MuggleCast 159 Transcript



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Jim Dale: [as Professor McGonagall] This is Professor McGonagall welcoming you all to MuggleCast hoping you enjoyed - Dobby! Dobby, come here! Here! Dobby! [as Dobby] Yes, I'd just like to say how very pleased I am to introduce MuggleCast to all of you! Thank you! Thank you!

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Micah: Because to hang Voldemort, or not hang Voldemort, that is the question, this is MuggleCast Episode 159 for October 7th, 2008.

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Andrew: All right, it's time for another fascinating installment of MuggleCast this week. Welcome back, everyone. Thank you for still sticking with us, even though we all gave up on you and decided to not do the show weekly anymore.

Matt: That's true.

Laura: Wow, that's...

Andrew: We are your Harry Potter friends, and we're back with - we're changing up the episodes this week. We're getting back to something we haven't done in a while, a long while, and that is book discussions. It's something that a lot of people have asked us to get back to, because let's face it, we've been talking a lot about the movies. Micah's been complaining a lot about movie pictures.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: And it's just time to get back to some book stuff. So that's what we have this week, and that's going to be our goal through the next, you know - through MuggleCast going onward.

Matt: Ah. Makes sense.

Andrew: Yeah. Okay, so we've got a lot to get to this week, so we'll jump right into it. I'm Andrew Sims.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull.

Matt: And I'm Matthew Britton.

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Andrew: All right, Micah, what is in the news this week?

Micah: Well, where do you want me to start, Andrew? There's a lot of stuff, and we have...

Andrew: Start at the top!

Micah: The top?

Andrew: Number one!

Micah: Number one?

[Laura laughs]

Matt: And work your way down.

[Everyone laughs]



News: Scholastic's Cover Event


Micah: Thank you. One of the big events that took place during the last couple of weeks was Scholastic held a Cover to Cover event for the release of the tenth anniversary edition of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, even though it seemed to be leaked out before that. And from what I read and the pictures I saw, it seemed that everybody who went had a good time. They got to sit on the throne, they got to read from the book, and the throne, of course, was the one that J.K. Rowling used at Carnegie Hall back a year ago now, I guess. Or almost a year ago.

Laura: Oh, man.

Micah: Can you believe it was that long ago?

Andrew: Over a year ago.

Laura: Oh, God. I can't believe that.

Andrew: Oh, it was a year ago. Yeah. Yeah, it was a year ago this time we were all summoned to New York City. That was a fun trip.

Matt: It really was.

Micah: It was.

Matt: Was I there?

Micah: Yeah, you were.

Laura: Yeah, you were there.

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: Oh, I was there! I actually was there.

Micah: But I did go and purchase this tenth anniversary edition, and I know we talked about this on the last show when we had all that leaked information about what was in this book, and there really isn't a whole lot of anything. I mean, it's the cover, and it's that drawing of Snape and that's about it. Which is - I don't know. Is that pretty pathetic for an anniversary edition of a book?

Andrew: I was really surprised that's all it had. Because, like you said, the book leaked out really - well, not - it wasn't leaked. Technically, they didn't have to put it on - they didn't have to wait until September 23rd. And, you know, if I'm a bookstore, I would put it out there as soon as I got it. But, yeah, I thought the book was really disappointing because they were sort of hyping it up. They were saying it was going to have this exclusive bonus material from J.K Rowling. And it did, but it was just a picture of Snape and it's sort of like, eh.

Matt: It did look like Mary GrandPre's version of him too.

Andrew: Yeah. I almost thought I'd seen that before.

Matt: Yeah. It looked very familiar looking.

Micah: You ended up with more from Mary GrandPre than you did from J.K. Rowling, because in the book there's also, in the first couple of pages, another drawing by Mary GrandPre with Hagrid and him taking all the first years across to Hogwarts in the boats. And I had never seen that before in the original Sorcerer's Stone, and it was a colored drawing. Overall, not enough in my opinion.

Eric: I think you guys are probably correct, or Micah, that it was possibly mis-marketed, meaning that you get more from Mary GrandPre than you do by J.K. Rowling. That's an interesting observation. I do - I haven't bought the book yet, because I haven't been in a bookstore and seen it, but I did see it when the cover was shown to us, and I think it's a cool cover and...

Andrew: Yeah, it's very cool.

Eric: ...whatever they have inside is going to be - yeah, going to be cool. I mean, it's not a deluxe edition by way of, you know, it's not going to be more expensive. I mean, clearly it's something to mark the date...

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: ...and the occasion. And the thing about not having too many different special features inside is that it does still have to serve its purpose as a book. You know, it still has to function as a book that people read...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: ...as opposed to what they collect. Maybe this will be what they read and people will start collecting the old versions once they start replacing the whole lot. Not that they're going to replace them.

Andrew: I hope they don't.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. It'll still be - it's an interesting alternate version of the book, and the U.S. doesn't have enough of that. You know, the U.K. already has adult or child.

Andrew: But anyway, getting back to this Cover to Cover event itself, I thought this was a really cool event. And I watched the stream because they were streaming it live online for most of the day, and it was really cool just seeing all these people come in and read the books, and everyone - as I tweeted on Twitter, I thought it was cool seeing what every - each person was going to be wearing as they walked up and sat in the chair. And then also, the first, I think it was 100 people, got a free copy of the book, so it was a good deal.

Micah: Very good deal. So...

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: ...if you were able to make it out there, write in and let us know how it went, because I didn't go down there.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I had work and all that fun stuff so I wasn't able to go down there, but it seemed like it was a very successful event.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: A couple of our friends were there, too.

Andrew: Mhm. So - and then at the end they even hinted that there may be another. They said, "We'll see you next time for Chamber of Secrets," and I was like "Whoa!"

Matt: Do you think they'll do it in New York? I kind of want them to just go around...

Andrew: They will do it in New York.

Matt: ...the country or something.

Andrew: They did it at Scholastic headquarters, so I think they'll keep it there.

Matt: Oh. And Scholastic only has one headquarter?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: That's why it's called the headquarters. That's the one place. [laughs]

Matt: Oh, you'd think like quarters would be four different places, because quarters - you know.

Andrew: Four heads?

Matt: No?

Andrew: Right. Okay.

Matt: No? Okay.

Andrew: No.

Micah: Good try.

Matt: [sighs] Sorry.

Andrew: Well, what else is going on, Micah?



News: Deathly Hallows Paperback to be Released Next July


Micah: Well, speaking of books, Deathly Hallows, the paperback, is going to be released next July.

Andrew: What?

Micah: Yeah. Isn't that a a long time?

Laura: Isn't that really late?

Andrew: It is late. U.K. - the U.K. already has their paperback. Where's ours? It just seems weird that, you know...

Laura: It is very bizarre.

Andrew: ...there's that long of a delay. And one could argue, "Oh, well, they want to time it with the movie."

Matt: One could argue that.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Yeah, that's probably a pretty good argument to make, actually. I think that that's probably why they're doing it, because I was listening to one of our shows on the train this past week, and we were actually discussing something related to the hardcover edition and we said, "Oh, well, this paperback is probably coming out in July, so that's why they're doing this." I don't know if they were moving the hardcover editions off the shelves at a pretty fast rate at some bookstores. I think that was the story. I forget exactly what it was. I know Laura had brought it up, but - and then we kind of surmised, "Hey, maybe it's because this paperback edition's going to be out in July," and then of course...

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: ...it's not coming out for another - about a year or so from today, so...

Eric: Yeah, guys, it says on Amazon.co.uk - yeah, paperback version July 10, 2008.

Andrew: Yeah, it's weird. It's like I just said that.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Matt: Yeah, but why haven't we heard about that? I mean...

Andrew: No, we did.

Matt: I would've just paid for a paperback version of it than the hardcover.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: I don't know. I mean, hardcover - there is something about the hardcover version...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: ...and it is stronger. It lasts longer. I mean, all my paperbacks - paperback books are pretty much falling apart now, and I haven't read them near as much as everyone else has. But I remember that the Goblet of Fire paperback - if I am remembering correctly - I think that I got the Goblet of Fire paperback one of the few days it came out, which - or one of the first days it came out, which could have been July 2002. Could have been out sooner. I could be completely mistaken, but if that's the case it would be two years after release date, which would be similar to the time delay we're seeing here with Deathly Hallows in the United States. I think it's incredibly weird, though, that the paperback is out in the U.K., and not here for another year.

Andrew: Maybe Scholastic figures, well, you know, with hardbacks, you can make more. I'm not saying that's what Scholastic is figuring, but that could - I mean, I imagine that they're making a bigger profit off of the hardbacks.

Laura: No, it wouldn't be about money at all. I mean...

[Micah laughs]

Laura: ...why would you think that?

Eric: Maybe Britain represents the future. You know? I mean, they're already five hours, six hours in the future.

Andrew: Well, yeah, but the other - with all the other paperbacks, we waited a year just like the U.K., so...

Eric: Maybe they'll release Movie 6 out before there than they do here.

Andrew: Maybe they were thinking about skipping paperback and just going straight to anniversary edition.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Maybe.

Andrew: Two year anniversary edition.

Matt: Oh my gosh. Two years could be...

Micah: Well, that could be...

Andrew: Including a new sketch from Jo.

Micah: No actually, Andrew, you might be right, though. Anniversary editions. Maybe they didn't want the two to sort of compete with each other.

Andrew: Oh, yes. That's what I - that's exactly what I meant.

Eric: No.

Andrew: That's exactly what I meant, of course.

Eric: They're not going to do a two year anniversary edition.

Micah: No, no. [laughs]

Eric: They're going to wait ten years.

Andrew: No, no, no.

Micah: The Sorcerer's Stone anniversary edition...

Laura: No, Eric, they are.

Micah: ...they didn't want the Deathly Hallows paperback to compete...

Andrew: To compete.

Micah: ...with the Sorcerer's Stone 10th Anniversary edition.

Matt: And Beedle the Bard's coming out, too.

Eric: Oh, that makes sense. More sense, anyway.

Andrew: That's valid, yes.

Micah: We've solved it.

Andrew: That's exactly what I meant. Thank you for rephrasing it, Micah.

Matt: Yes.

Andrew: But just for the record, I had that idea.

Micah: Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Matt: I think we all have the same general idea. We just said it differently, Andrew.

Micah: Yeah, I was just interpreting what Andrew was trying to say.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: Thank you. And what else is going on?



News: David Heyman Talks Half-Blood Prince


Micah: [laughs] Well, how about you talk about this one a little bit more, because I think you know more about it. David Heyman...

Andrew: David Heyman talks Half-Blood Prince! So here's what happened, and I've got a little side story about this too. So David Heyman's got a new movie out he's producing, and he's promoting it, and the film production company had a good idea. Talk to - get the fansites, let them ask questions about Harry Potter, and then they can post about the movie on their sites. That's a good idea.

Matt: Yeah, why not?

Andrew: So our own Jamie's in touch - was in touch with the David Heyman people, and he was supposed to submit questions about Half-Blood Prince that we would post on the site once we got the answers back. Well, now Jamie claims that it wasn't his fault, but all the other fansites had these interviews with David Heyman, and Jamie was in touch with them, and for some reason, Jamie did not get the questions in. So something tells me it was Jamie's fault. He says it's not, but anyway. David Heyman did talk about Half-Blood Prince and revealed some interesting things.

Eric: And MuggleNet did not have coverage...

Andrew: No. Yes, we did.

Eric: ...except to say that everyone else had coverage.

Andrew: Yeah, we linked to them.

Eric: Yeah. We had coverage to say that everyone - but we did not have our own original question.

Andrew: Right. Exactly. But honestly, a couple of these questions kind of overlapped each other anyway, so...

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: ...we're just going to take two. Snitch Seeker asked them - asked David Heyman, "As you know, Half-Blood Prince screenings were recently held in Chicago, which has given fans an idea what to expect come July 2009. Many were shocked to see the omission of the battle at Hogwarts and Dumbledore's funeral. Can you explain why these scenes were left out?" Very good question. David responds, "The reason why we left out the battle of Hogwarts is because we have a battle at Hogwarts in the seventh film, and we are avoiding repetition. Dumbledore's funeral was something that I really loved and is a fantastic part of the book, and part of me would have loved it in the film. But we decided that while we loved it, that what we came up with was the right ending for the film that we had made." So he's admitting here that there is no battle of Hogwarts and there's no Dumbledore's funeral, which is kind of crazy to even say.

Laura: That really bothers me.

Micah: He's really behind the times, though, because I think Eric said that on last week's show. Or...

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Micah: ...a couple of shows.

Andrew: Well, no no...

Micah: Weeks ago.

Andrew: Yeah. Yes. Eric did tell us this when he was lucky enough to see the screening. By the way, Eric, did you catch anymore movies that are coming out in like ten years?

Eric: You know, actually, yes, but you wouldn't understand.

Matt: Oh.

Eric: I'd have to - yeah. Give it a few years. I'll tell you when you're older.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay.

Eric: And then I'll - you know.

Andrew: So, I'm not really totally cool with this reason - there's no battle of Hogwarts because there's another battle in Movie 7, because think about all the other movies. Think about Lord of the Rings. You know, there's a big battle. Think about all the Harry Potters. There's always some big sort of battle. Maybe it's not so generic like the battle of Hogwarts, but saying that - I mean, do battles not translate well from one movie to another? Because it translates fine from one book to another.

Micah: Well...

Laura: No, I...

Micah: ...it probably costs a lot of money, too.

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: Yeah, that's what I think it is.

Eric: Well, and not just to jump quickly to that, I think that my review on MuggleNet reflects my happiness with their treatment of the whole story of Book 6, and I think by making that decision to not do - let's just say the Battle of Hogwarts for right now - choosing not to do that big battle of Hogwarts, they didn't have to make the whole movie sort of lean towards - to build up to this crazy Battle of Hogwarts. Instead, they've made the cave scene really sort of the climax...

Andrew: Hmm.

Eric: ...and Dumbledore's death itself has been a climax. And there's no real distraction from that, that they're able to jump right into the emotion of everything without this Battle of Hogwarts, which, let's face it, who died in that? I mean, Bill got his face kind of scratched pretty badly, but nothing really productive happened as far as the plot. It's essential to the book. It makes sense in the book, and in the movie they didn't do it. But at the same time, I thought they were able to spend that time that would have been taken up by some big battle at Hogwarts, in which no one dies, to spend more time on the plot of Book 6 and get some more of that stuff in there. In the movie.

Andrew: That make sense. Because as long as the cave scene's the climax, that makes sense to me. Because when I think Half-Blood Prince, I think about the cave scene.

Eric: You don't think about the Hogwarts sort of...

Andrew: No. But, Laura, what's your issue with it? Initially, when I read this, you sort of grunted in a way.

Laura: It - well...

Andrew: Maybe not grunted, but...

Laura: I mean, I'm honestly more annoyed about the fact that they leave Dumbledore's funeral out. I mean - I don't know...

Andrew: There's not a second one of those. [laughs]

Laura: Right, you don't get another one of those.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: So it's just...

Andrew: You only get one death.

Laura: Right.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: He can't come back and die again so that we can have a funeral in the next movie.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: I think it's a legitimate...

Matt: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: Yeah. But did they - I don't know if they filmed part of it, too, because I heard a quote from Natalia Tena from the - from one of the Comic-Cons. One of the fans sent in a report that said that she had expressed her disappointment that the - it said that she expressed her disappointment that the Dumbledore's funeral scene was cut. I guess that means that it was cut from the script and not actually partially filmed or anything.

Andrew: Yeah, it's...

Eric: But logistically...

Andrew: ...not in there at all.

Eric: This is what I said before. Logistically, getting all those actors, even many of the characters we haven't even seen before...

Micah: Well...

Eric: It could just be extras, but I think it's - Dolores Umbridge, for instance, will have - Imelda Staunton will have a lot more to do in Movie 7.

Micah: Yeah. And what's the cost associated with bringing back those actors and actresses just for that one scene? I mean, you have to imagine that there's going to be a lot of people that would have to be involved in that, and they'd have to start paying salaries to those people just to show up for that one spot.

Laura: Yeah, but you don't have to bring all those people back, though. The whole thing is about Dumbledore's funeral. It's not about who's there for it. So you get a bunch of extras, you get all the students, and you have the professors. I think that's...

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: ...perfectly adequate.

Andrew: I agree.

Eric: Well, if that's true, they have the students and the professors. There's no need for...

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: ...anything different than what they actually ended up doing in the movie.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Really? Well, I guess we can't really say more without...

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: ...spoilers.

Micah: But, Eric, I have one more question for you, though, about this Battle at Hogwarts. You said that them cutting it out seemed to work well with the movie, but did they also leave out sort of the after effects of Dumbledore's death, where Harry is running after Snape? Because I thought that is a crucial part...

Andrew: Ooh.

Micah: ...leading into Book 7.

Eric: I'll take the broader question on that...

[Micah laughs]

Eric: ...so as not to spoil everyone. The after effects of Dumbledore's death are not in any way skipped over. It's still very important to the film and important to the ending.

Matt: Oh good.

Andrew: Good. That's good to hear.

Matt: We're not going to see another scene where just Harry just starts screaming, "He was your friend!"

[Laura laughs]

Eric: You - no, what movie's that from?

Laura: The third one.

Matt: The third one, Prisoner of Azkaban.

Eric: That's right, that's right, that's right.

Andrew: All right, well, there was more to be said by David Heyman. HPANA, the Harry Potter Automatic News Aggregator, asked him, "How are the screenplays by Steve Kloves coming along for Book 7 - Movie 7?"

Matt: Mmm.

Andrew: Heyman said, "They will be very faithful to the book. One of the pleasures of having the time to make two films means we will be able to go into more detail than we might otherwise have been able to do. If we had only done one film, we were concerned that we might have to remove the Deathly Hallows."

Laura: What?!

Andrew: "We never went that far, but that would have been something that might have had to come out, which would have been terrible. The script is coming along well. I have read the first half of the adaptation. I have not read the second half. That should be coming in the next few weeks." So it seems like they already know where the split is, that means.

Laura: Mhm. Yeah.

Matt: Cool. Cool, cool.

Micah: It bothers me, though...

Laura: Wait...

Micah: [laughs] ...that they would even consider leaving out...

Laura: Consider - yeah.

Micah: ...the Deathly Hallows. That's the name of the movie.

Andrew: That's so wrong!

Micah: I mean...

Andrew: Yeah, they'd have to rename it.

Laura: Harry Potter and...

Matt: Harry Potter and the Last Book.

Andrew: Harry Potter and Voldemort.

Laura: Do you think they would have renamed the movie?

Andrew: Well, wouldn't they sort of have to if they cut out that whole plot?

Matt: They would have to if they cut out - yeah.

Eric: Well, I think what he means too, is a lot of the backstory too, and think of all the creative things they'll be able to do with the tale - maybe even the Tales of Beedle the Bard, getting that - getting the story put to film, "The Three Brothers."

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Who knows if they'll do that? I mean - you know. So, they could have gone into elaboration. They might have the Hallows but not be able to explain it.

Andrew: Harry Potter and the Quest for the Horcruxes.

Eric: Well, it's like having the Marauder's Map and not learning who the Marauders are.

Andrew: Right, yeah. Or Sorcerer's Stone not having the Sorcerer's Stone in the plot. It just doesn't make sense.

Micah: Yeah, and it...

Eric: No, I mean in the movie we didn't learn who the Marauders were.

Micah: His statement here though, is...

Laura: Yeah, but the movie wasn't called Harry Potter and the Marauder's Map.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: Oh, okay. Still a plot-hole.

Laura: No, it is. It's not as significant.

Matt: Well, if you want to go with plot-holes, we'll be here all day with the movies.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Oh, it's true. It's true. Right.

Micah: And his statement here is the complete opposite of what he answers with the other question that we just looked at earlier. He's saying here, "Hey..."

Andrew: "It'd be terrible to cut stuff out"?

Micah: Yeah, exactly. We - this is basically him saying, "We've screwed up so much in the first six films that we have to go ahead and make sure we cram everything in these last two, because if we don't..." But then, yet, you look at the fact that he goes out and leaves the Battle at Hogwarts at the end of Half-Blood Prince out. He leaves out...

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: ...Dumbledore's funeral, and yet in the next question he's talking about having to put as much in as possible. You know, it - which one is it? I mean, do you really care that much?

Matt: Well, what are your guys' opinions?

Eric: Well, a lot of stuff separately happens in Book 7 that doesn't necessarily make complete sense telling a linear story. A lot of stuff happens for a lot of separate different reasons. Sure, Harry is hunting down the Horcruxes, but all the separate scenes in that movie - I can't imagine what it would be like cramming that all into one film, showing them here at this location and here at that location.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: The movie would've been a mess!

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It would have been an utter mess. There's a lot of stuff - guys, I should tell you now, what I did just today and yesterday, I reread the last seven or so chapters of Book 7. I loved it the second time around, by the way, guys, but I wanted to say that just reading the Battle of Hogwarts scene, it goes on forever, and that alone could be a two and a half hour movie. I would want it to be, and thinking of all the renegade plots, all the things that the trio goes through before they get back to Hogwarts, which is essentially where we left off - where I picked the book back up again, that's a lot of stuff, and...

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: Yeah. So David Heyman is saying that he is - that they're going to have to be totally faithful, is - may not even mean that they have to get all the dialogue right and all of everything else right. They just mean they have to show what's actually happening in the book.

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: Because of all the - because of the time freedom.

Matt: Well, they also probably - David Heyman is probably also meaning with "we have to be very faithful to the book" is that if they cut one - the scenes in the book are so crucial for the whole plot-line for the entire book. If they cut like one thing in the movie they're going to have to cut a few other things that which will have to cut more things, because one scene leads to this or that, and then the next scene will lead to something else. It's just - you can't just cut one thing because then you're cutting other plot twists and turns in the book as well.

Micah: Yeah, and not only that, you're having to cram in whatever you left out in the previous six films. Like the fact that in Movie 5, they couldn't take two minutes to put in something about the locket, or in Movie 6 they couldn't put anything about the diadem that Harry had seen when he was in the Room of Requirement. So by not even alluding to those things in the last two films now, you have to go back and explain to the audience how Harry could possibly have any clue what those items are and where they are. And that's a huge thing to undertake.

Andrew: Yeah, that's true. All right.

Eric: It's very true.

Andrew: Let's move it along. What else is going on, Micah?

Micah: Oh, we're still on news? It's like the other episode where...

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Laura: It won't end!

Micah: ...45 minutes later we're going to come back to - we're still going to be doing the news.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]



News: Even More Movie 6 Pictures


Micah: Oh, well, Christmas came earlier for me, and it just keeps coming every day of the week. And it's great. All these pictures from Half-Blood Prince. I can't get enough of them.

Andrew: It's about quitting time now. I've had my fair share.

Micah: I mean, they - how many different calendars can you make here? It's beyond belief.

Eric: Well, what do you guys mean? What do you mean, Micah?

Andrew: There's a slew of calendars coming out, and I have to say, WB must be kicking themselves for all these, because I'm sure if they would have preferred all this stuff comes out next year, but now we're getting all these pictures and stuff way early before the film comes out. I mean, here we are a month and a half before when it was supposed to come out, if - when in reality these are coming out, what, eight months ahead of time? If these pictures were coming out in March, WB would have had a fit! If these pictures were coming out eight months before the November release, they would have had a fit. So we saw nothing in March. We saw, I think - I think in March we had that one single picture of Harry holding the Half-Blood Prince book. Actually, no.

Matt: God, that seems so long ago.

Andrew: I think that one came out in January. But yeah, it just - you know. So I'm sure they're really annoyed by all this. [laughs]

Matt: I think March was when we saw the trio at the fireplace, when Ron was holding walnuts or something?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. So...

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: It's just a lot now, so I think it'll...

Micah: It's just beyond at this point. There's...

Andrew: It's got to come to an end.

Micah: ...no reason to keep releasing these. I think a lot of people are just fed up, because if you're going to do anything from this point forward...

Andrew: Well, I don't think anyone's fed up.

Micah: ...just release another trailer of some sort.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I think that would be more worthwhile.

Eric: I don't think they can control it, because they've licensed all these other companies to produce all these other calendars and things internationally, and all that was set for that schedule, to be released in November. It's just like the game, the video game, you know. Everyone was pushing for it. So these calendars are produced. I wouldn't be surprised if they were already even mass produced, that they have a bunch of them that now cannot be sold. So it's kind of impossible for them to stifle the images that are going to come from people who see these calendars...

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: ...and want to scan them for us, you know. It's not WB releasing these images so early, it's all these people who have access to these unreleased calendars.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: Right.

Andrew: And that's why WB hates it so much, because they really have no control over it.

Matt: So everything is all delayed and stuff. Yeah.

Andrew: They're out now.

Matt: [gasps] Is the yarn delayed as well?

Andrew: No, I think the yarn's been printed. We're safe on that.

Micah: Well, if you were one of these companies wouldn't you be pissed off too? That you have to wait on this product now for another eight months, or...

Andrew: Who's waiting though? Who's waiting though? I mean, just EA is.

Micah: Well, they're not going to sell these calendars before the release date.

Andrew: Yes they are.

Micah: They are?

Andrew: They're coming into the hands of people, yeah!

Micah: Oh, okay.

Andrew: Yeah, they're already - they're going out. They're going out, baby!

Matt: Bring it!

Andrew: Out like a dog.

Matt: Bring it.

Micah: That's going hurt them come release date too, though, don't you think?

Andrew: Yeah, but...

Micah: I mean, they're not going to be able to sell as much because all the stuff's going to be out already.

Andrew: But I think they prefer the holiday season market over the summer.

Matt: Yeah. That's going to be kind of weird, though. I mean, has all, like - has, like, the Goblet of Fire calendar - was that released during the year that Goblet of Fire was released?

Andrew: It's usually like a 16 month calendar where you get half the year in.

Matt: Oh. Well, we're going to get the entire year that it's out.

Eric: Yeah. Well, they'll just make a 2010 calendar then.

Matt: Yeah. a 2009-2010 calendar.

Andrew: [laughs] Just rearrange the pictures. Yeah, I'm looking - the wall calendar was released October 1, the desk calendar, according to Amazon, it's not out yet. But the wall calendar is and so is the day-to-day calendar. So...

Eric: You know, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world to have a day-to-day calendar that you can peel back...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: ...and it has a slightly new image of a movie you haven't seen yet.

Andrew: Yeah. No, it's cool.

Eric: I mean it's kind of cool.

Andrew: The mini wall calendar came out in September, the poster book's coming out in November, so I think we still have - actually no, we already saw pictures from the poster book, so. It's just a slew of Half-Blood Prince for the holidays. Okay. And what else, Micah?



News: Film Printing Press Replica of Actual 100-Year-Old Press


Micah: Well, the Daily Record reported back on Tuesday that a 100-year-old printing press is being replicated by Deathly Hallows film producers for one of the scenes.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Oh right.

Micah: And the owner of this printing press, David Phillips, was pleasantly surprised when he was invited to Leavesden Studios to help the producers come up with a design. And he's got no idea what it's going to be used for, but I guess some of us can offer our thoughts.

Andrew: Yeah, I think this is pretty cool that they're actually putting this much effort into a printing press. It almost makes you think that they're going to have a lot of focus on this scene.

Eric: Mm. Yeah, like possibly. This scene - well, what is that scene in the book? The Xenophilius Lovegood scene is what we speculate. We speculate that it's going to be The Quibbler's printing press.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Eric: So that scene would only further - well, first of all, it goes to support that's where we find out about the "Tale of the Three Brothers."

Andrew: Right. Right. Yeah.

Eric: But also, possibly a subplot...

Andrew: I mean, there's going to be a lot with this.

Eric: Yeah. And also, possibly the subplot that they're taking - you know, that they took Luna and are blackmailing Xenophilius Lovegood. So two good things, two good big subplots come out of that scene that we now think that they might be paying a lot of attention to.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: I mean, they basically - I bet someone writing the thing, or the producers, had to say, well, who's the - who owns a 100 year old printing press? You know, who's the guy to talk to? And they called this guy up who's never really heard about them, and never been associated with them before. He just happens to have this old printing press. They call him in on a consulting basis. It just shows the effort that they're putting into this.

Matt: Yeah. Well, it's a big scene. I mean, it's the scene that we find out why the story's called The Deathly Hallows.

Andrew: Let's do a little math here, too. If they already are getting this printing press design, you would assume that's for the first script if the second script isn't ready yet. So that means...

Eric: That movie's in pre-production. I mean - or something.

Andrew: Yeah, but, you know, you still - you would cut stuff out of the - you wouldn't do this until after you have the final script, I would think. Maybe?

Eric: Unless you know that this will be made into all copies of the script, to show the printing press. Things like props.

Andrew: Yeah, I guess it's important, yeah. But anyway, if we could assume that they're doing this just because of that, just because it's in the first script and the first script is ready to go...

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: ...then we're looking at - it's going past "The Silver Doe," which some speculated that might be where it cuts off.

Eric: Mmm. Interesting.

Andrew: So, just something to think about there. Eric, you could be right, though. Go ahead, Micah.

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