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Ron's X Formation

Penny: Which brings us to the - can we talk about it? That Ron scene on the broom?

Andrew: What? What about it exactly? [laughs]

Penny: It made me really uncomfortable. [laughs]

Andrew: Just that his position? His X formation?

Penny: Yeah. Just take a look at it.

Caller: I thought it looked adorable.

Matt: Yeah, we've seen it. I've seen it.

Andrew: Sophie thinks he looks adorable.

Caller: I do.

Andrew: Sophie.

Matt: He looks...

Caller: Me and my friends are really happy that we're finally seeing him playing Quidditch. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. The CGI looks a lot better too compared to other films, and I was saying this the last live show, they didn't have Quidditch in Movie 5, so hopefully they would have upped the quality of the Quidditch CGI-wise, and it certainly looks like they've done that.

Caller: Yeah, it [unintelligible].

Andrew: Plus it's snowing, which gives it a nice effect. It makes the - the snow really makes the Quidditch players stand out a lot too and as they're playing, because it's white against the red.


Caller: And also with the CGI, the Apparition looks amazing.

Andrew: It's very cool.

Matt: Yeah. I really like it.

Caller: Really like bendy. I don't even know what that is. [laughs]

Andrew: Well, it's sort of like - I have to replay it again. I have to find it.

Matt: I keep thinking like, it looks like a straw just sucking them all up.

Andrew: Exactly.

Caller: Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, here, I found it. It's about - oh geez, I don't even know what I'm looking at now. I think I passed it. It's about fifteen - yeah here we go - fifteen seconds in. Just grabs the arm. Yeah, it's like a straw. It's kind of cool.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: It's sort of like a transition you would see in iMovie when the video gets sucked into the center.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: The transition. I don't even know if any of you guys have seen that in iMovie HD, but there's lots of that. All right, well, Sophie, thank you for calling in.

Caller: You're welcome.

Andrew: All right. And, Sophie, I can't hang up on you so feel free to hang up on me.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Caller: Good to talk to you.

Andrew: Good talking to you too. Oh geez.

Fenrir Greyback

Matt: You know what? We get to see Fenrir Greyback too. His full-on face in this trailer.

Andrew: Yeah. What do you think about it? I mean, we sort of saw it.

Matt: He looks all - yeah, but there's actually light showing on his face.

Andrew: He's scary.

Matt: Yeah, he's not a very attractive man.

Andrew: [laughs] He's not supposed to be either.

Matt: Yeah, well, you know, it's all...

Andrew: Is he wearing a tie? What is that thing? I'm looking at 1:34.

Matt: Yeah, I'm at it too. I think he's shirtless.

Andrew: Oh, that's right. That's his hair. Duh.

Matt: [laughs] Bushy hair.

Andrew: They should have made him sort of like the Joker character. You know how Dark Knight, Joker was this crazy guy?

Matt: You want him to cut his lips?

Andrew: No! [laughs] No, but just like insane somehow.

Matt: Well maybe. I mean, we haven't seen anything from him. All we see him is just turning to the side a little bit.

Andrew: Yeah. True, true.

Penny: Wait, is that him though? And I don't have anything time stamped, but in - it must be - I think it must be near the Burrow scene probably, but there's somebody just in the middle of all these high, tall grass.

Matt: Yeah, that's him.

Andrew: In this new trailer?

Penny: That's right?

Matt: Flicking off this white spell.

Penny: Yeah, is that what it is?

Matt: Yeah.

Penny: He almost looks like he's got like a Klingon forehead a little bit. Do you see that?

Matt: It's his hair. I mean, his whole face is pretty much covered with hair. I think that's what it is.

Penny: Uh-huh.

Andrew: What's the time stamp of that, Matthew?

Matt: It's a 1:34.

Andrew: Oh, I see. Maybe they forgot to put makeup on his wig to cover the seams so that's what - doesn't it sort of look like a hair net? Like, at the cafeteria?

Matt: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Penny: I will say that he does look scary, which is good.

Matt: Yeah, he does not look like someone I want to hang out with.

Andrew: Fenrir the lunch lady.

Matt: He has a huge gash between his left nostril all the way down to his chin.

Andrew: Yeah, so he is kind of Joker-like. I know that sounds weird, but...

Matt: Oh, it's not a gash it's just - just a something - a piece of hair on the film or something.

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: It might be a piece of blood also. I think I remember in the book it said that he smelled of blood and...

Andrew: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Penny: So...

Andrew: There's another Joker comparison. Joker loves blood. Sorry, I just miss Dark Knight a lot right now.

Matt: Yeah.

Favorite Trailer

Andrew: Penny, how would this trailer rank in your opinion of the top trailers? Of the Half-Blood Prince trailers, and then we'll go round the table about favorite trailers overall.

Penny: This is definitely my - I mean - you can't compare this without these two because it's a trailer, not a teaser, first of all.

Andrew: Right.

Penny: And I think they just did a great job, really just getting a lot of the movie.

Andrew: Absolutely. Oh, I guess it's my turn. [Andrew laughs] I think - yeah, this is my favorite too. And I have to say, the first trailer, the teaser trailer, left such a mood. It had such a theme to it. But this one is more of the classic trailer that we all like to see with tons of different action, whether it's love and lust. And, Matt, you said this is your favorite trailer too?

Matt: I - well, no I didn't, but yeah, it is.

Andrew: Well, you said it's one of yours. Eric!

Eric: Hello.

Andrew: Good morning, Eric.

Matt: Hello, Eric.

Eric: Good morning! Good morning, Matt! Good morning, Andrew! Good morning, Penny!

Eric Joins the Show

Andrew: Hold on. Hold on, let me call you. Sorry, I did that by accident, I'm sorry. [laughs] Geez. Eric is now joining us via Skype. Hi, Eric.

Eric: Hello.

Andrew: Eric, I don't know if you've heard, but the new trailer came out this morning.

Eric: Sweet.

Andrew: Have you watched it yet?

Eric: No I have not. I have just gotten home.

Andrew: Technically, though, you could say yes because you've already seen the movie.

Eric: Well...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric:'s the way they splice them.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: It's not the scenes.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. And for any of you who doesn't know, Eric was lucky enough to catch a screening of Half-Blood Prince... [laughs]'s so weird to say, two months ago. It was two months ago, right? About two months ago?

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Guys, you have it in a zip it's so big?

Andrew: That's what WB gave it to us as.

Eric: Dude, that's awesome.

Andrew: Look at the Quicktime versions. Those aren't zipped.

Matt: Geez. [unintelligible] is just amazing.

Eric: Okay. So what have you seen? I mean, what...

Matt: Oh, we've seen the whole movie so far. I mean, it has everything.

Eric: I mean, overall, what's your one word impression of this trailer?

Matt: Epic.

Andrew: Adrenaline. Yeah, towards the end - Matt and I were watching it together, and towards the end it really picks up and you start getting really excited.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: It's like BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!

Matt: And my essential reaction I can't really say because we're live and it's censored, but let's just say I said every word in the Bible. And in the dictionary.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Wow. That must have taken you like a bajillion hours.

Andrew: Yeah. I must have been really focused because I didn't hear a single one.

Eric: Hmm. Well, it is loading here, this MOV. How long is it?

Andrew: It's about a minute and a half.

Matt: It's about a minute and forty-five seconds.

Andrew: Yes. Now let's get some more callers in. Guys, please call in, username Skype. For some reason our phone numbers aren't working, but Skype the username MuggleCast to get people's reactions. Since this was a big trailer surprise, on MuggleNet I made a post along with the trailer post, I said tape your initial reactions, because those are always fun to watch. Nicole! Good morning! You're on MuggleCast Live!

Call: The Music

Caller: Hi!

Everybody: Hey!

Caller: Oh, that was a surprise. I didn't think I would get through. [laughs]

Andrew: Oh trust me, there are not many calls coming in right now.

Matt: Everyone's in class.

Caller: Yeah, I know, I'm lucky. I literally turned on the computer and I saw that it was on. It was amazing.

Andrew: Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so was that your initial reaction? Did you scream? Was there any sort of - did you pee your pants? What happened exactly?

Caller: Well, I was in my Corporate Accounting class, and I looked on Twitter, and I saw a thing announce it, and I go back to my room, and I literally had to read it like four times, I couldn't believe it. I thought it was old or something.

Andrew: Nice, nice. Anything you want to discuss concerning the trailer?

Caller: I loved the music, especially the end. It's just - "Hedwig's Theme," it just sounded different. Like it sounded more intense I think.

Andrew: Was there "Hedwig's Theme" at the end?

Matt: At the very end. It's always at the very end.

Andrew: I missed it. Hold on, hold on, let's play it right now. I have that technology; we can do that. Hold on. Let's listen. [pause] Apparently I don't have the technology because it's not working! [laughs]

Matt: Yeah, you definitely have that technology. Wow. [laughs]

Andrew: Oh wait, wait, I muted the trailer, that's why. Shut up. Okay, hold on.

Matt: Wow.

[Music starts loud]

Matt: Oh geez.

Andrew: Okay.

Matt: You already passed it.

Andrew: Shh. Oh I did?

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh gosh.

Matt: Do you want me to do it?

Andrew: No!

[Part of trailer plays]

Matt: [imitating Hermione] I'm scared for you.

Andrew: [imitating Harry] Fight back!

Matt: Here it is.

["Hedwig's Theme" plays]

Andrew: Oh man!

[Audio ends]

Andrew: That's sick. I didn't even notice that.

Penny: Yeah, I don't know how I missed that.

Matt: That's because I was screaming when it was happening.

Andrew: That's like military style.

[Matt imitates the song]

Andrew: That was because I was too busy cleaning up my pee from my pants, I guess.

Matt: Oh, gross.

Andrew: Tend to spaz out when that happens. Well, Nicole, thank you for calling in.

Caller: Thanks for taking my call!

Andrew: You are so welcome. Have a good day.

Caller: You too.

Andrew: And there was Nicole, who peed her pants when she saw the trailer. Now here's someone who was calling in earlier and I'm going to get him in now.

Matt: Eric, have you seen it yet?

Andrew: Eric's on hold.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Meaning it's his fault, not mine. Okay. Michael's missing his chance. Sorry, Michael. It's about time that they mixed up the "Hedwig's Theme" a little bit to match the...

Matt: They always mix it.

Andrew: They don't make it like that.

Matt: Yeah, they do.

Andrew: They do the classic little piano or whatever they do.

Matt: Sometimes they do it. In the teaser trailers they do it. And like the other trailers - Prisoner of Azkaban did it, I think - no, no, not Prisoner of Azkaban, Goblet of Fire and Order of the Phoenix.

Andrew: Yes.

Penny: I like how they give "Hedwig's Theme" its own personality in each movie.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: Mike, good morning, you're on MuggleCast Live!


Andrew: Mike, good morning.

Matt: Michael?

Andrew: Good morning, Mike. Mike, hello? Goodbye, Mike. [laughs] Let's see. What else is there to discuss? For anyone just joining us, there is close to 200 people in here right now. The Half-Blood Prince trailer was just released this morning. Surprised the fans. This was the intention, and the trailer is going to be coming out with Twilight, ironically enough, on the same day Half-Blood Prince was scheduled to be released on November 21st. Michael, good morning, you're on MuggleCast Live!

Call: Length of the Movie

Caller: Hello?

Andrew: Hey.

Matt: Hello.

Andrew: What is your reaction to the trailer?

Caller: Hey, how's it going?

Andrew: Pretty good.

Caller: The trailer was really good. I'd like to know how much - do you guys know how long the movie's going to be, actually?

Andrew: No. That would be a question for Eric, who has seemed to disappear, but I think they're aiming for two and a half hours, isn't that right?

Matt: I think I heard something like that, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. So it's going to be a little bit longer than these trailers.

Matt: Well, yeah, I - that's usually the case. The trailers are usually shorter than the films.

Call: The Inkwell Effect

Andrew: Right. Let's take another call. Anthony, good morning! You're on MuggleCast Live.

Matt: Anthony.

Caller: Hey, how you doing?

Matt: Hey.

Andrew: Pretty good.

Caller: Hey, I'm here.

Andrew: You are here, good morning! What was your initial reaction to the trailer?

Caller: How are you guys doing?

Andrew: Pretty good.

Caller: I thought it was pretty good. What did you guys think about the fog - what did you guys think about the fog sequence though? When Dumbledore was walking over to the orphanage?

Matt: Yeah, that's what I was talking about too. Well, I used the inkwell effect, but fog works better than what I described, because they were confused.

Andrew: Yeah, the ink makes it - sorry, which scene are you talking about exactly?

Matt: The memories in the Pensieve.

Andrew: Oh. Yeah, it's really cool because it matches...

Caller: When Dumbledore goes to the orphanage.

Andrew: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's really cool because it sort of sets the tone for a memory. Because in flashbacks previously, there hasn't been - like in Chamber of Secrets, of course, that wasn't a memory, but it was - it was like black and white, and I thought that was sort of a lame way to illustrate the flashback...

Matt: Well, in Goblet of Fire they didn't even do that. He just fell into a room.

Andrew: Right. Yeah. So, yeah, I think that's a very cool effect to give the people an impression that they're in a memory.

Matt: Because it's kind of fuzzy.

Caller: Did - in one section, it also looked like Bellatrix was casting the Dark Mark at Hogwarts. Did you guys see that?

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, we discussed that earlier. But a caller was saying she's not supposed to be there. Do you have any sort of reaction to that? I mean...

Caller: You guys were talking a couple of months ago how Bellatrix was only casted for the beginning sequence with Snape, so I was kind shocked to see her at Hogwarts.

Andrew: Right.

Caller: So I didn't know if you guys had any insight as to that.

Andrew: Well, I was speculating that maybe that was just one of those things they had to change to go along with the plot a little more.

Matt: Mhm.

Caller: Oh.

Andrew: I mean...

Penny: These are the people that put in the Burrow scene. I don't think it's going to - it's that crazy to think that they put in Bellatrix into the scene.

Andrew: Right. Yeah. They've done some crazy...

Caller: Overall, I thought it was a great trailer.

Andrew: Definitely. Your favorite yet? Your most favorite?

Caller: Actually, yeah. It's my favorite trailer out of all the movies, because it's filled with everything. It's got the love sequence, it's got the horror sequence and everything later, so...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Got to say it's definitely well balanced.

Andrew: Definitely. Eric, we had a caller in here a few minutes ago who was wondering how long the film is. Do you remember like the exact time?

Eric: No, and I'm sure it's changed. Unfortunately, I don't.

Andrew: Well, give us a ballpark. Two and a half hours?

Eric: Yeah, I don't want to say.

Andrew: [laughs] What? Is it like a surprise? Is it going to be like five hours or something? Let's put it this way: I had to pee three times.

Matt: Oh, we get to see the Death Eater siblings in the trailer as well. Along with Bellatrix and Fenrir.

Penny: The Carrows?

Matt: Yeah, the Carrows. Yeah, because there's a female Death Eater and a male Death Eater too with them. They were both in that scene when they killed Dumbledore.

Eric: Gosh, can I just say how good it is to see an actual official released trailer?

Andrew: I know! Really.

Eric: My gosh! In High Definition. Come on!

Andrew: In like thirty different formats.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Oh my God! That's amazing!

Matt: No lightening inserted in anything.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. No creepy lightening shot.

Micah Faxes in His Input

Andrew: I just received a faxed statement from Micah Tannenbaum in the MuggleNet - MuggleCast news office. He says, "I think it was more all-inclusive than the last trailers. Showed more of the sex and comedic side that we heard about in previous reports, and it's nice we've finally moved on to something of substance for the sixth film before we start getting DH news." That was an official statement from Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: Well, thank you, Micah.

Eric: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Sex?

Matt: Can we send him like a fruit basket or something?

Andrew: Yeah, we should've proofread that. I don't know about that word "sex."

Eric: Hang on, sex? But that's what Micah said, right? Sex.

Andrew: But - yeah. But David Heyman has described this movie as "sex, drugs, and rock n' roll." Your thoughts, Eric?

Eric: [laughs] Well, I guess if David Heyman said it, there's got to be sex in this movie. I...

Andrew: [laughs] Would you disagree with that?

Eric: Well, no, not exactly, but, I mean, romance, you know, there are so many different ways of saying it. Micah just faxed in his brutal analysis there, and...

Andrew: Yeah. Well, it's not brutal.

Matt: It's not sex, it's sex appeal.

Andrew: Yeah, that's what he was talking about. [laughs] This isn't Harry Potter X-rated.

Matt: God.

Call: Ron's In Love

Andrew: Let's get another caller in here. Katie, good morning. You're on MuggleCast Live. Hello, Katie.

Matt: Good morning, Katie. Afternoon.

Caller: Hi.

Matt: Hi! There she is.

Andrew: How are you?

Caller: Oh, I'm doing all right! I didn't expect anyone to pick up.

Andrew: Hey, no problem. But listen. You were just surprised by the trailer this morning. Your initial reactions when you saw that the trailer, a brand new trailer. Your reaction, please.

Matt: Thoughts!

Caller: Well, actually, I just got a text message from my friend. She was all like, "Hey, check it out, there's a new trailer," so I just got finished watching it.

Andrew: Awesome.

Caller: I like it. I burst out laughing at the part with Ron, when he's under the love potions - like, "have you actually met her?" He's like, "No..." [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, exactly.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Any...

Caller: And...

Andrew: Go ahead.

Caller: No, go ahead.

Andrew: I was just going to say, any other reactions to the trailer? What - is this your favorite one yet, or what? You are speaking for the fans. Represent them well, please.

Caller: [laughs] I'd say probably my favorite one so far. There was so much happening, and I've only watched it twice, so I'll probably have to watch it again to get... [laughs] ...get a better gage on it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: But what I saw, I liked.

Andrew: And...

Caller: Same as always, I can't wait to see that.

Andrew: Definitely. Did - did - what was I going to say? Oh. Does this make you any more excited for the film, or has it changed your thoughts about the film? Or what?

Caller: Oh, more excited than ever, definitely.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: All right, Katie. Well, thank you for calling in.

Caller: Well, thank you! You guys have a great day.

Andrew: Thanks, you too. Bye!

Matt: Bye.

Andrew: And again...

The Dumbledore Debate Continues

Matt: How epic is it when Dumbledore says, "It is also a lie!"

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah!

Matt: It's like, whoa, geez! [laughs]

Penny: Did you guys talk about Dumbledore when I was on hold or anything?

Andrew: Not really.

Matt: No. We can...

Andrew: What were your...

Matt: Your thoughts on Dumbledore, please, Penny.

[Andrew laughs]

Penny: [laughs] Sorry, but, to me - because I have never been a Gambon fan, so...

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Penny: Could we talk about that?

Andrew: Yeah, it's time for our weekly Has-Gambon-Changed-At-All talk. [laughs] Let's get into that.

[Penny laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, what do you think of him, Penny? I mean, do you think he's changed in this trailer, or what?

Penny: I think he's changed, and hopefully he'll continue to change, but I still just don't think he's Dumbledore.

Andrew: Oh.

Penny: I think one big thing that I've always loved about Dumbledore, especially in Half-Blood Prince, which is I think my favorite book, is that he's just got that vulnerability, especially at the end.

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: And I just don't see Gambon playing it.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Ooh. Ooh, ooh. Can I chime in?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Sure, why not?

Eric: Okay, I got to say, Penny, I am totally with you on Michael Gambon. I too have not liked him at all in the past. He has had very, very, very precious few redeeming qualities. But in this movie, by the time the end credits close, you will have seen more of his dying, decaying hand and more vulnerable Dumbledore than you could possibly ever forget.

Matt: I - I'm kind of with him.

Eric: No, they - they do - in this movie, I don't know why - I think it's because he had this hand, that Michael Gambon was able to really sort of bring it forward. But I did get a pretty good sense - it made me a little bit happy to see a more - a weaker, sort of more vulnerable, as you put it, Dumbledore in this film. And it might still not be what many people would love, maybe not still Richard Harris, but in this trailer - yeah, in this trailer - this trailer might overlook it, but there is a lot of - a lot of vulnerability on the Michael Gambon side, and Dumbledore. And it's a bit interesting that they - I'm looking at the very beginning of this trailer, and when they - when they Apparate. Did you guys talk about that special effect? Did you say...

Andrew: Yeah, it's very cool, isn't it?

Eric: They show it now. That's - that's - it was just awesome. To me that was straight out of the book.

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: The twisty-turny sort of - I don't know, maybe that's just me. But that line there, where Dumbledore asks Harry, you know, "Do you wonder why I brought you here?" And Harry says, "After all these years you just sort of go with it"?

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: That is one of my complaints. Not that the line exists. Many people would probably be upset that the line exists, but I - I'm upset that they showed it in the trailer because the trailer by definition is zippy and has to condense everything. And that's not - the scene they show when he says that, obviously it's a voice over, he doesn't say it in that sequence. It's - I mean he responds to Dumbledore that way, but it just - they should have left it in the movie because it's much slower pace. I don't know, they were looking for an early punch line, maybe. But that's my one complaint that that line - that line gets better treatment in the film. They should have just left it there.

Andrew: Well, yeah. And I have to say that this - I really do agree that Dumbledore is getting - Michael Gambon is getting where he should be. He does seem very vulnerable in these trailers. Especially these end scenes where you see these people crawling up to him and you see Harry protecting him. He looks fantastic!

Eric: In the - you mean in the cave?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. The cave is pretty cool.

Andrew: Eric, now, here's a very important question.

Eric: Yeah.

Is The Trailer Representative?

Andrew: Is this trailer representative of the movie? Because I don't want to get excited that this going to be some action packed, amazing thing. The music always hypes you up when you watch these trailers. Does this trailer live up to the hype of the movie? Does it represent it well?

Eric: Well, let me put it this way: I liked Movie 5, but I was with my girlfriend who hated Movie 5. And it's got the same director, same script treatment, same everything. So it was interesting going into it. I loved and my girlfriend both loved this movie, and we hadn't seen any of the completed special effects or many of them. And so you're looking at the Quidditch and - or I'm looking at the Quidditch, and the cave scene, and the Inferi, and all of that stuff, and seeing all these completed special effects. And I liked the movie without them, and so did my girlfriend, who didn't like, along with many other people, David Yates' flashes and montages in the previous films, which were not in this movie at all. This movie is so different of a movie, yet so awesome and true to the book. It's probably the truest to the book, I think. It totally feels like it's true to the book. It doesn't feel like it's skipping around.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It goes at a slow pace, but you're able to - to feast your eyes on these wonderful effects which happen in Quidditch, and the Burrow scene, and the end scene. The fight scene at Hogwarts looks amazing! Just from these tiny clips in the trailer. It's - yes, I would say this trailer is not only representative of the movie, but a darn - darn good one. I mean, WB must be sighing relief hearing - to hear all these fans now saying that it's their favorite so far ever. I mean that's just got to be a good feeling, because - and in my opinion, too, I share it, that this trailer is a success. It's a win. It's made of win...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: ...and is going to be exactly what they needed, I think.

Andrew: Yeah, and...

Matt: We have been talking with Eric Scull of the Behind the Scenes on the trailer in film.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Woot!

The Trailer is a Sorry Gift

Andrew: This is WB's gift to the fans, I think. It's a sorry gift.

Eric: Well, it's about time.

Andrew: Because it's coming out...

Eric: It's not only a sorry gift.

Andrew: Right, well, it's coming...

Eric: Basically with...

Andrew: Yeah. Well - well, I say it's a sorry gift because it's coming out with Twilight, which comes out the same day that the Harry Potter trailer...

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Well really!

Penny: I think it's a last ditch effort gift for them.

Andrew: I mean, yeah. [laughs]

Penny: I mean, not...

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, could that - wait, I mean, put it this way: what else could they have done that's better? I mean, you know.

Eric: Well, right. If it is a last ditch effort.

Matt: More pre-screenings.

Andrew: More pre-screenings? [laughs]

Eric: At least it's a successful effort, I think.

Andrew: One listener just IM-ed me over Skype chat and said it's a lame sorry gift. But I don't - I don't know. I think this is a good gift!

Eric: Who's going to still be mad? Who's going to still be angry?

Matt: Yeah, the whole thing about angry about being delayed - that's over with. Just - just accept it.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, you know - and what would be a better gift, like a scene? But I don't want to see a scene. I want to see a trailer.

Matt: Yeah, I think...

Eric: I don't want a scene too.

Matt: I really don't want another trailer for a few months. I want to still be able to actually see the movie when it comes out or not. See everything with the TV spots and all the behind the scenes footage and all the ten million trailers they're giving us.

The Harry-Ginny Kiss Scene

Andrew: Yeah. People also want us to discuss the kiss scene. The Harry-Ginny kiss scene. Right? Was it the Harry-Ginny? Yeah. It comes up very quickly and it's towards the end. I - what's there to discuss? People in the chat, feel free to add some feedback. One listener said to me people who haven't read the books will be incredibly confused.

Matt: Well then, who cares?

Andrew: Which I guess is true.

Matt: Who honestly cares? If you haven't seen - I mean, I'm tired of the movies trying to acclimate it towards people who haven't read the books - can do that. Just understand.

Andrew: Yeah.

Penny: They need to...

Matt: If they really want to get the movie, read the freaking book!

Andrew: Penny?

Penny: Yeah, and does this person mean that they're going to be confused by the trailer or confused during the book?

Eric: During watching the movie, I think.

Penny: I mean, during the movie I mean.

Eric: Yeah. Penny Why would they...

Eric: I think that's what they mean. But yeah, I don't know why either, because, to be honest, he does linger over Ginny for a while in the movie.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And it's made quite clear. It - just because it doesn't happen exactly like it does in the book. I mean, I think these people went and spoiled themselves on all those spoilerific - which were not mine - reviews of the pre-screening film and are all angry. I mean, to be honest, I watched this trailer just while I was on the show here, and I missed the Harry-Ginny scene in the trailer the first time, completely. I didn't even know it was in there, and then I was - I have it paused and I'm simply looking through scenes and I see that it is in there in whatever incarnation, but yeah, I don't know what there is to talk about it.

Andrew: I don't think people will be confused as much as they'll be intrigued.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean, so what? They're - I mean, you know.

Eric: Bonnie Wright is intriguing.

Andrew: [laughs] Yes. Well, them staring at each other and going in for the kiss is intriguing. What's up with this? Why is Bonnie going in for the - why is Ginny going in for the...

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: ...kiss? Why is Harry just standing still?

Eric: She's more of a man than he is!

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, apparently!

[Eric laughs]

Matt: She's a Gryffindor, she'll go for it.

Andrew: Well, I mean, I guess we'll have to see the context around this one. Go ahead, Penny.

Penny: She's also the more experienced one.

Matt: Oh yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, I guess so!

Matt: She's going out with everybody and their mom!

Eric: That's true, you know, we needed a girl on to recognize that for what it was!

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: It's experienced kissing.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Mhm. Well also, I think why people were kind of upset - because it was kind of a little too obvious that Harry liked Ginny. Was - that in the book, we only found all about that Harry kind of liked Ginny by inside his mind.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Because he never made it obvious, but the audience knew, so how can the audience know if they're not, you know, reading from inside Harry's mind?

Call: A Caller is Pleasantly Surprised

Andrew: Exactly. Let's take another call now. Riviere, I think I got your name right? Good morning.

Caller: Yeah. How are you?

Andrew: I'm good. How are you?

Caller: I'm very glad to be on the show because I am from France, so I can usually never join your live chats.

Andrew: Oh, yes. We're broadcasting nice and early this morning.

Caller: [unintelligible] it's great.

Andrew: Awesome. Now, you will represent the fans from France. When you first saw this trailer, what were your reactions, please?

Caller: I was really happy to see that the trailer really sticks to the movie. There are many steps you usually don't get in the movies that they included. Like I wasn't expecting to see the Death Eater attack on London, or even Draco when he looks in the mirror. I was really like - it was like I was reading the movie again. The [unintelligible] again.

Andrew: The book.

Matt: Yeah.

Caller: The book I mean. [laughs]

Andrew: That Draco shot was really cool!

Matt: Yes! He was in the bathroom, right?

Eric: It's at 1:32 in the bathroom. Yeah, he's looking into the mirror. I think that's so - I have it paused there at the moment, 1:32, and, like you said as well, the attack on London, the Death Eaters scene is just - even with completed special effects, looks amazing! You see the bridge begin to break away, and it's just - it's exciting, and...

Caller: Yeah, and did you see this kind of [unintelligible]?

Andrew: Yeah.

Caller: I think it was kind of the same smoke. I don't know if they used the same effects. Anyway, no, it was really great, and even seeing Voldemort at a different age, it was - I don't know. I think they're going to put a lot of [unintelligible].

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Riviere, if you had to respond to this trailer in French, what would you say?

Caller: In French? It was - I don't know, [speaks French]. Unexpected.

Andrew: Unexpected? All right. [laughs] Is that what that word meant? All right, thank you, there's our French lesson for today.

Caller: Just one thing, maybe. They show [unintelligible] too much, because in the end when you see Snape, I think he's in front of Hagrid's hut?

Andrew: Yeah he is, yeah.

Caller: And it burns when all the Death Eaters are around. So maybe it gives away too much of the story, but apart from that, I was really happy to see this.

Andrew: Yeah. All right, Riviere, thank you.

Caller: Thank you.

Andrew: All right, goodbye.

Eric: One thing they do have a lot of in this trailer too, is character treatment. That's what I liked about the movie too, the character treatment, that they seem to pay attention to everyone's character. Instead of trying to advance the plot, advance what happens, they focus more on everybody's character. Everybody gets a chance to act in this film; it's really quite nice, instead of saying - instead of it being a movie like in the earlier movies where Ron and Hermione might have one or two prominent lines and the rest are just throwaway lines to advance the plot, here they're actually - you can see that the actors have only gotten better and they're allowed to do stuff with their characters. It's pretty neat, which is kind of also why there are these scenes where Harry's like, "Well, I am the Chosen One," or "After all these years you just go with it." Surely that was written in the script, but it's just more focus on where these characters are at.

Andrew: Right. Right. All right, Inger - we'll get another call in here - Inger, good morning, you're on MuggleCast Live. We're live, its 10:30 AM, it's a Friday, the trailer just came out an hour and a half ago, what were your thoughts?

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