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Jim Dale: [as Professor McGonagall] "This is Professor McGonagall welcoming you all to MuggleCast hoping you all enjoyed - Dobby! Dobby, come here! Here! Dobby!" [as Dobby] "Yes, I'd just like to say how very pleased I am to introduce MuggleCast to all of you! Thank you! Thank you!"
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Micah: Because, by the way, we're just days away from Portus, in Dallas, Texas, this is MuggleCast, Episode 152 for July 8th, 2008.
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Andrew: Well, Micah after, you know, waiting so long we've finally got a nice awesome batch of Half-Blood Prince pictures. Isn't that awesome? Did you check these out?
Micah: I actually did. I did check them out.
Micah: You would be impressed because normally I just complain about these photos and say, "Hey, you know, let's just - let's get with the teaser trailer already"...
Micah: And you know what was surprising, was I walking out of work, I think it was - when was this article released? Was it on Thursday?
Andrew: Well, the pictures came out - yeah, July 2, so we'll call that...
Micah: A Thur - no, Wednesday.
Micah: So I was walking out of work and one of the guys that I used to work for turns to me and says, "Hey, did you see the article on the new movie in Half-Blood Prince?"
Micah: And I said, "No" - in USA Today rather. And I said,"No, I have no idea what you're talking about." And he's like, "Oh, well, you're some fan." And...
Andrew, Matt and Laura: Oooo.
Andrew: You should have been like, "Well, I happen to be the news anchor on the most popular Harry Potter podcast online."
Micah: But no, he knows this, and, you know, he's one of the people that likes to give me a hard time about it, but apparently he's an even bigger die-hard fan than I am, having - having seen USA Today, but a lot of cool pictures actually, we'll say.
Micah: Not just a bunch of, you know, ones that we've been getting before that you can just toss in the trash. These are actually pretty good ones.
Andrew: Right. Yeah, they're good, they're not like cut in half, or just black and white, or just mysteriously come out of nowhere. They exist so...
Andrew: We'll be talking about those today and, you know, we'll wonder now, where does this leave us in terms of the teaser trailer? We got some hot tips on that this week and we'll discuss that.
Micah: They're all false.
Andrew: And - they're all false? Oh, okay. I disagree with that, so that'll be a lively debate, and we've got Chapter-by-Chapter, our final chapter discussion this week for Deathly Hallows. It's kind of sad.
Andrew: I'm Andrew Sims.
Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.
Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
Matt: And I'm Matt Britton.
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Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum, what's in the news this week?
Micah: Well, you talked about it a little bit before, the new Half-Blood-Prince photos, and finally we get, in my opinion, a really good glimpse into what's been going on as to opposed to these, you know, kind of half ass photos that have been coming out these last couple of weeks.
Andrew: Yeah, it's about time. These are cool pictures. What was your favorite one? You said you were pretty happy with them.
Micah: I was. I was pretty happy with them. To me, actually, the one of Luna looked a little bit fake. It looked it was photoshopped with those glasses that she has on.
Laura: Yeah, it did.
Andrew: But they were awesome, though. I love the pictures.
Andrew: It was really cool. What else though?
Micah: I like the one of Professor Slughorn, where they're all in the Potions classroom.
Micah: Hermione seems to be giving him a little bit of a dirty look there, to be honest with you.
Andrew: No surprise, though. I mean, you know, Hermione's outsmarting Slughorn once again.
Micah: Yeah. But there really wasn't - I don't really think there was a bad one in the bunch.
Andrew: What do you think of Lavender Brown? She was in that picture with Slughorn. I remember you said she was hoping she was pretty cute. Are you happy with the outcome?
Micah: Ah, yeah, yeah. Now is she the one standing next to Neville or is she the one behind Hermione?
Matt: Yeah, she's got that headband kind of thing going.
Micah: Yeah, yeah.
Laura: I think she looks really good.
Andrew: Yeah, she's cute.
Andrew: She's cute. So there's those pictures. Laura, Matt any pictures stand out to you guys?
Laura and Matt: Hmm...
Laura: I don't know, I'm just kind of with Micah here. I'm kind of glad to see that they have actually been filming a movie. Because for the past couple of weeks...
Laura: ...I've been doubtful.
Matt: We have evidence of a film being made.
Laura: [laughs] So, I'm just really, frankly...
Andrew: Yeah, special effects with the goggles.
Laura: Yeah. [laughs]
Andrew: Yeah, I love the picture of Dumbledore. I think that's a really nice photo.
Matt: Yeah, you said that to me about the...
Laura: Yeah. His beard looks straighter, or more straight rather.
Matt: It looks longer.
Andrew: Yeah, it is longer. Well, he's aging.
Micah: Well, it compensates for the rest of him, Laura.
Laura and Matt: Oooh!
Andrew: You know what's interesting? You can't see his black hand.
Matt: I was just about to say that. It's like, it's not in the photo.
Laura: It's like they didn't want to pay for the CGI.
Micah: Now what's with the - what's with the shot of Harry and Hermione? If it wasn't snowing out, which what looks like what's going on, I would say it was probably after Dumbledore had died, but...
Matt: Well, see, this is my favorite photo actually, 'cause I have this on my desktop. I just - I don't really know what scene it depicts, and I don't even know if it's going to be a shot in the film. It may even been cut. I just - I just - I always liked the Harry-Hermione shots, when it's just the two of them.
Andrew: And this photo is just so high-res...
Laura: Yeah, it's huge.
Andrew: ...I could almost look in reflection in their eyes and see what they're looking at.
Matt: I could see the stubble from Dan Radcliffe, and I could see all the freckles on Hermione's face - on Emma Watson.
Andrew: Yeah, really nice - very nice picture.
Andrew: Yeah, I guess - what else could they be looking at besides Dumbledore's grave? But I mean, doesn't school end in the summer months?
Matt: Well, you know, maybe they're just standing by Dumbledore's grave after the funeral.
Matt: Or something.
Laura: But it's winter in this picture; it's snowing.
Matt: Oh, that's right.
Matt: Huh. I don't know. Maybe - I don't know. It's Harry and Hermione, so you may have to...
Laura: I don't know.
Matt: Harry and Hermione can have just a little bit of a feud from the Potions class, so maybe they're like talking about it or something.
Laura: Well, I mean, I find that oftentimes what they tend to do in these movies is have them more intense conversations happen between Harry and Hermione, while Ron is off doing something else, particularly since Ron is going to be so occupied with Lavender in this film.
Matt: And Quidditch.
Laura: Yeah, exactly. So I wouldn't - I wouldn't be surprised if they were trying to foster some of the more serious plot points to be brought to the screen through conversations between Harry and Hermione. And it just so happens that they always both look concerned when they're talking to each other.
Matt: See, this kind of reminds me of the Harry-Hermione dialogue in Goblet of Fire, when she - when they talk about the egg.
Matt: It just, you know, it's a really close up shot.
Matt: And you can almost sense that Hermione is going to say [imitating Emma Watson] "I'm scared for you."
Micah: But doesn't Ron get hurt at one point during this film? Or is that - I don't remember when exactly.
Matt: Well, he gets - he takes that love potion. That love spell.
Andrew: Yeah, which is that picture.
Matt: Of him, like, "Got this heart in my hand."
Andrew: Yeah. He does look pretty good though.
Matt: I do like the reaction face he's got going on.
Matt: It's definitely not a face we've seen from him...
Matt: ...so it definitely looks not Ron-ish, if that makes any sense. [laughs]
Andrew: And Tom Felton looking pretty nice there. The boy-ish hair cut, putting all of his hair off to the side there. That's nice. And then there's this behind the scenes picture of David Yates, Dan Radcliffe, and Bonnie Wright. And David Yates is educating the actors on how to, you know, do a scene there. You can see Hedwig in the background, which is pretty cool. There's also that - if you look back behind David Yates, there's the picture of the Burrow. A little, like, sketch of it.
Laura: Oh yeah.
Andrew: It's kind of cool. Yeah.
Matt: I kind of want to go back to the Draco shot. Where do you think Draco is?
Matt: I mean, at first I thought it was Dumbledore's office in the climatic scene, but this...
Matt: ...is during the day. And that climactic scene happened at night, didn't it? It may be in...
Laura: Well, it looks like, if you look at the lower left-hand corner, it looks like there's bottles. So it could be in Snape's office, or even in the Potions classroom.
Matt: Or even in the cabinet.
Andrew and Laura: Mhm.
Matt: Because of all the nicknacks and things in the back.
Andrew: Yeah. Possibly.
Matt: You never know. You don't see much of Draco, that's why. I mean, there's only so many scenes this can be in, because you don't see much of Draco. He's just elusive.
Andrew: Yeah. There were some other pictures also that we didn't get in high-res, but they did show up online. There was one - there was a nice one of McGonagall approaching Harry in Dumbledore's office, it looked like.
Matt: Yeah. I really liked that one too. It just wasn't a high-res pic that we were talking about.
Andrew: Oh, apparently I screwed up the news post on MuggleNet. That link doesn't work. It doesn't go to that picture.
Micah: Oh yeah. I meant to tell you that.
Andrew: I have the links backwards. [laughs] Whoops. But...
Andrew: ...yeah. So do you think that's after Dumbledore already died?
Matt: I think so.
Laura: Yeah, probably.
Matt: It makes sense.
Matt: Because if you look at it, I mean, Harry's holding Dumbledore's wand. And Professor McGonagall is in the Head of House - I mean - the Head of Hogwarts. It's her office now.
Andrew: Yeah, but she could still be in there.
Matt: But she's wearing all black. I mean, it's - it has to be after the funeral.
Laura: Yeah. It has to be. Just - you look at the look on Harry's face, and the fact that he's holding Dumbledore's wand. I mean, why would they both be in Dumbledore's office without Dumbledore?
Andrew: Right. Right.
Matt: Well, look at McGonagall now. I mean, Maggie Smith - she's looking different. She's looking a lot more care-worn in this.
Andrew: Well, I think she's supposed to be looking sad in this scene. I mean...
Matt: Or probably stressed...
Matt: ...and everything. I mean, she just came back from battle, too.
Andrew: Yeah. I can't wait to see the picture of Dumbledore's...
Andrew: No, no, sorry. Dumbledore's portrait in his office. I can't wait to see that.
Laura: Yeah. That'll be cool.
Matt: I want to see the coffin.
Andrew: It should be Richard Harris. A picture of Richard Harris. Not - wouldn't that be awesome if they did Richard Harris? It'd be kind of confusing though, wouldn't it?
Laura: Yeah, it would be kind of confusing.
Matt: Yeah, it would be.
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Andrew: Well, maybe when they start their term at Hogwarts they take the picture then. Nah, they don't do that.
Matt: No, that still wouldn't make sense.
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. Okay, well, in other news - anything else to be said about the pictures, guys? Or is that it?
Matt: No, I think - I mean, this is very new pictures too.
Laura: Just thank you, Warner Bros., for showing that we are getting a movie.
Matt: Yes. Thank you.
Andrew: Yeah, well, like there was this big surge, and, you know, I was hoping one of the articles that came out may announce when the teaser trailer's coming, but none did.
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Andrew: In other news, we've heard that Half-Blood Prince is going to be opening with a big attack. And David Yates says this in an interview with Empire Magazine, I believe it is. Now everyone may remember that back a few months ago, we reported that they were filming at Millennium Bridge. And David Yates said, "we'll bring a major London landmark crashing down." Well, back in March, they were filming a bridge collapsing scene at Millennium Bridge in London. So that's probably what they were doing. I mean, this - we got a lot of information about this scene. There were 60 crew members there, 120 extras, you know, they were walking on the bridge when it collapsed and all that. So I guess that will be a cool way to open the movie...
Andrew: ...even though it doesn't go with the book.
Laura: Well, it kind of does. I mean, doesn't it sort of go along with everything that was going on prior to the beginning of the book, like with the whole "Other Minister" thing?
Andrew: Mhm. Yes.
Matt: Yeah. I mean, I can see, like, it opens with this unknown couple in their car, or something, and they're just talking, and they're just driving through this traffic-filled bridge, and then all of a sudden the bridge collapses and stuff.
Andrew: Okay. Well, and then in other news, there were some trailer rumors this week. Some more trailer rumors. Earlier in the week I had gotten a couple e-mails from people saying, "oh, yeah, it's going to be with The Dark Knight." Someone who works at an IMAX theater heard that they were going to be receiving their print delivery for Dark Knight, and then she said in the e-mail, giving us the date of arrival, they added that we could expect our Half-Blood Prince trailer for that print to arrive two days after. So, I mean, it's believable. And then a couple days later, we start getting these e-mails from two other people saying it's going to be with The Mummy! And apparently one of the girls talked to a marketing representative at Warner Bros., and they said it's coming with The Mummy. Apparently Universal knows that The Mummy's going to suck, so they want to - they were pushing for Warner Bros. to give them the Half-Blood Prince trailer, so that, you know, they could get more ticket sales.
Matt: I hope not.
Laura: I don't know, The Mummy...
Matt: 'Cause we have to wait for August now.
Andrew: Yeah. What were you going to say, Laura?
Laura: I was going to say The Mummy does look like it's going to suck, so I certainly don't blame them for wanting that. But...
Andrew: Plus, waiting until...
Laura: At the same time, I agree with Matt. It's like, how long can they expect us to wait?
Matt: Well, it's also - you get the teaser trailer, then you wait a month and get the theatrical trailer, and then a month afterward you pretty much have the movie.
Matt: That's a lot of promos. I mean, they don't really shoot their promos and TV spots until after the trailer. So, I mean, are they going to have, like, all this promos and TV spots and mini-trailers and all this extra stuff in, like, a 2-3 month's time?
Andrew: Maybe they're doing a new experiment to see how marketing goes differently. If it affects ticket sales or something. I don't know.
Matt: Yeah, but it's got to have a nice, you know, fluidness with the advertising to - I really hope it's not The Mummy.
Micah: I'm just - I'm just getting sick and tired of all this stuff, to be honest with you. I mean, how many weeks now have we...
Andrew: I thought you were just excited about the pictures? What happened?
Micah: Well, I mean the pictures are all great...
Andrew: You're a flip-flopper!
Micah: No! You can like the pictures, but you still want the damn teaser trailer! I mean, how many times are we going to play this game here? "Oh, it's coming out with Kung Fu Panda," then it's coming out with...
Andrew: I know, I know...
Micah: I don't know, Happy Feet. That came out a year ago.
Andrew: [laughs] Happy Feet?
Matt: Happy Feet? [laughs]
Micah: Now it's Dark Knight.
Laura: You know, we've thought...
Andrew: No, I see your point.
Laura: How many movies have we thought? It was first Speed Racer, Kung Fu Panda...
Andrew: Prince Caspian...
Laura: Get Smart. Seriously, come on.
Micah: Yeah, I mean, Andrew, how many movies have you deleted from the poll on the homepage?
Matt: Guys, guys, this actually marks - this marks the two month anniversary of us waiting for the trailer. 'Cause this was the week of May first.
Matt: Er - the first week of May.
Andrew: That was when we thought it was Caspian?
Matt: When we thought it was Speed Racer.
Andrew: Oh, Speed Racer. Okay. Maybe we should just stop posting. I mean, somebody e-mailed me that. They were like, "you know what? It's not Warner Bros.'s fault, it's your fault. You guys are the ones posting these rumors that aren't even true." Like, good point, sir. But I like causing the hype.
Micah: Don't we do that in general. But we do post rumors, don't we?
Andrew: Yeah, but - I mean, yeah, yeah.
Micah: We're kind of in that business.
Andrew: Anyway. Yeah. [laughs] Yes, we are. Fans like to hear it too. I like to report it. I think it's fun. I think it's fun to mess with people. Give them lies.
Laura: Give them hope.
Andrew: Give them hope. Well, I always, like, posted them in the hopes that it actually does come true because then it's like, "Yeah, we told you." So eventually we'll get it right.
[Andrew and Matt laugh]
Matt: If we announce it, that it's going to be in front of every single movie, we're bound to get it right.
Andrew: Portus is next week.
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Laura: Whoo! I'm so excited!
Andrew: Who's excited? I'm excited!
Matt: I am so excited!
Andrew: Raise your hand if you're excited!
Andrew: Raising my hand. Excited!
Andrew: We will be in Dallas from Wednesday the 9th to Sunday the 13th. And Portus is from July 10th to the 13th. It's going to be...
Micah: I will be there on the 10th.
Andrew: ...an awesome time. You can still register - Micah will be there on the 10th. Portus2008.org, if you want to register. Also, we're going to have a little MuggleCast meet-up on Saturday.
Andrew: All attendees please keep this in mind: MuggleCast meet-up, Saturday from 3 to 5 PM in the Common Room. If you forget, I'm sure you will see one of us walking around, just be like, "Hey, what's up with the MuggleCast meet-up?" And we'll be like, "3 to 5 PM on Saturday."
Micah: Or we'll just run in the other direction.
Andrew: I will run in the other direction. I'll be like, "No pictures! I haven't done my make-up!"
[Laura and Matt laugh]
Andrew: So, the MuggleCast meet-up will be 3 to 5 PM Saturday. The podcast will be at midnight on Friday. So technically Saturday morning, but it's Friday night.
Andrew: And then at the very beginning of the Podcast Palooza there is going to be a podcasting panel. One podcaster from each of the podcasts is going to be on this panel talking about podcast. During the whole Podcast Palooza we will be selling MuggleCast t-shirts. They're being printed as we speak! And we should be getting them Tuesday.
Micah: Who's printing them?
Matt: They're really cool. Have we ever talked about what they looked like?
Andrew: No, because we just got the design a couple of days ago. Micah, I'll send it to you now.
Matt: Oh, should it be a surprise?
Andrew: Yeah, it will be a surprise.
Matt: Or should we tell them now.
Andrew: No we can't, we can't.
Matt: Can we just say the color?
Andrew: There are a variety of colors. It's going to be printed on a maroon t-shirt to m-m-m...
Andrew: [laughs] Match the Portus colors. It's going to be cool. I'm excited. So the shirts will be on sale at the Podcast Palooza, and we'll give a couple away at the meet-up. And we'll also have MuggleNet stickers at the meet-up. So, fun time.
Andrew: If you would like a day pass, if you just want to come Friday or Saturday, and if you're in the Dallas area and just want to come to see the MuggleCast meet-up, you can buy a day pass for Friday or Saturday. If you buy a day pass for Saturday you can also go to the Ball and all the Jim Dale stuff they have to offer.
Matt: And it's not too late. If you really want to come to Portus you still have time.
Andrew: Portus2008.org for all of the details.
Matt: Mhm. They've updated their forums too, to answer a lot of your questions, if you have any, you know, problems getting a room or just rooming with somebody.
Andrew: Yeah. If you have a question go to Portus2008.org. You can go to the message boards, like Matt said, and they will get back to you really quick on there.
Matt: Mhm. They're a really great group. I mean, they're really on top of it.
Andrew: Yeah they are, definitely. All right, well, that's that. And final announcement for today, Podcast Alley. Don't forget to vote for us, because it is a new month. Happy Fourth of July everyone, by the way. Micah, what did you do for Fourth of July?
Micah: What did I do for Fourth of July?
Matt: Did you see the fireworks?
Micah: Did I see the fireworks? No, I actually - I just, I hung out. I watched a little bit of baseball, took the day off. No work; it was great not having to go to work.
Andrew: Cool. Cool.
Micah: Just chilling out. Not very exciting, but...
Matt: Was it busy outside?
Micah: Was it busy outside? Well, you know, I live three blocks from the beach. There were a lot of people that set off fireworks, thinking, you know, that they're experts. But they really - they aren't, but, you know, you could see a couple here and there. And then I watched the Macy's and the Boston Pops on TV. So.
Andrew: There you go. Sounds like a good time. But anyway, we are number five on Podcast Alley right now, so...
Matt: Just number five?
Andrew: Just number five. So, feel free to vote for us at PodcastAlley.com. Just one vote a month keeps us on the top 10 list.
Andrew: Let's move on to Muggle Mail this week.
Matt: Our first Muggle Mail comes from Chris, 22 of Westchester, NY. Chris writes:
"Hey guys, I've been listening to MuggleCast since it first debuted and I love you guys. I just wanted to point out a connection you may have missed from Episode 151. In 'Prisoner of Azkaban' on page 427 after Harry thinks he sees his father conjure up a patronus when it really - it was his future self, Dumbledore tells Harry, 'You think that we don't recall them more clearly than ever in times of great trouble?' It seems Jo was trying to tell us that people who died live on within us and they speak to us in different times. This connects perfectly with the 'is this happening in my head?' quote. Looking at both these quotes, I think Jo was trying to tell us that Dumbledore, at Kings Cross is a manifestation of the real Dumbledore living within Harry. So, it's happening within Harry's head, but it's still real because Dumbledore lives on in Harry. This is actually quite brilliant from an author's perspective, too. This means that Jo's readers don't necessarily have have to believe in an afterlife left to realize that Dumbledore truly was with Harry at that moment, and I thought [unintelligible]. I just thought you guys might appreciate this. Sincerely, Chris."
Laura: That's perfect. I actually really liked...
Laura: That's great.
Andrew: Yep. Yeah. We actually got a few e-mails like that. People pointed that out, which was really cool that people can actually remember that and it works perfectly. So, makes perfect sense.
Matt: Talking about an afterlife in the Harry Potter series is always a great subject to discuss, too.
Laura: Yeah. Definitely.
Matt: Like, with the Veil, and with - just basically an afterlife in the Wizarding World if there is one.
Andrew: Right. How about the next e-mail? Laura, or Micah?
Laura: Yeah, I'll do it. All right, the next one comes from Allison, age 18, of Chicago, Illinois.
"Firstly, I would like to say that I adore the show and that, thanks to you guys, it is total OMGness that you started a podcast for 'Twilight.' Anyway, after listening Episode number 151, I thought that Godric's Hollow would have been another good setting for Chapter 34 because it is where Harry was born and the place where it began his destiny as Harry Potter. Just like you all mentioned that Harry was given a choice, Harry would have either been choosing to die at the place where his parents who had died, or live and accept all the things that had happened to him and the person that he has become from the night that Voldemort gave Harry the scar."
Andrew: Hey, isn't that cool?
Matt: That's pretty cool, actually.
Micah: Yep, I like that.
Laura: And I think maybe we should clarify when she's talking about that, she's discussing other places in the Wizarding World that would serve as a good location for exemplifying being able to move on with death, or...
Laura: ...choosing to live. Okay.
Micah: I think that's cool. I still like Matt's choice from last week being the Veil.
Matt: Yeah, I do too.
Andrew: Especially since we never learned anything about it.
Matt: Yeah, that's the basic...
Laura: I know. That ticks me off. [laughs] Anyway...
Andrew: We bring that up, like, every show.
Matt: [imitating Laura] "Ticks me off a little bit."
Laura: Well, Okay. Let me just vent here for two seconds.
Matt: All right.
Laura: Didn't I devote, like, three episodes worth of discussion to the...
Micah: You did.
Laura: ...Department of Mysteries because I was convinced that we didn't learn anything!
Andrew: That was an awesome three part series, though.
Andrew: That was awesome. And final email, Micah.
Micah: Final e-mail comes from Rose, 20, of Philadelphia, talking about the wizard drinking age. She says:
"I don't think there's a specific age where they're allowed to drink alcohol, but I think it's understood that somethings are appropriate later in life. In 'Order of the Phoenix' when the trio goes to the Hogs Head for the first DA meeting, Ron comments -said he thinks the barman, Aberforth, would serve them anything and that he wants to try Firewhiskey, and Hermione goes, 'You are a Prefect!' to dissuade him. Butterbeer's probably okay because it's so mild, but drinking something more hardcore would be unbecoming of a Prefect, but not illegal. Love the show."
Matt: Yeah. Yeah, but he says he bets that he will allow him to get - that means he's not really allowed to, by Wizarding law, to sell Firewhiskey to a Prefect.
Andrew: That's just a little clarification.
Micah: No, I kind of agree with Matt. I think Ron bets that he'll get any sort of alcohol from Aberforth probably because he is a really shady character and this is kind of a really shady place, and he can probably swing some, you know, hardcore alcohol if he wanted to.
Matt: Yeah. Exactly. I mean, that's what a bunch of teens - I mean, I don't know about girls, but a lot of teen boys like to do, you know - "Like I wonder, you know, if this guy is really cool and he'll let me to get a beer or..."
Matt: Yeah, I agree with you, Micah.
Micah: I think there's - but I agree with what they're saying though too, in that there's probably not a specific age. I don't...
Matt: No, there probably isn't. Do you think it might just be, you know, just by the owner of the bar and how they, you know, want to sell it to?
Micah: Could be.
Matt: Because, like, in Prisoner of Azkaban, I know in the film they have it, I don't know about the book. It was probably because the talking heads weren't in the book, but when the talking heads said, "No underage wizards allowed today!" So, do you think, like, certain days underage wizards are allowed to be in and others they're not because they sell certain kinds of...
Micah: Yeah, that could be possible.
Matt: ...alcohol or butterbeers or something?
Laura: Yeah, that would make some sense.
Andrew: All right, it's time now for Chapter-by-Chapter. This week we are discussing the final chapter in Harry Potter...
Andrew and Matt: ...and the Deathly Hallows.
Andrew: You know, I kind of hate saying - do you guys count the epilogue as a chapter?
Matt: Oh, sorry. Can I clarify? It's "hallows," not "hollows."
Andrew: Hallows. Deathly Hallows. Finally, after like 36...
Andrew: ...Chapter-by-Chapters I get it right.
Matt: You should get it right.
Andrew: Well, I always was going to like put a little post-it note on my screen but, like, I used to say "Hollows" all the time...
Laura: Yeah. I remember that.
Andrew: ...for some reason. Yeah.
Laura: We corrected you like five times.
Andrew: No, I mean I had to use the word "hallows." Anyway, whatever. I'm screwed up again now. But anyway, do you guys count the epilogue as a chapter? Or is it just like there, you know what I mean?
Laura: Well, it's not really a chapter because it's an epilogue. I mean it's not even labeled as a chapter in the book.
Andrew: Should we do Epilogue-by-Epilogue next week...
Laura: Yeah, that'll be like...
Andrew: ...at Portus?
Laura: ...a one episode series, but sure.
Andrew: Exactly. If you love it or you hate it, it doesn't matter because it's only one.
Laura: Yeah, I mean, I definitely think it would be nice if we discussed the epilogue a little bit next week at Portus.
Andrew: At Portus?
Laura: Yeah, I mean...
Laura: I don't know how long of a discussion we'd need to go over the epilogue, but...
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