MuggleCast 151 Transcript

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Jim Dale: [as Professor McGonagall] "This is Professor McGonagall welcoming you all to MuggleCast hoping you enjoyed - Dobby! Dobby, come here! Here! Dobby!" [as Dobby] "Yes, I'd just like to say how very pleased I am to introduce MuggleCast to all of you! Thank you! Thank you!"

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Andrew: Because Google has the answer everything, this is MuggleCast Episode 151 for June 30th, 2008.

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Andrew: Umm...thereís nothing to talk about. Iím Andrew Sims.

Laura: Iím Laura Thompson.

Micah: Iím Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: And Iím Matt Britton.

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Andrew: All right, welcome to another episode. Iím sorry about the intro, guys, thereís just nothing to talk about this week for an intro.

Laura: I know. Itís - nothingís going on.

Andrew: I worked nine to five today. Iím exhausted.

Laura: Yeah, me too.

Andrew: Micah, whatís in the news this week?

Micah: Thereís nothing to talk about.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Okay, let's move on to Muggle Mail. No, but in all seriousness thereís nothing to talk about.

Laura: Thereís two news items.

Micah: Actually there are two things to talk about. Iím going to add something into the mix, but - all right?

Andrew: Go for it.

News: Movie 6 Footage Shown in Amsterdam

Micah: But the biggest news of the week was that there was this cinema expo in Amsterdam and, apparently, Warner Brothers showed some brief footage of Half-Blood Prince as part of a past/future Harry Potter montage. And just wondering, what do you guys think about this? Why is it that, as Andrew put in bold caps locks, Amsterdam gets to see some of this but weíve been waiting and havenít seen anything for the past couple of months.

Andrew: This is what I donít understand. Okay the Cine-Expo, itís like a big movie expo where, you know, you see previews of upcoming films, and it looks like this is the first place that a Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince clip was played. But what I donít get is - and Iím not going to yell - but why is it that these people in Amsterdam go to the Cina-Expo and get to see the clip, but the fans still have not seen a single video or a teaser trailer or some good pictures. We've seen like a total of two officially released pictures now, but Amsterdam, oh, let's give them a big video but not the people that actually want to see the stuff.

Matt: Well, you don't know that. People in Amsterdam - I mean...

Andrew: No...

Matt: That probably consists of like half the entire Harry Potter fanbase.

Andrew: The Cine - the Cine-Ex - the people who attended the Cini-Expo - the Cine-Expo. It's just that it doesn't make sense. I mean - what they did point there - actually, you'll get to that, Micah. Nevermind.

Micah: What?

Matt: Well, because actually Potter has made what? How much, Micah?

Micah: They made 4.48 billion dollars worldwide. That's a lot of money.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, that was the one interesting thing that came out of them playing. Apparently, it was a montage of clips of like clips of like Harry growing up, and Dan Radcliffe did a little intro video to introduce it. I just don't understand, you know? It's a real - the fans should be upset.

[Micah laughs]

Laura: Well, here's what I have to say.

Andrew: What?

Laura: This plus all the waiting we've been doing - this better be one hell of a teaser trailer.

Andrew: Hear, hear!

Laura: Seriously.

Matt: Seriously.

Andrew: Here's to that.

Matt: Mhm. But I think its just upsetting that - I'm not really upset that they premiered like the first glimpse of all these little clips of Half-Blood Prince to that Cine-Expo, but I'm kind of upset why they didn't make it public after they showed it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: I mean it's one thing to like premiere it and then just like release to the Internet for people to see. Like - I mean - they did that with Order of the Phoenix, all that expo stuff, didn't they? I mean...

Andrew: Yeah, I'm sure - I'm sure they did. I'm sure.

Matt: ...they released a lot of stuff for Order of the Phoenix, but for Half-Blood Prince we haven't seen one thing yet.

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: Nothing available that's, you know, officially released by Warner Bros. that hasn't been leaked.

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: But nothing's even been leaked online yet.

Andrew: Well, not recently.

Matt: Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean except for the occasional one or two photos every six months.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: What's wrong with the photos? I mean I love the photos.

Andrew: Oh, I don't know, Micah, you tell us.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Micah: Moving on. I - I just don't understand what's going on here. The later and later we get, aren't we going to be due more for an actual trailer as opposed to just a teaser trailer?

Andrew: Yes. No, you're right. Well, I think all eyes are on Dark Knight now to see what happens with that. Will there be a trailer?

Matt: Didn't we all - I think all of us pretty much in the back of our minds knew it probably would have been Dark Knight, we just didn't want it to happen.

Andrew: No.

Matt: Because that was too late. For me that's a long wait.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: That's...

Matt: I mean, we still have another month.

Laura: Well, not quite.

Andrew: Like two weeks now.

Matt: Okay, two weeks. But two weeks ago it was one month.

[Laura and Matt laugh]

Andrew: Actually, three weeks. Three weeks, but yeah. I don't know. We'll have to wait and see. What else is going on, Micah?

News: Jason Isaacs Interview

Micah: Well, the only other news of any note was Jason Isaacs did an interview with, and for some reason I always like reading the interviews that he does, because he's really into the series. More so than, I think, a lot of the other actors and actresses. Is that fair to say?

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: Yeah, I think so, too.

Matt: He has the most fun with the role that he plays.

Micah: Yeah, he does, and it was just interesting reading what he had to say, and he said that he had seen J.K. Rowling at some charity dinner, or something along those lines, and he went over and asked about the seventh book, and she had told him that he was going to be in the opening chapter and that it made him pretty happy to hear that news, so...

Andrew: Free. You're out in the opening chapter. Out of Azkaban.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Which - yeah. That's funny. I like how it says that Jo, like, looked over her shoulder to make sure, like, the paparazzi wasn't like - who was she looking for... [laughs] ...when she looked over her shoulder? Or maybe she was just doing that to be funny.

Laura: Hmm. Maybe...

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: ...but I could see why she wouldn't want tons of people to hear it.

Matt: I think she was just probably just, you know, being a sport. Like [whispers] "Okay, I'm going to tell you this big secret. You're actually in the first chapter."

[Laura laughs]

Matt: [whispers] "But don't tell anybody."

Andrew: Not really a big secret though.

Matt: I know...

Andrew: I think the biggest...

Matt: ...but I think she was just, you know, just playing around.

News: 80% Off Deluxe Edition

Andrew: Actually, one other thing I wanted to talk about. Well not - it's just worth noting. 80% off the deluxe edition of Book 7 at Amazon right now.

Laura: Holy crap.

Andrew: One of our readers pointed this out to us. It's a $65 dollar book. It's on sale for $13.

Matt: Really?

Andrew: Must be trying to clear out inventory, right? What else could it be?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Why else would they do that?

Laura: Holy crap.

Andrew: It also says something. It's not selling very well. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah. Wow.

Andrew: Well, maybe that - I haven't looked at the comments yet, but I assume people are saying, "This is another sign that this is the end!"

Matt: "The books, they all are dying."

Andrew: "The books are at a bargin price. Fandom's over." Actually, no. Looks like most people were excited. That's good.

Matt: I would actually buy it for $13 though.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, I'd be more...

Andrew: Especially if like...

Laura: ...likely to buy it. Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: I mean, I do like the cover and it's got a little nice cardboard box - little frame.

Andrew: Yeah. And it's got a nice - it's got a nice large album - chapter art.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: In the beginning of the end.

Matt: Is the colored or is it just regular black and white?

Andrew: It's regular. But it's still bigger. You can see more. It's cool.

Micah: Well, what you mentioned, though, Andrew, clearing out inventory. Isn't the paperback coming out soon?

Andrew: Yes. Sometime in July, right?

Laura: Yeah, that would make good sense. I mean they usually come out about a year after, so...

Andrew: Right. Well, that does it for news, right? Nothing else really to discuss...

Matt: Yeah. It was a slow news week.

Andrew: Yep.

Matt: Yep.

Announcement: Podcast Alley

Andrew: Better luck next week. In the announcements now, don't forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley. I'm sure we're number one right now. We thank everyone who's been voting for us. Also, we have an update about Portus...

Micah: New month. There's a new month, Andrew.

Andrew: Oh, that's right. It's going to be a new month very soon, so be sure to vote for us because it's going to be Mugglecast Muly.

Matt: Muly [laughs]

Andrew: And get ready for MuggleCast Maugust. We need everyone to vote. Remember, every month that starts with an "m" you must vote for us. Starting with MuggleCast March, MuggleCast Mapril, May, Mune, Muly, Maugust, Moctober...

Matt: Meptember.

Laura: Did you miss - yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

[Matt and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Oh, sorry.

Matt: Yeah, you missed the most important month of the year.

Announcement: Portus Update

Andrew: Apparently I don't know how the calender works. Anyway. Yeah, so update on Portus. Laura, what is the exciting news people will be very excited to hear?

Laura: [laughs] Well...

Andrew: What?

Laura: ...the exciting news...

Andrew: What's so funny?

Laura: ..."that people will be excited to hear." I just found it funny.

Andrew: Sorry. I stumbled over - okay, fine.

Laura: I'm just...

Andrew: Transcripters, edit that out please. Make it...

Laura: Andrew...

Andrew: ...sound like I just spoke fluently.

Laura: Andrew, you know I just love giving you a hard time...

Matt: You don't need to tell the transcribers. They know what they're doing.

Andrew: I know.

Matt: They're, like, smart.

Laura: Anyhow, what we've been talking about for the past, I don't know, a month or so? You think, Andrew?

Andrew: About that.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, a couple months.

Laura: The idea of doing a MuggleCast meet-up at Portus. And we've finally got that scheduled. It's going to be on Saturday from 3-5 PM in the Common Room. So show up there and we'll be there.

Andrew: Yes.

Matt: We're going to have some chips and dip and maybe...

Laura: Maybe some games and stuff. We're hoping for that.

Matt: Ooh.

Andrew: Yeah. We're going to have to sit down at Portus or maybe beforehand and figure out what exactly - some activities we could do. I mean I'm sure people just want to socialize more then anything.

Matt: I don't know. We could play, like, spin the bottle.

Andrew: Ooh, that'd be fun. Yeah, sure. 3-5 in the Common Room. That'd be a lot of fun. Full of MuggleCast fans hanging out with us a little longer than just, you know, the quick hello at the podcast afterwards.

Matt: Oh! Micah, we could play pin the tail on the goat.

Andrew: Oh yeah, someone suggested that.

Matt: It's a good idea.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Micah, could you organize that? Could you be the chair of goat games?

Matt: Can you find us a goat?

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I'm sure he can.

Matt: Micah, are you even there?

Micah: I'm here. Yeah, I'm here. I'm just...

Laura: He's finding a goat right now.

Micah: There are a lot of comments...

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: ...that I could of had right there, and I chose not to...

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: ...issue any of them.

Andrew: Thank you for taking the high road.

Micah: Because we would've had to edit out some MuggleCast, and I know Andrew doesn't want to have to edit out any more then he has to.

Andrew: No.

[Matt makes a goat noise]

MuggleCast Fun FAQ

Andrew: Especially since this show is late. So thank you. MuggleCast Fun FAQ, I want to call this next segment. I got this e-mail from Janna, thirteen - er thirteen? I just completely made that up! I don't know...

Micah: [laughs] There's no age there at all.

Andrew: There's no age there, and I said "thirteen." From Virginia, she writes:

"Hey, I was just wondering how you get the episodes off the site. I really want to listen to some of the older ones. Also, will the podcast you do at Portus be released on the feed?"

Yes, the podcast will be released on the feed. Of course! And the question - the first question, "How do you get the episodes off the site - How do you get older episodes?"

Matt: You go on the website and go to "Episodes" page and then download whatever episodes you want.

Andrew: Right. We get this question a lot, so - so everyone knows, you go to, "episodes" page - every single episode that we've produced is there on the website for free download. You can't put it in your little "Podcast" thing, like these are, if you are subscribed in iTunes, but you can get them on your iPod or any other mp3 or CD player. So...

Matt: I think it's high time we have a "Frequently Asked Questions" page on

Laura: Yeah, I think so too.

Andrew: We do! We do.

Matt: Well, then we should post that.

Andrew: Maybe if you guys checked the site and/or read the controls...

Laura: Oh there actually is. [laughs]

Matt: Maybe if you made it more - oh.

Andrew: See, I'm going to go to the "About" page, and if you scroll down you see "More FAQS."

Matt: Yeah, but you have to go to "About." It should be one of the tabs you click on.

Andrew: Look at this, at the very bottom.

Micah: Well, Matt, clearly they can't click on the "Episodes" tab. What makes you think they're going to click on the "FAQ" tab?

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Matt: Oh, yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. There you go.

Matt: Well, sorry, guys, I tried to help you out, but...

One Last Plug for TwilightSource

Andrew: is your source for everything MuggleCast. So there you go. Just remember that. Lastly, just one last plug, and then we're done. We've talked about, but this week Laura, Matt, Elysa and I have all started a brand new podcast for It's called Imprint. We just released the first episode a few days ago. It's going to be released every other week. It's going very well. It's in the top ten podcasts in iTunes right now. That's very exciting, isn't it?

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah, it's pretty exciting.

Laura: I couldn't believe it when I heard. [laughs] I was just "Wow."

Andrew: Yeah. It's crazy to think, you know, you've produced two podcasts that...

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: ...are in the top ten. [unintelligible] So thank you to everyone who has listened, and if you were interested in listening to a Twilight podcast - Imprint - just search for it on iTunes, hit "Subscribe." You can also go to

Matt: And we can't stress it enough that this is just an extra thing that we're doing on our own time. It's not going to interfere with MuggleCast in the least. So...

Andrew: We say that as this episode came out on Monday, and Imprint came out on like Thursday or Friday. [laughs]

Matt: [laughs] Well, we recorded it like on Sunday and Monday, though, so....

Andrew: Right.

Matt: And yeah - so.

Micah: Well, in all fairness it's more because of our schedules than anything else.

Andrew, Laura, and Matt: Yeah!

Matt: Yes.

Laura: It really is.

Andrew: Now, Micah has this schedule that is impossible to work around, and we've just got to deal with it.

Matt: It's Micah's fault this was late.

Andrew: Yup. Not really. Who's fault is it this week?

Laura: It's mine. [laughs]

Andrew: It is yours, yes. But...

Micah: Laura.

Laura: It's okay.

Andrew:'s okay. We all have things that get in the way; it happens. Let's move on to Muggle Mail this week. Matt, you want to take the first one?

Muggle Mail: Snape's Memories

Matt: Yes I do, actually. Okay! Our first Muggle Mail comes from Fanny, 18, of Canada! Fanny writes:

"Hi, MuggleCasters! I was just listening to Episode 150 where some of you say you cried while reading chapter 34. It made me think of the previous episode, which I find quite disappointing, to be perfectly honest. You guys were reviewing "The Prince's Tale" and completely skimmed over most of the memories and Snape's actual death. I cried when Snape died because of the emphasis throughout the books placed on Harry's eyes finally makes sense. Snape wanted the last things he ever saw to be the eyes of the woman he loved. So, furthermore, 'Entertainment Weekly' got it wrong. Snape's death should have made the list."

Laura: Didn't we talk about this, though?

Matt: Yeah, we did talk about Snape...

Laura: We did talk about the eyes.

Matt: ...but we actually got a lot of e-mails about people disappointed that we didn't go over every single detail of Snape's memories in "The Prince's Tale."

Andrew: Yeah, that's what I wanted to talk about. The thing was, again, we talk about things that we feel like can actually be discussed. If we can't discuss it then forget it, we're not going to talk about it. It's boring to just summarize.

Matt: Yeah, and also there were a lot of things to talk about in "The Prince's Tale," and if we did actually talk about - even if there was stuff to talk about for each little thing that happened, that episode would have been at least two hours long.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: And I will just delicately point out that when we first did Chapter-by-Chapter, a majority of the complaints concerned the fact that we were summarizing the chapters. So...

Andrew: Right.

Laura: ...we either summarize or we pick things that foster discussion. One or the other.

Matt: Did we even talk about Harry's eyes to Lily's eyes? The reason why said, "Look at me"?

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: We did say something - yeah. Okay. All right, so - sorry, guys, that we didn't say everything in that chapter, and... [sighs] time we'll say more.

[Laura and Matt laugh]

Matt: I did not know how to finish it.

Muggle Mail: Wizard Drinking Age

Laura: Okay. Our next one comes from Alexandra, 19, of Burbank, CA. She writes:

"While sulking in my room about the legal drinking age, I was wondering if wizards and witches have a legal drinking age. Would butterbeer be considered alcohol? What do you guys think?"

From what I remember, butterbeer is not alcohol, or it's not alcoholic. Like, wasn't it in - gosh - Order of the Phoenix where Winky had been drinking it, and Dobby told Harry that the effects of butterbeer are stronger on House-elves than they are on humans? Or something.

Andrew: So wouldn't that mean that it is?

Laura: Well...

Micah: I think you'd have to take a lot of it to get messed up.

Laura: Yeah, it would be - okay, it would be like drinking - oh gosh. Maybe I shouldn't say this. Like...

Micah: Like who?

Laura: Like a fruit cooler, you know? Like...

Matt: Oh, like a wine cooler.

Laura: Yeah. Like, those you have - you give that to someone who is, like, tiny, but if you give it to an adult...

Matt: Right.

Laura: I should shut up now.

Micah: Laura, do you get midgets drunk?

Laura: [laughs] What? Micah!

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: The main question I wanted to ask here was, what is the legal drinking in the Wizarding World?

Laura: I don't think there is one because there's not - okay, at least - I think it would vary by country, just like it does in the...

Andrew: Yeah, maybe.

Laura: It's like, for instance - okay, everyone knows that the drinking age is severely relaxed in Europe, so I really doubt...

Andrew: Yes, it's 16.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: 18. Sorry.

Laura: Yeah, but they don't even really enforce that.

Matt: Yeah, people aren't uptight in the U.K. as the U.S. is.

Andrew: Right. Yeah, I just thought it was kind of interesting.

Matt: There are, I mean - do they even have that many strong alcoholic drinks in the Wizarding World that's mentioned? Except firewhiskey?

Laura: Oh, they have Sherry, and Brandy, and....

Matt: Oh yeah, sherry bottle. Trelawney.

Micah: Yeah, it says butterbeer has a very small amount of alcohol in it.

Matt: Well, 17 is the Wizarding legal age, as considered as an adult, so maybe at 17 they just don't care anymore?

Laura: Well, if butterbeer has a small amount of alcohol in it they've all been drinking it since they were 13.

Andrew: True.

Matt: Yeah, so...

Micah: Doesn't Harry take a shot of firewhiskey after...

Laura: Yeah, I think they do.

Micah: ...Moody dies?

Matt: And we never read any side effects, so he must be...

Laura: He didn't get wasted, basically.

Matt: Yeah. He didn't get wasted.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: All right, and the final e-mail for today.

Muggle Mail: Bitterness Towards Entertainment Weekly

Micah: Oh. [laughs] The final e-mail comes from Scott, 19, of Pittsburgh. He says:

"I feel obligated, due to the fact that I have been an avid 'Entertainment Weekly' reader for years upon years now, that I must defend it. On Episode 150 you all seemed really harsh on 'Entertainment Weekly''s choice. Maybe you were a tad bitter from the fact that we still don't have a teaser yet. But who knows? Anyway, those chose 'Goblet'" - hold on - "Anyway, those chose 'Goblet of Fire' because it was the first book to really become a book, and the other three before were kind of children-y type novels, and why not like Book 6? Because Book 4 was more influential. Book 4 was the book that brought in the new era of Jo's books, the ones where adults are just as interested. Also, I too was expecting them to use the whole series, but the list was for 'Best Book,' as in single book, though still I'd like them to have lumped it together as they did with 'His Dark Materials.' Hopefully I've made you reconsider the WTF-ness of Episode 150."

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I still don't think they gave that much thought to it, but okay.

Matt: I...

Andrew: Think what you want.

Matt: I think maybe Goblet of Fire probably had the most - no, no, nevermind.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: No, I don't think so.

Andrew: I agree with what he said, that it started a new era of Jo's books, but I don't think Entertainment Weekly considered that.

Matt: I don't think it was like the first adult book. I mean I think the series in chronological order has a great transition.

Micah: Yeah.

Matt: It transitions really well from, you know, a child's book from the very first one to, you know, the more adult-oriented last three of the books. I think, you know, as you read from first to last you get slowly acclimated to more adult themes.

Micah: Right.

Matt: So I don't think it was like a huge leap or anything that was like saying, "This is the first - this is a new era of the Harry Potter books," because, you know, Book 3 was kind of dark too.

Micah: I think I even mentioned last episode that, you know, Book 4 was kind of the first book where Harry experiences death right in front of him. You know, we really don't get an idea of - or what his memory is of what happened to his parents. You know, that was really the turning point, and I kind of agree with what Scott's saying. The first three books were a little bit more childish in the way that they came across, and now you get to Goblet of Fire and all of a sudden it's turning a little bit darker.

Andrew: Okay. Well, yeah, and like I said, I agree with what you have to say. I just don't think Entertainment Weekly considered that, you know?

Matt: Well, thinking about Goblet of Fire kind of starts the whole war though. I mean the whole - after Goblet of Fire the entire book series is based on one thing and it's He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named has returned and the war has begun.

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: Right.

Matt: So, I mean, you can probably think of it as the beginning of, you know, the new war for the Wizarding World. But as a classic? I don't know. I don't think there really is a specific book that can be a classic except for the first book since the original one, but I'm just saying what I said last week, so...

Andrew: All right, well, with that, unless someone had anything else to say?

Laura: Nope.

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