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MuggleCast 171 Transcript

Show Intro

[Intro music plays]

Andrew: And good Thursday evening to everybody. Here we are, and just nine hours ago, Warner Brothers decided, "Hey, let's surprise the fans again!" And a new trailer has been released. I'm here with Eric, Matt, and Micah. Hello, ladies.

[Prolonged silence]

Andrew: Hello?

Eric: I don't see any ladies here.

Matt: I know. What are you talking about, dude?

Eric: Do you see any ladies, Micah?

Andrew: I'm sorry about that. Ben is supposed to be here, too, but the nerve of these people who, you know, they come on this show, and its like, "Oh, I'm a big time host, I can show up whenever I want now." So Ben will show up whenever he decides to. But what were the chances? What were the chances, ladies and gentlemen, that we were going to have a trailer the same day our live show was planned?

Micah: Oh, what a coincidence.

Andrew: What a coincidence.

Micah: That's just amazing.

Andrew: Well, here's the funny story: Matt, Laura, Micah, and I were recording episode 171 last night, and literally wrapping up the show, "Well, okay, bye you guys, bye!" and I see WB's calling, and I'm like, "Oh, crap." Because it's either really good news or really bad news with WB. So I don't answer it until after we're done recording, and then, you know, talk on the phone. And, long story short, trailer tomorrow. And then I tell Matt, Micah, and Laura, and it's like a collective, "Ugh!"

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Because we had just finished recording the other show. Not because we have, you know, a new trailer. That's, of course, very exciting.

Matt: We're still going to release that episode, right?

Andrew: Yes, of course. Yes, that'll be out over the weekend.

Matt: Okay.

HBP Trailer Discussion

Andrew: So, let's talk about this trailer. I think everyone's really excited that another one came out. And look at this, WB's actually keeping up on their promise that we would have a trailer, or that - remember - what's his face? That guys behind WB who does - oh, Alan Horn, that's it. He was like, "Oh, yeah, we're going to be, you know, we're going to keep the fans occupied. We know we got to keep them happy with this extra long wait."

[Prolonged silence]

Andrew: Isn't that right? [laughs]

Matt: Yeah. [laughs] That didn't really sound like the end of a conversation, so I was waiting for the end.

Andrew: No, that was pretty much the end. Anyway, let's talk about some of the big things in this trailer. Let's start with the overall feelings of this trailer. I mean, is this the darkest one yet? That's the end of the sentence, by the way.

Matt: Oh.

Eric: Question mark.

Matt: I think it's the most somber of them yet.

Andrew: It's very depressing.

Matt: Yeah. Kind of makes you want to dye your hair black and part it to the side.

Andrew: And wear tight black pants and put on Paramore shirts from Hot Topic.

Matt: Yes. Is that a shot at me?

Micah: I can't really say that, to be honest.

Andrew: What? What, Micah?

Micah: I don't think it would make me want to do that, to be honest.

Andrew: [laughs] Well what did you think of the trailer?

Eric: What Micah is saying is that he needs a whip.

[Andrew laughs]

A Lot of the Same Stuff

Micah: No, what I thought of the trailer - and I don't want to rain on anybody's parade here - production-wise I thought it was a great trailer.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: But content-wise, I wasn't thrilled.

Andrew: Why not?

Micah: It felt like a lot of the same stuff that we've already seen. We got a couple of new scenes, as I'm sure we're going to talk about, but overall there was a lot of the same for me. I feel like I'm on American Idol right now.

Andrew: [laughs] Yo, yo, dog, yo, it was just a lot of the same, man. I wasn't feeling it, I wasn't feeling it.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Exactly. It's not what we saw during Hollywood Week.

Andrew: No.

Eric: But it's coming back for the wild card, you guys know that, right?

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. I was just about to make that joke. So, listen, Eric, what did you think of it? Do you think it's reflective of the movie? Of this PG movie?

Eric: Actually, I've only been able to listen to it. My laptop screen died...

Andrew: What?

Eric: Just as I was turning it on earlier today. Yeah, my laptop screen is shot. This laptop has been with me since, oh, not the beginning of MuggleCast, okay, so it's not that dramatic, but yes, I've only been able to listen to the trailer. But I was worried at first. I was like, "Oh great," you know? My initial reaction was like, what more can they give away? Like, what more scenes from the movie can they possibly reveal? Because personally, I feel like when I heard there was a trailer, I feared, "Oh great, WB has had this film in the can way too long." That what we've seen before, with them overdoing clips, giving pretty much the whole movie out for download to people before the movie came out. I was worried that it was going to be more new stuff, making the actual film not as cool. But I guess I like the tone of this trailer. That's all I can say until I see it...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: ...but I like the tone of this trailer and I agree with what you guys are saying.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, look, it's a really dark trailer, and even the ending was very sad. There wasn't that climatic build up that we've seen in other trailers before.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Matt, what did you think? Disagree? Agree?

Matt: I think I kind of agree with a little more Micah than the rest. I really like the scenes that we got to see. A couple of them were really cool, but, you know, I just wasn't feeling this trailer. Because a little bit - it was too somber for a Harry Potter trailer. Because we always see a big upshot at the very end...

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: ...not an upshot but an upset at the end, and I just wasn't seeing it. I guess I didn't really see what they were trying to go for, what they were trying to appeal to the audience with this trailer. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.

Andrew: Ben's joining us now. Hey, Ben, thanks for coming on, you know, five minutes late. It's not that big of a deal. You're a big star now, so you can show up whenever you want.

Ben: I know. Well you didn't call me. I told you I wanted a text message, I need text messages.

Andrew: You never told me that! You never told me that. Anyway, as everyone may remember, our last live show, Ben at the end of the show had a vision where he predicted when the next trailer will come out, and he didn't get the date exactly, but he got it pretty close. Let's replay that now in case you forgot.

Ben Predicts Trailer's Release Date

[Ben making gasping sounds]

Matt: What the hell?

Andrew: Trelawney?

Ben: The new trailer will come out - on February 27th.

Andrew: Whoa.

Matt: Jeez!

Andrew: So there you go. Ben predicted - Ben, do you remember that? Because you seemed very flustered after you had that vision.

Ben: No, I remember flashes of it, but...

Andrew: Yeah. It was...

Matt: Were you constipated?

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Sounds like it.

Andrew: [laughs] Well so February 27th, that's not bad! That's a week ago come tomorrow, so that wasn't bad. Good job. Maybe you didn't read the tea leaves correct or something.

Ben: Awfully close.

Andrew: Yeah, it was pretty close. Okay so we have a few things to go through about this trailer. By the way, Ben, what'd you think of the trailer overall? We're going to get in specifics in a minute.

Ben: Trailer. Well, I watched it in HD, like...

Andrew: Show off.

Ben: A lot of people. But the quality was just awesome.

Andrew: Mhm.

Ben: I thought the quality was great. It looks like it's going to be another good movie, I mean...

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: All good.

Andrew: Mhm.

Harry Potter Films Need That "Wow" Factor

Ben: But the thing about the Harry Potter movies - I want to get this out there - is they're all good movies. I think everyone can agree on that. But there isn't one that transcends greatness.

Andrew: [laughs] What do you mean?

Ben: Like Lord of the Rings movies.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: There's not one that stands out? Is that what you're saying or what?

Ben: Well, I mean, Harry Potter movies are - they seem to be the movies that people see because Harry Potter is a very popular thing. You know what I mean?

Andrew: Right.

Ben: They're not - I don't feel that they're the type of movie that somebody really wants to go see because it's true cinematic excellence in the same way as Lord of the Rings.

Andrew: Mhm.

Ben: And that's kind of what I'm anticipating with the rest of the movies. That's what I'm hoping, that's what I'm looking for. That's what I'm holding out for, you know?

Andrew: Mhm.

Ben: There's something that really just says "Wow." You guys understand what I'm saying?

Andrew: No, I understand what you're saying. I think - there seems to be - and this trailer really helps what I'm thinking. The film has become so - and I guess all the trailers are this way - so beautiful. I really feel like there's something different about this one.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Maybe it's that it's the darkest yet. I don't know there's just something so extra epic about it.

Film Texture

Matt: It does seem very water-colored, I guess I could say.

Andrew: There's a lot of single colored...

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: It's like blue shots and green shots.

Matt: Very smooth-edged. It's not as sharp as the original movies were.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: You know what I'm talking about?

Andrew: Yeah. And do you guys remember...

Ben: Yeah, yeah. Go ahead, sorry.

Andrew: Do you remember with the first trailer, we saw these scenes of young Dumbledore going to visit young Riddle, and it wasn't all blurry like this is.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Do you remember that?

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: So what's the difference here? Is it just that the special effects are done and this is the memory? I mean, it is the memory. I just thought that was interesting.

Matt: Mhm.

Ben: Well, I mean, it would make sense for the memory to be a bit blurred because I think the point that we're trying to get across there is that - Jo's kind of stressed that memories are subjective in a way, I think.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Well actually, I think when Emerson asked her if it was subjective, she made it sound like it wasn't. So I don't know, but personally - I mean, I think everybody knows that memories are a subjective thing.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: So the fact that it's a bit blurry makes sense.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay, this is going to sound really messed up, but so - wouldn't it be funny if you saw what people were thinking during that memory, too? So like, you know, since Dumbledore...

Eric: You can't see thoughts, man.

Andrew: So, you know, Dumbledore may be having a dirty thought or two. [laughs]

Matt: What is with you trying to make Dumbledore some dirty old man?

Andrew: No! We know he's not, but I'm just saying...

Matt: But you're always trying to say it.

Andrew: Okay, whatever.

Eric: I think the purpose of a Pensieve - wasn't it explained in Book 4 - that it actually fleshes out the memory a little bit more, makes it a little bit more realistic. Like you can travel and see what other people are doing in your memory, even if you aren't within earshot, as Harry does in Book 5.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: And so it's kind of like that is - I think J.K.R. called it "the magic of the Pensieve." So - but then, you see Slughorn and he's able to manipulate the memory - albeit poorly - but you can guess by what Dumbledore says that it can be done a little bit more professionally to edit the memory. But you can still do it.

Andrew: Right. Well, here's what we'll do. We'll go piece through piece, I guess you would say, through the trailer. I thought there was going to be - oh, here we go. So, the big thing with this is that there's Dumbledore - it's his narration. So let's listen to that and then we'll discuss it. By the way, people on Ustream are watching this live, so...

Eric: Oh, Andrew.

Andrew: What?

Eric: One thing I wanted to mention, I have seen the trailer now. I plugged it into my TV.

Andrew: Oh, nice.

Eric: Yeah. I love it.

Andrew: Good job. Here we go.

Matt: Thank god.

Edited Dialogue

[Trailer clip plays]

Andrew: So it's pretty epic. I mean - [laughs] - and this goes back to that other trailer where there's big musical build up. [hums tune] "I want you to see it." Boom! So what do you guys think...

Matt: Yeah!

Andrew: ...of Dumbledore's narration? Is this actually in the film? Like, is this Dumbledore talking to Harry?

Matt: It doesn't seem like it to me because it seems very choppy. They just edited it from what he was telling Harry.

Andrew: Well I guess Eric would have the answer.

Matt: Oh yeah.

Andrew: In a way, though, I don't want to know. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, I can't say definitively that this was in the movie, is the thing, which is what's shocking about it...

Andrew: So was there only a part or something?

Eric: Well, I just can't guarantee that that dialogue is in there. I mean obviously it's cut, or it sounds cut, but I actually think that a lot of this, for narration's sake, was actually - obviously it was redubbed - but Michael Gambon in this movie is, as I've said before, really cares or appears to care a whole lot more about the character and I wouldn't be surprised if he came back and did this narration because it's just that awesome. I don't remember his being exactly like, "I knew this boy who did all the wrong choices." Blah blah blah.

Andrew: Oh okay.

Eric: I really doubt, actually, that that is in the movie like that...

Andrew: I think it'd be pretty sick if he did this just for the movie, or just for the trailer. I mean, and then there was also - I remember we were making fun of that - I guess it was the IMAX trailer, when he was like mumbling and we were joking that he just went into the studio real quick, did one take, and got out of there.

Eric: Yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, so I don't know. So Eric definitively says he doesn't remember it being exactly this way, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Matt: Mhm.

Dumbledore's Tone

Andrew: But Dumbledore had - what'd you guys think of Dumbledore's tone? It was very weak. There was a...

Matt: Well he's dying...

Andrew: Yeah I know. [laughs] We'll talk about the black hand in a bit because you do see it pretty clearly in this trailer. But what'd you think of his tone? Was it - fill in the blank. Matt?

Matt: Somber. Dying.

Andrew: Awesome, awesome.

Eric: Okay, Micah?

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: [laughs] I like somber. I think that's probably the perfect word to describe it.

Matt: Thank you.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, it just felt so nice. I have so much faith in Michael Gambon now. I love it.

Eric: Yeah, I'm going to say bookish.

Andrew: Bookish? What, his tone?

Eric: That's my word for it, yeah.

Andrew: Okay.

Matt: I know what you're going to say, Andrew.

Andrew: Gay?

Matt: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: No, I was not going to say gay.

Eric: Pretty and witty and gay.

Andrew: [laughs] No, I was not going to say that. He does not sound like that at all. He sounds very serious and dying. I think that was good. I think that was accurate.

Riddle Opens a Cabinet That's On Fire

Andrew: Now, let's go through a couple of things in particular that we saw of interest. Tom Riddle opening the cabinet on fire. Matt, you want to talk about that?

Matt: Yeah, he opens a cabinet that's on fire.

Andrew: Can you be more descriptive than that?

[Ben laughs]

Matt: Yeah. He opens it slowly and kind of slowly looks in, and the cabinet's on fire.

Andrew: I'm sorry - you're so good, thanks.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: I'm going to sound like an idiot, but I don't remember that...

Matt: Yeah, remember? Tom Riddle likes to keep mementos of his victims, and in that little box is what he keeps.

Andrew: Oh, right.

Matt: Because I think Dumbledore knew or something, didn't he? Where it was?

Andrew: I can't remember...

Matt: I can't remember.

Andrew: Anyone remember?

Matt: Gah!

Young Tom Riddle

Andrew: It is pretty cool though. Young Tom Riddle - there's a lot of new footage of him in this. I mean, there's a lot that we've seen before, but he looks very - he looks great. His eyes are just piercing and like...

Matt: He looks fantastic! He must've gotten work done.

Andrew: [laughs] Right.

Eric: [laughs] Excuse me, excuse me, who does your eyes? We're wondering.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Eric? Eric, how the hell are you?

[Matt laughs]

Eric: I'm good, Ben. How're you doing?

Ben: Oh, I'm doing well. I just haven't heard from you. We're neighbors, what's up with this?

Eric: Yeah, I know! Ask Dylan, man. He lives like ten blocks from me and I haven't seen him.

Matt: Yeah, ladies, I hate to interrupt tea time, but we are talking about the trailer.

Eric: Yeah, so this trailer...

[Matt laughs]

Eric: Like what you're saying about young Tom Riddle being - I mean, he looks exactly how the book describes him when he opens the flaming cabinet. He looks fearful of what's inside, you know, obviously it's that box of all the little relics he took from his classmates.

Luna Finding Harry on the Train

Andrew: And then - what about - a lot of people are commenting about this. Luna, when she spots Harry in the train - but the big problem is - I guess it's fact that she can't see through the - well she shouldn't be able to see through the Invisibility Cloak?

Matt: Yeah it's a Deathly Hollow - or Halo. Hallow.

Andrew: Hallow.

Eric: Halo?

Andrew: I don't know. Eric, what did you think about that? I mean what do you think is up with that? Was that in the movie?

Eric: Yeah, okay they replaced that with Tonks finding her - I think it's instead of Tonks finding him they have Luna finding him. I'm actually not sure if she can see him through the Spectrespecs but I think that's how it plays out and if she does then that's kind of cool because it verifies that - I don't know, maybe the Spectrespecs aren't entirely useless, you know, if they can somehow see.

Andrew: Yeah?

Eric: Actually I think it's a bunch of Nargles or something are floating around the area where Harry is. It's really interesting - they do it like little bugs or something that the Spectrespecs can see and I think that's how she sees him which is - which is really awesome. And it wouldn't be surprising. I mean some people who are defending the canon will say, hey, that's dumb, because nothing can see the Invisibility Cloak, let alone a Deathly Hallow one, but I think it was really cool and I think not a lot of people would have put faith in Spectrespecs or expect that - expect them to be effective in this way.

Matt: Is it me or does it seem really similar to what Mad-Eye Moody's eye can do? In that little shot, you know how it kind of zoomed in on Harry?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah sort of. But it's sort of like - what's that called - those - well you put your eye through and you look up to the light. What are those toys called?

Matt: A telescope?

Andrew: No...

Eric: Kaleidoscope.

Andrew: Kaleidoscope. Yeah, it's sort of like - it's sort of like that. I mean that's how it's functioning. So - so and you - hold on...

Micah: There's a problem though.

Andrew: Okay, go ahead.

Micah: The only thing I was going to say is that you're deviating away from the actual story and you're making the Cloak able to be seen through yet again.

Eric: Hm, maybe not seen through. Like I said, I mean she kind of guesses Harry is there or he sees her and shouts out.

Andrew: But like...

Eric: I don't think it's a definitive see-through sort of thing.

Andrew: But our point of vision is through her Spectrespecs and you can clearly see him like - you know what I mean? But I do see those things around his head. So Eric, you're saying that they added those things to [dog barks] unlock - whoa, Eric - keep your thoughts to yourself.

Eric: Sorry, I have a dog. Wait a sec I got to - I got to get the dog. Hang on.

Andrew: Okay. Well so...

Ben: Hey, Andrew...

Andrew: Yes Ben?

Ben: I'm an idiot - I just spent the last three minutes trying to talk...

Andrew: And your mic was muted?

Ben: I would try to say something - yeah, my mic was muted.

Andrew: Well, what can I say? You're not as professional as you used to be. You show up late, you don't know how your mute button works.

Ben: I know and I - you know I just learned something. I just heard that people on Ustream can actually see you right now?

Andrew: Yes they can. I'm live on Ustream.

Ben: So - so are you like making faces at comments that people make?

Andrew: I am not!

Ben: Like you're just sitting there... [laughs]

Andrew: I am not!

Ben: And when someone says something stupid you're just making a really screwed-up face.

Andrew: I write a sign and I hold up - and it reads "he's stupid". No, no I don't do anything like that. I'm just sitting here.

Ben: Well, so - so can I watch you right now? Or is it going to screw up...

Andrew: You probably shouldn't - I mean you'll start hearing yourself echo. I mean it will be recorded so you can look at it later. I know you're dying to check me out but...

Ben: I can't do it later Andrew I have a source - I have a source that tells me that you do make faces.

Andrew: I made one face - I made one face when Eric and you - when you and Eric were shooting the breeze. That was it though.

Ben: Hey, don't be making faces.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay.

Ben: I don't like faces.

Andrew: I'm not, I'm done. Completely done.

Ben: Perfect.

Andrew: Those guys ratted me out so I can't trust them anymore. Anyway, I'm kind of weirded out about that - the - Micah what do you think about that? The particles around his head to reveal him? Sort of?

Micah: Well, didn't Eric just suggest that they were Nargles?

Andrew: Are Nargles...

Micah: Are you not supposed to be able to see them?

Andrew: They look like gnats though.

Micah: Maybe that's what gives him away, as opposed to the Invisibility Cloak if she's able to see something going on above his head. I don't know, it's really weird.

Matt: Well you know when - when you like hit your head or something you see dots?

Micah: Yeah that's what it reminded me of, like an old cartoon where there'd be birds flying around the person's head who got knocked out.

Andrew: Yeah. Well I'm just reading the definition about them. They are fleas - they are like fleas, ticks but a little bit bigger. And they were described in - in Order of the Phoenix.

Dumbledore's Hand

Andrew: But, and then the other thing that was particularly interesting was - where am I going here? Let's see - point - the 1:10 mark when Dumbledore and Harry are in the lake and Dumbledore is casting a spell - and you actually get a pretty good shot of Dumbledore's black hand.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: It looks just black to me. Now, I don't know how you're supposed to picture it. I mean, actually 1:09 has the better - but it just looks like it, you know, like he just stuck it in soot or something.

Matt: Yeah. Or it looks like he accidentally spilled an ink well or something.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. [laughs] I hope they didn't mess that effect up.

Eric: Oh, didn't I tell you guys? They changed that, too. He actually dips his hand in ink. By accident...

Andrew: Oh. You see?

Eric: It's cursed ink, really.

Matt: Well that makes sense.

Andrew: No. That doesn't make sense. They make these changes to shorten up the film. So what is he, just like, opening shot of the movie, he's like in his office and then writing a note to his lover, and then [makes pop noise] "Whoops!"

Matt: Stop it!

Eric: Who would his lover be, Andrew?

Andrew: I don't know anyone. How does it look in the movie - Eric, it wasn't complete in the movie?

Eric: No, it wasn't.

Andrew: He just had a green glove, right?

Eric: Actually, no, it was for one of the scenes. It was the train scene when the - no, no, I'm not going to say that. The beginning of the film, or towards the beginning of the film, there was a shot where it was complete. It looked great. It looked better. I haven't seen this, I can't watch it in High-Def on my TV, but it looks fine in the film.

Andrew: We have it up on the stream now, and it's actually kind of hard to see. But I mean, yeah it's - it just basically look like he stuck it in asphalt or something.


Eric: No, it's a blackened, deadened hand, I'm pretty sure - whose dog is that now?

Andrew: What is this? Are we - Do we live in pet stores? What's going on? Matt, was that you? I'm going to blame Matt this time. Yeah, he muted his stream.

Matt: Yeah, that was me. Someone got shot or something so the dogs were barking.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

[Eric laughs]

Matt: Yeah, I'm back at home, that's why.

Andrew: Yeah, by the way, people in that chat are all like, "Why isn't Matt on camera?" Well first of all, I'm the hostess with the mostest, so you're going to see me. And second of all...

Matt: He gets jealous when I get all the thunder away from him.

Andrew: Matt's not even in here. He's an hour-and-a-half away right now. He's in...

Eric: You guys are away? You're spending time apart?

Andrew: He's in a new studio in Palm Springs. We're testing it.

Ben: A new studio.

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: As in his studio apartment?

Ben: He keeps on trying to beat us down, but MuggleCast keeps on rolling.

Andrew: Keeps on ticking, baby. Okay, well some other...

MuggleSpace Plug

Ben: Well, I'd like to take the time now...

Andrew: Oh! What's that?

Ben: To do...

Andrew: Are we breaking for an ad?

Ben: To invite everybody who's listening to enjoy MuggleSpace, the ultimate Harry Potter social network, and the most popular Harry Potter social network online.

Matt: Yes.

Ben: We have over 13,000 members - close to 14,000- 13,780. And last show - were we trying to get 10,000? Was that what the game was?

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Let's go for 14,000.

Andrew: I don't think it will happen because we didn't get to 10,000 last time. [laughs]

Ben: Yeah.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Ben: With that attitude, it'll never happen. It'll never happen with that attitude.

Andrew: Okay.

Ben: And everyone coming to the chat for some fun play-time with Ben Schoen.

Andrew: We just lost about 500 listeners as you did that ad, so thanks.

Eric: They all want to play with Ben.

Andrew: No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

Eric: They're going to come back.

Ben: You're probably making a face. That's probably why they left.

Andrew: [laughs] No, I wasn't. I was making a very happy, thumbs-up picture.

Eric: This live MuggleCast is brought to you by the Caption Contest.

[Ben says something unintelligible]

Andrew: Everyone stop.

Eric: Visit the Caption Contest for all of your humor needs.

[Ben laughs]

Matt: Why is everyone talking at the...

Andrew: All right, thank you guys.

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: Anyway, back to the...

Ben: Andrew! Andrew! Next time, can I be on the camera?

Andrew: If you're here, yes. Otherwise...

Ben: I'll have to fly all the way out to LA.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Yes.

Ben: Is that how it is?

Andrew: Yeah. Maybe there's some money in the budget.

Eric: Dude, there's no money there. You know there's no money there.

McGonagall Gazes at the Sky

Andrew: There is no money there. Okay, well let's talk about some other things. 1:22 - and this - it's the shortest shot, but it just stands out because her eyes are just popping out of her head. McGonagall is, you know, looking outside of Hogwarts, and then she looks up. What is she looking at? The Dark Mark?

Matt: The sky.

Andrew: Well, the sky, but the Dark Mark? Any theories there? She suddenly jolts her head up. Micah?

Micah: Yeah, I think the Dark Mark is probably a good guess.

Andrew: It's kind of sad, though. How she looks so sad, doesn't she?

Micah: She looks scared.

Matt: She looks very helpless.

Andrew: Yeah, she does look scary. But it just looks...

Micah: Not scary. Scared.

Andrew: Scared.

Matt: But it could also be when Hagrid's hut catches on fire.

Andrew: Ah, maybe. Yeah, because it actually - like throwing it back to Prisoner of Azkaban, you know how that one area of Hogwarts where you can run right out of, and then you just run down the hill? To Hagrid's hut?

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: It sort of looks like...

Matt: But Hagrid's hut moves every single movie, so...

Andrew: I know. I know.

Matt: So only God know where this one is this year.

Andrew: But is sort of looks like that. But I just love it, and all these scenes, and the Ron and Hermione looking up into the sky, that's a throw back to the back of the Half-Blood Prince cover.

Matt: Yeah, that's really cool, I really like that.

A Dark Movie

Eric: Yeah, very ominous. I think, this trailer, with you guys saying it's all somber, and kind of, not even your cup of tea, compared with the other ones. I like this a lot, in that it shows the darker side of the movie. It's not all, you know, the jovial school stuff which we've seen time and time again, but it actually shows that this is a darker film, as it should be.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: I mean, looking at this you wouldn't think that it is a PG movie but I guess it still is, but it shows the darker side of it, which is really good. I mean, from this trailer wouldn't you guys say that you think that it's at least as dark as the movies have been? Or...

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: But...

Eric: That's the rewarding thing in this trailer.

Matt: But, I don't think it's as balanced as the other ones are, because, you know, they keep saying in all the previous interviews and things like that, that Half-Blood Prince is more, you know, funnier.

Andrew: [laughs] We're having a laugh with this one, and then this trailer comes out and it's like the saddest thing ever.

Matt: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Yeah, but they don't show Dumbledore dying in this one, so...

Matt: Well that would be a big spoiler. Why would you even go see the movie after that?

Andrew: Well, because it's part of the book, that's why. [laughs]

Matt: Well, I know, but that's the biggest spoil of the entire movie.

Eric: Sometimes they do that.

Matt: I'm only going to see Dumbledore die.

Andrew: Well, that's not nice.

Matt: Oh, well, they better have it in the film.

The Music

Andrew: Well, what else is there to talk about? Somebody, what did you guys think of the music? Somebody - I just got a P.M., and by the way don't P.M. me when I'm doing the show and ask, "What's up?" You know what's up. I'm podcasting. That's what's up.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: You don't need to P.M. me. Anyway, somebody, I'm going to get the name up here, A-R-O-U-S-H-K-A was asking what we think of the trailer - or the music. What do you guys think of the music? I liked it.

Matt: Yeah, it's pretty good.

Andrew: It was just somber, was there anything new Matt? Did you pick anything up that was new?

Matt: Well, I honestly don't think it's from the soundtrack, but...

Andrew: No.

Matt: I think just the music was just there to stay in the background; I don't think it was there to stand out. Just like in the previous trailers.

Eric: Why was it not in the - Why don't you think it's in the soundtrack?

Matt: Hmm?

Eric: Why don't you think it's in the soundtrack?

Matt: Oh, I don't know. I just feel like I've heard it before.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: Well, I mean, and plus what they do is they pick like - they get music from that database of stuff.

Eric: Yeah, that's true. It could be a hundred similar things from other movies.

Andrew: Yeah. You know what I'm saying.

Astronomy Tower

Matt: Hey, I know we don't have it written down to talk about it, but I was just looking through it and what do you guys think about the aerial shot of the Astronomy Tower?

Andrew: What's the time code? Time code please.

Matt: Time code: 34.

Andrew: 34.

Matt: 34 seconds.

Andrew: Oh yeah, and you can see Dumbledore up there.

Matt: Yeah, and you can see the telescope.

Andrew: Oh my God, that's so sad. That's a long fall. That's a long fall.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: No, because in the book does it look, do you picture it that high up?

Matt: Well when I read the book it didn't look that high. All I saw were words.

Andrew: It is so high up. I never even realized that. Sorry, I just had to...

Micah: If it's any consolation he was already dead before he fell.

Andrew: Yeah, but its still, it's still - but it's still quite terrible.

Matt: It's still pretty high.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Andrew: That's like saying, his body went in the lawnmower, but he was dead before it happened so who cares? Bad analogy?

Eric: There's a good view of the Hogwarts front gates right after that view of the Astronomy Tower.

Andrew: Yeah, which is odd because...

Matt: Well after you can see a little bit of the river and the lake.

Andrew: We need time codes guys.

Eric: 35 seconds.

Andrew: Matt, 35 seconds?

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Right after the Astronomy Tower. Time stamp.

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