, it's kind of like, you know how there are some people, myself included, who write possibly the best papers they will ever write in their lives when they haven't started them until midnight the day before they're due?

Andrew: Right. Right.

Laura: So...

Andrew: Right. I personally - I work best under pressure.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: And I'll just work non-stop until it's done.

Micah: Well, it's because we're deadline-oriented, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah.

Integration of Past Books

Micah: The other thing I wanted to bring up, in this scene in particular, that I thought was kind of cool, was J.K. Rowling starting to tie different parts of the story together. For example, you know, he's running down the hall and then he sees Neville with all the mandrakes from Chamber of Secrets, and then he runs past - or Sir Cadagon is following him throughout the halls and he played a big role in Prisoner of Azkaban. And then, all of a sudden, there's Mrs. Norris swiping at a bunch of owls. So, I thought it was kind of cool how she was integrating all these random things that we have learned about throughout the course of the series.

Matt: It was a really nice little like reunion before everyone dies kind of thing.

[Lauren and Micah laugh]

Laura: One last hoorah. We all get together and tonight we dine in Hell.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: And didn't he also see Neville's gran?

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Didn't she also pop up somewhere?

Andrew: Yeah! And she even said, "Okay, I'm going to go help out Neville."

Matt: And we saw Aberforth. I mean, we saw everybody. I mean, everybody was there. Dumbledore was there, right?

If Dumbledore Were in the Battle...

Andrew: If Dumbledore was in this situation, if he was in the middle of the battle at Hogwarts, what do you think he would say to Harry?

Ben: Well, I mean, I think he'd have a very good word of advice for him, you know? I mean, that's what Dumbledore does, you know?

Andrew: Yeah. No, but I mean, you know...

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: If we were to get an audio representation of it, you know what I mean? Sort of like an impersonation, I guess you could say.

Ben: [imitating Dumbledore] It is our choices, Harry, far more than our abilities, that determine what we truly are.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yay.

Ben: You mean something like that?

Andrew: Something like that, yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I think you're right. You're right.

Ben: Give it up for Molly Weasley!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So what happens next, Micah?

Ron and Hermione Scene

Micah: So then Harry runs into Ron and Hermione, who have been in the Chamber of Secrets collecting Basilisk fangs to get rid of Horcruxes.

Andrew: Now, this is the thing - hold on, let me cut you off for a second - this is the thing got a lot of debate, and I remember we were talking about this on the summer tour, about Ron suddenly being able to speak Parsteltongue. And what was the explanation we came up with?

Matt: He remembered what Harry said.

Laura: He had heard what Harry said, yeah.

Matt: After five years, he remembered exactly what Harry said?

Laura: No, but didn't he already speak Parsteltongue in the book too? In Book 7?

Micah: Yes, he did.

Laura: So, it could be that Ron actually remembered what Harry said...

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: the seventh book. And also, we learned that Ron is a good mimic because he also mimicked Wormtail when they were in Malfoy Manor.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Yeah, but I mean, come on.

Andrew: But I think it was just the thing about having the Parseltongue ability. Like, only those with the ability could truly speak it and truly get, say, the Chamber of Secrets to activate.

Matt: Well, also, what we're finding out in this chapter, especially, is that there's more than one way to kill a Horcrux, too.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Not only can you get a sword, but you can use fire, you can use a Basilisk fang, you can use - I mean, it's almost like there's hundreds of ways to get rid of it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: After they all establish they need to get to the Room of Requirement, what happens? Finally everybody can, you know, put down the gloves on either side of the fight about who was going to get together throughout seven books.

Laura: Dun dun dun dun!

Matt: Who was it?

Micah: Oh, it was Aberforth and his goat.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Oh, right!

Micah: I'm looking forward to - no, I'm not even going to say anything because that's...

Andrew: No, you are. You love goats. You love everything about them.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: This is going to be a great scene in the movie.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Matt and Micah laugh]

Andrew: It really is. It really is.

Laura: Yeah.

Encounter with Draco, Crabbe, and Goyle

Andrew: So, they're searching - they're in the Room of Requirement - they're searching for the diadem and they run into Draco, Crabbe and Goyle and Harry goes, "Oh, great! Just when I'm about to make a breakthrough, I'm about to get rid of that Horcrux, the last Horcrux, or at least what I think is the last Horcrux..."

Matt: He doesn't say that!

Andrew: No, he doesn't, but this is what's going through his head.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Suddenly, these three show up, and boy, are they out to kill. Avada Kedavra, curses are flying all over the place, Stunning Spells, fire.

Matt: From Crabbe and Goyle, no less.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: From Crabbe and Goyle.

Micah: Did this surprise you guys at all? I mean, Crabbe and Goyle firing these spells?

Matt: Well, you finally get to hear them talk.

Ben: Well, I guess they finally have come of age. You know?

Andrew: Yeah, not just that, but then also it's either Crabbe or Goyle who says to Draco, "Who cares if we don't bring him into Voldemort alive? You and your father are done for anyway." So it's like, they're on Draco's side, but they know he's done for anyways, so why help Draco to the point of killing him?

Matt: Yeah, they were always loyal to Draco because of his family and everything, and now they know Draco's nothing, they're like, "who are you to tell us what to do now? You know we can kick your butt now, if we want."

Laura: Yeah, and Crabbe also got kind of power hungry, because, you know, like he was saying he didn't care if he killed Harry even though that wasn't what Voldemort wanted. So...

Andrew: Right.

Micah: Yeah, which would have been real smart on his part. He would have...

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: ...have ended up dying anyway.

Matt: Well, he's not exactly the most intelligent character in the series, anyway, so...

Laura: Yeah, too stupid to live as we can see...

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Laura: know? So anyhow, as they're - as they're duking it out in the Room of Requirement, Crabbe ends up casting a curse, which we later learned is called Fiend Fyre, and what's interesting about this is it's at first sort of a wall of fire that's chasing after them and it's eating away at the Room of Requirement, but then it breaks down and turns into this army of like - of fiery creatures like dragons and serpents, and chimeras, and their only means of escape is they find a pair of broomsticks, and Harry gets on one and Ron and Hermione get on the other. Now, one of my favorite moments from this chapter happens now, because as they're flying away Harry sees Draco and Goyle and they're about to be consumed by the flames, and as Harry dives down to try and save Draco, Ron yells, "If we die for them, I'll kill you, Harry."

Matt: Okay, it's - it's Fiend Fyre.

Laura: Fiend Fyre.

Matt: Or Fiend Fiery.

Laura: Okay.

Andrew: Yeah, so Laura got it. Yeah, and that's an awesome - is Ron basically saying that if they - if they die trying to kill Crabbe and Goyle...

Matt: It's kind of like a double-negative isn't it?

Laura: Yeah. Oh, it is, but it's funny because it's essentially Ron saying, you know, "These guys have been on our backs for the last seven years..."

Andrew: Right.

Laura: "...they've never given us a break..."

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: "...and not only are they jerks, but they're on Voldemort's side and now you're trying to save them. Stop being so freaking noble."

Matt: Well, just a second ago they were trying to kill them. I mean, they're the reason there's fire around them, and now we're going to save their butts?

Andrew and Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Well, it ends up paying huge dividends...

Laura: Yeah, it does.

Micah: ...a couple of chapters from now.

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: Absolutely. So, essentially what happens is Harry grabs Draco, and Ron and Hermione take Goyle, but they end up not able to save Crabbe, so he perishes in the fire. And Ron was really blunt about it, too, because as soon as they escape, Draco was kind of sniveling and he was, you know, saying, "Crabbe, Crabbe? Where's Crabbe?" and Ron was just like, "Crabbe's dead."

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Which is...

Matt: "He's gone, dude."

Laura: Yeah. [laughs] A little bit brutal.

A Song for Crabbe

Andrew: So should we play a song for Crabbe? Does any - does anyone have a song in mind for him? I mean, I don't even think he deserves one, quite frankly.

Laura: He just doesn't have much of a personality, you know?

Matt: "Burn, Baby, Burn"?

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Andrew: [sings] Burn, Baby, burn. Yeah, yeah, let's do that!

[Burn, Baby, Burn begins to play]

Andrew: Well, there you go.

[Music fades away]

Micah: So, after they get out of the Room of Requirement... [laughs]... Harry sees that - was it the diadem that was actually bleeding, almost?

Matt: Yeah, it was bleeding...

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: ...blood out of it and they're wondering what was going on, and I think it was Hermione, wasn't it, that found out that it was Fiend Fyre...

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: ...that Crabbe conjured, and Fiend Fyre - Fiend Fyrey - I really don't know how it's pronounced, but...

Laura: I think it's Fiend Fyre.

Matt: Yeah, Fiend Fyre is one of the known killers of Horcruxes or something that just happened to be a huge coincidence.

Fred Dies

Micah: Yeah, another one of those, but - so, now the diadem is destroyed and, again, we get back to the whole battle of Hogwarts. Harry realizes what's going on around him, and then all of a sudden there's this huge explosion after they had met up with Percy and Fred, and I don't even know how to go into this, because this was one of the worst death scenes, I thought, in the entire book.

Andrew: Worse in a good way or worse in a bad way? [laughs]

Matt: Saddest.

Andrew: Oh, saddest?

Micah: Yeah, yeah.

Matt: It's the most tragic.

Micah: Right. I mean, Hedwig exploding, that was funny, but...

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Laura: Oh my God! That's terrible!

Ben: You're so mean, Micah.

Laura: You're going to Hell.

Micah: [laughs] Going to Hell? Ooh...

Laura: Yes.

Andrew: Going to Hell for making of a fictional character dying. Okay.

Matt: An owl, too.

Laura: A fictional owl.

Andrew: A fictional owl. [laughs]

Matt: PETA is going to be calling you in, like, a couple hours.

Micah: Who is? PETA? [laughs]

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: All right so, Fred dies, and just skipping ahead to Chapter 32 real quick...

Matt: Well, what I thought was the most, kind of, creepiest of this whole death too, was that you can see Fred laughing. His dead face is him making his last laugh.

Andrew: Oh yeah, you could - what did it say? "His last laugh still etched upon his face." So...

Matt: That has got to be kind of scary, seeing your brother or, yeah, your brother's death and he's just smiling up at you with this great excitement.

Ben: But at least he died happy though.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Matt: Yeah, after he got crushed, but...

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: At Percy's joke, no less.

Andrew: So then Chapter 32, just real quick, first sentence in "The Elder Wand," Chapter 32, it says, "The world had ended, so why had the battle not ceased? The castle had fallen silent in horror and every combatant laid down their arms." I'm sorry, it is a sad death, but did it feel like the world had ended? Should it really have felt like the world had ended? I mean, so many people were dying already. I just...

Laura: Well...

Andrew: I don't know.

Laura: ...isn't that just from Harry's perspective? I mean...

Andrew: It is from Harry's perspective, yeah, but...

Laura: Because the Weasleys have been fighting for him for so long and protecting him...

Micah: It was like losing his brother.

Laura: he feels responsible. Yeah.

Matt: Because Fred and George have always acted like his big brother, like the ones who - not necessarily like his best friend like Ron was, but more kind of like the guys who would always back you up whenever there was a problem or something. Harry did care for them because he gave them all of his galleons for the Goblet of Fire. So, you know, he had - he saw- he saw Fred and George as like two big brothers of his.

Ben: Yeah.

Matt: And Fred was always the fun one too. He was always the more sarcastic one of the two.

Andrew: So in tribute to Fred, we are going to play "Blinded by the Light".

["Blinded by the Light" begins playing]

Andrew: Awww, that's so sweet. Everyone: Awwwwwww

[song ends]

Andrew: That does conclude this week's Chapter-by-Chapter, Chapter 31. Next week is 32, "The Elder Wand," and of course it's time for Quote Quiz.

Quote Quiz

Andrew: I'm in a temporary recording set-up right now, so I can't play the sound effects, but I'll just do it how I used to. So, I'll do this.

Ben: Guys, he's in a temporary recording set-up, just in case you didn't know he's moving to Southern California.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: He's successfully completed the move...

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: He hasn't got he stuff set up yet, so - I'm not trying to make a big deal about it on the show or anything.

[Matt laughs]

Ben: It's a temporary recording set-up.

Andrew: Anyway...

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Anyway, it's time for Quote Quiz! [echoes]

"Snape. Now. I need him. There is a service I require from him. Go." [laughs]

Matt: Wow.

Andrew: That's Quote Quiz this week.

Ben's Top 10 List

Andrew: Ben, you were going to bring back an old segment you did awhile ago - you used to. It's Ben's Top 10 List. So Ben could only think up a few, so, Ben, you want to start with the ones you have and we'll each take turns making up an excuse for you.

Ben: No, you guys do the first six then I'll do the last four.

Andrew: So we'll start with number ten?

Ben: Yeah, and you can't use the one that you told me.

Andrew: All right, that's fine. All right. Matt, number ten?

Matt: He hasn't been on because he's busy at Subway where you get $5 foot longs.

Andrew: Ooooh, good.

Ben: Oooh, good, that's a very good one.

Andrew: Number nine: Ben has been spending time in Notre Dame studying very hard.

Ben: Yeah, Matt beats you.

Andrew: [laughs] It wasn't a joke. It was very serious. I mean it's the truth. Number eight, Laura?

Laura: [sighs] He doesn't care.

Andrew: Oooooo......

Ben: Ooo.... That's not true.

Laura: I'm just kidding, Ben. I'm just kidding, Ben.

Andrew: Number seven. Micah?

Micah: Because he was filling out adoption papers as the newest member of the Spartz family.

Andrew: Ooooh, snap!

Ben: Oh, no!

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: I'm not. Okay, I wasn't adopted, really. I just kind of - I don't know, Emerson and I are pals. We like to collaborate on ideas and such and so...

Andrew: [laughs] Ben, it's okay to live with Emerson. I mean you don't have to stick up for it. Number six, Matt?

Matt: Okay, number six, the reason why, is Ben is too busy taking photos of Miss Emma Watson.

Andrew: Number five reason Ben has been away from MuggleCast: he's been trying to search for WiFi and been driving around Nebraska, but he hasn't had much luck.

Ben: Yeah, I've been stuck up there, so. And the number four reason - oh yeah - I've switched book series. I've been busy reading Twilight.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: That was my idea, for the record.

Ben: Number three reason, according to Andrew, I've had personal issues. Yeah, whatever those are.

Andrew: [laughs] What?

Ben: The number two reason: I was being held hostage by the Pickle Pack vultures.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Laura: Oh gosh.

Ben: And the number one reason I've missed MuggleCast: I lost the battle against childhood obesity.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Awww.

Laura: Awww.

Ben: That's so sad.

Matt: That's tragic.

Ben: Just kidding. Just kidding.

Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul

Andrew: All right, Ben, and for old times sakes, to wrap up the show today, do you - would you like to read the Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul?

Ben: Well, you know - you know, Andrew, this has always been my favorite segment.

Andrew: Really?

Ben: Yes. Sierra F., age 15 of Southampton, Pennsylvania. And she writes:

"Hey guys. Last month I underwent ACL reconstruction surgery in my right knee. Everything went exactly as planned, but I was still in a lot of pain once the anesthesia wore off. For the week following the surgery it was hard for me, a fairly able-bodied person, to get used to not even being able to even walk to the bathroom on my own. At times it got to be fairly dehumanizing. During my recovery I didn't go on the computer a lot, but I had saved a lot of episodes of MuggleCast to listen to during this time, and I'm glad I did. In total I missed about two to three weeks of school, which works out to a lot of boring days and several sleepless nights. Now, as I'm finishing up the work I missed, and studying for finals, I've come down with a horrible cold, making it very hard to talk, breathe and, by extension, sleep. But MuggleCast has helped me relax enough to sleep, even when I felt miserable. This last month has been pretty stressful with everything I have had to do to get caught up in school, and I just wanted to thank you all for helping me through my recovery and providing me with the perfect ninety minute break from the world around me. Pickles, Sierra."

Matt: Aww.

Andrew: Aww, well, that was very sweet.

Ben: Aww, how sweet, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: It always makes me happy - it always warms my heart to hear that somebody, you know, can use us, you know, to help get them through, you know?

Andrew: Yeah. Be: You know, some people need - everyone has their own way of escaping and if you really like Harry Potter, I see how a Harry Potter podcast could do that for you.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yep. That's why we've kept this segment around for so long.

Contact Information

Andrew: Well I think that does wrap up the show for today. We're going to remind everyone about our contact information. Laura, if someone wants to send us some parcel mail, including maybe some late birthday gifts for me, what's the P.O. Box?

Laura: Oh, I don't know about any birthday gifts, Andrew...

Andrew: Aw.

Laura: ...but they can send all their parcel mail to P.O. Box 3151, Cumming, Georgia, 30028.

Andrew: Can I also just say thank you to everyone...

Ben: That's iPods, Zunes, MP3 players...

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah...

Ben: ... Xboxes, PlayStations, everything, we take it.

Andrew: Can I also just say thank you to everyone who left me some birthday messages this week on the voice-mail, and my e-mail, on Facebook, it was very nice seeing all those. So, thanks for that.

Ben: Oh, Andrew, did you get a birthday post on MuggleNet?

Andrew: No, I didn't. Nope.

Ben: Oh my gosh.

Andrew: I did get one - I did get one on, thanks to Laura.

Ben: Aw, dude...

Laura: Aw...

Ben: Did I feel like an ass, because I remembered it was your birthday too, like I saw it on Facebook.

Andrew: It's okay.

Ben: You wouldn't forget about me; you should've messaged me.

Andrew: It's okay. Well, all I have to say is that I may forget this year, for you...

Ben: Ooo...

Andrew: ...for August. August comes around, I may be a little busy.

Ben: You know, Andrew, you know, Andrew, an eye for an eye just makes the whole world blind.

Andrew: [laughs] What?

Laura: Wow, we've got Gandhi on this podcast.

Andrew: Yeah, I know. Anyway, back to MuggleCast here. If you would like to call in a voicemail question, comment, or even a listener rebuttal, you can also use - you can always use the MuggleCast hotline. If you're in the United States, you can dial 1-218-20-MAGIC. And a couple people from Canada wanted me to point out that you can use that number in Canada. It's going to cost you a little bit, but there are no Canadian numbers on Skype, so you would have to dial that number.

Ben: [laughs] And it's your parents' bill anyways!

Andrew: There you go.

[Ben and Laura laugh]

Andrew: If you're in the United Kingdom, you can dial 02081440677. And if you're in Australia, you can dial 0280035668. You can also Skype the name MuggleCast, just remember, no matter how you call us, keep your message under sixty seconds and eliminate as much background noise as possible. You can also visit for a handy feedback form. To contact any one of us just use our first name at staff dot mugglenet dot com. And, as always, don't forget the community outlets: the MySpace, Facebook, YouTube, Frappr, Last.FM, fanlisting, forums. Follow us on Twitter, Digg the show at and vote for us once a month at Podcast Alley.

Show Close

Now, also, I just wanted to a quick little plug. Matt, Laura, Elysa, and I have started up a new Twilight website, isn't that right, Laura?

Laura: That is right! Well, the site is, and if you go there currently, we have summaries of each of the books, we have up-to-date news, an entire bio section on Stephenie Meyer, plus an area dedicated to the films, but, shortly, we're looking to have great things like forums, fan fiction, and even a podcast.

[Show music begins playing]

Andrew: Yes.

Matt: Ooo...

Andrew: It's going to be your ultimate source for Twilight information, just like MuggleNet is your ultimate source for Harry Potter.

Matt: It just seems like only yesterday, you know, we were bashing Twilight because we thought it was just a girl's book series.

Andrew: Yeah, and now we're running a website. No, this does not mean we hate Harry Potter, and we're going to stop working on MuggleCast or MuggleNet. We're going to be with it just as much as we've always been.

Matt: This is basically just an extra thing the four of us...

Laura: Ooo...

Matt: ...want to do in our spare time also.

Laura: You know, I guess this is the time to tell you that I'm going to be handing in my two weeks' notice.

Andrew: Don't tell me you're a TwiHard!

[Laura and Matt laugh]

Andrew: So visit today for all your Twilight information, and that will be one of just a couple plugs we make on the show about TwilightSource. So don't start hating us just because we're plugging our new website. So thank you, everyone, for listening. It's been a great show. Ben, thanks for coming back on. Are we going to see you on again soon?

Ben: Yea. You should. I want to come back around. This is the first prerecorded episode I've done in a while.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: I mean - I mean - No, we're coming to you live.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Yeah, but it's good to be on. It's good to be back, and next time I hope to be a little more - I hope there's more interesting things to talk about. I mean, the show wasn't boring by any means. I'm just saying. I want something spicy. I want a Dumbledore Gay revelation.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: I want something I can really...

Andrew: Well, those are - those are once - every once in a while, and we just got to wait for them. But anyway, thank you, everyone, for listening this week. Once again, I'm Andrew Sims.

Ben: I'm Ben Schoen.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: And I'm Matthew Britton.

Andrew: Thank you, everyone, for listening. We'll see you next week for Episode 148. Buh-bye.

Ben: Bye.

Laura: Bye!

Blooper 1

Ben: How about that new Miley Cyrus song that's like, "The last time I freaked out..."

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: "...I was looking down. St-st-st-stuttering, ask me what I'm thinking 'bout..."

Andrew: Ummm...

Ben: "...The next time we hang out, my heart won't rest 'til then..."

Andrew and Ben: "Woah-oh-oh-oh. I - I can't wait..."

Andrew: "To see you again!"

Laura: Wow. You guys really know your Miley Cyrus.

Matt: God, Andrew. You are so...

Ben: Andrew's trying to upstage me. Did you guys see that?

Andrew: No. No. I just got into the moment. I got ...

Ben: He's mad because I got on him for being gullible earlier.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. Whatever. Okay. So. Song or not? Come on.

Blooper 2

Micah: They're going to name their kid Laura.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Laura: Ew.

Matt: What if it's a girl?

Laura: Please don't.

Ben: You could name your kid Pickles.

Andrew: [laughs] Pickles. Yeah. That would be a cute name.

Matt: No. No. It wouldn't.

Ben: Woah. It would not.

Andrew: Yes, it would.

Matt: It would not.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: That would be terrible.

Ben: That would be a gross name. Who are you kidding? Who would name their kid Pickles?

Andrew: I would!

Laura: Well, you know, some people name their kids odd things like Apple, so I'm fairly convinced there there are parents out there who hate their children.

Ben: Yeah. Michael Jackson had a kid named Blanket.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, and Ka...

Ben: He's like [impersonating Michael Jackson] "Come here, Blanket."

Andrew: Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise named their kid Suri.

Matt: [impersonating Michael Jackson] "Aww, my beautiful Blanket."

Andrew: That's a nice name. Anyway...

Written by: The Transcribers