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Andrew: All right, welcome to our Beedle the Bard discussion. We just all finished reading the book - a little late compared to how quickly we did our Book 7 discussion. Do you remember that, Jamie?

Jamie: Oh, I remember that.

Andrew: When we were in London, once we finished - yeah, we all gathered...

Jamie: We got more listeners when we weren't there than when we were.

Andrew: Right. [laughs] Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: That was a success, wasn't it?

Andrew: Yeah, that was a lot of fun. So now we're here, we're all finished reading Beedle the Bard. Jamie, Matt and I are here in London and Micah and Laura are here via Skype. Hi, guys. And girls.

Laura: Hey.

Micah: Hey.

Andrew: So let's go around - well, first we're going to talk about the news of the week. And there's been so much Beedle the Bard news going around. Micah, do you want to take us through that?

News: Original Copy of Beedle the Bard Unveiled

Micah: Sure. The first piece of news that really kicked off the week was, there was an unveiling of an original copy of Beedle the Bard at the New York Public Library. And I think there was another one at the National Library of Scotland but we'll leave that alone because I didn't go there.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: I went to the one in New York City, and it was a cool event. They had Arthur Levine there from Scholastic as well as the president of the New York City Public Library. And they did a short press event and then unveiled the copy of Beedle the Bard that belonged to Arthur Levine. And...

Andrew: Ooh.

Micah: ...we got to go and take pictures and ask them questions, and it was a neat little event. But...

Jamie: He sounds like a fangirl.

Micah: What's that?

Andrew: Are you a fangirl?

Jamie: You a fangirl, Micah?

Micah: Of the original copy of Beedle the Bard?

Jamie: Arthur Levine.

Micah: [laughs] No.

[Matt laughs]

Tangent: Micah Obtains Faulty Harry Potter Poster

Andrew: Micah, I know you have this in the announcements, but do you want to tell your background poster story real quick? You might as well tell...

Micah: Okay.

Andrew: here, since you were there.

Micah: Sure. I was taking a picture...

Andrew: Wait, hold on. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. And I'll explain the - my part.

Micah: Well, I can explain your part, too, it's...

Andrew: All right, all right, go ahead.

Micah: ...part of the story. [laughs] I took a bunch of pictures of the glass case that this book was in. And behind the book - if you look at some of the pictures that are on MuggleNet - you can see that there's this poster in the background of the case. And it details what Beedle the Bard is and it also lists all the other books in the Harry Potter series. But if you notice - and as Andrew pointed out when I showed him the picture - that the books are not in sequence. So I think it's Order of the Phoenix actually is the second book in order. And so what happened was...

Andrew: Wait, hold on. The order went: Sorcerer's Stone, Order of the Phoenix, Chamber of Secrets, Prisoner of Azkaban, Goblet of Fire, Half-Blood Prince then Deathly Hallows. Which was weird. And I pointed that out to you. I was like, "Why is it out of order on that poster?" So, go ahead.

Micah: Right. So I said, well, Scholastic should know about this if they don't already. So I e-mailed one of the people over there and she responded to me and she said, "Yeah, you know, we knew about this, but we weren't able to fix it and get a reprinted version by the time we did the unveiling, but we'll fix it for when it actually goes on display at the New York Public Library."

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Wait, wait, so what are they doing with the one that's messed up?

Micah: Well, she said, "Since you were the first one to point it out, give me your address and I'll send you the poster."

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Jamie: No way!

Micah: Yup.

Jamie: eBay it.

Laura: That's cool.

Jamie: Wait, what's your...

Micah: I think she just wanted my address.

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: Hey! Hey, now. So that's pretty funny. You should have J.K. Rowling sign it and she'll be like, "How the hell did you get that?"

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, that's pretty cool...

Micah: Stole it!

Andrew: ...because it was sitting there right in front of the book and sitting there in the library right now. So that's cool.

Micah: Yeah, it's a cool story.

Jamie: Where are you going to put it?

Micah: Where am I going to put it?

Jamie: Yeah, the poster. Where you going to keep it? Are you going to put it in your bedroom, on your ceiling, so like...

Micah: [laughs] Yes, yes. Stare up at it every night.

Jamie: Yeah, just before you go to sleep.

[Micah laughs]

Jamie: Along with all your pictures of Arthur Levine.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: And then what else is going on, Micah?

Micah: I don't know. What else is going on?

Andrew: Well, Chrissy's report from...

Micah: How's London?

News: J.K. Rowling's Tea Party

Andrew: London's great. Chrissy's report from the J.K. Rowling tea party. Do you want to talk about that?

Micah: Yeah, she's a staff member of ours. She got a chance to go over to the tea party and kind of - speaking of fangirls - act like one and stand outside.

Andrew: Take pictures.

Micah: Take pictures. She seemed to really enjoy herself and was able to report for us that there were a couple of actors and actresses that were at this party as well.

Andrew: Yeah, Evanna Lynch. Who else? A couple other people. A couple other Harry Potter actors.

Micah: Yep, Matthew Lewis.

Andrew: Yeah. And one MuggleNet visitor actually just sent in a report from inside the tea party, because they won an essay contest. She said it was really fun and all of the kids were really excited to see Jo and all that. So...

Micah: No, I saw a picture of some of those kids. They did not look like they were in elementary school. I think they were lying.

Andrew: Well, kids look older here, Jamie, don't they? They age differently.

Jamie: I think they do.

Matt: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: It's the water.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: No, no, it's the tea.

Matt: Oh.

Micah: Oh, that's what it is.

Andrew: The tea.

Jamie: It's the British tea.

Matt: It's the English form of eating breakfast.

Andrew: And what else has been going on, Micah?

Micah: Well, you guys were - still are in London. How'd the show go earlier this week?

News: Live Show Was a Success

Andrew: That's right. Our show was a lot of fun. It was at the Waterstones Piccadilly Circus. We had, what, well over 300 people there, right?

Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: Oh yeah, like maybe six or seven hundred.

Jamie: Six thousand, maybe.

Andrew: A million people. [laughs] It was a lot of fun, and thank you to everyone who came out and said hello. We hung out with a lot of the people afterwards, and that was a lot of fun. And everyone got the book...

Jamie: Maybe we should just apologize to Josh Boulton's parents about that.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: There's a rumor going around that I insulted a kid by the name of Josh Boulton who we interact with on Facebook a lot, but I actually did not - I wasn't talk about him, for the millionth time. I was talking about someone else who was there.

Matt: Sorry, Josh.

Jamie: Sorry, Josh...

Andrew: Okay.

Jamie: ...on behalf of Andrew.

Andrew: Whatever. And then one last thing, Micah?

News: RDR Withdraws Appeal

Micah: Yeah. Back on Thursday, RDR Books coincidentally withdrew their appeal for the publication of a companion book by Steve Vander Ark. And it's just interesting that they did it on December the 4th, the same day that Beedle the Bard came out.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: That's a good coincidence.

Micah: Yeah.

Jamie: I'm sure it won't give them good press because everyone will be thinking about Beedle the Bard and not about Steve Vander Ark's book.

Andrew: Yeah, but I guess they figure the fan sites will post it, and while everyone is on the fan sites...

Jamie: That's true.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: It's lame.

Micah: But he's still making a book. It's still going to be published. It's just going to have the title of an unauthorized version of...

Andrew: Harry Potter and Beyond or something like that.

Micah: Something like that.

Jamie: Why doesn't he just give it up?

Andrew: [laughs] Why doesn't he just give it up?

Micah: Yeah.

Jamie: Move onto Twilight.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Matt: Get on the bandwagon, please.

Andrew: Okay. Was that it, Micah, for news?

Micah: That's all I've got, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, that RDR thing kind of annoys me, and I didn't post it the day it came out because obviously that's what they wanted.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: I waited until the next day, but still.

Announcement: MuggleCast Wins at 2008 Podcast Awards

Andrew: Announcements! MuggleCast won at the 2008 Podcast Awards in the Entertainment category. Didn't we talk about that already?

Micah: You may have talked about it on your live show.

Andrew: Oh, no we didn't.

Matt: No we didn't. We haven't talked about it.

Andrew: Okay, well, thank you, everyone, who voted for us in the 2008 Podcast Awards. That ceremony is actually a couple of hours from now. I don't think the show will be out before that, but Micah will be representing us. Thank you, Micah.

Jamie: No way, really?

Andrew: Well, it's live online. It's not in person.

Jamie: So unlike last year?

Andrew: Right. Right, right.

Jamie: Why aren't they doing it live?

Andrew: I don't know. Money?

Jamie: They can't afford it?

Andrew: I guess so!

[Matt laughs]

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: It's the economy.

Micah: The economy sucks.

Jamie and Matt: Yeah.

Announcement: MuggleCast at Azkatraz

Andrew: We have to use streaming. But that'll be fun. And then also don't forget that MuggleCast will be at Azkatraz 2009, July 18 - 21, I think. Something like that. We're going to be doing a podcast after the midnight release of Half-Blood Prince. So at like 3:00 AM we're going to be...

Matt: It's going to be good.

Andrew: We're going to be doing a podcast discussing the movie. Everyone's going to be really excited because it just came out.

Matt: Are going to try and go, Jamie?

Jamie: Yeah, definitely. Well, yeah, hopefully.

Andrew: Hopefully the economy will be better.

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Announcement: Podcast Alley

Andrew: And finally, don't forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley. It's MuggleCast Mecember, so don't forget to vote.

Matt: So we won for the 2008 Podcast Awards. So we can say it was MuggleCast 2000-mate?

Andrew: Sure.

Jamie: [unintelligible] as well.

Andrew and Matt: Yeah, mate.

Matt: And then next year will be 2000-mine.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Main Discussion: Beedle the Bard

Andrew: So let's move on to our main discussion this week. We're going to be talking all about Beedle the Bard, as I said earlier. We all finished reading it, and let's start off with our general thoughts about the book. Laura, how about you first? What - you just finished reading this, I think. What did you think of it?

Laura: You know, I was really surprised by how much I enjoyed it. I kind of expected to just get it and think, "Oh, that's nice. Fairytales." But I really enjoyed Dumbledore's commentaries because he has a very - and Micah and I talked about this - warped sense of humor.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Especially when he talked about Aberforth...

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: ...and his favorite story that his mom used to tell him.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: And there were just like a lot of really cool little things. Like when you open the book and it says, "Translated from the ancient Runes by Hermione Granger."

Jamie: Yeah...

Andrew: That was really cool.

Laura: Just nice little tidbits like that. I really enjoyed it.

Jamie: Wasn't he kind of arrogant though, Dumbledore? Like when...

Laura: He was!

[Micah laughs]

Jamie: That bit about the greatest wizards and then in the footnote it explained something about who are the important wizards, and it just says something like, "Like me."

Andrew: "Like me," yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: It was in there twice.

Jamie: Really?

Andrew: There was a, "Such as myself" thing.

Laura: Yeah, I was like - okay.

Andrew: [laughs] That was so funny. Well, Dumbledore kind of is a little cocky that way, don't you think?

Jamie: He is.

Andrew: Don't you think, sometimes? He's trying to be clever.

Jamie: I guess, like - she did it on purpose, because he's a flawed character and now all his flaws are coming out more so, you know...

Matt: Well, everyone talks about how he's the greatest wizard of all time. And I think he's just nodding to that fact.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: "Well, since everyone says so, I mean, that's me."

Jamie: Yeah, that's true.

Andrew: Yeah, Micah, did you get excited at that goat thing?

Micah: [laughs] No, no, no. [laughs]

Jamie: He's too into Arthur Levine now.

[Micah Laughs]

Jamie: No he's not.

Matt: He loves Levines.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Goats. No, I just - I agree with Laura. I mean, we talked about it earlier - just his perverted sense of humor - I wouldn't even call it warped - I would call it perverted, with some of the little stories that he references throughout the course of the book, which I'm sure we'll talk about - but I liked it. You know, I spent more time on the commentary than I did on the actually stories. You know, I agree with what Laura said. I thought it was going to kind of be one of those books that you just get and you're like, "Oh, it's nice to have."

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: And just spend a couple minutes looking through it. But the commentary definitely made it, for sure.

Andrew: Yeah. I really, really enjoyed it, too. I just thought the stories were so nice. And I read this on our way to Oxford the day after - or the day it came out. And it was just so relaxing, you know, sitting there traveling through the suburbs of London and reading this book. And it was - yeah - it was really fun. Dumbledore's notes really made it, but I also really, really, really enjoyed the tales too.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: More than I thought I would.

Jamie: I was expecting it to just be a collection of normal fairytales mixed with a bit of magic. I wrote a review - this journalist e-mailed me and asked me to write a review - I got it to him a bit late, but anyway, I said that I was expecting it to be like Snow White hunched over a cauldron with a wand and stuff, but it wasn't. It was really original and really, really fun. And I thought they taught moral tales and stuff - moral lessons which fairytales should do, really. Because that's the definition of fairytale, you know. So I think quite a bit of thought went into this book; it wasn't just written last minute to get it out for charity and stuff. I actually really enjoyed it. I think it stands alone away from Harry Potter, although obviously all the references to the books - and the "Translated by Hermione Granger" and Dumbledore's storyline adds to it for the hardcore fans. I thought it was awesome.

Matt: I really love the book, actually, a lot. I think - the only opinion I probably have which is kind of a selfish opinion is that I kind of wanted more stories from it because they were so good.

Andrew: I just wanted more!

Matt: I just wanted more! There were only five. At some point I looked at how far I was in the book and I kind of got upset because I read more than half in fifteen - half an hour.

Jamie: Read it twice then, Matt, then you'll have ten tales.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Yeah, or read it backwards and you get it in, what, Finnish?

Jamie: That's amazing!

Matt: I really love the drawings J.K. Rowling drew in the pictures, too. It was just really nice to see some of the pictures and things that went on it. Unlike Harry Potter where the drawings were at the beginning of the chapter for the U.S. version. But during the readings you got to see a little bit of what J.K. Rowling thought, because it's her drawings, so it's like what she envisioned the story was and things. So I thought it was really nice.

Jamie: She can draw pretty well.

Andrew: Yeah. I was impressed.

Jamie: It's not bad at all.

Andrew: All right. Let's move on to the main discussion. Micah, would you like to guide us through this please? Since you developed it ever so wisely.

Beedle the Bard Himself

Micah: Sure. Yeah. Well, the book opens up and you kind of get a little bit of a background on who Beedle the Bard was, even though it's pretty brief. That he lived in the 15th century and much of his life remains shrouded in mystery. So I think that just kind of set the tone for the book. You don't know a whole lot about this person, which is kind of J.K. Rowling style, I feel like. He was born in Yorkshire and had an exceptionally luxuriant beard. That kind of reminded me of Dumbledore a little bit.

Andrew: Yeah. Definitely.

Micah: So does the comment after that.

Matt: Yeah, sorry. That was me.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Andrew: I kind of thought it was interesting how J.K. Rowling compares the "Fountain of Fair Fortune" - she says:

"The tales are as familiar to many of the students at Hogwarts as 'Cinderella' and 'Sleeping Beauty' are to Muggle nonnmagical children."

And I was thinking, well, do those tales get developed in the movie too? Since Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty turned into profitable Disney films?

Matt: Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty in the Muggle world has been retold a million times. We know that the Beedle the Bard books have been redone at least once or twice.

Jamie: This is going to get picked up by Pixar or Disney.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Dumbledore's Commentary and Footnotes

Micah: What did you guys think of, and I know we talked about this a little bit already, but Dumbledore's commentary as a whole? And not only that, but how Rowling felt the need to comment on Dumbledore and what he wrote throughout the course of the book?

Andrew: I loved his commentary. Some of you guys were saying that it really made the book, and it was really fun to read, and I think it was a great way to get sort of a goodbye to Dumbledore, in a way, and I want to talk about this later on when we're talking about his final notes, because I thought there was a lot of meaningful things in those final notes. Yeah, they just added so much, and you get a lot of respect for Dumbledore, and it made the book really fun and enjoyable all around.

Matt: I really liked the footnotes too, when he did the notes. The little things where he went down to see the definitions of what this or that meant.

Andrew: Yeah. They were funny.

Matt: I had no idea that Dumbledore's notes would be so profound in this book. There's a lot of it.

Jamie: And they can stand alone. It's like literally criticism. He's a good writer. Well, she's a good writer, I should say. It actually reads like most of her books and stuff. But then I think she just feels the need to explain, because that's Dumbledore's character. He assumes people know that there are stands and experience level, and he doesn't think his readers to be complete beginners and so he'll assume a level of knowledge. So she explains stuff, I guess, and also tries to write something witty, I guess. If your a Muggle, she might have to explain some things.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I was just kind of thinking, wasn't there one point in the introduction where Jo stated that Dumbledore always sort of has a habit of writing a little less than what he knows? And I was just wondering if you guys picked up on anything that you felt like he wasn't giving you all the facts?

Andrew: Oh. Well, yeah, didn't Jo say that specifically about the tales of - "The Three Brothers."

Laura: "The Three Brothers?"

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, and I'm remembering there was something in there where I read it that I was like, oh, this is what she was talking about, but now I can't remember what it was.

Andrew: Really? I mean, Dumbledore, I'm going to [unintelligible] right now - I mean, he's really - he talks about the three important items: the Invisibility Cloak, the Elder Wand, and the Stone.

Matt: When he talks about the Elder Wand it seems like - yeah, you're right, Laura, he does kind of hold back some of the information. Like you think he's going to go somewhere with it and he just doesn't really deliver on it.

Laura: Mhm.

Jamie: Like, thinking about this book being a success or not, I just thought of something: since it is so important to Book 7, if she had messed up this book, the whole of Book 7 could've not made as much sense, would not have been as powerful. If this book read badly, then you'd think, well, basing an entire book on the Deathly Hallows and stuff, Dumbledore's excuse is a bit...

Andrew: Is lame, yeah.

Jamie: ...lame, yeah. So she actually had quite a - she undermined her entire Harry Potter series by turning this book into something that people don't really like.

Tale-by-Tale: "The Wizard and the Hopping Pot"

Andrew: That's true, yeah. That's really true. So let's go through the story now. We'll go book-by-book - or tale-by-tale.

Matt: Or story-by-story. Whatever.

Andrew: [laughs] And the first story was "The Wizard and the Hopping Pot." And this one really brought out Jo's cleverness, I thought, because there's a pot that hops, for crying out loud! And what's a brief summary of the story? I mean, basically, this hopping pot is going around making ruckus until a wizard actually starts helping the townspeople, right?

Jamie: Yeah, like his father used to do.

Matt: It's the son of this wizard who helps the Muggle village with all of their problems...

Andrew: Until he died.

Matt: ...until - yeah, until he died. And then the son, who was given the pot - or the cauldron - was - I guess didn't appreciate his father as much and didn't like the cause that he did. And he was just a very bitter person and just refused to do anything. So every time one of the Muggle villagers came up and asked for him to solve their problem for them, he denied it. And every time he denied it, it would just come back to him in the pot.

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: Kind of like the curses of the...

Matt: Yeah.

Jamie: Like a plague of locusts and stuff.

Matt: Mhm.

Jamie: And warts in a cauldron.

Matt: Yeah, and it would follow him, too, everywhere he went.

Micah: Yeah. That had to be a disgusting pot to follow you around. With all that disgusting stuff coming out of it.

Andrew: Yeah. It looks kind of gross.

Jamie: When he's sleeping, as well. Like...

[Micah laughs]

Matt: It's like bad milk and cheese and slugs coming out of it.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: Eh.

Andrew: And sour milk.

Matt: Same thing.

Andrew: Oh, yeah. [laughs] Yeah. So, it was a pretty good story. I think it was a good one to start it off. But let's talk about Dumbledore's notes, because they were pretty interesting, right, Micah?

Micah: Yeah. With the wizard going around and eventually helping out all the Muggles in the village, Dumbledore made a note that this particular Beedle tale was somewhat out of step with its time, because of the chance of persecution. You know, if you revealed yourself to be a wizard or a witch, you'd often end up being killed...

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: ...or - and I thought that was kind of interesting to hear him comment on this story, just because we learned in Deathly Hallows kind of his mentality early on in his life was to sort of have this dominant - you know, him and Grindewald were sort of - I don't know what the right word is, but they had this practice where they were thinking about dominating the Muggle world, and that wizards were the best and that sort of thing.

Andrew: Yeah. Well I mean, aren't fairy tales supposed to - are they supposed to be in step with their time, so to speak? I mean, you know, the whole not being persecuted for being a wizard, you know - I can't really think of an example where a fairytale was supposed to abide by all the laws that were going on in that current time.

Matt: Well was Grimm's - were the Grimm Brothers' during their time when they wrote the fairytales?

Andrew: I don't know. I've never read any of them. Have you, Jamie?

Jamie: I haven't read the original book, no.

Matt: I think it was even - no, I don't think it was their time, either, when they wrote it. So it was close to - what? Like the Middle Ages when they wrote them?

Jamie: I think so, yeah, the originals. But they've been translated so many times, I bet they bear no resemblance to what we read today and stuff. You know how it is.

Matt: Yeah. But everything is a little more lighter than the original version. So it was probably watered down...

Jamie: Right.

Matt: ...and Disneyfied.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Disneyfied.

[Matt and Micah laugh]

Andrew: We've also got the Nearly Headless Nick connection.

Micah: Yeah. We learn a little bit of a back story.

Andrew: Mhm.

Jamie: It's quite political, this stuff, really, as well. Like, you know, it's just - she just wants to give a history of the world, like in a wizarding sense. You know what I mean? Like, she wants to teach people a lesson and show how well you should accept everyone and stuff. It's just really marvelous, this book. Really, really marvelous.

Matt: Mhm.

Jamie: I think she's going to run for like Prime Minister of something.

[Andrew, Micah, and Laura laugh]

Micah: I don't think she has a chance...

Jamie: No I don't think she does...

Micah: you?

Matt: No, she's too young.

Micah: Nobody would vote her.

Laura: She'll write her autobiography.

Andrew: That's sort of like Oprah running for president.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean like, she has the popularity vote, but some people would be skeptical, sort of. What else, Micah?

Micah: Well, we also learn that there's a revised version of this story that's extremely anti-Muggle and promoted by the likes of a Malfoy and there's no surprise there. I don't think that an anti-Muggle version of the story wouldn't be promoted by someone in that family.

Andrew and Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Is this the one-this is not the one with the Lu-that's the next story. Never mind. The Lucius Malfoy connection that Dumbledore makes I thought was really interesting too.

Micah: Yeah, that was pretty funny.

Laura: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Andrew: We'll talk about that later, but...

Micah: And I think Jamie mentioned - or was it you, Andrew, earlier? About how Dumbledore starts referring to himself as a brilliant wizard.

Andrew: Yeah. "Such as myself." ĚHe says that...

Micah: A little arrogant...

Matt: Ho ho.

Andrew: Yeah. He's says that here, and then he says it in another story.

Jamie: He really is so arrogant.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, it is.

Laura: Although, I guess it...

Micah: I thought it was funny.

Laura: It's pointed out that at least in the context of the book, these were his private notes...

Jamie: Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: Oh, that's true.

Laura: ...he'd been taking, so he probably didn't know. [laughs]

Andrew: Doesn't it seem a bit cockier, though, when he's writing about himself to himself?

Laura: [laughs] To himself, yeah.

Jamie: Like he has to remind himself that he's amazing.

Matt: "Such as myself." You attracting young man.

Jamie: I think - like, I think with him - I don't think he's arrogant, he just - he just tries to do emotion out of stuff, because power and emotion has messed him up in the past. So he just...

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: I think he just keeps the fact, like, he thinks he's a pretty good wizard and everyone else does. It's just like in Book 7, rather than trying to be modest about it, yeah.

Micah: Yeah. There's a couple times during the series too, though, where he'llrefer to himself as being - you know - overly brilliant.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah. Wasn't Sorcerer's Stone when he said, like, "That was one of my more brilliant ideas..."

Jamie: Yeah, yeah.

Matt: "...and that's saying something."

Jamie: And then was it Deathly Hallows when they're when he picks Harry up, no, sorry, Half-Blood Prince, and they're walking along, and he says to him, "Harry, I don't think you'll be attacked tonight." And Harry's like, "Why?" And he's like, "You're with me."

Andrew: Oh, right.

Jamie: You know.

Andrew: It's sort of like a bittersweet moment.

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: We got introduced to a character that comes up a couple of times throughout this book: Beatrix Bloxam. And she's kind of the anti version of fairy tales, it seems like. And she tries to recreate them so that they're these pure stories that don't have any sort of real-world application to them. And...

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: ...what it reminded me of, and I actually had this in the notes that I took but somebody sent in an e-mail, was I thought Rowling was going directly at Laura Mallory when she created this character.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Because of the way that she's described and the...

JKR Takes Shot at Laura Mallory

Andrew: Weird, yeah, let's read the e-mail, it's from Steven. It says:

"I finished reading Beedle the Bard yesterday and I thought it was great. J.K. Rowling did an excellent job as always. I was wondering if any of you thought, like I did, when reading Dumbledore's notes on "The Wizard and the Hopping Pot," that JKR was poking fun at Laura Mallory. I am speaking specifically about page seventeen in the UK version which reads, well, you know, we know what it says. When I read this I almost thought it was like an inside joke. While it would still be funny to the casual reader, to those of us who found all things Potter would have something extra to laugh at. The icing on the cake is that our favorite Idiot of the Year would never know that JKR was making fun of her because she will probably never read the book."

Jamie: Hmm.

Andrew: Laura, given that you live in the same state as Laura Mallory, what do you think?

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Do you think there's a connection?

Laura: Um, well, I mean - yeah, I don't it's a specific connection because also when I read this I thought of Umbridge.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh, yeah!

Laura: And how she was constantly trying to sort of change what everybody was thinking and protect - so-called protect the minds young wizards. I think it's just meant more to sort of poke fun at people who are pro-censorship and...

Matt: Yeah!

Laura: ...want to alter certain things. So...

Micah: Like Laura Mallory.

Laura: Yes, like Laura Mallory, but I don't think it's specific. I mean - she could've been thinking of her.

Andrew: Do you think Laura Mallory would approve or disapprove of this book?

Laura: Oh, I think she would approve of the rewritten version...

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: ...of "The Hopping Pot."

[Micah laughs]

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Maybe if she saw that...

Laura: I mean, it's very...

Andrew: What?

Laura: I mean, it's very - you know - like, if you listen to this: "And Wee Willykins huggled the hoppitty pot." Like, ew. I think she'd love it.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: It's insulting to children as well - like, it treats them bad. It's really patronizing, the revised story.

Matt: Yeah.

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