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Muggle Mail: The Ron-Hermione Kiss

Andrew: All right, well, the next email comes from Mike, 19 of Alberta, Canada. He writes:

"Hey, MuggleCasters, just wanted to point out something that I think you missed on the Chapter-by-Chapter segment: THE RON/HERMIONE KISS! The thing we've been waiting for since 'Prisoner of Azkaban.' I personally think it came at an odd time in the book but it was funny nonetheless."

We forgot to talk about this, guys, last week. The Ron and Hermione kiss in Chapter 31.

Matt: How did we skip that?

Mikey: Because you guys were more worried about Fred dying.

Andrew: Maybe that, but also...

Laura: I thought Micah mentioned it though.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: ...we've been getting a lot of emails about it.

Matt: We did get a lot of emails about it. I guess people wanted us to talk about it more.

Andrew: Probably more, yeah. Also, it was very quick in the chapter, but...

Matt: Okay, about the whole kiss thing. I honestly - I did not care when this happened because - I would have cared if this happened at a less, more climactic scene, but since there was so much going on, I didn't really think about the kiss very much. It was during a war and...

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: What do you guys think about the place mat of this kiss? Do you think it was appropriate?

Mikey: Well, you know what? Like compare this kiss, Ron and Hermione, versus the Harry/Ginny kiss. Like I remember reading Half-Blood Prince, and the Harry/Ginny kiss, I got super excited. I was like, "Yeah! All right!"

Matt: Well, there was tension between Harry and Ginny too. This one is just all unprovoked. I mean, she just threw her stuff away and just embraced Ron and gave him a kiss. Let me start...

Mikey: Well, that's what Harry and Ginny was too. It wasn't really tension. It was like she's happy they won and he's coming out and they're like - instead of hugging they kiss.

Matt: Mhm.

Mikey: And it was like, "What happened?"

Matt: My favorite part of that, of that part, of the whole kiss thing, was when Harry just yells at him, "Oy! We're at a war here!"

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah, that's how I felt when I was reading it too, because, I mean I've always been supportive of the Ron/Hermione relationship and I was looking forward to seeing them get together, but I was so into the chapter at this point that I was like, "I don't care!"

Matt: I don't need this right now!

Laura: Hook up some other time.

Matt: People are dying and you people are kissing?

Andrew: I think...

Mikey: You know what, though? If fit though. It fits though, because they needed this immediate sense of danger, of death, to kick them in the right direction.

Laura: Yeah, it's true.

Andrew and Matt: Yeah.

Laura: And that's what Ron said too, because Harry said something like, "Hey, there's a war going on," and Ron was like, "Yeah, so it's now or never, right?" You know. I thought that was cute.

Matt: Yeah.

Mikey: And it's really - it's not Hermione - it's kind of out of Hermione's character a little bit, but it's so in Ron's character completely. Like if it wasn't for this, it probably wouldn't have happened for a couple more years.

Andrew: I think that was half - part of the thrill of that kiss was that it was so unexpected, too, and all the shippers who were hoping for it this entire book sort of get it out of nowhere, so it's like, "Oh, my God!"

Matt: It was pretty much - it came out of left field. It really did, for me.

Mikey: I don't know. I don't remember my first reaction when I read it. I just kind of remember when I went back and read it the other day.

Matt: For me, it was sort of like - like an exhaling of breath, like, "Ah, finally." And then I just kept reading.

Muggle Mail: More Girls than Guys Listen to MuggleCast

Laura: Our next Muggle Mail comes from Aaron, 14, of Cathage, Carthage, Carthage? - how do you say that?

Andrew: Carthage, yeah.

Laura: What is it?

Andrew: Carthage. Carthage?

Laura: Carthage? All right. Our next Muggle Mail comes from Aaron, 14, of Carthage, New York. He says,

"Hey guys. I was just looking through the pictures of people with their MuggleCast t-shirts on for the t-shirt day, and I noticed there are very few guys with one on. I was just curious if there are a lot more girls that listen to this show than guys."

Andrew: Yes.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: And we've said on the show before that our demographics show about 78% of the listeners are... [laughs] ...female.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: So...

Mikey: Only 78%?

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Well, it's a good amount, which I've never really figured out. I think that just reflects the Harry Potter demographic, too, just in general.

Laura: Yeah, I think it does.

Matt: Yeah.

Mikey: Well, I think the Harry Potter demographic is also way more skewed towards girls. Like, I think our show, we have probably a little bit more even than - probably 78 - I don't think that's the real number. I think guys just don't admit to listening to it.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Because I remember I used to listen to it, and I didn't admit to it for a long time.

Andrew: Well, yeah, I mean that comes from a survey, so more girls could have, but like, when you look at our emails, there's definitely more girls.

Matt: And when you see, like, conventions and stuff in the fandom, I mean, there are a lot of - there are a lot of guys too in the fandom, but there are just so many girls that over-dominate it.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Mikey: But you also got to remember, if you look at our Muggle Mail for today, the three emails have been from guys, and then our next two are from girls.

Muggle Mail: Book 3 and Book 7 Parallel

Matt: Our next email comes from Isabelle, 18, of Missouri, and she writes:

"Hi! I'm currently re-reading all seven of the 'Harry Potter' books. I'm on 'Prisoner of Azkaban' right now, and I just read the part of Chapter 13 on page 265 of the American version, where Ron wakes up to Sirius standing over him. Well, right before, Harry is having a dream where he is following something silver-white through a forest and reaching a clearing, and Ron interrupts the dream when he starts screaming. I think that the dream could possibly be foreshadowing the fact that, four years later in Book 7, he's following a Patronus, which happens to be silver-white through a forest, finding Gryffindor's sword. And right after that, Ron makes another very unexpected interruption, saving his life. Just a little something I caught. I'd love to hear what you guys think. Sorry if you've already discussed this. I love your show, keep up the good work."

Andrew: That is really cool.

Laura: Yeah, that's a really neat little correlation that you found. I like it.

Andrew: Do you think that's actually the connection?

Mikey: Yeah. I think it is.

Matt: I think it's a nice Easter egg, yeah.

Mikey: I think it is. I think it is. There's no doubt in my mind that it is.

Andrew: Jo made it just basic enough where in case she wanted to change it, she could still work around it.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Sounds right. Good job, Isabelle.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: But it's also one of those things where, you know, when we go through those books before the seventh book is out, are we really going to notice his dream if it had any significance?

Matt: No.

Mikey: No. Especially, you know, in Prisoner of Azkaban there's almost no mention of Lord Voldemort. It's all about Sirius.

Matt: Yeah.

Mikey: So it's really kind of one of those, you know...

Matt: I always love those little things you do when you reread the books and you find out the little, like, foreshadowings that you never really caught when you read it the first time.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Mikey: Well, yeah, it's like one of those things where like, everything from all the books were so important, you know, stuff that you just didn't even think about.

Matt: Yeah. That's why it's so much fun to re-read the books after, you know, the end of the series.

Matt: That's why it's so much fun to reread the books after, you know, the end of the series.

Muggle Mail: Contradiction in Books

Andrew: Yeah. Okay next e-mail comes from Kanda Darwish, 15, of Beirut, Lebanon. Wow.

"First of all, I want to say that I absolutely love this podcast even though I haven't been listening to it for long. I'm absolutely in love with all of you." Aww, thank you! Everyone: Aww...

Andrew: "Okay, now my question. I may - I might have misunderstood, or J.K. Rowling could have contradicted herself. She's done it before. In Book 6, when Dumbledore is showing Harry the memory when he declined - where he declines Voldemort the DADA job, doesn't Dumbledore say that they haven't had a DADA teacher for more than a year ever since he refused the post to Voldemort? But in the first book, I remember J.K. Rowling mentioning that Professor Quirrell taught for more than one year. Did I misunderstand? Did Quirrell only teach for only one year? Thanks!"

Laura, did you look into this? Is there...

Laura: I didn't specifically look into it, but I do believe she's right.

Andrew: Hmmm.

Mikey: She is right, but I remember reading somewhere that she actually said in - because someone asked this question, like, a long time ago. I don't know if it was here, Leaky, or one of the other po - websites that actually posts the news. I'm sure it was MuggleNet, 'cause that's the site I check all the time. But... [laughs] know, it could have been the other sites 'cause I do look at them all. But I remember she saying that it was - remember how Quirrell met Voldemort on his travels? He was a teacher, and then he was gone, and then he came back. I don't know if he was DADA teacher before, or if he was a teacher of something else, and on his travels he then came back as a DADA teacher.

Andrew: Mhm.

Mikey: But she said he used to teach at Hogwarts, she never said what he taught, but then he did go leave for his, you know, journey in research, and then he came back. So I don't think he ever taught two years in a row as a DADA teacher.

Laura: Okay.

Matt: And he may not have actually, you know - we may just be going by, like, full years. Maybe he never taught for more than two full years. He probably taught...

Mikey: [laughs] 'Cause he died, you know.

Matt: Yeah, like, the whole year, like, before Harry got there, and, you know, you can probably say that, you know, Quirrell didn't stay for the entire year of Harry's first year, because he died. But...

Laura: Well, he - he...

Mikey: [laughs] That's really stretching it, though. The end of the year, anyway.

Matt: Yeah, well, I'm trying to find some loopholes or something.

Mikey: Well we, you know - I think - I think her justification is that, you know, he left and then he came back.

Matt: Or maybe Dumbledore is just saying what the rumor that all the students keep trying to make is that no - no teacher of the Defense Against the Dark Arts ever stayed for more than one year. So maybe, you know, that's what Dumbledore told Harry because that's what all the students think.

Andrew: Quoting the Lexicon, "Quirrell was a professor of Muggle Studies and later of Defense Against the Dark Arts. In between holding these two posts, he took a year off to gain experience dealing with dark arts."

Mikey: I was right. I told you! I don't look that stuff up. I just know.

Laura: Well, that explains it.

Andrew: Well, you're so smart, Mikey. Good job!

Matt: Wow.

Mikey: I remember the - see, I retain...

Andrew: You're so quick with Google searching. It's unbelievable.

[Laura laughs]

Mikey: No I didn't - I didn't Google search at all! I'm just remembering stuff.

Andrew: I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

Mikey: I retain the stuff I read!

Andrew: I'm just kidding.

Muggle Mail: Price of Book 1 Anniversary Edition and a Micah Complaint

Laura: Our last Muggle Mail comes from Janet of St. Louis, Missouri. She says:

"I had a couple of quick things. You guys kept mentioning that the price for the anniversary edition is $30, but that is actually the list price and Amazon already has it at 19."

Andrew: True that!

Laura: Thanks for that. So, we'll keep that in mind as we're deciding whether or not we're going to go out and buy this thing.

Andrew: Nineteen bucks? I'll purchase it. But go ahead.

Laura: [laughs] I won't. Anyway...

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: She goes on to say:

"Also, the last couple of episodes, Micah hasn't seemed very into things revolving around 'Harry Potter.' That's the impression I get when I listen to him on MuggleCast. As a fan, it's hard to hear someone talk about the news if this is something that they no longer feel passionately about. Maybe it is just me and I'm completely wrong about this, but it just seems like lately he's not into it anymore. I mean no disrespect, but I wanted to voice my opinion."

Andrew: Well, Micah found it very important that this e-mail was addressed, but of course he's, you know - he's out with his college buddies in, what was it, West Side Manhattan?

Matt: [laughs] It's not so important for him to be on this episode.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: But it is important, that e-mail. So...

Mikey: Micah loves Harry Potter.

Andrew: Micah - yeah, Micah just does it to be funny. He's not serious when he pretends like the news isn't important. He's just doing it to be funny. He's going for the little show personality there, which I respect him for.

Matt: I mean, you'd be surprised at how much, you know, Micah does for the show.

Andrew: Micah does a lot for the show and for MuggleNet.

Laura: He's constantly IMing all of us with news stories, like all the time.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Laura: I'm not even kidding. So he definitely loves what he does, so...

Mikey: I would almost say he "squees" at times.

Andrew: He does squee. I've seen him squee.

[Matt laughs]

Mikey: I have seen him squee. I think he's...

Matt: That's a scary image.

Mikey: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Micah going, "squee!"

Andrew: Ah, okay.

Mikey: Anyway...

Andrew: Hopefully we cleared that up, Janet. But, you know, it's just Micah trying to be funny. I mean, we understand he's not funny, but we just go along with it.

Matt: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Just let him - let him be delusional right now.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: He doesn't have a lot of people laughing at his jokes. Obviously, you didn't, so...

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Mikey: Janet, thank you for the e-mail.

Chapter-by-Chapter, Chapter 32, "The Elder Wand"

Andrew: All right, well, this week, it is our sixth to last Chapter-by-Chapter. This week we are discussing "The Elder Wand," Chapter 32.

Matt: Everyone, get your books.

Mikey: Yay!

Andrew: And as Mikey pointed out to me earlier before we recorded, and as I've said before, it would have been such a good title for the book. I thought it would have been a really cool name.

Mikey: Yeah, but then it gives away way too much information.

Fred's Death

Andrew: So we'll start of with the beginning, which we sort of - we talked about very briefly at the end of Chapter-by-Chapter last week. Fred Weasley's death.

Matt: Fred Weasley is dead, guys.

Laura: [gasps] No!

Matt: Yes. And we actually got a lot of e-mails about that too. A lot of people - a lot of the listeners weren't - were kind of upset that we didn't talk about Fred Weasley's death as much, and basically - but we're talking about it now because there's more to talk about because they actually, you know, embrace - well, not really embraced, but they actually center on Fred's death more in this chapter, and so...

Mikey: Yeah.

Matt: So, in this chapter Harry cannot really grasp Fred's death. His mind is at a free fall, the book says; he can't really focus on, you know - it's not even real to him, you know? He just sees Fred, he knows that Fred is dead, but his mind just can't calculate it, you know?

Mikey: And he can't even look at him.

Matt: Yeah.

Mikey: There's a point where him and Percy are stashing the body behind the suit of armor, and it says, I don't remember the exact line, but it says like, he didn't look at it any longer than he absolutely had to, so...

Matt: Yeah, and that's later on in the chapter when they hide his body.

Mikey: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Mikey: Well, it's when he's dead, and they pull him away, we're still going to talk about it, Matt.

Matt: Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry!

Mikey: Yeah, yeah. I'm just - yeah.

Matt: Okay. [laughs]

Mikey: Sorry, but yeah, no, I agree with you that his mind was free falling, and it was hard, you know? I don't - besides his parents and everyone else in his family that, you know, that have died and left him, you know, it was right there and happened in front of him, just like Dumbledore.

Andrew: I've been trying to think about how J.K. Rowling has described the other deaths, like Sirius's and Dumbledore's, the other two people that were probably closest to Harry, and, I mean, this is right up there with their - with the way Harry felt towards them, and then I started thinking, well, why does Harry feel so - so...

Mikey: It's different though. Fred Weasley wasn't a mentor to Harry, he was a peer.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: He was a brother.

Mikey: Yeah, he was a brother. It's one of those things where, I've had friends, you know, young friends, really good friend of mine, my first episode of MuggleCast, I found out that day she died. Completely unexpected; she was twenty-two at the time, and it's one of those things where it's really different. You know, I've had a grandparent die, and it really sucks, having a family member a die that you're close to, but having a peer die?

Matt: Yeah.

Mikey: It really changes a lot in you, because now you start questioning your own mortality, in a sense that...

Matt: It definitely hits a lot closer to home.

Mikey: ...I'm only twenty-two, and I'm like, how much longer am I going to live? Obviously, I hope to live until I'm old, and, you know, ready to pass on, but, you know, if a friend of mine can pass at twenty-two, completely unexpected, you know, bad stuff can happen. And, you know, Fred Weasley showed that the trio - obviously we knew the trio was going to make it through, 'cause, you know, she said that a long time ago, but it kind of gives you a little bit more realism that they're not invincible, because they're peers, Ron and Percy's brother.

Matt: Yeah, I think you're right.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I think that's why it hit Harry especially because he's been so close to the Weasley family, and now the Weasley family is suddenly dismantled.

Matt: Mhm. Well, I also think that Mikey's right on the fact, what he said. It's a lot more different having an authority figure or respected mentor die rather than having one of your close friends or a peer die, who's around the same age as you.

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: Because...

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: just see them differently. Percy, who's with them right now, who's the older brother that they - that they just...

Mikey: Just welcomed back.

Matt: back.

Mikey: Yeah.

Matt: So Percy - this is a huge blow to Percy, and he just can't grasp it. He's just protecting him, holding him over. He won't let go of Fred, and the one who's actually trying to bring him back into, you know, the reality of the situation is his younger - is his youngest brother, Ron, who himself is just...

Mikey: Bawling.

Matt: ...completely just crestfallen from this entire blow.

Mikey: He's got tears running down his cheeks.

Matt: Right, and - and it's just a sad scene to see. So I guess...

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: Okay, so moving along in the chapter...

Mikey: I want to see this in the movie. I'm sorry. I just think this would be a very emotional moment, and I think it would be really good.

Andrew: It'll be in the movie. This is one of the big times.

Mikey: It has to be. I just really want - like I hate to see the death of a Weasley. I hate to see Fred's death, really. Like, I would hate to see the death of anybody, just even the first movie, seeing Harry's parents die is really sad all the time to me, but...

Matt: Yeah.

Mikey: ...I really want to see, and I hope they pull this off really well, you know, because I'm a visual person and I think this is going to be a huge moment, just because, you know, I know people that mourned Fred Weasley for months, like literally mourned him, like a real person, and, you know, he was important. I'm all sad now.

The Spiders Attack

Andrew: So, these spiders start to come in and fight the students in the castle, and it's kind of unexpected and kind of - it's kind of - it's a morbid thing to see. What do you think they're doing here? I mean, did Dumbledore - or sorry, did Voldemort tell them to come in? Because it seems like - how would they get them to unless they were under the Imperius Curse, or...

Matt: Yeah, I always wondered about this. I mean, is this just a little cameo that Jo put in, you know, now that...

Laura: Well, I mean...

Matt: We kind of left it to, you know, when Aragog died in the last book in Half-Blood Prince. Now that Aragog's not there to protect or to hold back the spiders, they're free to do whatever they want.

Laura: Yeah, well, we also saw in Chamber of Secrets that Aragog said that the only reason his children didn't harm Hagrid was because he told them not to. So like you said, with him gone, there's no one stopping them from having free reign over the grounds. And furthermore, we know that one of the downfalls of the quote on quote good side is that they never paid proper respect to magical creatures, and Voldemort would not really give them that respect, but he would give them things in order to make them feel respected, so it's not unreasonable to assume that Voldemort might have done something for the spiders or offered them something, so that they would be on his side.

Hermione Switches Gears

Matt: So, moving along in the chapter, Hermione - they hide Fred's body and Hermione is asking Harry to now go into Voldemort's mind to actually use Harry's ability to go into Voldemort's mind and actually do it himself. And I was just in awe that Hermione has gone from the complete opposite side of the spectrum in this situation with Harry and Voldemort's connection.

Laura: Yeah.

Mikey: It's a "I told you so" moment.

Andrew: Didn't a couple chapters ago she do something similar like that?

Matt: Harry went into Voldemort's mind, and it was the first time Hermione was intrigued on what she saw. But this is the first time she's actually telling him to go into Voldemort's mind and see where he is and - because he has Nagini with him.

Laura: I guess that's just one of those like "what do we have left to lose?" moments, you know?

Mikey: It's the whole - it's the Hail Mary.

Voldemort's in the Shrieking Shack

Andrew: So they find out that he's in the Shrieking Shack and...

Mikey: Yay! Shrieking Shack.

Andrew: ...something.

Matt: Why is he there?

Andrew: Yeah, that's what we're wondering. Why is he there?

Laura: Because it's protected.

Matt: Yeah, but I mean - do you think that Wormtail told Voldemort of a good hiding place?

Mikey: Yeah.

Matt: Because he would be - I mean since he's one of the Marauders, he would probably be one of the only ones who would be able to tell Voldemort where he could hide during this whole battle. That he could actually see the battle from happening but still be a safe enough distance away.

Laura: Well, and Snape also knew where it was too.

Matt: Yeah.

Mikey: Only because he followed, you know, Ron and Harry...

Matt: That's true too.

Mikey: ...and Hermione.

Matt: Oh no, but he was also there when he almost got killed.

Mikey: I think Voldemort knew about it. I think he knew. The Shrieking Shack was there before the Marauders were there, but I think he knew about it because we know Tom Riddle knew a lot about Hogwarts. You know, he found the Chamber of Secrets. I think he knew about it.

Andrew: I guess the question just was, what significance does Voldemort have with it, but...

Matt: I think it's basically just mainly a...

Mikey: Bringing back a familiar place.

Matt: ...bringing back a familiar place, yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: All right so moving along, Voldemort is with Lucius.

Mikey: Actually - actually, can we go back to it real quick?

Andrew: What?

Mikey: I just wanted to make a point why they would use that versus some new place.

Andrew: Okay.

Matt: Okay.

Mikey: You know, it makes sense for her to bring back a location that they have talked about before, especially they have also described. Just because, you know, during this heated moment...

Andrew: If you said something else we probably don't want to slow the pace down.

Mikey: What?

Andrew: If you - if you said - if you introduced a new place, you're slowing the pace down.

Mikey: Yeah, you're slowing the pace down, exactly, and that's one of the reasons why I'm assuming she used this, because it fits, and you don't have to describe it anymore, because you don't have to slow that pace down.

Andrew: Right.

Mikey: If you say "Shrieking Shack," everyone who's reading this book knows what the Shrieking Shack is.

Andrew: Yeah, that's a good point.

Mikey: You've read it in other books. We've seen it in the movies too, so...

In the Shrieking Shack

Matt: So, we see Voldemort and Lucius in the Shrieking Shack, and pretty much all - Lucius is like curled up in a corner. He got the crap kicked out of him, pretty much, from Voldemort, and all he's doing is pleading for Voldemort, you know, to stop the battle, "my son is in there," and pretty much just all he's doing. He's just pleading for his son's life. And - I don't...

Mikey: He's not pleading for his son's life. He's pleading to find out what has happened to his son.

Laura: Well, and he's...

Matt: Well, it's kind of the same thing. I mean, he knows if his son is in there by himself, he's going to be killed.

Laura: Yeah. Well, what he's basically doing is just pretending to be on Voldemort's side in order to ensure that his son stays safe. Like he sits there and says, you know, "Wouldn't it be prudent to call off the battle, you know, to find him yourself?" And then Voldemort essentially tells him, "Well, don't try and play games with me. The only thing you care about at this point is the safely of your son." So this is a complete turning point for the Malfoys. We see that they've completely disregarded any alliance they've had with Voldemort previously, so I think it's interesting.

Andrew: Definitely.

Matt: Yeah. And basically - and he told both, Snape and Lucius, that there's no reason to call off the fight in case Potter might be killed, because he knows for a fact, he's 100% certain, that Harry will come to him, mainly because he knows that he's going after the Horcruxes, and he has Nagini with him.

Laura: Mhm.

Mikey: Yup. That's pretty - that much - that in a nutshell.

Andrew: Which makes me also wonder, because...

Mikey: Actually, you know what though? Just so we correct you now, because I don't want you to get a bunch of emails about this, he didn't tell that to Snape. Snape wasn't there yet. He ended up telling Lucius to go fetch Snape afterwards.

Matt: Right, but he told Snape the same thing when Snape was there with him.

Mikey: Did he afterwards?

Matt: Yes he did.

Mikey: I don't remember. I'm sure he did. Okay. Sorry, Matt. I apologize.

Andrew: But the other interesting thing is, if Voldemort was expecting Harry to show up anyway, why wasn't - why - doesn't he think Harry would be hiding in the - in the Shrieking Shack somewhere? Does he really think Harry would just walk in the room where he's sitting with Nagini? You know what I mean?

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: 'Cause like, Voldemort should have known. He was just like...

Mikey: Voldemort's - Voldemort's arrogance is his, you know, his... Matt and Mikey together: Greatest downfall.

Matt: Yes.

Laura: Mhm.

Mikey: His greatest weakness. You know, it's like in Star Wars. It says, "Your arrogance is your weakness. Your trust in your friends is yours!"

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: But, you know, it's the same thing. You know, Harry's trust in his friends - who - who killed Nagini? Come on. It - it was, you know, Neville.

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: That's right!

Mikey: I was waiting for you guys to answer. Come on!

Andrew: Sorry.

Matt: Sorry.

Mikey: But yeah, no, it was his friend, you know. He trusted in his friends to take care of, you know, what needed to be done.

McGonagall, Warrior Princess

Matt: Going back, Harry goes back into - out of Voldemort's mind, and - I wrote this scene in, just because it's one of my favorite scenes in the entire chapter and the battle, is McGonagall has a herd of desks galloping down the corridor...

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: And you see her with her hair down, a huge gash, I mean she's like this war - this warrior princess, and...

[Everybody laughs]Laura: Like Xena?

Matt: I could just so see Maggie Smith with a wand in her hand going, "CHARGE!" And all these desks just come out of nowhere, just going down the corridor, beating up all these Death Eaters. I just...

Mikey: Matt, have you listened to Jim Dale's description of that?

Matt: No, I haven't.

Mikey: You really should. I have the audiobook on my computer.

Andrew: It's like straight out of Beauty and the Beast.

Mikey: Yeah...

Matt: Yeah.

Mikey: It's pretty awesome.

Laura: [laughs] That's what I was thinking too. [laughs]

Mikey: It's pretty awesome.

Matt: Mhm.

Mikey: I'm excited for that scene.

[Andrew laughs]

Ron Punches Draco

Matt: And so after the trio sees, you know, McGonagall kicking butt, they see Draco - this is a good scene too - they see Draco pleading with a fellow Death Eater that, you know, he's on their side, don't kill him, he's on their side. And then Harry stuns the Death Eater, and then Ron comes out from underneath the Invisibility Cloak and just punches Draco square in the face and called him, like, "this is the second time we saved your life, you two-faced bastard."

Andrew: Naughty language from Jo. Kind of...

Matt: They're seventeen.

Laura: Yeah, I know.

Andrew: [laughs] They're seventeen, it's okay!

Matt: Yeah, if they say it in the books, we can say it on the show.

Andrew: I know, we established that rule.

Matt: Okay.

Andrew: Last year.

Matt: So what did you guys think of this scene?

[Laura laughs]

Matt: I just - I couldn't help but giggle when I read that.

Laura: Yeah. It was kind - it was a nice little light moment to kind of brighten up the intensity of the chapter, I think.

Andrew: Yeah.

Greyback Attacks Lavender

Matt: [sighs] So, okay, moving along, we also see - we see Fenrir Greyback attacking Lavender Brown on the ground, which is kind of a very violent, very gruesome scene. I mean Fenrir Greyback is pretty much feeding off of Lavender Brown before Hermione stuns him. And do you guys think that - I mean we see - we know that Lavender is still moving after the attack, so does that mean that she'll have like the same werewolf qualities as - what's his name?

Laura: Did he actually bite her?

Matt: Well, he attacked - I mean he was...

Mikey: I think he was going to attack her...

Laura: I think Hermione stopped him before he was able to.

Matt: Oh, okay. Well, she was - well, she was already on the ground, though.

Laura: Yeah, they fell. It says, "Two bodies fall from the balcony overhead as they reach the ground, and a gray blur Harry took for an animal sped four-legged across the hall to sink its teeth into one of the fallen."

Matt: That's it.

Laura: And then Hermione stuns him before he can get to her.

Matt: Okay.

Trelawney and Her Crystal Balls

Mikey: Yeah, it says, "'No!' shrieked Hermione, with a deafening blast from her wand. Fenrir Greyback was thrown backwards from the feebly struggling body of Lavender Brown. He hit the marble banister and struggled to return to his feet. Then, with a bright white flash and a crack of a crystal ball, fell on top of his head, and he crumbled to the ground and did not move."

Matt: And guess who had the crystal ball?

Mikey: Trelawney! Whoo! Sorry.

Matt: Miss Professor Trelawney!

Matt: I think that was just fun. Just to see Professor Trelawney...

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: ...actually doing something.

Mikey: You know what? I think it shouldn't have been a crystal ball that fell on his head. I think it should have been a sherry bottle.

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: Those are too priceless to her.

Mikey: It's like, "Everyone's going to die!" [makes explosion noise]

Matt: I can just see Trelawney going through her purse going, "Okay, crystal ball, sherry bottle - oh, no no no no no no. Okay, we're doing the crystal ball. I need this."

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: "I need that bottle to celebrate later."

Mikey: "I need the sherry bottle. We'll throw away my crystal ball."

Matt: "I need to celebrate after this. I'm going to need a little something to take the edge off."

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Yeah, so Lavender Brown was still struggling...

Andrew: But the...

Mikey: ...and wasn't dead.

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