News: Deathly Hallows Split

Andrew: Yeah, I have faith they're going to get this right. And later on in this Empire interview David Heyman talked about the split - where they're going to split it and this was a really interesting quote. He said, "We've played around with a couple of places and ultimately settled on a place that we think is very exciting, and I think quite bold in that it's not necessarily where one might expect. You want to give a sense of completion on one hand, but a sense that there's another piece, more to come. We tried one and then Steve Kloves, the screen writer, came up with the idea to try it another way, and when we tried that it just felt right."

Jamie: So he hasn't actually given us any information on where it's going to be?

Andrew: Right.

Matt: No. They're going to kill us with this.

Jamie: Yeah, that's true.

Matt: They really are.

Andrew: And we probably won't even hear about it until the movie is actually released. I would imagine they want to keep that top secret, right?

Matt: I really hope it does keep a secret. I want to be surprised.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, you want to be surprised but you know everyone's going to ask that. "Where is going to be split? Where is going to be split? Where is going to be split?"

Andrew: But I mean they could cover it up if they really tried.

Matt: Yeah, well I mean also though an employee from Warner Brothers might leak it. I mean it has happened.

Eric: There's a budget and you have to figure out if they decided to purchase a few days filming time inside where they're filming Malfoy Manor or not and boom you have...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: ...where they're cutting it...

Andrew: Well...

Eric: ...exactly.

Andrew: ...but they are filming it everything all at once. Parts one and two so...

Eric: Oh, right. Okay.

Andrew: It may be harder. But Dan also added that it's a very tense cliff hanger. But I'm happy to see that they tried a non-traditional way, so maybe it's not going to be at the Malfoy Manor.

Matt: Well I think what Heyman was talking about like it's not one where one would expect.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: I think it's basically him just turning down all the rumors that everyone's talking about as Shell Cottage and Malfoy Manor.

Andrew: Maybe.

Matt: Because those seem to be the most popular ones that everyone is talking about.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: So he may be saying, "No, no, no..."

Jamie: Yeah, but...

Matt: "... that's not it."

Jamie: ...if it's not linear - you know it has to follow some type of linear pattern because you can't have a half an hour first film and then a six hour second film, you know.

Andrew: Well, right.

Eric: So you're saying they won't stop after the Seven Potters?

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: It's not just going to be the first movie.

Andrew: That would suck.

Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: I mean to be honest we're all going to know what happens after the cliff hanger anyway.

Andrew: It's not going to be so much of a cliff hanger for everyone who knows the book story, but I think they can pull it off where...

Jamie: It is for other people, yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, it is for other people, and even us a little bit.

Eric: Well yeah, because we want to see how they capture it. Like...

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Matt: It might be like - I'm trying to think of some kind cliff hanger and maybe it might be like the showdown between McGonagall and Snape before Snape...

Jamie: Yeah but that's only important for like, fans of the books.

Matt: Yeah, I don't know.

Jamie: Wait, for other people it would just be two old people looking at each other.

Eric: Yeah. And then on the other hand - are you calling Alan Rickman old?

Jamie: No, no, but in the films Snape's not exactly in his first flush of youth.

Matt: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Anyway, the - what was I going to say? But then, on the other hand say that they're going to actually be able to keep in a lot more of what was in the book because of all this extra time they have now.

Matt: Yeah, that's right. That's really nice.

Eric: It's really confusing.

Andrew: It's really good to hear though, because knowing they're going to take their time with this, they're going to put in everything they need to have a great final send off. It really is a win-win. Warner Brothers makes a ton of extra money off an eighth film, and we get to see more from Book 7.

Jamie: Yeah, but don't you think like the bigger they set themselves up, the harder they can fall if they screw it up? Like if...

Andrew: Oh definitely.

Eric: Technically. But have you hated Harry Potter movie, Jamie? Is there a Harry Potter movie you just can't stand?

Jamie: Well, I don't want to incriminate myself, but...

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: You're pleading the fifth.

Jamie: Yeah, exactly.

Andrew: But I mean, they really, they know what they're doing at this point and I trust them. I trust...

Jamie: Well, that's nice.

Eric at the Exhibition

Andrew: ...my Warner Brothers. [laughs] Okay and lastly in the news talk this week, it's not so much as news, but the Harry Potter Exhibition did open. So, well, that part's news. But Eric got to check it out in an exclusive fan site preview. He went on behalf of MuggleNet. And Eric, tell us all about it. I know Micah has questions written up too, and we'll throw some questions at you, but can you give us the general overview first? What did you think of this? How great was it?

Eric: It was really great. It truly was really great. The Harry Potter Exhibition, it's here until the end of September actually, it's here in Chicago. And it just opened up last Thursday. We went Wednesday, some of the web site heads. Like it was me from MuggleNet, Jeff from HPNF, and a few other people from a few other sites, but it was a lot fun. We were in there for an hour long, we got an hour. But you could easily spend an hour and a half in there. And it's this, pretty much this collection of props and they're all arranged - and costumes and stuff - and all arranged in this really themed and scenic way. And well it's an exhibition. What else can you say? Except that it's really awesome. It's a great experience, it's set up well and it's just absolutely incredible.

Micah: Is it tour guided? Or can you spend as much time there as you want?

Eric: You can spend as much time there as you want, yeah. There's a bit in the beginning where you get sorted and they have a Brit who they hired to do that.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: But...

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Jamie, you should've gotten that job.

Matt: You really should.

Jamie: I should've applied, that would have been cool.

Eric: Yeah, it would've been cool. You always have a place to stay in Chicago. But...

Jamie: Thanks.

Eric: ...yeah, it was a really good experience it was awesome. And, we'll get to the questions and whatever, but I have to say that you guys have to see it. I can't see...

Andrew: I'm dying to.

Eric: I can't see why it wouldn't go to LA which we'll also talk about later and I have reason to believe. But they won't release yet exactly where they're going next after this, that'll come soon.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: But yeah, overall it was an exhibit group, Giltspurs is the name that organized it, Warner Brothers Consumer Products and the Museum of Science and Industry which is where it's held. They built this extra sort of facility onto the building in order to house the exhibition which was really cool.

Andrew: Really?

Matt: Huh.

Eric: Yeah.

Matt: That's really cool.

Exhibition: Interactive

Micah: So you mentioned the Sorting Hat before. Do they sort everyone, or are they going to sort everyone? Or is that just something specific to your tour that you got?

Eric: Yes, everyone in terms of visitors - it was basically only volunteers they sorted. In our group of ten or twelve, they sorted two of us. And it was only because we volunteered.

Micah: Okay.

Andrew: Did you get sorted?

Eric: Yeah, well I got sorted.

Andrew: What house were you in?

Eric: Gryffindor.

Andrew: Oh, of course. Yeah.

Matt: Of course.

Andrew: What kind of questions did they ask?

Eric: Like, what do you mean, questions?

Andrew: Well, how'd you get sorted? Like, what happened?

Eric: Magic.

Andrew: Oh, [laughs]. I see.

Matt: [laughs] Duh.

Eric: Magic, Andrew. No but the Sorting Hat, the voice of the sorting hat from the movies and stuff - it was really realistic and fun. And it was adaptive too, like. Yeah, it was magic.

Andrew: That is pretty cool. I like how they have interactive elements there. Like, what other ones were there? The mandrake pulling? Like, how did that work?

Eric: Well and that's the other thing too. Is that they have interspersed through these costumes and props which in themselves...

Andrew: Through...

Eric: ...are so exciting to just see. I never thought I'd be so enthused to see something.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: It's because of the detail that goes into it which is incredible. But interspersed with that, there were these hands-on - literally hands-on - parts of the museum, which were really cool. So they had, after you get sorted, the next one would be the mandrakes that you get to, in the order this tour was set up. Basically there's a Herbology table with some of the old Herbology stuff - no earmuffs though...

Andrew: Aww.

Eric: ...and Professor Sprout's costume. Basically there's a sign that says, "Please Pull" and there's these mandrakes that are in pots and you just yank them and they come out fully formed and start screaming. They're really life-like. It's pretty exciting.

Micah: Reading through your review, there was one part where you said there were artifacts that - there are many artifacts beyond the entry point - it kind of left you believing that you left some of them out in your review?

Eric: Yes.

Micah: What else was there that you maybe didn't touch on in your review?

Exhibition: Portraits

Eric: In the review? Okay, good. There were - well, first of all, there were a lot of portraits that were A) portraits or B) TV screens so they were animated portraits.

Matt: Oh, that's cool.

Andrew: Did they talk?

Eric: I didn't want to say, "Oh, by the way, they were TV screens." You guys won't know what I'm saying unless I say that, but animated portraits, which of them there were a few. There were a few of them. They were exciting. The Fat Lady is also right when you come in.

Matt: Which Fat Lady?

Eric: The Fat Lady?

Andrew: THE Fat Lady.

Matt: There's two!

Andrew: The Gryffindor.

Eric: Yeah, the Gryffindor portrait.

Matt: The one from Prisoner of Azkaban or the one from Sorcerer's Stone?

Andrew: Oh, that's irrelevant.

Matt: I was just wondering!

Eric: It's the one from Prisoner of Azkaban.

Matt: Ah! Okay.

Eric: They have her. You can actually walk through the door, the portrait-hole thing. It's actually just around the frame they have her on, but it's cool anyway.

Andrew: So what are these, I saw a video of it and it really does look amazing.

Eric: You saw a video of it?

Andrew: Of the exhibit.

Eric: Oh, by USA Today?

Andrew: Yeah yeah, that one.

Eric: Oh, I didn't get that. That one wouldn't play for me. But I was there so.

Exhibition: Designers

Andrew: But, yeah, it just looks so well done. It looks really impressive. What did the designers have to say? How much work went into designing it? Was it the exhibition people who did most of that or was it Warner Brothers or what? Do you know?

Eric: Yeah, the exhibition people did it and Warner Brothers came in when it came time to decide specifically which props they would be getting and the - actually, let me get my press materials book because they gave us like ten thousand facts about the exhibit. It's awesome!

Andrew: What kind of effort went into the designing process?

Eric: Yeah, the effort. Well, basically, one of the reasons they gave it in Chicago was that the Museum of Science and Industry was willing to build this customized area.

Andrew: Ah.

Eric: Basically, this is the first stop on a tour that will be going for like five years. This exhibit is going to be going around the world, so it will be international, for like five years. So in order to make sure they had everything right, they needed this flexible working space. You know, to see if - because one of the tallest set pieces is the chess piece.

Andrew: Oh wow.

Eric: Like the chess pieces from Sorcerer's Stone. They're going to switch some of them out they said later, but the rook - I think, yeah, we saw the pawn and the rook - but the rook is like nine feet tall.

Jamie: That's insane.

Eric: Think of the detail too, because...

Andrew: That's amazing though.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: It's so great they found something to do with all of these items because otherwise...

Eric: Well, exactly! Because otherwise, they'd just be in a shed somewhere. Okay, so basically they just came up with this living space and this exhibit was, I guess, how they wanted it. The whole collaborative effort between these Giltspur people and Warner Brothers. They described it as ideal and very co-creative and exciting for everyone involved.

Exhibition: Audio Tour

Micah: You mentioned at the end of your review that there's a tour, an audio tour that can be had with David Heyman and David Yates. Was this not implemented in the exhibition when you went?

Eric: Yeah, we checked in at a desk downstairs and did this thing and the way I understood it, I guess if we asked we may have been able to - it was ready, because the museum was premiering the next day but none of us got the audio tour. And what it is, its certain set pieces in the exhibit have a commentary track just like you would at any museum audio tour, listening in and some of them are - what they did is they compiled an audio track with comments from David Yates, David Heyman and some of the other film makers and set designers, all that kind of stuff and made it into this audio tour which you can take with you when you view the exhibit. I think that would've probably taken up more time than what we had...

Micah: Right.

Eric: We had an hour because we had to get to the Round Table afterwards so yeah...

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: ...they didn't offer any of us the audio tours, but it is incentive to come back. [laughs]

Andrew: Now, what - did they record all that stuff for the exhibit or is it clips from past interviews?

Eric: No, no, no, it is just for the exhibit.

Andrew: Oh, that's awesome. You can probably learn a lot from that.

Eric: Yeah, yeah. Actually the guy who was at the - hang on a sec, I have his name - yeah Eddie Newquist who is the President of the exhibit group, Giltspurs Branded Entertainment - he was the guy on the Round Table representing them and he said that they actually went to Leavesden Studios probably even during filming of one of the movies, probably six - yeah wouldn't be seven yet. And they asked for certainly some commentary, like they said, "We'll just take an hour or two of your time if we can." and it turns out they were there for like a day or two, gathering all this insight because the filmmakers...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: ...were all that enthusiastic and supportive. Yeah, so I haven't listened to it but apparently the audio track is something that is really cool.

Andrew: That is pretty sweet. That's a good reason to come back a second time because I'm sure a lot - the first time you go you may not want to have to listen to that audio track thing, so, that's cool.

Eric: Yeah.

Exhibition: Future Items

Micah: Any plans to add to this? I mean with Deathly Hallows you just said it's going to be around for five years. Did anyone ask if they are going to add to this exhibition as it moves across the world?

Eric: Yes. They are.

Andrew: Across the world.

Eric: Yeah. They're going to be adding and taking pieces, mostly adding from what I get, or at least from what they said because of the new movies as you say. So it will be a changing exhibit with new set pieces as they become available. They already had some stuff from movie six; Ron's Quidditch outfit and Slughorn's outfit as well and some Wanted posters for the Carrows and Bellatrix and all that stuff that's from the sixth movie so that was really awesome to see. And it's in there, you know just with the rest of the stuff so it's like this whole, entire complete collection, happy family.

Andrew: Well, thanks Eric, for that. It sounds like a lot of fun and I hope it comes to L.A.

Eric: Yeah. Well about that...

Andrew: And in case anyone is wondering - what?

Exhibition: Future Stops

Eric: About that. They haven't released yet, officially, where they're going next...

Andrew: Right.

Eric: But I've been looking at this - this press packet here and also in other publications in the newspapers and stuff...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And they slate Chicago as the only mid-west U.S. location of this tour.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: And so I guess that that is official.

Andrew: So they'll go west, and they'll go east and they'll go south. Presumably.

Eric: No, they won't go south. Because if you go south of the mid-west you're still in the mid-west, in my opinion.

Andrew: well I mean Florida or something.

Eric: Oh, yeah, yeah...

Andrew: South, south...

Eric: Right, right. I mean what doesn't L.A. have?

Matt: I'm so confused.

Eric: Besides Equus. What doesn't L.A. get?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So I think L.A. will definitely get this. I'm inclined to say New York but at the same time, when it goes somewhere it is there for three or four months and surely the international fans will get pissed if it just stays in the U.S. for like a year.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean I think they're going to bring it through all the stops in the U.S. first because it must cost a lot of money to bring it overseas, so...

Eric: Yeah that is the other thing too...

Andrew: ...it's not like they'll travel back and forth.

Eric: ...but they've already started - they've already done that with starting in the middle of the country. If you go west, you have to go east. Say they wanted to go to LA...

Andrew: Yeah but you got to start somewhere.

Eric: Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: I mean, they probably want to start in the U.S. first, for some reason.

Eric: Well it makes sense to me that they'd hit New York, go over to London...

Andrew: Right, right. Well maybe scheduling conflicts. Perhaps, but yeah I'm sure no museum is going to miss out on taking up an opportunity that would obviously bring in a lot of money I'm sure.

Eric: Yeah, geez. Absolutely. And you guys have to try the Quaffle Toss, that is my favorite part of the...

Andrew: Oh! I cannot wait.

Jamie: I bet you can't.

Eric: One of those hands-on things.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Well if anyone is interested in checking out the exhibition in Chicago, right at the top of MuggleNet on the homepage we have links to purchase tickets and also the official site and that goes to MSI Chicago and also HarryPotterExhibition.com site. Thanks Eric!

Eric: Yep.

Announcements: Podcast Alley

Andrew: Moving on to - so that concludes our very long news segment, but moving along to the announcements this week, don't forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley at the beginning of the month, like I said at the start of the show.

Matt: MuggleCast May!

Andrew: It is MuggleCast May, as everyone knows. You must vote for us every month that starts with May.

Jamie: I didn't know this was still going on.

Matt: Yeah.

Jamie: Oh, it feels like old times again.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Does that bring you back Jamie?

Jamie: It does. I feel like I haven't left.

Announcements: Transcript Update

Andrew: Also, Micah, you have a transcript update for us?

Micah: Yeah, just an update. We've been adding transcripts really a lot over the course of the last few weeks. Everyone's doing a good job in terms of transcribing the past shows that we haven't been able to get up over the course of the last few months so we're catching up and everyone's doing a good job, so be sure to check out the transcript page when you have a chance. We're featuring a lot of the interviews we've done in the past. Jamie, since you haven't been on the show, we've replaced you with Patrick Doyle and Mary GrandPre.

[Andrew and Jamie laugh]

Jamie: Awesome.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So...

Jamie: That's an upgrade definitely.

Andrew: They're regular hosts.

Matt: Yeah.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Andrew: Well, thanks Micah, for that and thanks to all the transcribers who have been working so diligently to get those completed and get those online. We really appreciate it as do our listeners who like reading what we say.

Announcements: Listener Tweets

Andrew: Our next segment is something new that we haven't really done before. We're taking questions from Twitter and just a generic title we'll call it Twitter Question Mailbag and these...

Jamie: Wow.

Andrew: ...were sent to us through our Twitter account at Twitter.com/MuggleCast – I know it's not that original, but whatever.

[Jamie laughs]

Listener Tweet: Why Fred?

Andrew: So we got ten here and they're about the books or movies and the fandom and our podcast, but we wanted to sort of open it up and discuss whatever the listeners wanted us to discuss. And this first one - it starts off - we're starting off with a book question.

It's from WestleyRose, and he says, "Why do you think Jo decided to kill off Fred instead of George? Did Jo have some sort of hatred of Fred that we don't know about?"

Jamie: Maybe she just flipped a coin.

Micah: Yeah.

Jamie: Something like that.

Eric: Maybe she meant to kill George.

Jamie: Oh yeah. Maybe she screwed it up.

Andrew: I wonder why - I wonder why she did do that. Was there any specific reason or...

Matt: Well Fred was the most in the foreground of the twins.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: And he was the most wittiest.

Micah: Yeah, well, plus George - didn't he get his ear blown off earlier in the book? I mean, that would be kind of unfair.

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: I mean, you get your ear blown off and then you die.

Matt: It's not the most level of punishments.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Well, which is worse? Getting your ear blown off and then dying, putting you out of your misery? Or getting your ear blown off and then having your brother die?

Matt: Either getting your ear blown off or being crushed to death?

Andrew: I'd rather be crushed to death.

Matt: I don't know that's...

Andrew: I need two ears for my iPod headphones.

Eric: Who would rather be crushed to death? Honestly, even if your ears blown off, you can still hear out of it, or at least one ear.

Matt: I know but you'd look weird the rest of your life, you look unbalanced.

Jamie: I thought it depended on the way it hit your ear and stuff. Or maybe I'm just being stupid because I remember reading somewhere that hearing depends on the way sounds hit your ear but I could just be really gullible. Somebody told me that.

Eric: No, no, you're right. But at least he still has the other ear that he could hear out of. I mean, you'd rather be crushed to death than deaf in one ear? Really?

Jamie: What's this crushed to death coming from?

Matt: No, I'd rather have one ear.

Eric: That's what Matt said.

Jamie: Matt, you're sick.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Matt: What?!

Andrew: I'm reading a little interview from J. K. Rowling, actually with one of the hosts from the Today Show asked her about the Fred/George thing and she said, "I always knew it was going to be Fred. I suppose looking back I think that most people would have expected it to be George, I think, because that's the ringleader. He's always been the investigator. He's slightly harder than George. George is slightly gentler. Fred is normally the funnier, but also the crueller of the two. So they might have thought that George was the vulnerable one and therefore the one to die."

Jamie: Maybe, yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And she went on to say that it wasn't easier to kill Fred instead of George, so I don't know.

Eric: Actually that kind of makes sense that Fred died because if he was the one who was making the more hurtful wise cracks, or making more jokes, he was the one who died with the smile on his face.

Andrew: Right, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matt: That's true. Aw, that's so cute.

Andrew: So Jo didn't totally answer it, but I wonder why she's always known it would be Fred.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: It's just a game to her or...

Micah: Maybe someone named Fred bullied her in school and that's why she's always known.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: "I will kill off Fred."

Jamie: That would be so weird though if every character had done something like their fate to her.

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: So George had like poked her in the ear or something.

Andrew: Right. Well we have heard that she has based some of her characters off of real life people.

Eric: As soon as she - she stopped saying that halfway in to the series because people kept claiming that they were the ones she...

Jamie: Oh, right, yeah.

Andrew: Oh, right. Right.

Matt: That would kind of stink though if you're reading her books and she named one of the characters after you and then your character died.

Jamie: Yeah, that wouldn't be nice at all.

Matt: Kind of like, "What? What did I do?"

Jamie: Especially, if you thought that she really liked you or something and then you died.

Listener Tweet: End of MuggleCast?

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah! Well, next question is from Jimmy. He says, "What will you talk about after the 'Deathly Hallows' films are released? Will the encyclopedia be enough to keep MuggleCast alive?"

Micah: Jamie, I think you should answer this...

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Ummm... I think the MuggleCast flame is eternal and can't ever be extinguished.

Andrew: I do too. I do too. There will always be Harry Potter news.

Jamie: Just to avoid the issue.

Andrew: It's just a question of how often these episodes will come out.

Jamie: That's true, yeah. Exactly.

Andrew: So, the part two of Movie 7 comes out July 15, 2011, so...

Jamie: Man, that's a long time away.

Andrew: ...we still got - yeah.

Matt: That's two more years.

Andrew: And by that time MuggleCast would have run for seven years, so - hey, a seven-year run is not that bad! I'll take that.

Matt: Wow.

Jamie: Yeah, but if we get there we should probably go for the full decade. We can't really stop halfway there.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: That is true.

Eric: So I guess the answer to Jimmy's question is - well, actually, he said, "Will the encyclopedia be enough to keep MuggleCast alive?" [laughs]

Andrew: Well, I hope the encyclopedia is out before 2011 - or July 2011. Don't you guys think?

Jamie: I think.

Matt: Yeah. Definitely.

Jamie: Surely it's less going to come down to what Harry Potter stuff there is...

[Eric laughs]

Jamie: ...than Andrew's enthusiasm for editing shows, putting stuff out, stuff like that.

Andrew: [laughs] Just make a tech show, a MuggleCast tech show.

Jamie: Yeah! That's what we should do, we should look at the latest technology. And Transformers and Wolverine and all these cool new films as well.

Andrew: Right... [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, the non-Harry Potter, Harry Potter podcast.

Jamie: Yeah.

Matt: It's never been done.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Well, I just hope that the encyclopedia doesn't come out in 2015 or something. I think she should do it around the movie hype.

Eric: Oh, give her time to realize that she misses it like crazy.

Listener Tweet: Cut from the Film

Andrew: Yeah, that's true. [laughs] Next question from Walty: "What is your favorite book scene that was cut from the film?" I'm trying to think of any but it doesn't bother me when scenes are cut.

Micah: Oh, here, I've got it.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: What, Micah?

Micah: I would - this is not really a scene, it's more of a group of scenes. If you go back to Prisoner of Azkaban, the whole Marauder backstory...

Eric: Ditto.

Micah: ...being cut from the films I think was the...

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Micah: ...big one for me.

Matt: I guess for me - I think one of the - the scene in Order of the Phoenix when Harry was taking his O.W.L.s and he showed up Professor Umbridge when he did his Patronus in front of her and he just kind of smirked at her and walked off.

Eric: I don't remember that.

Matt: I thought that was funny. Yeah, it was when he was doing his O.W.L.s to one of the teachers and they said, "I hear you can do a Patronus." And he goes, "Yes I can." And then he does it and then he walks off...

Eric: Oh. That's cool.

Matt: ...and Umbridge was looking at him kind of sad.

Andrew: Yeah, well, and this sort of relates to what we were talking about with Movie 7 earlier. I think they have a lot - they do definitely have a lot of extra pressure and expectations are much higher to get everything right and get everything in.

Matt: Mhm.

Eric: Yeah, I mean...

Andrew: But...

Eric: ...like what you said initially about not being that upset about cut scenes - with the exception of the Marauders in Prisoner of Azkaban and possibly Snape's Worst Memory where we thought we were going to see more - yeah, I'm more interested in if they tell the story in an exciting way. You know...

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: ...in a way that fits everything that they're doing and still surprises me a little bit. I guess I like to be surprised, but not too surprised. [laughs]

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