MuggleCast 153 Transcript

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Jim Dale: [as Professor McGonagall] This is Professor McGonagall welcoming you all to MuggleCast hoping you all enjoyed - Dobby! Dobby, come here! Here! Dobby! [as Dobby] Yes, I'd just like to say how very pleased I am to introduce MuggleCast to all of you! Thank you! Thank you!

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Micah: Because we are live from Portus in Dallas, Texas, this is MuggleCast Episode 153 for July 11th, 2008.

Andrew: Yeah! All right!

Matt: Woo!

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: That's good.

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[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Whoa!

Matt: Yes!

Andrew: Geez. Wow. Oh, man. Okay. Wow. Thank - you really did not have to do that.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Thank you. Welcome, everybody, to MuggleCast live at Portus!

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Thanks for staying up so late. Let's introduce the round table of hosts that have come out this evening. Let's start here to my right - no, sorry, let's start to the left.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Just screwed that up. The lovely Elysa Montford!

Elysa: Hi.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Hailing from Maryland.

Elysa: Hey, guys.

Andrew: This is new the newbie table over here. They haven't done a live podcast before, so go easy on them.

Matt: Please.

Andrew: Second, hailing from Southern California, Mr. Matt Britton!

[Audience cheers]

Matt: Hi.

Andrew: To my right, the lovely, insightful [raises voice] always thought provoking, blah, blah, blah, Laura Thompson.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: And last, but not least, MuggleCast news anchor Micah Tannenbaum!

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Do you have an intro for us, Micah?

Micah: I do. All right. Because we are live from Portus in Dallas, Texas, this is MuggleCast Episode 153 for July 11th 2008.

Andrew: Yeah, all right!

Matt: Woo!

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: That's good. That was good. How is everyone enjoying Portus today? Everyone...

Audience Member: It's amazing!

Andrew: Oh my God, I know! [laughs] Portus has been a lot of fun. Who went to the Wizard Rock show last night with the Mudbloods and the Moaning Myrtles?

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Some awesome music. I love The Moaning Myrtles, they are the sweetest people. You know, I come to their show and they don't come to mine. I'll remember that. Thank you, thank you.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Nah, I'm just kidding.

Matt: Because you're not any good.

Andrew: And the Mudbloods were there too. Who went to the opening feast last night? Oh my God.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: The food there, Laura and I went. The food was awesome. Mexican, right?

Laura: Yeah, it was fantastic. Who else loved it? Let's just gives a round of applause for the people here at Portus who are making this happen for us.

[Crowd applauds and cheers]

Andrew: Yay food!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: So we're going to treat this like a normal MuggleCast episode. So we'll start with the news. There hasn't been much news this week. I mean I'm sure you're all checking MuggleNet regularly, right? Ha, yeah, ten dollars for Internet. Okay, so...

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Micah, what's been going on in the news? There's only one story that's worth discussing, right?

Micah: Well, I was kind of disappointed because there were no pictures this week.

Andrew: No... [laughs]

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, but what happened? What actually happened this week?

News: Teaser to be with Dark Knight

Micah: Well, there was a little bit of a story, and apparently IMAX confirmed it, that the trailer for Half-Blood Prince, the teaser trailer, will be with Dark Knight.

Andrew: Wait, wait, a teaser - teaser trailer. Fifteen seconds preview for Half-Blood Prince coming with IMAX...

Matt: That's not even a teaser though, that's fifteen seconds.

Andrew: I don't even think it's going to - go ahead. Was someone going to say something? I didn't even think - that doesn't even count. I mean it sucks. I don't know.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Is anyone going to go see The Dark Knight in IMAX?

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Oh my God, it's going to be an awesome movie. Yeah, that's going to be a lot of fun. I don't know, but it's just kind of disappointing.

Laura: Sorry, sharing a mic here. Anyway, now do we know anything about The Mummy? Has there been any other news on that, or...

Andrew: No.

Laura: Okay, I'm going to just state - say here, that I will be officially ticked off if it comes out with The Mummy.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I'm going to be so mad because that movie looks like it's going to suck.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: But that's exactly - somebody e-mailed us and said the reason why Half-Blood Prince teaser trailer is going to be with The Mummy is because the movie does suck, and Universal knows that.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Just saying. I don't know. That's what the source said.

Micah: Well, they have to sell tickets.

Andrew: Huh?

Micah: They have to sell tickets.

Andrew: They have to sell tickets, yeah. How you going to do it? So anyway, that was the news this week. Is there any other news stories anybody wanted to discuss? Any hot topics? No, nothing, right? Yeah. Boo, boring.

[Audience member says something]

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Epilogue-by-Epilogue: "Epilogue"

Andrew: As everyone probably already knows we do Chapter-by-Chapter, and last week we did the final chapter, so this week we're going to do the epilogue.

Matt: Yes.

Andrew: And we came up with a discussion for it. There's not - well, go ahead, Laura.

Laura: Okay. So, as we kind of discussed on our previous show, we are going to do a one time series, Epilogue-by-Epilogue.

[Andrew laughs]

Initial Reactions

Laura: So we're going to start - it's nineteen years later. What were all of our initial reactions when we finished the final Harry Potter book?

[Matt laughs]

Laura: How did you guys feel? Micah Tannenbaum, you want to start us off?

Micah: I think I said this when we first went over Deathly Hallows. I wasn't really thrilled with the epilogue. I thought it was kind of weak.

[Audience member groans]

Andrew: Whoa!

Micah: [laughs] All right. I just didn't feel like there was a whole lot of substance to it. I felt that there could have been a little bit more. I know everybody is going to say, "well that's what the encyclopedia's for, and we'll find out more information as time goes along," but I was really disappointed. I was looking for a little bit more, and I thought it was kind of cheesy, to be honest. Some Audience Members: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: I don't know. I mean - I cried through the whole thing anyway, so it doesn't really matter what I think!

[Andrew, Micah and audience laugh]

Andrew: Yeah. No. I was - it's just that we are - our expectations were so much more, I think. Didn't everyone think it was going to be like something more? I mean, I don't even - I can't remember what I thought now, my mind's just so thrown off by it, but it was good. It was fun. It was cute. It was - I think it was what it was supposed to be. It was just supposed to screw up any future fan fiction. Right, Elysa of MuggleNet Fan Fiction?

[Audience laughs]

Elysa: Yeah. Exactly. I mean - I was sort of in shock when I read it, I think, but I have to agree with Micah. But looking back on it in retrospect, I think the only reason that maybe I didn't like it as much at the time is because of the fan fiction aspect, because it really ruined it. And for those who don't know, I'm one of the head moderators on MuggleNet Fan Fiction, so I have to deal with this a lot, so now everything is alternate universe these days because of the epilogue.

Laura: Ron and the Giant Squid.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: That's all I'll say.

Andrew: Matt, what do you think about it?

Matt: I thought it was okay. It - it seemed really like J.K. Rowling wrote this, like, when she first wrote the first book. Like she - like this was something that she wrote a long time ago. It was something that she wrote right after she wrote the last chapter. It seemed kind of disconnected from the story a little bit. It was just kind of like, "Oh, I'm going to throw that name in this and take someone else's character and put it in that name," and it was okay. I don't think it was a let down, but it was okay.

Andrew: Let's go through it, Laura.

House Unity

Laura: All right, so I think one of the most important things that we saw wrapped up in this epilogue was the issue of House unity. Here we see that Harry tells his son, Albus Severus - and we'll get on the subject of names in a few minutes.

[Audience laughs]

Laura: I just saw all of your faces turn.

[Audience laughs]

Laura: So anyhow, he tells him that he didn't care what House his son ended up in, and he frankly said that, "I knew a great man, the man that I named you after, who was in the Slytherin House." Now, do we really think all the House rivalry is gone? I mean really.

Matt: No. I hope not. There wouldn't be nothing to read or anything.

Andrew: Yeah, that's half the fun.

Laura: That's the point, I think.

Matt: Oh.

Laura: There is nothing left to read.

[Andrew and Audience laughs]

Laura: But, I mean, really, you have to consider, doesn't it seem a bit too optimistic to say that there are no other Draco Malfoy-ish characters at Hogwarts, who are kind of perpetuating this idea of Gryffindor versus Slytherin? Really?

Matt: Yeah. But there is one, so does it really matter?

Laura: [laughs] Way to take the wind out of my sails there. Anyhow...

Andrew: Really.

[Audience laughs]

Laura: So do we think that there are any characters at Hogwarts like this at this point, and let's just, you know, set aside the fact that there is no other book for a second, and think, you know, could be another character at Hogwarts who's perpetuating this kind of stereotype? Or do you think that anyone who sort of disagrees with the overall sentiment of the school would choose not to go there?

Matt: What?

[Audience laughs]

Micah: I think a couple of people in the crowd mentioned Scorpius. And it's certainly a name just by itself that would, you know, lend to evil doings at the school.

Andrew and Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: All right. Nothing else, no?

Andrew, Matt, and Micah: No.

Matt: Well, I like the fact that J.K. Rowling put Harry's son, James, kind of has a Fred Weasley quality to it. It's kind of like bringing back the dead of Fred Weasley.

Elysa: He kind of has a James Potter quality about him, honestly. I mean...

Matt: Yeah, but, I mean, no one cried for James because he already died before the book started.

[Audience laughs]

Elysa: Speak for yourself! I cried for James!

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: He was in the first ten seconds of Sorcerer's Stone.

Elysa: You have no heart, Matt.

Laura: Elysa's a Marauder fan girl.

[Andrew and the Audience laughs]

Elysa: I'm a big Marauders fan, so...

Laura: So, anyhow, unless anyone has anything else they want to say. Yes? No?

Andrew: No, let's continue.

Closure with Draco

Laura: Thank you, Andrew. So we have this great moment of closure between Draco and the trio. And actually, what it says is - let me actually look here. "Draco caught sight of Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Ginny staring at him, nodded curtly, and turned away again." Now, did we expect more or less of him?

Andrew: I just - what - it is...

Matt: Backup.

Andrew: ...nineteen years later. I mean, is this the first time they met after that? After - from nineteen years?

Matt: No.

Andrew: Yeah, see. That's what I'm saying. I get what J.K. Rowling's doing. She trying to tell us, you know, 'cause otherwise how would we know? So he would have to do it again, but, I don't know. It's like, get over it, Draco, right? I mean...

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Well, Draco's getting bald, isn't he?

Andrew: Yeah, he is.

[Elysa and Audience laughs]

Matt: Then he must be pissed off.

[Audience laughs harder]

Matt: I mean...

Andrew: I wonder if he has long hair. He's starting to get long hair like his father.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: No?

Matt: No. No. No.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: But I mean, would you expect any of you - that Draco might be a little more, I don't know, nice? I mean, they did save his life.

Matt: No.

Elysa: No.

Elysa and Matt: No.

Matt: No. Draco's just - I mean, Draco didn't repent his - I mean, he didn't repent at all after he got saved, like, twice by Harry. He's staying.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: He's staying. He's a dick.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Everyone is a Weasley Somehow

Laura: Okay. So this one was kind of something that I wanted to let Elysa field because it was an observation she made. So this is one little segment we titled, "Everyone is a Weasley Somehow."

Elysa: One big happy Weasley family, right?

[Audience cheers]

Elysa: Right.

Andrew: How, Elysa? Enlighten us.

Elysa: Well, I mean, Harry marries Ginny, and Hermione marries Ron, and I don't know if anyone has noticed this, but there's actually been a lot of speculation on, like, the forums - thank you Matt.

[Audience laughs]

Matt: You're welcome.

Elysa: There's been a lot of speculation on the forums and the fan fiction site that, I think it's Albus and Rose, are going to get together. And there's been a whole bunch of stories about that. So, I mean, it's sort of never ending, isn't it? The whole Weasley thing?

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, I mean you have Teddy Lupin making out with, Vic - Victoire. I think that's right?

Elysa: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Laura: I don't speak French...

Elysa: That's right.

Laura: I don't speak the French thing, but...

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Matt: That's like scary, kind of close to being a family, too. There's isn't many other options than that.

Laura: Yeah, I mean, I'm from Georgia, so I've seen that. I've seen some people where I live, who are, you know, they're a little close for family, but hopefully they don't do that in Britain. I don't know.

Andrew: England? Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Matt: And Britain.

[Audience and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Yes.

End of the Epilogue

Laura: So, just to kind of wrap up what we think, because we're going to let you guys get your say in here in a few minutes, what did we all think of the way the epilogue ended? Essentially, the last sentence of it is, "The scar had not pained Harry for nineteen years. All was well."

Andrew: I talked about this last week. I just wanted her to end the book with scar! Like - and I'm not going to get over that. The second to last sentence had scar in it; you could've reworded it.

Matt: Yeah, they could have just said, "All was well..."

Matt and Laura: "Scar."

Andrew: Yes, exactly!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Would anyone have complained?

Matt: Yes.

Andrew: No. No. Why?

Matt: It's stupid!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I don't care if it's stupid!

Laura: Okay, Andrew Sims, Okay. Please just, on the spot, reword the last sentence of Book 6...

Andrew: Yeah, see, and I was going to do this...

Laura: ...with scar as the last word.

Andrew: Well, I don't know.

Laura: There's no way you can do it!

Andrew: I need a couple more energy drinks. "The scar had not pained Harry for nineteen years." "Nineteen years had...pained...scar."

[Audience and Laura laugh]

Andrew: "All was well - all was well, because no pain for nineteen years came from the scar." There we go! I did it! Right, right?!

[Audience cheers]

Laura: New York Times best-selling material right there.

Matt: Is that even proper grammar?

Laura: I don't think so.

Andrew: Ah, it was close. It was close enough.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: That's going to be the title of this show. Actually, it won't fit on MuggleNet, so no.

[Someone says something unintelligible]

Quote Quiz from Epilogue

Andrew: What? Okay. Go ahead, intro it.

Laura: I don't think I have the right voice for that, Andrew. I'm pretty sure there's a special...

Andrew: Laura wants me to do Quote Quiz, which means I have to loosen my Quote Quiz throat, get back into the...

Matt: Quote Quiz for...what?

Andrew: I'm going to let everybody...

Matt: Are we going to do Quote Quiz for, like, the back of the cover, or something?

Andrew: Yes! Yes!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Okay, so it's time for Quote Quiz! [echoes]

Matt: Oh, do it again, do it again, do it again.

Andrew: I don't want to pop the mic. Quote Quiz! [echoes]

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Close enough, okay? So, what are we going to - Quote Quiz for the epilogue? Oh, you have one here already! Perfect. I didn't look at these before we started, probably should have done that. Okay, so we're going to quiz you, and then somebody will try to figure out who said it. So, "Don't let it worry you, it's me, I'm extremely famous." Audience: Ron!

Andrew: Oh, okay, wait! There are people sitting here reading the book!

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: Oh, you cheaters!

Andrew: Yeah, okay, I trust some people, yeah. All right, so that's how we play Quote Quiz. [echoes]

[A few audience members laugh]

Andrew: Boy, you guys - wow, thanks a lot for the support.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Just kidding. [laughs]

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