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Micah: Because it's all coming back, this is MuggleCast Episode 174, for May the 8th, 2009.
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Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 174, it's May! Happy May to you all! And guess who's back with us this week?
Andrew: As promised, Jamie Lawrence...
Andrew: ...Has made his epic return.
Andrew: Jamie, what do you have to say to our listeners?
Andrew: Welcome back to the show.
Jamie: Thank you, thank you. I'm feeling too rusty to say anything, really.
Jamie: It feels weird, it doesn't feel natural yet. I think I'll get into it, I'll get into it soon. But I wouldn't...
Jamie: ...I wouldn't call it epic yet, because we should probably wait until we've finished recording it just in case it turns out that it's not epic.
Jamie: I hope it will be epic, though.
Andrew: A lot rides on the British Joke of the Day, as well.
[Matt and Andrew laugh]
Matt: He's like, "Awww, I forgot!"
Eric: Jamie, there is one, right?
Jamie: Of course there is one.
Eric: Ah, ok.
Jamie: What a silly question! [laughs]
Eric: Well see, we've done that before, the little prelude, with the - you know, hyped it up, and then there hasn't been one.
Eric: I just wanted to make sure.
Micah: Well, now you've given him about forty minutes to go ahead and get one ready.
Eric: [laughs] Yeah.
Jamie: Aww, don't be silly.
Micah: You have one?
Jamie: I don't do that, I spend months in libraries looking up, like, the meaning of words...
Jamie: So I can get a perfectly formed joke.
Micah: Well, clearly you've spent months on this one.
Jamie: Yeah, I have, yeah. That's why - [laughs] - it's going to be epic.
Micah: You've had plenty of time. It better be.
Andrew: That's some excellent prep work. Well, we have a lot of show to get to today, there's a lot of news to discuss, and Eric went to the Harry Potter Exhibition, so we've got to talk to him about that.
Andrew: That was a fun time, right Eric?
Andrew: And - no, it seems like a fun time. It seems like a fun time for everyone that goes. Let's get straight into the show. I'm Andrew Sims.
Eric: I'm Eric Scull.
Jamie: I'm waiting till last. It's my...
Micah: All right.
Jamie: My rightful place now.
Matt: I'm Matt Britton.
Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
Jamie: And I'm Jamie Lawrence, and I'm going to try and work my way back up to the beginning of that order.
Eric: Are you really, or are you just saying that?
Jamie: No, I'll try, I'll try. I'll try.
Micah: Maybe by the end of the show you can make it back in there.
Jamie: Yeah, but then I...
Matt: Maybe you can make it up one.
Jamie: After my joke bombs.
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Andrew: All right, Micah, there's a lot of news lately. What has been going on? Please enlighten us.
Micah: All right. Well, I didn't write this news, but I'll try and enlighten you anyway. [laughs] There's a few more Half-Blood Prince posters that were released last week, and a little bit of a different look to them compared with past films.
Micah: What did you guys think of these?
Andrew: I love them. I mean, they finally - and I mentioned this on the live show - finally, they're going away from the traditional posters they've always made. They're kind of like - I don't know. Like, they try to cram a million things into the posters and have all these little details, but now it's just the characters, and these nice close-ups...
Andrew: And they're very dark. And then...
Jamie: Haven't they done that for something else, though? I swear they...
Matt: I think they...
Matt: I think they did it for Chamber of Secrets.
Andrew: What? With close ups?
Andrew: Well. I mean they've done. There's something different about these. They're very, very dark, and they're very simple. Those other posters that were released when the trailer was released, and they had the title all gigantic and slanted and you couldn't even read the whole thing. It was a really cool style I thought.
Jamie: I was going to say. From that thumbnail it looks a bit Brokeback Mountain-y. Dumbledore.
[Andrew and Matt laugh]
Andrew: Snape and Dumbledore.
Jamie: Snape and Dumbledore. Yeah. Heath Ledger is back from the dead.
[Andrew and Matt laugh]
Matt: I was going to say, Ron and Greyback kind of look like it more.
Jamie: It's loaded, really?
Jamie: Is Greyback going to be scary then? Do you think?
Andrew: Yeah. Well there's the one of Ron and Greyback is pretty - Greyback looks pretty...
Micah: I thought the one with Dumbledore and Snape, I think I told you this Andrew too, it looks pretty badass.
Micah: The others were pretty cool too. What was it, Hermione and Slughorn and Harry and Draco and then Ron and Greyback. I think they did a really good job this time around. I think they were focusing more on the darkness of these films even though they said that this one wasn't going to be as dark as the few that had come before it and obviously Deathly Hallows.
Micah: I like the way that they...
Jamie: Yeah, but don't they only say that?
Micah: Yeah, they do. They say it every time. It's getting darker.
Jamie: Yeah, but don't they say that so the movie thing rates it like UC. Or something, like universal...
Jamie: ...Instead of.
Andrew: Well, speaking of that, Jamie, in the U.S. here Half-Blood Prince got a PG rating. Any film in the series hasn't been rated PG since Prisoner of Azkaban.
Jamie: That's stupid.
Andrew: What do you think about that?
Jamie: I think that's ridiculous. I saw this article here in the U.K. about this film, this horror film called Wishbaby that got rated some stupid rating like 15 when it was disgusting. It was really horrible, horrible stuff. Sick scenes happening in it and I saw the trailer for Half-Blood Prince, and I think it looks pretty scary.
Andrew: It does.
Jamie: I just they're bowing to pressure. I don't know what pressure, but this is a perfect time to bring up The Pirate Bay.
Andrew: Why? What's that?
Jamie: I was disgusted by the verdict in the trial.
Andrew: Oh, them being taken down?
Jamie: Yeah, I think it's ridiculous. I know what it is, it's political heavyweights behind the scene in nice crisp ironed suits deciding what's going to happen in the world. And I think it's disgusting.
Andrew: Yeah, for sure.
Andrew: I mean - we saw this, me and Matt saw this documentary on the MPAA and it showed how messed up they were.
Andrew: So, and I've said it quite a few times on the show before, but it's just a shame.
Andrew: And we'll see. We'll be able to make a final determination. Eric, what did you think of these new posters?
Eric: The posters are cool. I like that it's not just fit as many characters as you possibly can...
Jamie: Yeah, it's true.
Eric: ...Looking angst-y and all.
Eric: And, to be fair, Goblet of Fire was about the different schools and stuff, so it was kind of cool like that, but the just did the same thing for five. It's good to see that. Harry and Draco's arrival and Snape and - Who's on Snape's...
Eric: Yeah, Snape and Dumbledore. Exactly. They're like the rivals and I loved it.
Andrew: Right. Well now, everyone keeps asking why Emma - Hermione and Slughorn are in the same and this happened once before too.
Eric: They have no one else to put with Slughorn or Hermione.
Jamie: It's true, yeah.
Eric: Actually though, that's kind of rival-ish because in book 6 - if you remember, Hermione is trying to - she doesn't approve of Harry cheating in potions, and so she tries to set an example for good potion making, but he always bests her.
Andrew: Oh, all right.
Eric: And she wants to get in to the Slug Club, but she's not allowed.
Andrew: Oh, yeah.
Jamie: Or it's all to do with posters and how to best make use of the space and Slughorn is fat...
Eric: [laughs] Exactly.
Jamie: ...And Hermione is quite skinny. So maybe that's it.
Matt: Well Hermione always tries to strive for the best, and Slughorn always picks the best.
Eric: Speaking of, and that's a good correlation Matt - Slughorn's uniform at the exhibit. Aw, it's amazing.
Eric: Anyway, we'll get into that later.
Andrew: What else is going on Micah?
Micah: There are a couple of key dates set for the premiere of Half-Blood Prince, tentatively though.
Micah: July 6th in Japan, July 7th in the U.K., and July 8th in the U.S. Now some smart math people may notice that that's three consecutive days of premieres.
Micah: So, it would beg the question: What does that mean for the actors who are going to be attending each one?
Jamie: It means they are going to get to fly around the world in an awesome jet.
Andrew: In three days.
Jamie: Ruin the environment. Get awesome food and free stuff. I'm not...
Andrew: And waste a lot of money.
Matt: You joke, but it might actually happen that way.
Jamie: There is nothing to worry about then.
Andrew: Yeah. I think it is worrying because we always see the most actors at the U.K. premiere because they all live in the U.K., that's fine. But what about the trio are they going to be at all of three or what, and on top of that the - well, never mind.
Jamie: That was a good point.
Andrew: No, I was going to say the junket was going to be around these days too. How are they going to fit that in on top of three premieres?
Andrew: I just think it is silly, why bother cramming it all into three days?
Jamie: Why is that what's happening then? July is the start of the movie season. Is there other stuff coming out around then?
Andrew: Well the only thing I could think of...
Matt: Yeah the Transformers is coming out around then.
Jamie: Oh yes!
Andrew: [laughs] The only thing I can think of is that they are also filming movie seven around this time.
Jamie: Well maybe, yeah, yeah.
Andrew: Are they trying to knock out all the publicity for a week, in a week? That may make sense.
Andrew: Who knows, but you know?
Matt: It is certainly strange, nothing about this movie has ever been, by the book...
Andrew: [laughs] Normal, yeah that is really true.
Matt: And it also seems like all the hype is going towards the U.K. premiere more than the U.S. one.
Matt: Well, like all the contests and stuff, yeah.
Jamie: But why Japan? It never has happened first there before has it?
Matt: Well, it is always big in Japan, though.
Jamie: But not world premiere is it?
Andrew: Right, yeah that is going be the world premiere. And last time for the Order of the Phoenix only Dan and David Heyman were there. Odd, very odd.
Jamie: That is odd.
Andrew: Strange times, strange times.
Jamie: You are going to have to fly out to Japan with your HD handy-cam.
Andrew: I know, I know the life of me, how am I going to do that?
Jamie: I want one now, I found my old one and it just doesn't really - oh, when I first got it was my baby and now it's nothing.
Andrew: Not even POS?
Jamie: It's not even HD, what is the point?
Andrew: [laughs] What is the point especially when YouTube can do HD.
Jamie: Exactly, and my camcorder can't?
Andrew: Jaime and Eric speaking of Half Blood Prince, the trailer, we haven't heard your guys' thoughts on the trailer, new one that came out. Eric how about you first, what were your thoughts on...
Eric: Yeah, I thought it was cool, I wish they would stop showing every scene from the movie in these trailers.
Andrew: What do you mean?
Eric: Even if it just a one second clip; they are trying to be new and exciting. Maybe they are over compensating.
Jamie: I don't think it is that though, I think they are trying to get everyone to see one bit that they really, really like. Do you know what I mean? If you think that every scene in this book appeals to a certain Harry Potter fan so they like, see it in the trailer and they are like, "Oh my God, Oh my God, Oh my God my favorite bit's in!" So if you can get everyone's favorite bits in then everyone goes to see it.
Andrew: That's true.
Jamie: Psychology 101.
Andrew: Yeah, that's a good point.
Matt: But at the same time they have shown the whole damn movie.
Jamie: Well, yeah, yeah that's true.
Matt: I mean - kind of. But at the same time, I thought it was cool. They show Harry meeting with Dumbledore in the Underground which is kind of a different scene.
Jamie: That was cool, that was cool.
Eric: Yeah, it's cool, it's cool.
Andrew: Jamie, overall, your thoughts, positive?
Jamie: I thought it was awesome, I watched it with my girlfriend, and she is not a Harry Potter fan at all, yet. I am going to try and convert her, and she said that it looked like a film, and I think a big complaint about previous Harry Potter trailers is that they just look like Harry Potter-ish. But this looks like it could appeal to any film goer.
Andrew: Yeah, you know what? I made mention of that on our trailer show a couple weeks ago...
Andrew: When you see the shots of the non – when you see shots of the Muggles in London, I think it opens it up to a new audience and they feel like it is more of a film.
Jamie: Yeah, I agree completely, I thought it was just awesome. I felt like it was so like, clean. Do you know when you watch a film, for as an example when you watch the Dark Knight and the screenplay is so clean, it is like there is no extra, and that trailer just looked clean, do you know what I mean, like there is no stuff they felt they had to put in.
Andrew: Those guys that make the Harry Potter trailers are some of the best. You really can't compare those trailers to anything else.
Micah: That's true, yeah.
Matt: They are always the best too, out of all the trailers you see. Honestly, they are always the best trailers of the year.
Jamie: That's true yeah.
Andrew: Are you saying that because you are a fan?
Andrew: There might be someone out there who is a fan of the Sisterhood of the Travelling Pants fan and they might think that that trailer is the best trailer of the year.
Matt: Honestly, even if you don't, the people that see the trailers aren't even fans of the books, or anything and they see those trailers and they just think they are epic.
Jamie: It's true, yeah, yeah.
Andrew: I think we are talking production wise too. Because production wise it looks great.
Jamie: It does.
Matt: It is nice and fluid and it really does tell a story when the full theatrical trailers are released.
Andrew: Yeah. I would be happy to say that the Sisterhood of Travelling Pants trailer is amazing if it actually had good production value.
Jamie: Does it actually exist? Oh it does, oh my God.
Andrew: The movie does, yeah. [Andrew laughs]
Jamie: ...I thought you were making something up. [All laugh]
Micah: Well, I think Andrew and Matt both see enough movies that they could certainly - especially Matt - can comment on - you know, how good the trailer is.
Jamie: No, no, no, no. Sorry, I was going to say - I just Wikipedia'ed that. How the hell did that get published?
Andrew: [laughs] The movie? I don't know, but I don't think it did well.
Matt: Well, they made a sequel, so...
Andrew: Yeah, that's right, yeah.
Jamie: Sorry, sorry, I mean, how? [Andrew laughs]
Matt: Netflix it, man. Tell us how it is.
Jamie: No way, I'm not wasting my money...
Matt: It's definitely a guy's movie. [laughs]
Micah: [laughs] Think of all the economic problems in the world, and they're making movies about this.
Jamie: Yeah, that's true, that's true...
Jamie: I think we're doomed.
Andrew: Okay, well, what else is going on, Micah?
Micah: There's lots of filming going on for Deathly Hallows.
Micah: A little bit in London occurred a few weeks ago in Piccadilly Circus, and then Shell Cottage has been getting a lot of press in the last few days. It looks like they're putting the last finishing touches on the cottage on the beach, so...
Micah: What do you guys think of this? There was a lot made of the filming going on in London in particular and it looks like...
Micah: ...probably in the next few weeks they're going to be filming the Shell Cottage scenes.
Andrew: Yes. I think it was really exciting to see them filming right in central London and them doing these night-time shoots but these poor actors - I don't know...
Jamie: Andrew, you've got to stop being sorry for them. They're loaded.
Matt: They get paid.
Andrew: I mean - you look at these pictures and they're all falling asleep! They're all yawning - of course, the paparazzi loves to take photos of that, but...
Jamie: Oh, yeah.
Andrew: Maybe, you know, take a nap during the middle of the day so you're a little more prepared for this. [laughs]
Matt: It was probably cold that night or something. Because, you know, when it's cold, you get cold or - you get sleepy.
Jamie: [laughs] You get cold?
Matt: You get sleepy!
Andrew: You get sleepy...
Matt: Yeah, but, man, these - I really got excited when I saw them, especially when you saw a little action shot of Emma running.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, it looks good...
Matt: In the red dress. Because when I read the movie - or read the book - I was just thinking about how this was going to look in the movie.
Eric: Well, I didn't know - I had no idea where they were - you know, Tottenham Court Road or wherever. I didn't know that was so central in London.
Andrew: I don't think they were actually at Tottenham Court Road, but they were nearby.
Eric: So they just walk through the central London to get there? [laughs]
Andrew: They were in the Piccadilly Circus area. I don't know - you know.
Jamie: How the hell do you film there? That's so weird.
Andrew: They close off some streets.
Jamie: But, like, that's so biased. Just because they're big shots, they close off streets... [Andrew and Micah laughs]
Jamie: If I was to go there and say, "I'm filming a film with my non-HD handy cam..." [Everyone laughs]
Andrew: Jamie, this is not the first time a film crew has filmed on... [Matt laughs]
Andrew: ...the streets before.
Jamie: I know, but...
Andrew: They do this all the time. It's going to be great! Imagine seeing the actual - you know - street.
Jamie: Yeah, that would be cool. That would be cool, yeah.
Jamie: I have some - well, my friend who I've known since kindergarten told me that he got a walk-on role in Harry Potter. I don't know, he isn't a fan at all, but...
Jamie: ...His girlfriend does something to do with it, and he says that someone told him that it's actually in the film, you know, it's not like...
Andrew: Which film? Movie 7?
Jamie: No, no. Six, six.
Andrew: Oh! Oh, that's awesome!
Jamie: Yeah. So, I don't know if he's actually going to be in it but he could be in the background. I'm going to...
Jamie: Yeah, it's weird.
Andrew: Keep an eye out. [laughs] He's weird?
Jamie: No, no, he's fine, but...
Eric: Talking about filming location. It reminds me of what they did in Tower Bridge for The Mummy Returns...
Eric: ...that they actually filmed there. That's cool.
Andrew: Oh, yeah. But, yeah, and then with Shell Cottage they're filming along a beach in Pembrokeshire, I believe it is.
Andrew: What? Pembrokeshire.
Jamie: Missed your pronunciation?
Andrew: How do you pronouce it, Jamie, please enlighten me?
Andrew: [in English accent] Pembrokeshire.
Andrew: Well, whatever. You call a router "rooter," so...
Jamie: No - well that's true, yeah. But also, also, I first thought that your town where you live was "Placenta."
Andrew: Right. But that's just a spelling thing. It's "Placentia."
Jamie: See, yeah, that's true.
Andrew: But, yeah, Shell Cottage...
Matt: Cultural differences.
Andrew: ...it looks really nice because the roof is just lined with seashells. And it's a really nice touch – it looks really - I mean - that's going to be beautiful. They're filming right on that beach, and it'll be really cool.
Matt: It's going to be a really good scene for Dobby's death.
Eric: Oh, Clemence. Oh, Clemence.
Andrew: Speaking of that, there was another article, Micah, where Dan Radcliffe and David Heyman - they were talking about filming - you know - outside of Hogwarts.
Micah: Yeah, it was in Empire magazine and Dan made note of the fact that filming the first part of Deathly Hallows is refreshing because it's set in a lot of other places aside from Hogwarts, so apparently he doesn't like filming at Hogwarts. That's what I'd take away from it.
Jamie: That is true, that is completely true. It must be tough. It's like in Phone Booth, you know?
Jamie: They must just like close the street for a year to film that.
Eric: Well then again, it's not like Hogwarts is one set. I mean...
Andrew: Yeah, there are a few sets.
Eric: ...surely there are different - not only locations, but then when you do a special room like the Chamber of Secrets on a sound stage you get around, but surely not as much as this, I guess. I don't know.
Andrew: When I read that quote it really hit me. Like, "Oh wow, this first part of this film really is going to be hardly at Hogwarts." And it's going to be really exciting to see a Harry Potter film without the typical sets and scenes that we've all gotten so used to.
Eric: But I hope it's more of Hogwarts than was in the book though. I hope they show what everyone else is doing.
Andrew: Yeah definitely.
Eric: I can't shake that feeling. I really want to see if they show - even in a montage maybe.
Andrew: Well hopefully the screen writer considered keeping it in there, but you know Potter fans are Potter fans, they just want to see the actual story so...
Andrew: And what else did they have to say in Empire Magazine?
Micah: Yeah, Dan also mentioned he's looking forward to filming the walk that he takes into the Forbidden Forest to meet Voldemort.
Jamie: How are they going to film that though? That's going to be weird.
Eric: We have pictures of that, don't we?
Andrew: Yeah, it is.
Eric: Don't we have any pictures?
Andrew: No, well there were some paparazzi photos of him walking through a forest, but we don't know if it was that actual scene...
Andrew: ...where he's going to meet Voldemort.
Matt: There are a lot of scenes where he walks to the lake or something?
Andrew: Yeah, it may be something like that.
Jamie: But how's it going to be? Because I always imagined it was going to be like Frodo climbing up Mount Doom. That kind of no dialogue, you know just music in the background, you seeing everything happen, and he just walks into the forest and then suddenly everything closes into a point and then the dialogue comes back and Voldemort's like, "Harry."
Matt: Yeah. That would be really intense if they just had no music and nothing and all you heard is just him walking.
Jamie: Yeah, that would be cool.
Andrew: Yeah, that'd be awesome.
Eric: Well with all the ghosts gliding around him.
Andrew: Right, right.
Jamie: Yeah, that would be cool. That would be awesome.
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