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Andrew's Disclaimer

Andrew: Hey everyone, this is Andrew, and as you all know by now, the Half-Blood Prince international trailer leaked online this morning, Sunday, October 26th. And so we did a live show, and it went great. The only problem was, we lost - well, we didn't lose - but I had audio problems. I stupidly put the output into the input and vice versa on the computer that was streaming the stream, so we were having these weird audio problems. But the show did turn out okay, other than it being really low, and that was the problem. That was why it was all messed up, because two wires were crisscrossed the wrong way. So I'm a complete idiot; I admit it. Anyway, so the first couple minutes of the show did not turn out because of how I stupidly set it up - accidentally set it up. The music was too loud... [laughs] ...over our voices. And so we're going to cut into the show just a minute or two in. You didn't really miss anything in the beginning. It's just us introducing the co-hosts, and that's all. But I am going to play the intro music and all that to pretend like nothing ever happened. Although I just spoiled it for you now. Anyway, so that's why there will be a cut into the show. I've talked long enough, so enjoy.

Show Intro

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Special Effects

Eric: No, I'm talking about special effects. One of you guys talking about special effects in this trailer being weird.

Laura: You know, the ones that look like they were made in iMovie.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Andrew: Well, no, there's one that really stood out. I don't know if Laura said it specifically, but it was the one where McGonagall is sending the lightning bolt up into the air.

Eric: I see.

Andrew: That's the one, right?

Laura: Yeah, it looked really bad.

Andrew: Yeah. It was weird. So, yeah, that was - that was strange.

Eric: I see. Is there any others that stick out as being...

Matt: What is so bad about it? It looks like a lightning bolt.

Eric: And, I mean, I'm looking at this trailer, and I'm seeing Slughorn pulling out his memory, I'm seeing Harry getting covered by Draco with the Invisibility Cloak, all those other crazy stuff that's really cool, like - even the waves, because, remember, I saw this movie when the effects weren't anywhere near completed, and the opening cave scene in this international trailer is definitely very, very beautiful, and you guys might not realize, but that's CGI. That's pretty much all CGI, so...

Matt: Really?

Eric: Yeah. I have to say that...

Matt: It's not real?

Eric: looks great to me.

Matt: Oh, my God. I thought it was all real. I thought it was real magic.

Eric: The front - I would say the closer you get to the cave, the more it's actually CGI, because it was completely blue-ed out, or green-ed out, [unintelligible] of the film, so I guess maybe I'm bias, but I've seen what they look like uncompleted, that I'm all happy. But Dumbledore battling the fire. You guys want to bitch about that at all?

Andrew: No. That was fine.

Laura: We're not sitting here saying that every effect in the trailer was terrible. We're saying there was specific ones that look unfinished. Particularly the lightning one.

Matt: Well, everything...

Laura: I don't know, I even thought that the whole bit where Slughorn was pulling the memory out, I even thought that looked a little weird. Not that it's going to be a bad effect when the movie comes out, but I'm saying that I think this trailer wasn't completed.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Before it was leaked.

Andrew: Micah, and lastly we'll get to you, what about your thoughts?

Micah: Well, I didn't even notice the special effects stuff, to be honest with you. I don't usually pick up on that.

Andrew: Were you just checking out Hermione or something?

The "Chosen One" Scene

Micah: Yeah. Actually, more Lavender Brown, but that's besides the point right now. The one thing I will say, though, and I'm sure we'll talk about this a little bit later on, because it's at the very end of the trailer - I felt that the end of the trailer had absolutely no connection to the rest of the stuff that was going on before it. And it was just a really weird moment to include. It was - it's kind of an attempt at humor, but the whole trailer leading up to that had nothing to do with humor at all, so that's just my initial thought on it.

Andrew: Well, here's the thing. Here's why I think that the the effects suck. This trailer - well, okay, maybe that's a little harsh, you don't suck. But why - first of all, that one cheesy lightning bolt effect, but also the end where it says it's coming this year.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: This trailer must have been made months ago. It must have been sitting around WB for months. And somebody...

Eric: It's very mysterious.

Andrew: Somebody who had a hold of it, maybe somebody within WB, said - I mean, look at the amount of news lately in the Harry Potter fandom. There's nothing. This has seriously been the slowest news period ever. So they - somebody leaks this to put a little, you know, spark into the fandom. Because it's been dead! There's been nothing going on. Don't you guys agree?

Micah: Oh, I don't agree with that. We have our Ministry of Magic election. [laughs]

Andrew: Well, that - that's very exciting, but...

Micah: No, I know what you mean. I know what you mean.

Andrew: Yeah. So that's - that's what I think.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: What other - Micah, you said you took some notes. What else do you want to talk about related to this?

Micah: Well, I guess we could start at the end, actually, because I still think it - maybe it has to do with the fact that it's been sitting around WB for so long, perhaps, but I just didn't feel like that scene at the end with Hermione and Harry and, Eric, you can maybe clue us in to whether this is actually in the real film, but it was, to me, almost like that moment that - and, Laura, I think this is you who always brings this up, but in Goblet of Fire when he walks into the tent and he says, "I love magic." And for him to be calling himself the Chosen One in kind of a joking way, I just feel like it is one of those lines they just felt they had to throw in there but really does nothing overall to, I guess, advance the plot. I don't know.

Eric: Yeah. I mean, I think it's very interesting that you felt that this scene - well, not interesting but it's cool that you felt that this scene was so out of place in comparison with the rest of the trailer. That's a good remark that I appreciate and respect. It's very - it's, you know - you're kind of right there, because they even got the voice over guy in on this trailer.

Andrew: He was really in on this trailer. [laughs]

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: [laughs] I don't recall them doing that in previous trailers with the voice over guy, so that's really interesting. Even with that and then to have this scene at the end. But as for the scene itself, I think it - I was thinking about it in the hour we had to prep for this show, and I think that it's moments like that, especially in this movie, are not only okay but important. Because the humor moments, there are more of them, like more - not more "I love magic" moments, because that has a very negative connotation, but there is a relationship - the whole thing is about this girl liking Harry and Harry, you know, starting to clue in on that kind of stuff. And it is a pretty big plot of the book to have the relationships and the romance, and it did kind of get snuck into the end of this trailer alone, which is kind of something I appreciate, but at the same time Micah was right, that it seems out of place. Now, just finally here, the - Harry is accepting his role as the Chosen One, which is what I like about that statement, which is in the movie - that I saw is in the movie, and it was just a moment where it kind of replaces those paragraphs in the book where it's like, "Harry knew what must be done," this and that, this and that, angst, death, he must sacrifice himself, etc. He is speaking with Hermione and Hermione alone. He wouldn't go around Hogwarts, surely, shouting out, "I am the Chosen One!" He's just with Hermione and says, "Well, but I am the chosen one." And she slaps him on the head. It's funny. There was a lot of slapstick in this movie I think, but we'll get into that later.

Andrew: Yeah. I was - that was really the first time that you see Harry be like, "Yeah, I'm the Chosen One. What's up? What are you going to do about it?"

Matt: Mhm. I'm going to slap you in the face.

Andrew: Yeah, I really liked that. I thought that was pretty funny.

Matt: Yeah. That was our first time we got to see Romilda Vane.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Matt: Is that who you guys really thought Romilda Vane looked like? Because I thought - I mean, the actress who plays Romilda Vane, she looks - she looks pretty attractive.

Andrew: I never wasted my time trying to picture what she looks like.

Eric: You mean Romilda or Lavender?

Matt: Well, I mean - you mean you never wasted your time picturing the characters you're reading?

Andrew: Oh yeah, Lavender. Don't you mean Lavender?

Matt: No, Romilda Vane. The one he's looking at when he says, "I'm the Chosen One."

Andrew: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, that's not Lavender, Eric.

Eric: Oh! Oh, right.

Laura: She plays such a minimal role anyway. Like, I never really ...

Matt: Well, she sort of...

Laura: ...put much thought into what she looked like.

Matt: ...poisons Ron, so to speak.

Eric: Oh, I don't think that's Romilda Vane.

Laura: Eh.

Matt: You don't think so?

Eric: I actually - I actually don't. I remember...

Matt: I could have thought I saw a picture of her...

Andrew: It's not Lavender.

Matt: I didn't say Lavender.

Andrew: I know, I'm talking to Eric.

Matt: Oh.

Eric: No.

Matt: That's not - it's definitely not Lavender.

Eric: It's not Lavender, but I don't think it's Romilda Vane either. I think that was sort of an offhand, pretty, secure girl for this scene. I don't think it was actually Romilda Vane, because Romilda Vane shows up at some other point. Not in the trailer. But yeah, I don't know. I don't think that's her. But she's very pretty.

Andrew: Now, Matt, what do you think Hermione slapping him was?

Matt: I think it was the Marauders Map.

Andrew: I'm looking at that now. I mean, why do you think that? It's not like...

Matt: Because it's the shape of it.

Andrew: So? Anyone can fold a paper into thirds and be like, "Here's my Marauders Map." I don't think it is.

Matt: Fine. You know what? Just - fine. You didn't even ask me, you just wanted to...

Laura: And they would say it just like that too.

Matt: You just wanted to - yeah.

Andrew: I just wanted to anger - say you're wrong.

Matt: Discredit me in front of all the people listening?

Andrew: Yes, exactly.

Matt: Yeah. Shut up.

Dumbledore's Character

Andrew: Vol - we also see more of Dumbledore talking in here, and he's saying "I got to ask too much of you again," and he still has a different tone for me in this movie. Because we talked about this a lot about this with the first teaser trailer. We were saying how - I was saying how he was - something about Dumbledore. He's just a little extra spark in his - in the tone of his voice. Does any one else agree with that?

Matt: No.

Andrew: Oh.

Matt: I wasn't really listening to you.

Laura: No.

Kevin: No, I don't really...

Eric: Sorry, what, Andrew?

Andrew: I was saying that Volde - or Dumbledore seems to have a little extra spark in his - in his tone when he's talking. It just - it just feels different from past Potter films.

Matt: Hmm.

Eric: I think Michael Gambon read the book on this one.

Andrew: [laughs] Maybe. Somebody should ask him that come premiere time. Did you read the book? Nope! Goodbye. Hmm?

Micah: He's different than in past films. And it goes back to what Ben was saying, though. You only really have, what, thirty seconds of him in this trailer? To gauge any sort of acting change from the past couple of films?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I don't really know. I'll have to see him not have one of his moments where he shook Harry or says something about students going to do his homework. But again, that's not him. He's just doing what he's being told to do by the director, so...

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: You can't really blame Gambon, I guess.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: No, Gambon's just being Gambon.

Cave Scene

Andrew: What do you think of the exterior for the cave? I mean, that just screams straight out of the book.

Matt: What?

Micah: I think it's CGI.

Laura: I think it looks fantastic.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: It really does.

Matt: Mhm.

Kevin: Yeah, I think it was [unintelligible].

Theme of Trailer: Everything is Set on Fire

Matt: What was with the whole trailer - I mean, the theme of this whole trailer seems to be "everything is set on fire."

Andrew: There is a lot of - yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Everything's fire, this movie.

Matt: [laughs] Everything's up in flames.

Andrew: Yeah. Just to give urgency. That's true, there's, like, three different things in this film...

Matt: You see...

Andrew: Or four.

Matt: You see the Burrow on fire like, what, three times?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: And then you see, you know, McGonagall casting a lightning storm, and then you see Hagrid's Hut being set on fire. And then Dumbledore casting the fire around him.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Just fire, fire, fire.

Theory Continues: Trailer Not Ready for Release

Eric: I've been watching this lighting scene that you guys say about McGonagall, and actually, I kind of agree with you here on the lightning effects shot. I kind of wonder - and you guys mentioned the Slughorn pulling the memory thing too - I kind of wonder which of these scenes aren't - I mean, that was sort of a close up on McGonagall's hand shooting the lightning. I don't think that was in the movie. I mean, certainly not as sped up and as fast as it goes by. That's a very - not slow, but a very impacting scene. It's not - I think the trailer is definitely - they may have modified some of these shots that you guys are saying is a little bit messed up, because that lightning shot - yeah, you're right. I totally see where you guys are coming from.

Matt: I - well, see, it doesn't even look like - I mean, the fact that it looks so fake is probably not really what's going to come out of her wand in the movie. I think they just added that just because they're not done with the special effects.

Andrew: Well, I think that's another sign that this - this trailer was not ready to be released yet. It just screams leak. I mean, that - they don't have the corny titles like they did with that other teaser trailer.

Kevin: And the date.

Andrew: And the date. That's huge!

Matt: This year. This year, which is in two months.

Andrew: Here's the other brilliant thing about this.

Eric: They do have...

Kevin: Unless...

Eric: Okay, go ahead.

Kevin: Unless they meant to release it after December.

Matt: Well, that's what they mean.

Kevin: I mean, it only says "this year," right? Yeah, so...

Andrew: Well, yeah. It does, but I don't know.

Kevin: Were you thinking that they had made it prior to...

Andrew: The delay.

Kevin: ...the date being moved?

Andrew: Oh, are you saying they're planning on releasing it this year?

Kevin: Because I would say that...

Andrew: I mean, they were releasing it next year?

Kevin: Yes, after December. Probably January, yes.

Andrew: Yeah, but see, remember...

Kevin: You don't agree? Because it would be perfect for a Christmas release, this trailer.

Andrew: Remember that...

Eric: I do agree with Kevin here.

Andrew: Remember, though, that when the trailer initially came out in the U.K. - the first trailer initially came out - in the U.K. it said "this year." When the first trailer came out initially in the U.K., it said "this year." It didn't say "November," it said "this year." So...

Kevin: Yeah, but it seems as though knowing what Eric knows about the film, and seeing as they replaced a lot of the CG in the film with this trailer...

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: It seems as though, you know, it's been made since that point - you know, since they had those screenings.

Eric: It does kind of seem like a later thing. You're right.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And the other thing I noticed they had that they didn't have before, as far as I recognized, was their take on "Hedwig's Theme" here. Like the special Movie 6 part of "Hedwig's Theme." Unless we've heard that particular rendition before, I thought it had a little bit more strings this time around, just at the end of the trailer when "Hedwig's Theme" was playing. I didn't think that that was a particular piece of music that had been inserted in the film at that time. I think they were using - David Heyman and them had said they were sort of using other things from previous movies to fill it in until they finalized the score, etc. And I think that particular part of "Hedwig's Theme" that plays in this trailer is either new or more of the recent [unintelligible]. Or maybe they just put it into this trailer. Regardless, I think I'm with Kevin here that this trailer isn't actually eight months old as much as it would be just more new, but not to be released yet.

Andrew: Yeah. The other brilliant thing about this...

Micah: I actually agree with Kevin.

Andrew: What? Go ahead, Micah.

Micah: When I first saw the trailer, what I initially thought was that it was being released for next year. And that's what we were to expect it to maybe come out, like he said, around Christmastime or something like that. I didn't even think that it was an older piece that had been sitting somewhere in WB Studios.

Andrew: Oh, I think it must have been. Because, it just - it doesn't feel like the effects are finished. And here's the other brilliant thing about this: this came out today, Sunday. Whenever something leaks online, whether it's a picture - we've never had something as big as a trailer leak before on the weekend - but when it does leak online, WB doesn't say anything, because they're all at home. And so that's why these things always leak on Friday nights or weekends. Like, I don't know if everyone remembers, but there was a time where a picture - a new Half-Blood Prince picture was coming out every Friday. And it comes out - it was coming - my guess is it was coming out every Friday because WB doesn't do anything about it when it's on the weekend. So, we'll see what happens tomorrow. I have a feeling - do you guys think they're going to make everyone take it down?

Will WB Make Them Take it Down?

Kevin: No.

Eric: Probably.

Matt: No, probably not.

Andrew: Probably not?

Laura: I don't know.

Eric: Everyone who's seen it is going to see it. Or everyone who's going to see it has seen it.

Andrew: Yeah, but, you know...

Eric: Or people save it. Everybody save it to your computer.

Andrew: Yeah, I've already got it saved. It's already on YouTube. The wonderful UStream folks added a permanent link to it in the chat so people...

Matt: Yeah, that was really cool.

Andrew: ...can reference it. That was cool. Thanks to those guys.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: So... [laughs] ...I just don't know what to think about this.

Matt: Hey, does anybody think that the cliffs remind you a little bit of the opening of The Two Towers in Lord of the Rings when you go through the mountains? Because that's what I thought when I first saw the trailer.

Kevin: Not really.

Matt: You don't think so?

Kevin: I didn't - no, I didn't really...

Matt: When you kind of go up the mountains?

Kevin: ...make the connection.

Matt: Oh, okay. [whispers] Damn.

Eric: It's been years since I've seen the teaser for The Two Towers.

Matt: No, it's the film itself.

Kevin: The opening of the film itself. Yeah.

Eric: Oh, the film itself? Okay.

Kevin: The opening scene of the movie.

Andrew: Yeah. Micah, I have a question for you.

Eric: Kevin, what was your favorite part of this trailer? Oh, yeah, sorry.

Kevin: I actually...

[Eric laughs]

The Field Scene

Kevin: Well, the scene when they're running through the field towards the burning hut, is that CG?

Eric: Yeah.

Kevin: Because that's - when you look at the grass actually moving, it's impressive.

Eric: Oh.

Kevin: I had a hard time telling...

Eric: Yeah, I...

Kevin: ...whether it was real or not.

Eric: The - you mean Harry running through the, what, the field of the Burrow?

Kevin: Yeah. Right.

Eric: Yeah, when he's running through the grass. Yeah. He's...

Kevin: Is that, like, 35 seconds?

Eric: He's running through - I think it's either - yeah, it's either a cornfield or something. Let me actually take a look at that. I noticed that too, especially in this trailer. In the movie, he actually does it - in the movie, it lasts longer than that. You see him pretty much just running through. And, yeah, it's really well done. I don't know if this particular shot is CG or not. I know it was completed when we saw the movie. But it's really cool, that sequence, and it's really well shot. So yeah, I do like it, but I'm not sure if it's CG. I actually - I want to say it isn't, because that's just the feel I get from seeing it.

Andrew: I'm kind of afraid...

Micah: Not to change the subjects real fast...

Andrew: Go ahead.

Micah: Go ahead.

Andrew: I just think - real quick - I just think there's too much emphasis on this new scene that they added. Like, we've seen it, and it's like half the pictures that come out are the attack on the Burrow. With the - what I am I trying to say? With this new trailer, there's a few more shots from the Burrow. And it's just annoying to me.

Matt: Why?

Laura: Yeah, they really have...

Eric: It's like a...

Laura: ...sort of been...

Eric: ...big beacon of "Look what we did!" which is kind of uncommon.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. "Look! We have a new scene, and Jo approved it, so it's awesome!"

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Matt: I mean...

Eric: Well, and I think it's to remember your own words too, Andrew, that WB has released next to nothing. It has been leaked. And so all these images and stuff from the Burrow that we've seen, and all these new trailers that have the Burrow scene in it, I think part of your discomfort has to be due to the leaks, because if Warner Bros. - if we only had what Warner Bros. released, we'd have a lot less stuff, but perhaps it wouldn't be as "Look at this"-y as it seems.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Because we did see all those shots. Like the individual promo pics of them standing in the doorway and looking out into oblivion...

Andrew: Right.

Eric: ...and all that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It is pretty - it's just, we've had so little actual official stills released and everything.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew is Obsessed with Leaks

Andrew: Yeah. I'm just - like, you - I can't - sorry, I keep going back to this, but I'm really obsessed with how this leaked. I love leaks. I just don't think that - what am I trying to say?

Matt: I don't know.

Andrew: I just - WB had better keep it online. But I have a really strong feeling that we're going to get an e-mail first thing tomorrow morning that says, "Take it down." But - okay, whoever released this, though, I think is just a genius. Because there's nothing going on right now, and the Harry Potter fans needed something. And Alan Horn, in an interview with - I think it was the LA Times - he even admitted. He's like, "Yeah, we're going to have to keep the fans excited. We're going to have to throw them a few extra bones." But I just - I have a feeling they'll take this down. Because it may not be up to WB's standards, this trailer.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: So.

Eric: So, wait, Kevin. What's your favorite point of this trailer?

Kevin: I don't really know. I mean, see, I sort of judge the trailer as a whole. I wouldn't say there's a favorite particular scene, just because we've never saw a single scene long enough to....

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: ...say, "Oh, that's amazing."

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: It would be insulting to try and choose one and then have it turn out to be terrible in the film.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Kevin: Because, of course, they're going to show you what they consider is the best piece of the scene. So you're sort of misled.

Eric: The most fitting, yeah.

Quidditch in the Film

Matt: Is anybody excited about seeing Quidditch in this movie now...

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: ...that we've actually seen it?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: There's a quick glimpse.

Matt: Because it looks pretty cool. It looks more up-scale. Like you only saw a second of it, but just they way it looks, it looks like they put more into it.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, I mean they've had a couple years now to develop the CG technology for this, so hopefully, you know, with today's advances in technology, it's better looking Quidditch than ever.

Eric: You're not watching sort of a kid's movie with Quidditch in it, but you're watching a more teenage movie or adult movie with Quidditch in it, and the whole tone of the movie being - you know, it's good to have Quidditch back. It really is. And with the new effects and everything, you know, the newest and most up-to-date take on that sport, and it's good to have a back. It looked great.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: And, you know, with the - the Sorcerer's Stone and Chamber of Secrets Quidditch was good, but it always bothered me how you could see the blue from the blue screen - or it was green - reflecting off their faces. Wasn't it really obvious?

[Laura laughs]

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And I'd love to get that on Blu-Ray, because it would be even more obvious that - yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: So bad. Am I right or am I right?

Matt: You mean when Harry's sitting on the floor in the grass and then everybody runs in the studio?

Andrew: Exactly. Yeah, exactly. [laughs] Yeah, runs in the studio.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. So hopefully that should be improved. And that's something they should really hype up with this film, because people like coming to movies to see action like Quidditch.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: You know how every year they're always hyping up the [with a British accent] "Oh it's darker than ever. I know I say this year, but it's our best one yet."

Matt: Why'd you use - who are you making fun of?

Andrew: It's basically any Harry Potter actor.

Matt: Oh, okay.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Micah, what other notes do you have from the thing? Or anyone, for that matter? Is there anything that really tickled your funny bone?

Dumbledore's Hand

Micah: I was going to say, what did you guys think about - and it looked to me like it was messed up - Dumbledore's hand, when he was working it on the cave wall?

Andrew: Working it on the cave wall? Is that what you said?

Matt: Well, wasn't he smearing blood on it though? Isn't that what was kind of awkward?

Eric: Yeah, let me take a look here.

Micah: No, no. His hand looks like is has some sort of deterioration on it.

Matt: Oh.

Eric: Oh yeah, that is his hand that he does. Yeah, that's an effect. That's an effect.

Micah: So is that supposed to be his black hand?

Andrew: Yeah, must be.

Laura: Yeah, that's what I thought.

Eric: Well, you see it better in the beginning of the movie.

Matt: It's his right or left hand?

Eric: It's his right hand, which is why, when they're...

Andrew: Is it?

Eric: ...side-along Apparating in this trailer, he's holding out his left hand.

Matt: Right.

Eric: Yeah, that's his - that's his messed up hand.

Kevin: Oh yeah. You can - when he's making the fire you can sort of see it as well. That's his right hand as well.

Memories are Painful to Pull Out

Matt: Why do they make it always so painful to pull out a memory for the Pensieve?

Andrew: To make it look more interesting!

Matt: I know, but, I mean, Jim Broadband looks like he's giving birth or something when he's pulling out the memory...

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: "Oh my God! Oh!"

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Maybe Slughorn's multitalented there.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Maybe he can do two things at once. He's concentrating.

Matt: "I pulled the wrong one!" [laughs]

Andrew: Well, when something's leaving...

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: ...your body, no matter what it is, you can't help but, you know. Or is that just me?

Matt: No.

Andrew: And Jim Broadband.

Eric: It's just you.

Laura: Wow, Andrew. I think you need to stop.

Andrew: You can't help but - okay. Maybe too much. TMI.

Laura: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Oh, I didn't even hear what you said and I said it was just you, so if that was disgusting, I take it back.

WB Closes its Doors on the Weekends

Andrew: For anyone just joining us, there is close to 600 people listening right now. It's 1:30 and we're talking about the just released, international Harry Potter Half-Blood Prince trailer that leaked. And we'll be offline quickly and swiftly tomorrow with a statement from WB. This is going to be in the press tomorrow. You guys realize that, right?

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: No.

Andrew: "Trailer leaks, fans react."

Eric: It's amazing that we have...

Micah: I don't see what the big deal is.

Matt: I mean, the fact that they haven't taken it down from the website yet and it's been up for, what...

Andrew: Because it's the weekend. This is the brilliance.

Eric: Oh, come on. They have 24-hour e-mail.

Andrew: No, they don't. They don't.

Matt: They close the doors, the entire company.

Andrew: I am telling you, whenever a picture or something leaks, they don't react until Monday. That's why this stuff comes out on the weekends, so they don't take it down.

Eric: But we haven't seen them react.

Andrew: What?

Matt: But if a major...

Andrew: Hold on.

Matt: is leaked, and the trailer is leaked, no one's going to run the office and...

Andrew: Yeah, they're all going to be like...

Matt: It's like, oh my God, this is leaked! Okay, but tomorrow I'm going to tell them.

Kevin: What do you do on the weekends? I mean, I don't know about you, but I'm not on my work computer...

Andrew: Exactly!

Kevin: ...watching what's going on.

Andrew: They're not going to drive into work, sit down, and be like, you know...

Kevin: The last thing they're going to want to look at is stuff involving their trade, because they've just spent five days doing that.

Andrew: Five days...

Micah: Don't you think they have offices open on the weekends? Somewhere Warner Brothers has an office open right now.

Eric: I'm sure...

Matt: This is stupid to think that they don't right now, have somebody in that office on the weekends, just taking phone calls or something.

Andrew: I am telling you, we will see something about this tomorrow but not today. Guarantee you.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Just based on what has happened.

Micah: Let's get back to the trailer.

Matt: Yeah, okay. All right.

Andrew: I'm sorry. I'm obsessed with this whole thing.

Micah: I have a question.

Andrew: What?

Draco Scene

Micah: I actually have a couple of questions about this trailer, but the first one was, what is Draco pulling that sheet off of? Is that...

Matt: I think that's the cabinet. I think it might be the cabinet.

Eric: You got a time stamp for me, Micah?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Because I was thinking that too.

Micah: You actually have to get it just right, because it's like a flash scene; it goes really quick.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: What's the time code?

Micah: I don't know. It's right where - maybe a scene...

Matt: Oh, it's 42 seconds.

Micah: Or at 42 seconds.

Matt: Yeah. It's so - it's so Chronicles of Narnia too. "I'm just going to pull this drape very angrily - pull it down."

Andrew: I don't - I don't see it at 42 seconds. At 42 seconds?

Micah: It's very soon after they show Draco in front of the Room of Requirement saying something about evil.

Matt: It's so at 42 seconds! You guys just have to look.

Eric: Yeah, it - at first I thought it was Voldemort coming down somewhere, but it is the curtain on the wardrobe that he's...

Kevin: Oh, I see. Yeah.

Eric: It's the curtain of the - the thing that has twins.

Micah: Vanishing Cabinet?

Eric: Yeah, thank you.

[Eric and Kevin]

Eric: The Vanishing Cabinet.

Andrew: So yeah, that's probably the Vanishing Cabinet. Matt's trying to show it to me. Forget it, it's okay. I must have a different trailer.

Matt: Yours is different.

Andrew: I think I have the third trailer. Okay, what else? What else?

The Flashbacks

Micah: Were you guys kind of upset with the Voldemort flashbacks? I know none of us were really big on flashbacks...

Andrew: Again? [laughs]

Matt: Well, yeah, this is like their thing.

Laura: Haven't we done this like three times now?

Andrew: Yeah. Laura...

Eric: It's because Voldemort's not in this movie.

Matt: Yeah, but what's with the snake? The snake coming at you and attacking you. Did you see that?

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Matt: Nagini just turning around and going "Ahh!"

Eric: Goodness!

Andrew: Yeah, there's the snake from Order of the Phoenix, I think.

Matt: Yeah, it's the fiery snake, and then right after it the real snake coming out...

Andrew: The real snake.

Matt: I seem to think it might be Harry recollecting what Horcruxes Dumbledore is telling him. Like every time he says it, there's this little thing all by itself, and then comes Nagini, and then she attacks, and it's just - or not.

Andrew: One thing I just really - got to me about Order of the Phoenix, and I've said it before, is the flashbacks. Laura do they bother you too? Are you concerned?

Laura: Yeah, they - I just remember, I think it was when the Order of the Phoenix trailer came out, and we were like pausing it frame-by-frame and finding all the Goblet of Fire flashbacks...

Andrew: Yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: So it's like, come on, guys.

Eric: Yeah, there was a scene from the graveyard that was in that one. I - but it's good because I think it - I think that people know that the flashbacks upset people.

Matt: They didn't use as much, though, in this one.

Eric: There is not flashbacks in Movie 6. I mean, there is not these - and there's not - like montages is the other thing I said. Like during Dumbledore's Army in Movie 5, you know how they had the passage of time through montages?

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: That is done differently in this movie. There aren't those sort of things with giddy music playing.

Andrew: From newspaper to newspaper and like zooming in and out.

Eric: Yeah, so it's same director and different sort of techniques employed here. There is some really good - like Kevin mentioned in the cornfield, Harry running through the field, there is some of those really cool shots just to look at, and one of them is when Harry first arrives at the Burrow. There's a great, in my opinion, what looks like a great shot, but - I won't say more, but there are some really cool visuals in this movie that don't necessarily have to do with the special effects.

Andrew: Yeah.

Scene Pays Homage to U.S. Book Cover

Matt: There's this one clip in the trailer that I thought was really cool, because it was kind of like an homage to the book cover - the U.S. book cover in Half-Blood Prince - is when Ron and Hermione are looking up together. They're looking up at something, and it looks - it's almost exactly like the way the drawings of Ron and Hermione are looking up in the back cover.

Laura: Oh, yeah!

Andrew: What?

Matt: You know what I'm talking about, Laura?

Laura: Yeah, you're right. There's - on the back of the Half-Blood Prince cover, there's...

Matt: It's 39 seconds in the teaser.

Laura: ...Ron, Hermione and Ginny. And they're all looking up.

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah! It's almost exactly the same. I didn't even notice that.

Matt: Yeah, I just paused it, and then it looks right - I just saw it.

Kevin: What's the time?

Andrew: It's - see...

Matt: 39 seconds.

Andrew: See, it's not 39. This frame you're talking about right?

Matt: No.

Andrew: Oh.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Oh, but - that's not from the - come on!

Matt: Yeah - no it does!

Andrew: Come on!

Laura: It does look like it.

Matt: I love it how I have a revelation or something, and Andrew always tries to mark it down because he didn't think of it first.

Andrew: I could go...

Matt: "No, it's not true! No, you're stupid."

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I could go through the first five movies and show thirty million more times where they're looking up like that.

Matt: Okay. I expect to see them at the end of the day.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh. Someone do that for me, please, thank you.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Okay, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. They're just ripping off Twilight now. Robert Pattinson [unintelligible] the apple with his hands. [laughs]

Matt: Don't bring this up! Don't. Don't bring this up at all. I swear.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Okay, so what else? Micah or Laura?

Laura: Um...

Andrew: I didn't really have time to take notes. I was preparing for the show.

Overall, Laura is Appreciative

Laura: I don't know. I just really appreciate seeing more of the cave.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Seeing the exterior, I was pretty impressed by that. And also seeing Dumbledore's hand was really great, and just like, as the wall fell away sort of, as he was - as he was touching it. It was exactly as I imagined it from the book.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Or what little we've seen of it, so I'm pretty impressed by that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah.

In the Cave

Micah: What about that scene where Harry is firing a spell...

Matt: I was just going to say that! In the cave?

Micah: Yeah. What was that?

Eric: I'm looking now.

Matt: Isn't that when he says, "Accio" or something? And then one of the Inferi go up inside - you know, arise out of the lake and then go back down?

Eric: Do you have a time stamp?

Matt: [whispers] No, I don't.

Andrew: Do you have a time stamp?

Micah: I just took notes. I didn't pay any attention to the time stamp.

Andrew: Oh, yeah. Well, that's important too. [laughs] But sort of going off what Laura was saying, it's more clear than ever that, no pun intended, that he's standing on ice, it seems, when he's at the...

Eric: Crystals, not ice.

Laura: No, not ice.

Eric: Not ice at all.

Andrew: Okay, crystals.

Laura: They're crystals.

Eric: It looks more like - it's crystals. It's a crystal cave.

Andrew: You're a crystal cave.

Micah: Aren't they called - aren't there specific names for things like that...

Andrew: Kryptonite?

Micah: top of caves, or that come up from the bottom?

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: Stalactites and stalagmites...

Laura: Stalagmite.

Eric: The difference is that stalagmite's got an "m" in it. But, yeah, no. They are different than that. They aren't - stalactites and stalagmites are made from like deposits...

Kevin: Oh, and the time is 57.

Eric: 50 seconds for what?

Kevin: 57 seconds for Harry firing off that spell.

Eric: Oh, thank you. I'll take a look at that.

Kevin: And it shows the crystals as well.

Micah: Well, we might as well ask our own expert who's seen the film so he can tell us exactly what...

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: ...I'm asking about.

Matt: Eric? At a minute and like nine seconds into the trailer, right before you see the Harry Potter logo, you see Harry look shocked or something. Is that when he witnesses Dumbledore dying?

Eric: Hang on. Okay, first...

Matt: Oh, it's a minute and ten seconds.

Eric: Harry throwing the - the 57 seconds - Harry throwing the spell.

Matt: No, no, no, no. At a minute and ten - oh sorry. Are you talking about something else?

Eric: I'm talking about the first thing that you mentioned. Yeah, that is him casting - I believe it's lumos, actually, like he's trying to see what's over there. Or it's accio. But he is - I'm pretty sure it's one of those two. But yeah, that scene casting a spell is very well done too, because you see, in that shot that they show part of here, you see how deep the cave is, which is a really cool effect. Now, what is it? 1:10?

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Oh. That is around that scene that you guessed.

Matt: That I guessed? Oh geez. We don't want to spoil people.

Eric: That's around that scene.

Bellatrix Dancing

Andrew: Hey, I just found something I thought was really cool. At a minute three. My time codes are messed up, but when they're - when the fire's on Hagrid's hut, Bellatrix is like dancing up and down.

Matt: Yeah. Raising her arms up, conjuring it.

Laura: You know what? It kind of reminded me of Twilight a little bit.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: [gasps] Don't bring it up!

Laura: I hate to bring that in, but...

Andrew: Why? Why does it remind you of it?

Laura: Wasn't there that one part where they had the vampires, and they were sort of dancing around something that was on fire?

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Laura: I remember a clip and I was like, "Oh my God. Why? Why?"

Andrew: That's just really cool, because Bellatrix is just crazy like that. And that reminds me of in Order of the Phoenix when she's running through the corridor of the Ministry of Magic just going, "I killed Sirius," or whatever.

Matt: Mhm.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: That's just her craziness right there shining through again.

Eric: She is dancing up and down.

Andrew: I can't wait to see that.

Matt: It's going to be awesome seeing Bellatrix act all crazy with fire in her eyes.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: There was another shot of her in this trailer, too, though. She looked like she was fighting on the grounds of Hogwarts.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: In an attack...

Matt: I think she was in the Great Hall, I think.

Andrew: Where was that? What's the time code?

Eric: It looks like it's in the Great Hall.

Matt: Well, there's a photo of her doing that, too.

Andrew: Oh, I see that. Yeah, that's definitely the Great Hall.

Matt: Why is she in the Great Hall?

Eric: But her jumping up and down in front of Hagrid's hut is hilarious.

Matt: Well, they have a photo of her on top of a table like shouting and laughing, too.

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: So maybe she's fighting somebody in the Great Hall. I mean, there is a scene in the book. It's kind of a big scene where she is fighting.

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: Of course, apparently, they're cutting it.

Back to the Burrow Scene

Andrew: Is like the only action at the Burrow? Because it's just all this Burrow stuff. It's like Burrow, Burrow, Burrow.

Eric: No, the Burrow's not the only scene of action.

Matt: There is snogging.

Eric: The Burrow, if anything - to be honest, the Burrow is an interesting scene, but it's not one of the biggest scenes in the movie. I mean, it's not - as far as the interesting things in the movie, the Burrow scene is not sort of what they put all their money into. It's very interesting that they constructed the scene. It serves several different purposes, but, yeah, it's not like the big fight scene or anything like that.

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