MuggleCast EP14 Transcript (continued)



Goblet of Fire Sweepstakes


Andrew: Oh, by the way, our Goblet of Fire Sweepstakes on MuggleNet.com. Click on that fine banner. Warner Bros. is great. Have you guys looked at these prizes yet?

Laura: No.

Andrew: Excellent prizes! Excellent prizes! We have Potter Sweatshirts, Dragon Eggs, future Triwizard Champion t-shirts, Ministry of Magic bags, temporary tattoos.

Laura: Ooooh!

Andrew: Come on! [Laughs]

Kevin: Ah! Everyone loves those temporary tattoos.

Andrew: Beauxbatons hoodies and beanies.

Eric: "Beauxbaxtons"?

Andrew: It's all here! Oh, oh, and then the Grand Prize, worth a $125, a seven-inch replica of the Triwizard Tournament Cup thanks to the Noble Collection.

Kevin: And you can count, and you can count on me winning that. So, don't even bother.

[All laugh]

Andrew: No, we're playing absolutely fair.

Kevin: Yeah, we're not allowed to win it. So...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: They give us an extra one.

Andrew: They should. We've been getting a lot of e-mails too about where we can get these from, where people can buy these from. We don't know yet. I mean, the Triwizard Cup you can get off of NobleCollection.com. The Potter Sweatshirt, which is the favorite among everyone because it looks like his jacket he worse in the Triwizard Tournament scene, I mean the Dragon Scene.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Cool.

Andrew: It's actually a really sweet jacket. I want one, but I'm not going to get it. Some lucky person is going to win it.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Speaking of...

Laura: We'll get you one for Christmas.

Andrew: Ah, would you?

Kevin: No. We wouldn't.

[All laugh]

Andrew: Okay. By the way, guys. Christmas is right around the corner. We all want Christmas presents.

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: Yes, we do.

Laura: Cough up.

Andrew: No joke. No joke.

Eric: Harry Potter iPod.

Kevin: I don't get Christmas presents. [Fake sobs]

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Awww!

Kevin: No, I'm teasing. I do get Christmas presents, but still...

Andrew: All right, so I think that's about it.

Eric: Ummm.

Andrew: Goblet of Fire.

Kevin: Send in book recommendations.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: And speaking of t-shirts, if you have, once again we're asking that if you have a nearby custom t-shirt store, that you create a MuggleCast t-shirt to wear to the premiere, if you're coming, and make copies for us.

[All laugh]

Kevin: Make copies for us. Okay, that's great.

Eric: I mean copies, extra shirts, make shirts for us too and we'll wear them.

Kevin: Awesome.



Main Topic - Ginny Weasley


Andrew: Okay, so moving along to our Main Topic of the Week.

Eric: Ginny Whizzey.

Andrew: Continuing our regular series on a specific character in the HP series to bring out everything we need to know about that character. This week as promised, Eric?

Eric: Ginny Whizzey.

Andrew: Ginny Whizzey.

Eric: Ginny Whizzey.

Kevin: Say it with enthusiasm.

Eric: Ginny Whizzey!

Kevin: There you go.

Eric: There we go.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Today... This...

Andrew: Ginny Whizzey, Ginny Whizzey.

Eric: This week we're talking about Ginny Whizzey.

Andrew: Let's run through a few quick facts first about, all about her.

Laura: She is the only girl.

Eric: Yes, and if I remember, she was the first girl, she was the first Weasley that Harry saw at Kings Cross if I recall correctly.

Laura: I think she was, well, I think she was there with Mrs. Weasley and Ron, but I think she was definitely the first person he heard talk.

Eric: Heard. Yeah. Actually...

Laura: I don't know. We might be wrong again. We do that sometimes.

Kevin: Could be.

Eric: Hang on, I have the first book.

Andrew: No guarantees. Her full name, Ginevra Molly Weasley. Born: August 11, 1981. She is a pureblood, thankfully.

Laura: What, are you prejudiced here?

Andrew: Her first year at Hogwarts. No, no, no.

Kevin: You just said, "thankfully."

Andrew: Her first...

[All laugh]

Andrew: Because I didn't want Draco to insult her. Duh!

[All laugh]

Laura: You're so full of it!

Andrew: Her first year at Hogwarts, 1992, Gryffindor House. A Seeker for the Gryffindor team, isn't that great? Yay!

Kevin: That's excellent.

Laura: Yay!

Andrew: The Weasleys, they're taking over the Quidditch.

Kevin: They are.

Andrew: Is it a genes thing?

Kevin: It's possible. It's distinctly possible.

Andrew: Genes in the Weasleys.

Eric: Quidditch. It's actually the they have out in the back of their house. You know, all that summer practice?

Laura: Ah.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Anyway...

[Kevin laughs]

Andrew: She's not a Parselmouth, but of particular interest, she named Dumbledore's Army.

Laura: Oh.

Kevin: Oh she did. You're right.

Andrew: There you go. Thanks to the HP Lexicon for all that info. No, I didn't pull it out of my head. You kidding me!

Eric: You know I was actually fairly certain I hoped at least, that Ginny's first name was Virginia and not Ginevra because...

Laura: Yeah, so was I until we found out.

Eric: It was like, yeah....Virginia. But actually clarifying, Ginny was the first Weasley child that Harry took note of when he is at Platform 9 and 3/4, when he's at Kings Cross Station. Molly says, "Packed with Muggles" and that gets Harry's attention and then she asks, "What's the platform number?" and Ginny says, "9 and 3/4". And...yeah. "9 and 3/4" piped a small girl, also red-headed who was holding her hand. "Mum, can't I go?"

Laura: Just a general interest question. Who on here, when they first started reading the books, actually called her 'Ginny'. [With a hard "G" sound]

Kevin: I didn't, for sure.

Laura: I did.

Andrew: I don't think it anyone did.

Eric: I think that was a strictly...

Andrew: Really?

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: I thought that was a strictly Laura thing to do. I don't know.

Laura: [Laughs] No, I was eleven. I actually got the first three books for my eleventh birthday. I know, pretty cool. And as I'm reading the 1st Book I kept calling her 'Ginny' [With a hard "G" sound] and I'm reading it out loud at one point and my mom's like...gives me this look like "Are you a moron? It's Ginny!". So...

Eric: Well...

Andrew: At eleven years old!

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: It's one of those things where if you've seen the name before and if you've seen it written, you know how to pronounce it like...actually is Hermione a common name or is it like a name...like where does...

Laura: I actually looked that up at one point and according to Behindthename.com, we don't have to, we can just leave that out if we need to, don't have to plug them, but according to that site Hermione was actually a fairly popular name in Britain in the '20's and '30's.

Eric: Kind of like Emma or Emily and, you know? Gertrude here in the States.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: Yeah, so that's really interesting because I'm wondering where does JKR get all her names from, I mean, she has this extensive you know, list of everybody's you know, Latin origins and everybody's mythology and you know, she delves into like all of it. And some of it, I mean is probably even unintentional and she just goes so far into it with the creation of a name.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: And I'm wondering if they're also like popular names as well.

Laura: Well, also I mean, you've definitely got some mythological influences because Hermione in Greek Mythology was the woman loved by two men, but this is not the HermioneCast. So...

Eric: I don't think it's Harry and Ron either. We don't want to get those emails.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: The two men are Ron and Draco, okay. I'm establishing that right now.

Laura: Draco?

Eric: It's better than Harry.

Laura: Try Krum.

Eric: Okay yeah, Krum, alright Krum and Ron. That works.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Actually, talking about Ginny, since that's what we were supposed to do in this Cast, I have to say that I actually called the Ginny/Harry relationship. I actually was...I was very pleased in Book 6 to find that my 'ship had sailed because...not that I ship Harry characters because I really, really don't but I was pleased to see because I thought that Ginny would make a really good potential girlfriend for Harry and it's really a shame because with all the romance in Book 6, we really didn't see Harry and Ginny together at all.

Andrew: When did you predict this?

Eric: Throughout the series when I was reading, I just thought, "Oh gee, wouldn't it be nice, you know, for Ginny". Because you have crazy girls like Cho and stuff and then you have Ginny who has always liked Harry, and who is actually growing into not just you know, this giddy little girl, but this actually really good defenseful...you know? So, I was very happy, I was like, "Hey!" you know?

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: I kind of always...I never really shipped the characters, but I always thought that Ginny and Harry should really happen and I was very happy that it did.

Laura: I never really cared all that much. I'm kind of like you, Eric, I just was like, "Oh okay, that's cool."

Eric: Yeah, kind of tuned it out. You still read the romance scenes but they don't really exist in your mind.

Laura: Yeah. Pretty much.

Andrew: Maybe one day we should do a whole podcast on well, our main topic, should be 'shipping because I just don't see what the big deal about it is.

Laura: Valentine's Day! That should be like the special Valentine's Cast.

Andrew: Oh, good idea!

Eric: Valentine's! Yeah, okay, Valentine's Cast, alright.

Andrew: If podcast thing is still in style in February, let's mark that down.

Laura: It will be.

Andrew: But I just don't see the whole thrill of this 'shipping thing.

Laura: No, no.

Andrew: It's because I'm a guy.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: You're up for the adventure, not for the romance.

Laura: Hey!

Eric: You're going to get flamed.

Laura: Hey I'm a girl, and I don't think the 'shipping is all that.

Eric: Yeah let's not get into this all right.

Laura: Yeah, we'll get into this whole...

Eric: We're talking about Ginny here, we're talking about Ginny. Now it's interesting...okay fine, I'll just start another topic like I have been doing. Okay. The Parselmouth thing, I thought for sure, again, like with the Virginia thing, I thought it would be really cool if Ginny were still a Parselmouth from when Riddle possessed her, and I thought that would be a kind of really cool way of leaving his powers with Ginny since he talked Parselmouth through her, I thought it would be cool if she retained those. But then JKR said that she didn't. So.

Laura: And I'm pretty sure that has something to do with Horcruxes not being able to transfer power.

Eric: Exactly. I was just going to get to that. Laura, you're brilliant.

Laura: Thank you.

Eric: If Harry is a Horcrux then why does he have Voldemort's powers, even when Voldemort's not acting through him? Oooh. Booya!

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Take that all you Horcrux-Harry 'shipper people.

Andrew: All right, so let's take a couple of voicemails right now. Keep this convo going.

Eric: About Ginny.

[Audio]: Hi MuggleCast, this is Katrina from Canada. On her website, JK Rowling says that Ginny is the first girl born into the Weasley Clan in a few generations. Do you think that this has some effect on the person that she is and the character that she will mature into in Book 7?

Laura: Yeah, I think it will because you see a lot of pressure just from Ron by being the youngest boy, so you've got to imagine being the youngest girl with all those siblings.

Kevin: Yeah, but do you think...

Laura: You feel like you have a lot to live up to so I think she really has that motivation and it's really toughened her up.

Kevin: Yeah, but do you think that will affect her in Book 7 even after she's lived with that her whole life?

Laura: I think you'll always have some type of...she might always feel like she's in competition with her brothers in a way, but she seems like a pretty strong personality to me. Like she handles them really well.

Kevin: I think it's already changed her but she's not going to change any more because of it.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. I agree.

Kevin: I find it hard to believe that, you know, she's going to...

Georgia: I think with having so many brothers, you know that scene where she was caught by Ron in the cupboard snogging and they had that little bit of a fight and how harsh she was to Ron and everything?

Kevin: Yes.

Laura: Yeah that was good.

Georgia: I think that a lot of that is to do with all the boys that have been around her and the second she has a boyfriend or something there's all this pressure?

Kevin: I agree, and they all want to kick his butt. I think Ron wanted to kick...who was Ginny with?

Laura: Dean.

Eric: Yeah, but that's the other thing with Ginny, she not only has to deal with all those brothers, but she has to deal with a brother like Ron who tends to be...yeah, hypocritical and you know, very emotional when it comes to what his sister is doing that he isn't. So, you know, I think it's in Ron's personality, Ron's personality makes it a little bit harder for Ginny to deal with, but I think she gets by very well.

Kevin: So, I think we all agree that she's not going to change any more than she has.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Based on her...yeah.

Kevin: There's no reason for her to...

Andrew: Well, you mean change as in what?

Kevin: Well, I mean she asks whether because of this she's going to...is it going to effect her the way she matures in Book 7 but I...

Georgia: Yeah, I don't think her character has much more growth.

Laura: Yeah.

Georgia: You know? She's been developed over the fifth and sixth book and I think she's, we've got a firm idea of who she is now and I don't think she's going to change much in Book 7.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And I don't...

Laura: I agree.

Eric: If she does grow, if she does grow it will probably be more in the relationship sense as I did mention, we don't really see much of her and Harry in Book 6 even though they're together, they don't really show it.

Georgia: Yeah.

Eric: So, anymore maturity I think will come from Harry and her relationship and not be more of like family-related stuff.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, but I think she'll play her biggest role in Book 7.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Just because...

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: You know, I think that's the way it's been going and now they're in a relationship, so even though Harry doesn't want to, she's going to want to be near him and all that.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, I think though...I don't think that Jo is going to - again we touched on this, I don't even remember what episode - but I don't think the romance is going to have any bearing on the overall plot or...

Kevin: Well, it really can't.

Laura: Whether basically Harry and Ginny being together is not going to depend on whether Harry defeats Voldemort or not.

Eric: Yeah, I think one of the things that's smart about keeping Ginny close to Harry is that Ginny was possessed in Book 2 by Voldemort, so she's had that close contact with Voldemort and I think it's really important to see all the people close to Harry have really been affected directly.

Laura: Exactly.

Eric: By things that Voldemort has done. And it's kind of like an unlinking, like a step-by-step unlinking of him in Book 7 is what I foresee because everybody who is near him has had something happen to them and they're just going to, it's all going to come back. Like I mean, all the characters that come forward are going to...you know it's going to be brought up like what happened to them that Voldemort did. Including Neville. Andrew...is Andrew cutting out to anybody?

Kevin: Yeah he's breaking.

Laura: Yeah. He's breaking up pretty bad. A little.

Kevin: Still, yeah. It's like last time. Whoa, it's weird. Okay, so I think we explained that pretty well. I mean, again just to reiterate, she has matured enough so that her family situation is not going to effect what she becomes in Book 7.

Eric: Except...

Kevin: She's going to play a large role in Book 7, but the relationship isn't.

Eric: Except for a flower girl at Bill and Fleur's wedding.

Kevin: That's true.

Eric: But that's about it.

[Audio]: Hi MuggleCast, my name's Ellis and I'm coming to you from Wellington in New Zealand. My question this week is: Do you think there is any further connection between Ginny Weasley and Lord Voldemort? Also, why do you think Lucius Malfoy chose Ginny Weasley to receive the diary? More to the point, do you think Lucius knew that it was a Horcrux? Love to hear you guys' thoughts, thanks.

Andrew: Its a multiple-tiered question.

Georgia: I thought I, I don't know where I've got this from but I thought that Voldemort would have given Lucius the diary and told him to keep it safe or whatever, however he explains it, but I don't think he would have told his Death Eaters about all his Horcruxes and their locations because...I don't know.

Laura: No, I agree whole-heartedly. I don't think Lucius knew.

Eric: Yeah, it's actually said, it's actually said in the book, if I'm not mistaken, that Dumbledore speculates that when Voldemort gave Lucius the diary, he told him some things about like that it might bring the Chamber back open.

Georgia: Ah.

Eric: But he didn't tell them about the Horcrux.

Georgia: That's where I would have got my idea from then!

Eric: It was actually like speculated. Yes, JKR, the best source.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: And then even if you think about would he really risk putting that in, right in front of Dumbledore had he known?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: If he knew it was...

Eric: Right. The reason I think he chose Ginny was because he saw her as a weak girl and at that point, he was as, also as Dumbledore says, he was in it for his own selfish reasons and Arthur Weasley was conducting all these raids and stuff so wouldn't it be great to discredit Mr. Weasley by killing his daughter or, you know? And his daughter completely fit the type. She was a shy, kind of girl who would write a diary. So, it really worked.

Laura: Yeah. I agree, I think it was a total, just a hit on the Weasleys, just because he didn't like them and not to mention Lucius Malfoy and Arthur Weasley got into that huge fight right before Lucius put the diary...I think he actually slid it into one of Ginny's schoolbooks or something.

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: And threw it back at her. So, that might have been a little bit of inspiration for him as well.

Kevin: Yeah, but do you think that she, do you think he chose her specifically or just the opportunity presented itself?

Laura: It might have been a little bit of both. I think maybe he had an idea that he would like to do something like that to the Weasleys and maybe, I'm not sure whether or not he knew they had a young daughter. Maybe he saw her in there and realized that they did and was like, "Oh yeah, perfect!" and gave it to her.

Eric: He could have planted it on any Hogwarts student and he chose, he chose Ginny and that might have been that it presented itself, but I don't think he was sitting, "Okay we're going to corner them in Flourish and Blotts and I'm going to put it in their cauldron," you know?

Andrew: Would the outcome have had been any different though? If say, it was one of the other first years? Because I'm trying to remember how...well Harry found out that Ginny...it was Ginny.

Eric: They were in the staff room.

Andrew: Yeah. Right.

Eric: Yeah they were...it was in the staff room. It was Ron and Harry snuck into the staff wardrobe, before the boggart was in there.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: And they overheard that it was Ginny and so that's when they said...

Kevin: Well, overhead it was Ginny who was taken.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Who was taken, right. And then so yeah, it would have been another student who was taken down, but I think they might have reacted in the same way. They would have gotten frightened and tried to throw it away so the plot may have still played out a little bit, but I think it was important that it was Ginny.

Kevin: I'm not sure if it was important that it was Ginny. I think...

Laura: I think you definitely needed a timid personality for that.

Andrew: Yeah but I think, well you had to be very curious. You know? I think that's one of the things that Ginny played into.

Laura: Mhm.

Kevin: She was so curious over the diary.

Georgia: It was perfect for it to be Ginny because you know she's got all those brothers like we mentioned with the first voicemail and she is susceptible to, as in she has no one to share her secrets with, so therefore she's susceptible to Tom Riddle's weird little mind-powering thing.

Eric: Yeah. Georgia that's...

Laura: It's something she doesn't have to share with her brothers.

Georgia: Yeah.

Eric: Because she doesn't have a sister to share that with, you're right. That's...she has nobody to tell so she's going to tell Tom. I thought it was clever. Reading Book 2, itís always funny to see how they all have trouble starting off the day when they're going to Kings Cross and Ginny forgets her diary and they go back for it.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: I think that's so cool. I love it when JKR does that.

Laura: She's the Queen of Foreshadowing. I'm so jealous.

Kevin: Yeah, and it's funny because she foreshadows so far in advance that you don't see it coming.

Laura: Mhm. Oh, she's so good at it.

Eric: And you know what, does she do it intentionally? I mean you know, I think it's all about...

Laura: Yes!

Eric: It's all about her knowing how the septology is going to go and you know, how it's going to go. So I mean, all that stuff about her foreshadowing and stuff, people on message boards across the fandom are going and analyzing so much into the motivation behind every line and I'm in favor of that, by the way, but also some of the stuff that exists, I really don't think JKR is ever going to come forward and say, "I did all of it." I really don't think she's, you know she's not going to acknowledge that she actually, but I think it's really clever that we all see her as this omniscient, flawless character because so much has fit together like puzzle pieces into the thing.

Laura: Well, that's why we jump to so many conclusions like with Mark Evans.

Eric: Exactly, but JKR has said that she doesn't re-read her books and stuff and it's so awkward because how well the books fit together and how true they are and how little they are contradictory, it's so cool that she doesn't read her own books, which is...

Georgia: Well, she said in an interview once, a reporter came up to her and said something about the origin of the word Quidditch and JK Rowling actually said that she'd simply just written down a whole bunch of cool-sounding words that started with "Q" and picked one, but the reporter thought it had to do with quintessence or something like that.

[Laura laughs]

Georgia: Yeah, I don't quite remember the quote.

Eric: Eric.

Georgia: But yeah there are a lot of things that are accidental, but some things that are definitely planted.

Eric: And that's... Yeah. I think it would be interesting if she actually surveyed herself and did go through in the books and say how much was actually intentional and how much just formed itself. Because I think that's definitely a testament to the creative mind.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: But, more Ginny, yay!

[Audio]: Hey MuggleCast, this is Natalie from Harry Potter Fanzone.com and my question is, how do you guys feel about the relationship between Ginny and Harry and do you think that Ginny is worthy enough to be the girlfriend of the famous Harry Potter?

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: Yeah.

Georgia: I have supported that 'ship forever!

Laura: Sure.

Kevin: Yeah. Definitely.

Andrew: Not only that, I mean just because you're famous doesn't mean the person who you have a relationship with has to be. You know?

Georgia: I think Ginny can handle his fame and his popularity. She's such a strong character; I think that she can definitely be with him.

Eric: She can handle anything.

Laura: Yeah. And she's got the spunk to...

Georgia: I mean she survived from Voldemort.

Eric: Yeah. What about in Book 6 where it was about the tattoo or whatever where there was rumors going around that Harry had a tattoo?

Laura: [Laughs] Yeah!

Eric: And she goes, "I told them it was a Hippogriff, it was more manly" or something. She can handle any rumors going around about her and Harry; she just deals with his fame.

Georgia: Yeah.

Eric: And she just deals with it, to be with him, so it's really cool.

Georgia: And she's grown so much over the last two books and she's experienced a lot in common with Harry like how, especially with the whole Riddle thing being possessed and being a victim and everything, she can relate to him more than any other girl could.

Eric: And because Harry and the Weasleys are so close. You know, Harry and Mrs...and he's always over there, so they really do have a lot more in common.

Kevin: They do, especially...I think on a different level, their family situation as well. I mean she's like the odd person out in the family because she's the girl, like we said before. You know? And I think that Harry obviously is an odd person out in what you would call his family now with the Dursleys and I think that they can also relate on that level.

Eric: Yeah, so even...yeah, so that's an interesting point. So, even though they can relate through being a family they can also relate through not really being in the family.

Kevin: Exactly. I mean they, yeah sort of strange connection, but I think that just the fact that they have so much in common, makes it so that they are quite obviously a good couple. But what comes of that is the question.

Georgia: When Harry pulled the whole Spiderman thing at the end of the book, I think their relationship is just on hold, I don't think it's over at all.

[Everyone Laughs]

Laura: Yeah, I agree. Most definitely.

Eric: I love that, the Spiderman thing!

Kevin: Okay, that leads to a different point. Do you think that they will ever have a full relationship before the end of Book 7?

Eric: If Harry doesn't die, I want them to.

Laura: Well, I think - what I could really, honestly see happening is Harry and Ginny having like their little moments throughout Book 7.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: But, it won't be an official type thing until Voldemort's gone.

Andrew: Because they'll be so quick and there's going to be so much going on, it's just going to be like, "Hey! Dah dah dah dah dah!"

Eric: Okay right, you know what? I think we're going to...yeah.

Andrew: Sorry, Eric.

Eric: I think actually you know what? I'm thinking. No problem, Andrew. I think that we're going to see some James and Lily parallel. I really want to see a James and Lily parallel because James and Lily Potter defied Voldemort three times and so they really must have, even though we didn't get any insight into it much because Lily hated James in Book 5 in the Pensieve scene, they did work together to destroy Voldemort, and I think it would be really cool if we got kind of like a reminiscent James and Lily situation with Harry and Ginny, working together, you know? They like each other but they're also working towards defeating Voldemort.

Kevin: Yeah, that's what I was hoping for, something where they...they like each other but it's not a true relationship yet.

Eric: Yeah, but it will...yeah but they're fighting for...

Kevin: Just working together.

Laura: Right.

Eric: Yeah, and they're fight for Voldemort will strengthen their relationship as well.

Kevin: Exactly. And then they can, then she can wrap it up in the end, you know where she doesn't give a detailed account of the relationship, but she somewhat foreshadows to what's going to happen. You know?

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: You know, I think so much crap has happened to Harry that he really deserves a...he really deserves Ginny. He deserves to live.

Laura: He deserves a loving relationship definitely.

Eric: He deserves a loving relationship like Ginny can give him and I don't think Harry should die because if people knew that Harry died, and if Harry does die, who would read the books? Would you guys still read the books? If you knew that the character you're reading about.

Laura: Well.

Kevin: I would if she did it in a certain way.

Eric: Yeah, the character...

Laura: We'll have already read them. So, it won't matter.

Eric: Well right, yeah the damage is done. But, I mean the...JKR gives us so much insight into his thoughts at every particular moment in, throughout the course of seven years, and if he dies, none of it will matter. Like in a certain way, we can get our own enlightenment from it and we can...

Laura: I don't agree necessarily. Because when someone dies, they always leave some kind of imprint behind.

Eric: Yeah, it's...I mean we can derive things from Harry's story and we can become more mature through studying his emotions and things like that, but beyond that, I really don't want to, you know...

Laura: I don't want Harry to die either, but honestly I see Ron as a more likely death candidate than Harry.

Eric: Er, yeah. We've talked about this.

Kevin: See, I don't know about that, though, because I always thought that Harry was going to die because of JK Rowling setting up the characters around him dying.

Eric: Yeah.

Kevin: She's killed off so many of his close friends and his relatives...

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: ...that it almost seemed to me she was trying to portray this, "There's no going back now" kind of thing. So, I'm not trying to be you know, redundant, but again, the Lord of the Rings analogy.

Laura: Right.

Kevin: Where Frodo comes back to the Shire, but it's not saved for him.

Laura: Mhm.

Kevin: So, he would never be the same. I sort of had the feeling that Harry would never be the same after everything is over.

Laura: Right. The main reason that I think that Ron is going to bite the dust is that Chess analogy. It was completely, if you read, we talked about the one editorial where they compare the Chess Game in Book 1 to the Second War and, yeah, if you compared all, if you put certain people in different places as different pieces and then obviously you have Ron getting killed by the Queen.

Eric: But, all three of them did prosper in the end, I guess.

Laura: They did.

Eric: Well, at least Harry went on so, you know.

Andrew: I just think the reason why Ron would die is because he's so weak. Weak in a way...

Laura: Awww!

Andrew: I just seem him as weak.

Eric: Honestly, he is a flawed character in many ways.

Kevin: Now, what do you mean by weak. Do you mean...?

Andrew: I mean that he...I don't know how to explain it. He's just, not weak in character but weak in attitude. He's not a can-do guy like Harry. He's, he's just...if he was faced with a situation where it was life or death for him, he wouldn't survive.

Laura: I could see Ron... How would he? He's not good at spells. He's not good at anything.

Eric: "My wand, look at my wand!"

[Laura laughs]

Georgia: He's spent his life overshadowed by people, he's always had his older brothers.

Andrew: Right.

Georgia: And then he's always had Harry and he's never had a chance to show who he is and I don't know, maybe that's why he's seen as weak.

Laura: I think if Ron does go down its going to be like sacrificing himself.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Really for the good, I don't think it's going to be...

Eric: That's really the...yeah.

Georgia: I agree, actually.

Laura: It's not just Voldemort going Avada Kedavra and Ron dies, and that's what is going to happen.

Eric: I think that's in Ron's character, the only thing Ron can do, if he can't help with the battle. You know, if he's not a strong wizard, the best thing he can do is sacrifice himself. But, I don't want Ron to die. I like Ron.

Laura: I know, I like Ron too!

Eric: I like his flaws.

Kevin: I think it adds for a more dynamic character. And I don't see...I honestly don't see him dying. Like I don't see him...if he was faced with a life and death situation, I think he'd smarten up pretty quickly. I think that he maybe died in the crossfire kind of thing, but I don't see him dying because he's too weak.

Laura: Mhm. I think Ron is smarter than he and others give him credit for.

Kevin: So, well not to break this but...

Laura: Yeah, this is the GinnyCast!

Kevin: Ron is another topic for another day.

Andrew: And I think we've covered Ginny Weasley pretty well.

Kevin: I think we did. Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, she knows injustice. She knows what she's doing. She knows the meaning of hypocrisy and you know that's really all you need in the Harry Potter universe.

Kevin: But I do see so only one thing possibly happening as well, is that she's going to get herself in trouble to help Harry. That's the one thing that...

Eric: Like what do you mean? Like the Spiderman thing?

Kevin: Well, sort of like that but in the sense that...

Laura: I could see her doing something to try and help Harry.

Kevin: Something stupid, rash.

Laura: Yeah, and it would end up getting her in trouble and making things a little worse.

Eric: But I did mention a few, actually it was like three or four episodes ago, and I said in Book 6 where Harry says you know, "I can't be with you." She does basically say, once again "Screw that." And she says, "We're going to help." She said, "We're going to help you anyway," so I think whatever Ginny does, I think it's in her character to get herself in trouble for Harry, but at the same time he shouldn't be held responsible for that. I think she's fully aware of all her actions. And, I think that's what makes Ginny a great character and a responsible character.

Kevin: Yeah, definitely.

Laura: I agree.

Kevin: So, do you want to do the outro for Georgia before we...

Laura: Yes, I think we should.

Andrew: Why does she have to go?

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, she has to go because her dad's there.

Kevin: Should we outro her or should we just give her an exit.

Andrew: What do you mean outro or exit?

Kevin: Well, just...

Andrew: I'll do it. Georgia, you're still here, right? Okay. All right, well that pretty much wraps it up for this part of the show.

Eric: For Ginny.

Andrew: Right, but Georgia has to leave us right now because she must be on her way. Thanks for joining us, Georgia!

Georgia: Thank you, I had a really nice time chatting to everyone.

Laura: Thanks for coming, Georgia.

Kevin: Yeah, thank you, Georgia.

Andrew: Yeah, you were great, a great addition so we'll have you on another time, I'm sure.

Georgia: Excellent. Enjoy the rest of the show.

Kevin: Not next week's show because that's a LIVE podcast.

Georgia: I'm coming to the live one.

Andrew: Yeah, do you want to fly in?

Eric: Do you want to catch a ride?

Laura: Oh you're going to like bring Georgia but you don't...I see how it is?

Andrew: We're not going to bring a girl from Georgia up.

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: Thank you for joining us.

Laura: Thanks for joining us, Georgia.

Kevin: Bye, bye.

Georgia: Bye.

Laura: Bye.

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