MuggleCast 155 Transcript
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Andrew: Because we finally have a teaser trailer, this is MuggleCast, Episode 155 for July 31st, 2008.
Andrew: Hey now, everybody! Celebration! A teaser trailer, finally. 7 PM on the East Coast, July 20th, 2008, this is MuggleCast, coming at you live this evening with discussion of the teaser trailer. Oh, geez, one thousand people at the moment. Joining me tonight is the best team in Potter podcasting, starting with the lovely Laura Thompson.
Laura: Aw, thank you, Andrew.
Andrew: Good evening, Laura.
Laura: Good evening, Andrew.
Andrew: You sound beautiful this evening.
Laura: So do you, dear.
Andrew: What's that?
Laura: I said, "so do you, dear."
Andrew: Thank you. Next up, MuggleCast news anchor, Micah Tannenbaum! Fresh from New Orleans. Good evening, Micah.
Micah: How are you doing?
Andrew: I'm great! How was New Orleans?
Micah: It was a lot of fun.
Andrew: Did you party it up?
Micah: Little bit, little bit.
Andrew: Meet anyone?
Micah: All work, Andrew, all work.
Andrew: Ben Schoen is also here... [laughs] ...holding down the fort at the MuggleNet offices. How are you doing, Ben?
Ben: [laughs] I'm doing great, how are you doing, buddy?
Andrew: Pretty good. Doing Spy on Spartz later on, maybe? Is Emerson around?
Ben: No, he's not, actually. I'm in his house all by myself.
Andrew: Ooh. Okay.
Ben: I'm selling his boxers now on eBay.
Andrew: Selling Emerson...
[Andrew, Ben and Micah laugh]
Andrew: Did you wash them or no? I would buy them, they just - you couldn't wash them.
Andrew: Joining us by phone is Elysa Montfort. Hello, Elysa.
Elysa: Hey, Andrew. Hi, guys.
Andrew: Hi. Joining us by phone because, you know, Elysa puts a lot of dedication into the show but sometimes, you know, you just can't go to a library and stake yourself out there. She presents herself with a very dangerous task every episode...
Andrew: ...when she does go out to the library. Anyway, the teaser trailer came out and this is what we're here to discuss. I hope everyone's seen it by now because otherwise we're in trouble! No? Okay.
General Thoughts on Teaser Trailer
Andrew: What did you guys think? Was everyone happy in general? Laura, let's start with you. We'll start with general thoughts; we'll just go around the table. Let's hear Laura first.
Laura: I thought it was fantastic! I mean, I don't want to get too much into it because we have a few talking points we're going to use here, but I really loved the focus they're putting on Tom Riddle. I think that was my favorite part of it and, frankly, I'm just glad to know that we're actually having a movie come out, because for a while I was doubtful.
Andrew: Well, you know what? And the trailer leaked online early on MSN. They leaked it like forty-five minutes early.
Andrew: And at the trailer, at the end, it said "this year" instead of, like, "November" or anything, and I started getting worried because I was like, "Oh no, maybe they are going to change the date!"
Laura: Oh, my God.
Andrew: "Maybe it is going to be delayed!" But then, you know, the U.S. one did come out and it said "November." Ben, how about you? What did you think of the trailer?
Ben: I thought it was great, I thought it was good. I mean, everybody seems to be in awe of it and I just hope that the movie's actually as good as what we saw there.
Andrew: Yeah. Micah?
Micah: The pictures finally moved.
Micah: So, yeah, I was really impressed and even more so than that, Michael Gambon may redeem himself with this movie for me.
Andrew: Oh, yes, thank you. Definitely.
Micah: He seemed...
Laura: I'm surprised to hear that coming from you, Micah.
Micah: Yeah, I know, I know. It's kind of hard for me to say that, but he looks like he's doing a good job in this movie in particular. So we'll se what happens. Like Ben said, will it all live up to the hype of this teaser trailer?
Andrew: Yeah. And Elysa?
Elysa: Yeah, I agree with Micah. I mean, just the five seconds we saw of Dumbledore with the fire spell and everything. That was exactly how I imagined it. And also what Laura said, the focus on young Tom Riddle. I wasn't expecting that, honestly, so I was pleasantly surprised.
Andrew: Yeah, it looked really good. So what we can do is we can just play the trailer through and then we can talk about the different parts of it. There was a – well, here, let's start with the trailer. We'll just start from the beginning and then go through the whole thing.
[Trailer audio begins playing]
Andrew: Okay, so there's the eerie music at first. Goes to the field.
Dumbledore: What you are looking at are memories.
Andrew: Okay, we'll stop right there. Doesn't Michael Gambon already sound different than how we've ever heard him before?
Ben: I don't know.
Laura: I don't think so.
Laura: Everyone thinks he sounds different. I don't get it. He just sounds gentler in this part.
Laura: I mean – but Harry's had these conversations with Dumbledore in his office before and Michael Gambon has portrayed them beautifully I think. I really don't see any difference.
Andrew: I just – it sounds like he has a different inflection in his voice. He just sounds like – "The memories" – I don't know, it just sounds better. Because he does...
Micah: He seems a lot more caring.
Ben: Do you have a clip? Do you have a clip to play from an older Michael Gambon clip? So we can compare it.
Andrew: No, but when we get to it later, there's a different part in this trailer where he does sound different. Where he sounds like how he has sounded. Let's continue.
Dumbledore: In this case pertaining to one individual.
Andrew: Come on. How does he sound normal there?
Micah: He sounds more in character to me.
Micah: From somebody who didn't like Michael Gambon as Dumbledore after Richard Harris passed away. He does sound much more in character and, you know, a very much different individual than from when he shook Harry. "Did you put your name in the Goblet of Fire?" Type thing.
Elysa: I agree.
Andrew: Laura, what were you going to say?
Laura: The only difference - okay, the only difference is that he's not yelling at the collective student body like he did in Order of the Phoenix. There's a slight echo to his voice, too, and I think it's just an effect on it. I don't...
Andrew: He just sounds so much more magical.
Ben: So what Laura's saying is it's the room they were in, it's not him.
Andrew: [laughs] It's the echo.
Laura: No, seriously! There is an echo to his voice. Listen to it.
Andrew: I hear an echo.
Ben: Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, do you think that Gambon is a more convincing Dumbledore?
Ben: Is that what you and Micah are saying?
Andrew: He just sounds cooler.
Ben: So you're saying that based off of one clip, huh?
Andrew: Keep in mind that this is actually the first film we've seen since J.K. Rowling announced that Dumbledore's gay. So maybe...
Andrew: ...Michael Gambon is taking that into account.
Laura: Are you saying he sounds gay?
Ben: Oh no.
Andrew: Well, let's put it this way. We have heard reports that he's been a little more, how do you say, flamboyant? On the set. He's been taking advantage of Jo's revelation. I don't know, just saying.
Laura: I would love to see that.
Ben: How do you – I mean - why would he take advantage, because...
Andrew: Not taking advantage but...
Ben: ...like Dumbledore - no, listen - Dumbledore was gay all along. The way that Gambon portrays Dumbledore, based on how he read in the book, if he was supposed to be gay...
Andrew: I'm kidding. It was a joke. [laughs] I'm just kidding. But you never know. You never know.
Andrew: Let's continue.
Dumbledore: This is perhaps the most important memory I've collected.
Andrew: "I've collected." Okay, we'll keep going.
Dumbledore: I'd like you to see it.
Laura: Are you going to stop every two seconds?
Andrew: Okay, sorry! Okay.
Mrs. Cole: In all the years Tom's been here he's never once had a visitor.
Tom: You're the doctor, aren't you?
Tom: Who are you?
Dumbledore: Well, I'm like you, Tom. I'm different.
Tom: Prove it.
Andrew: Was anyone scared when that fire just came out of nowhere?
Laura: Well, you and Matt were.
Andrew: I shook, yeah.
Laura: I have to say, you guys win the award for girliest reaction to a trailer.
Andrew: Oh, are you talking about Matt and I's trailer reaction video?
Andrew: YouTube. Link available on MuggleCast.com. It'll become a quick classic. But - yeah. I have a confession to make about that. That wasn't the first time we actually watched it.
Andrew: That was the fiftieth. [laughs] Well, some people actually believed that that was the first time, but we're pretending it is for...
Micah: That's false advertising.
Andrew: Well, that's all part of the joke though. I mean...
Micah: Oh. I was scared.
Andrew: Yeah, weren't you?
Micah: I was more scared by the look in young Tom Riddle's eyes, by the fact that the cabinet just burst into flames. He seemed to really enjoy it.
Andrew: I know.
Laura: That kid - I mean I know Ben's going to yell at us for basing these assumptions off one snippet of trailer, but this kid looks amazing.
Andrew: He does. He really does.
Laura: He really does. I mean, just the inflections of his voice. He just sounds so dead. So lacking in emotion. And the only part where there is the slightest amount of emotion in his voice is when he talks about being able to hurt people when they're mean to him.
Andrew: Right. Yeah, he just looks so disturbed and you could just look at his eyes and – we'll get into logistics of this whole trailer, but we'll move along here.
Tom: I can make things move without touching them. I can make bad things happen to people who are mean to me. I can speak to snakes too.
Andrew: And this part was awesome too. Where Dumbledore just - he's walking out of Tom's room and just pauses right there. Didn't you guys love that?
Laura: Yeah, it was really good. It was basically one of those "Oh crap!"
Andrew: Yeah, exactly. At first, the first time I watched this, I was a little afraid that they edited this to make it look like Dumbledore is walking out and then stops when he says that. And I hope that's actually how it is in the film. You know what I mean? How they change around the scenes sometimes to make it look cooler or something?
Elysa: Right, yeah.
Andrew: Yeah, I really hope that's not how they - they don't change it in the film. Anyway, we'll continue.
Tom: They find me, whisper things.
Harry: Did you know, sir? Then?
Dumbledore: Did I know I'd just met the most dangerous dark wizard of all time? No.
Andrew: [with a lisp] Yes, of course I did!
Andrew: So, the trailer as a whole, did you think it was good how it focused on one topic this time? 'Cause I mean, like in the past, they've sort of focused on Umbridge, but this trailer was really - it just felt so different compared to past teaser trailers, right?
Laura: Yeah, I agree, and I'm hoping that what this means is they're going to put a strong focus on the history behind Voldemort and Tom Riddle in the film. I mean, one of the big differences a lot of us noticed is there's virtually no Trio in this; Hermione doesn't appear in it and Ron's in it for a split second.
Laura: So I really appreciated that because I've noticed in the past they have a habit, in the trailers, of using Hermione to explain what's going on and using Ron to provide the laughs.
Andrew: Mhm. Yeah, and there was...
Laura: So it was nice to see a change of pace.
Andrew: Yeah, and there was no Hermione in this either. You know...
Andrew: ...I know exactly what you're talking about, and that does get kind of annoying, doesn't it?
Micah: It seemed that there was finally a focus on the story for once, and maybe they've actually paid close attention to the books. The only knock on it that I would say is there was really nothing to do with the Half-Blood Prince himself in this trailer.
Laura: Right, that is true.
Andrew: I wonder if that's one of things that they're going to keep a surprise, because I know with Order of the Phoenix, they kept Sirius's death a whole secret, so maybe they want to stay away from the Half-Blood Prince because it ultimately leads to Snape killing Dumbledore?
Ben: Well, I think that - I mean, is it just me or in the book, wasn't the Half-Blood Prince - I mean, that wasn't the main important part.
The Title, Half-Blood Prince
Andrew: No, it wasn't. That was one of the things that bothered me about Half-Blood Prince. It was called Half-Blood Prince and it didn't really focus much around Snape.
Ben: Yeah, so why would the trailer focus around something that's just an underlying plot?
Andrew: Well, I don't know. Why did you think so, Laura?
Laura: Why did I think they centered around Tom Riddle or...?
Andrew: No, not around the Half-Blood Prince. Or was that Micah who said that?
Micah: I said that.
Andrew: Oh. Yeah, well, I mean...
Ben: Because the book didn't either.
Andrew: Yeah, I mean, that was ultimately Jo's mistake and we really can't blame the movie.
Ben: How is it a mistake?
Laura: I don't think it's a mistake!
Andrew: Okay, okay!
Andrew: Sorry, I take that back. I don't mean Jo's mistake, I just mean her doing.
Ben: Her doing, yeah. It was her decision.
Andrew: So, I guess...
Ben: Andrew, do you think it's a mistake, though? Was that a Freudian slip?
Andrew: Yes. Now you're going to ask me title would I have called it and I don't know. It should have been called Harry Potter and Snape Kills Dumbledore. Just don't even make it a surprise.
Ben: You got that from a t-shirt from Hot Topic.
Andrew: Yes, that was quite popular.
Elysa: I mean, I was always sort of under the impression, though, that part of the reason it was called Half-Blood Prince is because Jo was sort of trying to trip us up. Because I know a lot of people were just assuming, beforehand, that it was Voldemort, and I think that - well, I know for a fact, actually, that a lot of people who don't read the books are seeing the trailer, looking at the title, and making the exact same connection. So maybe it's just like a head fake. That's what I always thought it was.
Andrew: Oh, yeah.
Andrew: You're probably right. Well then, also, the teaser's a little misleading because - well, I don't know - because young Tom - young Voldemort's talking about, you know, making people - he can control people and start crap, and it starts going to those flashes of Ron passed out and Ginny's wand getting knocked out of her hand.
Andrew: And, by the way, that's actually the new scene that's been much publicized. So...
Ginny's in Water
Laura: Yeah, what was - I just have to ask, I don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves here, but what was with Ginny, like, standing in water?
Andrew: It's a rainy day.
Laura: Really rainy, apparently.
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Andrew: Was it water? I couldn't even...
Laura: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was.
Andrew: Let me load up my trailer.
Laura: But yeah, it's like she's standing in a bathrobe in water.
Elysa: It looked like she was standing in a cornfield or something that...
Andrew: Well, it's weird. What they have now is - it's at the Burrow, and the house is surrounded by tall grass, I guess you would call it. And, I mean, I think the only reason it's there is to, like - so Greyback can hide.
Andrew: And so the place goes up on fire more easily. That's the only reason I can think of, though. I'm looking at the Ginny shot and you don't even see her feet.
Laura: Really? I thought I saw - maybe I'm blind. I don't know, but...
Andrew: I think you're a bad trailer watcher.
Laura: You know what?
Andrew: Oh! Okay. Yeah, something - okay, maybe that is water. It's a rainy day. No, you're right. You're right. It is water.
Laura: Okay. And I'm the bad trailer watcher? Thank you.
Andrew: Sorry. [laughs]
Laura: No, about the cornfields, I do have to say it kind of looks like they've picked up the story and dropped it in the middle of, like, Kansas.
[Andrew and Ben laugh]
Andrew: Well, that's where they're filming now. Yeah, I think the only reason they did that is one, so Greyback can hide, coming in.
Andrew: Because, like, you know, it - well, I guess we'll see in the film. But then also, you know, the place - there is like a fire scene that occurs. And I'm looking at the trailer and Harry's running through all that tall grass, so...
The Hogwarts Express
Andrew: Was anyone annoyed at the beginning how - I'm jumping around now - how at the beginning there's a shot of the Hogwarts Express, and it's going through - it looks like a - it's not a desert, but it kind of looks like a desert. It's just some flatlands.
Laura: It's part of that tall grass, I think. The same kind of...
Andrew: Oh, is it? Whatever happened to the days when the Hogwarts Express would glide smoothly through rolling hills of Scotland?
Micah: Well, Ben, this really was...
Laura: I don't know, maybe they were just trying...
Ben: That was back before the book - they were PG, man.
Ben: PG 13. This is - this is the hardcore Hogwarts Express.
Andrew: [laughs] It's just - the whole trailer as a whole has a very dark feel to it. It just seems like the whole film doesn't - give us a break at least with the Hogwarts Express. Make that look happy before it gets all dark.
Movie 6 Shot in Kansas
Micah: It really does seem that it was shot in Kansas.
Micah: I'm starting to get that feeling now, because this is two different shots. First the cornfield, now kind of this open terrain. Ben, did you just loan them some of your backyard or something?
Ben: Yeah, actually.
Andrew: Ben, I think I can see you and your mom out here.
[Ben, Elysa, and Laura laugh]
Andrew: In the tall grass or something.
A Darker Film
Ben: Is it just me - is it just me, or is each time anybody who does the film is asked about the film in comparison to the other films...
Andrew: It gets darker.
Ben: Yeah, this one - [in English accent] "this one's a bit darker."
Andrew: It's always darker!
Laura: Every time, yeah.
Andrew: But in all reality...
Ben: It is a bit darker. [laughs]
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. And this one definitely is taking the cake. I think it's getting darker faster than it did with previous films. Because nothing - nothing's happy. We haven't seen any happy - that was the other thing. I was looking at MuggleNet today, and, you know, we have all these thumbnails on each news post, and the whole page - the whole home page right now is covered in Half-Blood Prince news, so it's all Half-Blood Prince pictures, and there's not one, like, joyous, happy, photo that's been released. They're all, you know, dark photos, they got brownish tints to them because it's low lighting...
Laura: Well, what do you expect them to do? Be like, "Yay! Dumbledore died!"
Andrew: No, but we don't...
Ben: You think the [unintelligible] are depressed?
Andrew: [laughs] Maybe they are. "Oh my God, we got two more films to go after this."
Ben: Oh, man.
Andrew: Maybe that's what they're thinking. Like, Slughorn's party, like that's going to be purple and green, and that's all good, but it just seems like everything's so dark.
Laura: Well you know what's interesting about that? Wasn't it - I don't know, I think it was Emma Watson who said in an interview that this movie was supposed to be a lot more comic than the previous one.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure she did. And thus far I'm not seeing any comedy.
Laura: You know, if they're saving it. But usually they don't. They usually take all the lame comic moments and throw them together in the trailer.
Andrew and Elysa: Yeah.
Andrew: Well, also, there's been that quote floating around from David Heyman, I think it was, describing the film as - it's more "sex, drugs, and rock n' roll"-ish. Course there's no drugs or sex, but it's just more - I guess what he's trying to say is it's just darker and cooler, and maybe that also does include being funnier. I mean, you got to keep in mind, this trailer - I don't think it's supposed to be representative of the movie as a whole at all. I mean it's very obvious they're just focusing on the darker side of this film.
Laura: Well, I think they're trying...
Ben: I just hope the humor in this film is a lot more, I don't know, not as childish or forced as it is in some of the other films, I think.
Andrew: Mhm. "Why couldn't we follow the butterflies? Why couldn't he have said follow the butterflies?"
Laura: "I love magic."
Ben: Oh, and - yeah, the "I love magic" thing.
Laura: That was pretty bad.
Ben: That was such a corny moment. I just hope they shy away from that.
Andrew: That was Goblet, right?
Andrew: Yeah, when he goes in the tent. Okay, so it's a different director, so maybe - I haven't seen - David Heyman, or Yates - hasn't done anything very corny, has he? I don't think so.
Ron's Film Character
Laura: No, I really can't think of anything. Honestly, I really appreciate Yates, just because of what he's done for Ron's character.
Ben: What did he do for Ron? Elaborate.
Laura: Okay, well, you know how up until pretty much the fifth movie Ron was constantly used for comic relief, and he always looked scared...
Laura: ...and in every promotional photo he looked like he was about to wet his pants...
Laura: ...and now Order of the Phoenix comes out, and suddenly Ron is, I think, a more believable character. They're not just using him for comic relief. It just felt like they were using the fact that he was such a direct contrast to Hermione from the books, and just taking that to the full extreme, and giving him all the corny lines, and making him the laugh material. So...
Ben: So you're saying David Yates gave Ron some fortitude.
Elysa and Laura: Yes.
Andrew: I like how Ron's always sleeveless now in these films.
Ben: Oh Jesus.
Andrew: Like when he's sleeping and stuff, he's all, you know, we can see all his arms, his full arm.
Laura: He's buff.
Ben: Well, that's just so when Laura goes to the movie she can be like, "Oh my God, Rupert with his shirt off! Oh my God!"
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Andrew: I guess that the sex they're talking about. More skin bared than ever!
Ben: That would have been Goblet of Fire, with...
Andrew: Oh yeah, with...
Ben: But then again, Dan was like thirteen then, so...
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.
Ben: Fourteen, fifteen, don't - I don't know. Someone's going to correct me.
Andrew: Yeah. Just wait till DH; DH he's going to be naked all the time. Mmm.
[Ben and Andrew laugh]
Ben: They might as well film the whole movie naked. Sorry. Andrew's crazy.
Andrew: Did anything stand out that was really different or really similar to the book? Did anyone...
Ben: The title. The title...
Andrew: Oh yeah.
Ben: ...at the beginning was really good.
McGonagall in the Trailer
Andrew: No, but just like the scene with McGonagall, she's like addressing all the students it seems. Does any one know what that is? What's going on?
Laura: It looks like they were all milling around her. I didn't really notice that she was making an announcement.
Laura: I mean, it didn't look like she was - that she was directing anything towards them. I think it just looked like she was walk down a crowded corridor.
Andrew: Well, she's talking too. If you watch it, she is opening her mouth, and she's reading - she's holding a piece of paper and saying something.
Laura: I don't know.
Andrew: I don't know. It's a stumper. But that was kind of a cool shot, 'cause it's hard to notice McGonagall at first, unless you're actually looking at the very bottom.
Micah: Yeah, I didn't even notice she was there until you just said that.
Elysa: Neither did I honestly.
Andrew: You see what you learn when you podcast? What - did anyone notice anything else that's very similar or anything?
Laura: Well, I mean, I don't know about the similarities but, I mean obviously, you have the orphanage scene, and I just think the orphanage looks fantastic.
Andrew: Yeah, it really does. And we were talking about this...
Laura: I did notice, it kind of had a similar style to the Department of Mysteries, with the dark brick.
Mikey: The very uniformed dark brick, you mean?
Mikey Joins the Show from Work
Andrew: Mikey B. is joining us now, by the way.
Mikey: Hi, everybody.
Ben: Another one of So. Cal.'s finest.
Mikey: So, guys, I'm sorry to distract. I'm calling from work. I'm actually working right now.
Ben: No way.
Ben: Where do you work?
Mikey: Right now I'm working on Jack Black footage.
Andrew: What a show off. You're such a show off.
Ben: Get him out of here.
[Andrew and Ben laugh]
Andrew: No I'm just kidding.
Mikey: Bye, guys.
Mikey's Thoughts on the Trailer
Andrew: Mikey, can we have your thoughts...
Andrew: ...about the trailer?
Mikey: Yeah, no, I loved the trailer, dude. It was pretty - you know, I saw it at first... [unintelligible] ...the little one.
Mikey: Honestly, I wasn't that impressed watching the little one. And then last night I watched the 1080p one and... [laughs]... I felt better about it.
Titles During Trailer
Andrew: Yeah. Hey, hey, here's something I can talk about with you that nobody else will really be able to appreciate. Those titles during the trailer are so bad!
Mikey: Well, you know, yeah - like, so those titles are in the trailer. I went back after watching it on the MSN because I was totally kind of underwhelmed. I was like eh, that's kind of cool, but, you know, it's creative editing. You know, I'm kind of jaded more and more with editing every day now that I'm working every day on a television show and stuff. But when I looked back at the, you know, Order of the Phoenix trailer versus the Half-Blood Prince one, Order of the Phoenix looks way more polished, and the titles look super crisp with the gold...
Andrew: Well, yeah.
Andrew: The title looks so last minute.
Ben: That's why I go to the movies. To see the titles.
Mikey: But again - but it's a style thing. And, you know, the titles came up just a generic background, it looked kind of like a soupy, you know, type of background. It was all blue and dark. And it looks scary looking. But when I actually looked at the titles, like, frame by frame, 'cause of course I would do something that ridiculous.
Mikey: The titles are just as finished as Order of the Phoenix and all the other films, it's they added this weird outline to them. And it just looks really amateur...
Andrew: It does.
Mikey: ...like something right of like...
Andrew: I would do that.
Mikey: ...[unintelligible] movie or something.
Andrew: Right out of an Andrew Sims video.
Mikey: Yeah, a Sims video, and I love Andrew, but, you know, I don't what him editing the Harry Potter movies.
[Andrew and Mikey laugh]
Andrew: But it's just, yeah. I - we don't have to get into it because it's just - it's not up to WB standards. And it looks like an amateur trailer. And we've seen so many fake trailers floating around - I've seen so many. Like, if you go on YouTube and search for Half-Blood Prince trailer, people make these fakes, and these titles look like they're, you know, the real ones.
Mikey: Yeah, they look like the fake trailer titles and...
Ben: So - so are you saying it might be a hoax by WB?
Ben: That we still don't have the real trailer. That's what you're saying, isn't it?
Mikey: Truthfully, truthfully me and Andrew, since we live so close together, we actually went down to the studio, filmed a bunch of footage, and that's - this trailer that everyone's been watching was cut together on my computer. That - that's what it is, guys.
Andrew: There he is, showing off again. What a show off.
Mikey: I've given it up....
Mikey: I'm giving it up now, saying sorry, guys, I lied to all of you. But I wanted something new, and there you go. Hope you like the trailer.
Andrew: All right, well...
Mikey: And just so everybody knows, I didn't really cut it, so don't be like "Mikey cut it!" I didn't.
Andrew: All right, well, thank you, Mikey, for checking in with us.
Mikey: I can stay for a while.
Andrew: Oh. Okay. All right.
Mikey: I just have to zone out every once in a while.
Ben: That's Andrew trying to kick Mikey out.
Andrew: I was not!
Ben: You're still welcome here.
Mikey: Ben, I loved - we talked last night, and it was like "yeah, Ben, what's up?"
Ben: Yeah, that was all like a two second IM chat.
The Younger Dumbledore
Andrew: All right, so let's move along now. All right, we talked about the trailer having different feel to it. Let's talk a little more about Michael Gambon again, because he really does - he's really featured in this trailer. Was everyone - actually, I heard a lot of complaints about - people weren't happy with how he looked in the flashbacks. The younger Dumbledore. Would anyone agree with that? Not up to par how he should look?
Laura: Why? What was wrong with it?
Andrew: Well, people just said he looked - I don't know.
Mikey: I think he look's darker than he should. Like I'm - when I looked at it, I liked the way he looks, and it definitely helps set a tone, and the fact that, like, the way he lit the dresser on fire, it's super kind of dark. And that's the whole mood they're going for. So I'm wondering if that's creative editing. But the Dumbledore in the book and everything to me is, you know, he's kind of, you know, he's Dumbledore! You know, odd, [unintelligible], you know, everything. He's goofy! And...
Mikey: ...this one seemed really dark, and even like his hair, which had like a tinge of grey, and it looked black; it looked dirty almost...
Mikey: I don't know, he just seemed really darker than the Dumbledore I like. But he's Michael Gambon, what can I say?
Andrew: It's - I think a lot of people are also comparing it to the Richard Harris, young version of Richard Harris, where he had the short beard, and it was still white hair, I think. I mean it was a black and white flashback so we didn't really know, but...
Laura: Yeah, you know, they might have... [sighs] It might have been beneficial for them to try to mirror that a bit more as opposed to going in a different direction. I don't know, I mean, I guess they're figuring that most people won't notice the discrepancy there, but I don't know. It would have been nice.
Andrew: Anyway, Micah, you were talking about you think Michael Gambon's redeeming himself. Why?
Ben: Because we saw 30 seconds of him act.
[Laura and Micah laugh]
Andrew: No, but it does make...
Micah: Which is more than he's acted in the last couple films, so...
Laura: Oh, Micah...
Micah: No, no, no.
Mikey: He's kind of telling the truth though, guys.
Micah: The whole look of it doesn't bother me at all. I don't understand what people are getting upset about. I think, you know, the flashback scene is fine, but he just seems a little bit more at ease with his role in this movie as opposed to movies that he's done previously, in my opinion, and yeah, I understand it's thirty seconds, but just those thirty seconds he seems a lot more serious. I don't know in terms of the role that he's playing, I mentioned before the scene in Goblet of Fire or, you know, Laura mentioned in Order of the Phoenix when he comes out and tells everybody to go do their school work - that's not Dumbledore in terms of how he's portrayed in the books. He would never do something like that. This Dumbledore seems a lot more calmer, a lot more Richard Harris-like than I think we've seen in the past.
Andrew: Hm, yes, exactly.
Ben: Ah, well, did you think that had anything to do with the screenwriter?
Micah: Could be.
Mikey: Uh, yeah. [laughs]
Andrew: Well, wouldn't it have to do with the - I just - I just think the sound of his voice is so different especially in the beginning, and that's what really made the difference for me. So, I almost wonder if it's David Yates saying to him, "Look, act a little lighter. Be a little chippier."
Elysa: Well, you know what I read? I read - actually, I think it was after Order of the Phoenix came out, that Michael Gambon hadn't read any of the books since he started filming when he took over for Richard Harris.
Elysa: He hadn't read any of them, and, I mean, I agree with Micah; I think you can tell. I didn't like Michael Gambon as Dumbledore, not at all. I mean Richard Harris aside, I just didn't think he portrayed him very well. But he did say - and I can't remember where I read it, I think it was a few weeks ago - that he actually read Half-Blood Prince. I think that probably played a huge role. I mean, I think you can tell - I agree with you, Andrew, like, in his voice. I feel like it's more - more solemn almost...
Elysa: It had a very calm, easy way about him, even when, no matter what his emotion was - happy, or sad, or depressed - he was always sort of very stable, and you can hear that in his voice, even in the, you know, twenty seconds of the trailer or whatever.
Ben: Now, now, hold on a second. Where did - where did you hear that he read Book 6? Did anybody else hear that?
Andrew: I feel like I did. We have to look into that though, because I mean, that is really important.
Ben: That's a big deal, yeah.
Laura: Yeah, that would be interesting.
Mikey: That would be huge if he actually read a Harry Potter book and decided to act like, you know, the Dumbledore from the book.
Ben: I feel like it would've been made a bigger deal, is the only thing.
Andrew: I feel like it's...
Ben: Everyone bashed him so much.
Elysa: Yeah, I don't know if he read the whole thing, but I know that - I don't think it was he that said it, I think it was actually Daniel Radcliffe was like, you know, well, for the Slughorn scene where they go and they try to get Slughorn to teach, that they were actually referencing parts of the book, that he and Dan had worked together referencing parts of the book.
Elysa: I don't know if he read it cover to cover, but...
Ben: We should find out.
Elysa: He at least read parts of it. Yeah, I'll look for that.
Mikey: We could...
Laura: They're very...
Mikey: We should call them up.
Andrew: You could also blame it on the director, because you know, what would it take to just give him - surely somebody must have told him about Dumbledore before. They couldn't have just handed him the script and said "Go!" I think somebody would have to explain to him...
Ben: Of course.
Andrew: ...who Dumbledore is.
Ben: Or you get it through reading the script, you know?
Laura: Right, and I mean also there were two other movies to work off of, as well. Not to say that he should have taken Richard Harris's portrayal and tried to copy it, but, I mean, I think he saw those and he read the script, and not that is preferable to reading the books, but I don't see that reading those things would give him a bad portrayal of Dumbledore. I think there are valid points brought up with some of the lines he was given, but I think we need to remember that he didn't write the script, someone else did, so that's not really his fault, and I think he takes a lot of crap off people for that.
Andrew: Let's talk about the good parts of Dumbledore...[laughs]...a little more.
Clips of the Cave Scene
Andrew: The scene in the cave that there's a couple of quick clips of. How amazing does that look?
Laura: It looks awesome.
Andrew: He's just...
Mikey: Fire [unintelligible].
Andrew: Yeah. What do you guys think of what he's standing on? Because it looks like ice, doesn't it?
Mikey: Oh no, no, no. I went back and actually looked frame by frame to see if I could find Harry. He's on an island, definitely.
Andrew: Right, but why is it ice? That's what I don't get.
Mikey: No, it's not ice, it's not ice. Here, hold on, I have the trailer - I happen to have downloaded the trailer.
Andrew: Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. One minute, eight seconds. It's just - on the set...
Ben: What frame is that? What frame is that on our wonderful image viewer, Andrew?
Andrew: Hold on, I'm going to look it up. Oh...
Micah: Well, didn't...
Andrew: Point seven eight seconds...
Micah: Wasn't the cave described to have stalactites and stalagmites and all that kind of...
Micah: ...stuff in it?
Micah: So maybe that's what it is.
Mikey: Yeah. If you look - if you look a little bit forward, more towards the end of one minute eight seconds...
Micah: ...Andrew, and you come to the high angle looking down on Dumbledore...
Mikey: ...where it flip-flops, you can really see that there's like rocks and pebbles and other things, and I think the view we're looking at before, when it looks like ice and blocks and stuff like that - I think that's just because it's - it might even be like a grain color to accent the, you know, the - the locket pool, but what happens to the fire, it's just so bright and it looks like ice now.
Ben: I don't know, Mikey. That looks a lot like ice. I think I see...
Mikey: It does, but there's also - but if you look - see, I'm looking at the high-res version. If you look towards the center, about maybe an inch down...
Ben: Oh, sorry...
Mikey: ... [unintelligible] of Dumbledore...
Ben: I was looking at the low-res version.
Mikey: Of Dumbledore, you can see a green tint on the ground still, and when you flip it over to the other way, you definitely see darker colors - darker colors of the ground. And you can see, you know, the darker colors, and some of the stuff that looks like ice now looks has a pigment.
Ben: You're probably right. You're probably right.
Mikey: I'm sorry. I am - I went through and looked through this whole thing when I should've been working, and luckily no one can hear me through my door.
Andrew: You know...
Ben: The first person to report Mikey to his boss. Nevermind.
Andrew: You know, you can actually see Dumbledore's boat, I realize, now that I'm going back and forth through it at 1:08, where there's that high shot going down. If you look over his left shoulder, you can see something tall sticking up, and it's actually connected to the boat, which is kind of cool.
Elysa: You know what stuck out to me, honestly? And I actually just scrambled to find the page. What stuck out to me was the description in the book on page 576 in the American version, and it's talking about that scene and he says, "his wand was raised like a torch and from its tip emanated the flames, like a vast lasso, encircling them all with warmth." And when I saw that scene, I was just so incredibly excited that they had actually captured that.
Elysa: Like the lasso sort of movement. You see Dumbledore with his wand sort of circling around his head, and then, like, it's exactly like it describes in the book.
Andrew: Yeah. They really have. I just hope there's no, like, corny sound effects during this scene because, like, that was part - part of what ruined Order of the Phoenix for me at the end, just the stupid little noises they had inserted, but yeah, this just looks so - so good.
Elysa: It looks awesome.
Elysa: I love it.
Andrew: Still can't see Dumbledore's black - well, actually, that one shot you can see both hands, but neither of his hands look black. So I guess they haven't done that yet.
Micah: There are those two small clips, too, of him putting the ring on.
Andrew: Yeah! They're really quick. What else? I loved how there were the quick shots of Voldemort in between the shots of young Tom. It was just so well done, the presentation of this trailer. It was so...
Ben: That's probably why it took them so long.
Andrew: Yeah. Maybe.
Andrew: I mean, because what happens? They raise you up with this, you know, "I can see snakes" and then - or "I can talk to snakes," and then they just drop you with that BOOM, when he says something. I can't remember what he says, but - just really well done. Anything else you guys want to talk about with the initial thoughts about the trailer? Anything else? We're going to take calls after we go to break, but is there anything else you want to discuss?
Appealing to Both Readers and Non-Readers
Elysa: I just wanted to say that I think it did a really good job appealing to both the fans who have read the books and those who haven't, just because talking to a lot of my friends in Baltimore, who haven't read the books, they were saying that it was the first time they felt like they actually knew what was going on from the trailer.
Elysa: From watching, and you were saying with like the flashes of Voldemort's face, like overtop of young Tom Riddle, they were watching the trailer up until that point, and they were thinking well, who is this kid? And then at that moment, of course, it sunk in. So I feel like they did a really nice job of sort of appealing to those who just see the movies. At the same time, they obviously - with the, you know, fire scene and everything else - really appeasing the hardcore fans.
Really Good or Just Hype?
Ben: I just have a quick question for Andrew. Do you think that the trailer would have been this well received - do you think that the hype has something to do with how long they made us wait, or do you think it's really just that good?
Andrew: I think it's really just that good, just because of how they did this trailer, because it feels - I really think it feels a lot different than teaser trailers that they've released in the past. And after the trailer came out, I couldn't help but to feel a little depressed. Like all the anticipation was over, but then I watched it a couple more times and I was like yeah, this is sweet. I don't know...
Ben: Now we can't gripe about it anymore.
Andrew: Did you think it was...
Laura: Now we have nothing to whine about.
Andrew: Yeah, I know.
Elysa: [laughs] Yeah, really.
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