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Half-Blood Prince Premiere

Borders - Columbus Circle

New York, New York (US)

July 12, 2009

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Jim Dale: [as Professor McGonagall] This is Professor McGonagall welcoming you all to MuggleCast hoping you enjoyed - Dobby! Dobby, come here! Here! Dobby! [as Dobby] Yes, I'd just like to say how very pleased I am to introduce MuggleCast to all of you! Thank you! Thank you! [Show music begins]

Andrew: Welcome to Borders. Thanks to Borders for hosting us today. Nice sized crowd here too. I'm Andrew Sims, we've got Emerson Spartz here, Micah Tannenbaum and Ben Schoen on my far right. Who went the premiere yesterday?

Fun on the Red Carpet

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Everyone get good seats, good pictures?

[Audience responds]

Andrew: Front row? Anyone get autographs?

[Audience responds]

Andrew: From who?

Audience Member: Rupert and Emma.

Andrew: Rupert and Emma?

Audience Member: Rupert, Emma and Tom.

Andrew: Oh wow, a lot of autographs that's pretty impressive. Emerson, I saw you signing out there you were quite the celebrity.

Emerson: Some people must have felt sorry for me.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: It was obviously a lot of fun. Did anyone go to the Goblet of Fire premiere - podcast, or premiere which was - got one guy. It was November 2005, it brought back memories to me because it was at the same exact theatre, doing it with Emerson all over again. But yeah so, it was a lot of fun.

Emerson: At the Order of the Phoenix premiere in L.A. we borrowed our friend's camera and we had this giant TV camera with a shoulder strap and everything so we looked like we were an actual TV crew.

Andrew: This time we looked like noobs.

Emerson: Yeah we did.

Andrew: But they put us in between - and we have got to give W.B. credit for this because...

Emerson: This is awesome.

Andrew: And they put us right in between CNN and Reuters.

Emerson and Ben: Reuters.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: They got their big cameras, I got a nice camera, it's small, but first of all what's so funny about that? I mean...

[Audience and Emerson laughs]

Emerson: It's great because it just shows the power of the Harry Potter fandom; that instead of having us stuck at the end of the line, having to club other reporters with your microphone to get in there and ask a few questions. They're now - Warner Brothers recognises how large this community really is so they actually put us at the front of the line were we can be comfortable and talk to the stars as they come through, at our own pace.

Andrew: And of course, the Reuters guy was to our right, and Emerson immediately knocks the guy's camera over...

[Audience and Emerson laugh]

Andrew: ...And doesn't say a word about it...

[Audience and Emerson laughs]

Andrew: ...And the Reuter's camera guy was like...

Emerson: I was hoping he wouldn't notice!

[Audience and Emerson laughs]

Andrew: So that was kind of embarrassing.

Fun with the CNN Lady

Emerson: The best part was that, we had great placement except we just happened to be placed right behind a giant lamp post.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah it was literally right in our spot!

Emerson: So when you see the footage online, you'll notice that for every interview, instead of you know we are standing comfortably and having a nice little chat with Emma. I'm like this.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Emerson: Like, pressed up against - I had such an awkward moment, the very first - it was very cramped, and the very first person who came through it was...

Andrew: Yates. Yates.

Emerson: David Yates, the director, and we hadn't figured out how we were going to stand next to the other journalists, the lady from CNN, as soon as Yates got there she got launched into position and was pressed up against me so hard and I like choking to death, standing there really awkwardly, not wanting to move. I didn't want to bump her hand while she was on camera. So I had to sit there through the entire interview with our bodies pressed together so awkwardly!

[Andrew and Audience laughs]

Emerson: Ugh - we eventually figured out our position that wouldn't involve that much physical contact. Thank God.

Andrew: Some teamwork. But then she asked for your number so I think she liked you.

[Audience and Emerson laughs]

Alan Rickman Makes an Appearance

Andrew: There were a couple of interesting things that we learned on the red carpet. Once again we waited till the last minute to come up with questions. But that is okay, because CNN was on our left - how it works the stars will go one by one down the press line, and right before us was CNN, and CNN asked some question and Alan Rickman was there and Alan Rickman was right there.

Audience Member: Woo!

Andrew: Yeah it was really cool.

Emerson: Yeah. We never see him.

Andrew: He never comes out to premieres. I don't know what his deal was this time - anyway, so CNN somehow gets him to reveal - and I don't know if we heard this yet, when J.K. Rowling - when he first got the part of Snape, he said to J.K. Rowling, "Look, I need to know something about Snape that nobody else knows." And Jo said, "Okay, but you can't tell anyone." And this was like, ten years ago. So, the CNN reporter naturally was like, "So what was it?" And he was like, "Oh, sorry, I cannot reveal this information."

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: And then the CNN guy's like, "Well, MuggleNet is right next door so they're going to be bugging you more about it," because, you know, we're the fansite and we want to know. So then we ask him...

Emerson: Repeatedly.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Audience and Emerson laugh]

Andrew: And he still refuses to ask! Now, first of all - to reveal. So does anybody have any theories what Jo could've told Alan and not have - he's like, still refusing to not tell it! And as Emerson said to Alan, I mean, all the books are out, you don't need to hide it anymore!

Emerson: Yeah, I really don't know. I asked him, I said, "Okay, the books are out, you know, there's no reason to worry about spoiling anything anymore." And his excuse was that not everyone has read the books.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Emerson: I'm like, "Well, everyone who visits has read the books, so..." [laughs]

Ben: So does that mean that it was something in the books?

Andrew: I don't know! We don't know. He may not even know. Has he read the books?

[Audience and Emerson Laugh]

Andrew: He really may not know! But, yeah, I think that's like - that's a question for Jo now because I guess - okay, Alan Rickman promised he wouldn't tell anyone, so it's a question for Jo. Maybe Jo's ready to tell. But I really want to know because we all love Snape.

Emerson: Yeah. It was so weird, talking to him.

[Audience laughs]

Emerson: I kept - I had to stop myself not actually calling him Snape.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Well, he has that voice.

Emerson: He talks exactly like Snape all of the time!

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Emerson: He's not acting, he is Snape!

Andrew: Yeah.

[Audience laughs]

The Press Junket

Andrew: It's the same thing with Michael Gambon - because he was at the press junket. We didn't interview him, but he was at the press junket and I was there yesterday, that was before the premiere yesterday. And he walks in with David Yates, David Heyman, David Barron, and Steve Kloves, the screenwriter. And he starts talking and I turn to the girl next to me, I was like, "Snape's in the room, he's - or Dumbledore's in the room! He's talking to us!" Because the voice is exactly the same.

Ben: Was he still wearing the tie in his beard?

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: No, but it was funny - during the junket, he was like, "Yeah, I had a wardrobe and a sort of pocket in my cloak to hold cigarettes." [laughs]

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: I Tweeted about that, that was so funny.

[Audience and Emerson laugh]

Andrew: The updates were - did anyone follow those, the Twitter account? Anyone have a Twitter? Were they good updates?

Audience Member: Yeah.

Andrew: I was trying to Tweet as much as possible. I know people are like, "What's Tweeting? What a stupid word!"

[Audience and Emerson laugh]

Andrew: Finally got Emerson to come around to Tweeting, right?

Emerson: I'm starting to see the value in it now. I didn't get it at all for a long time. I signed up for an account, like, a year ago and I thought it was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. But I realize that I hadn't actually known how it worked, so now that I'm actually understanding how it works, it's actually starting to get fun.

Andrew: Micah's a hardcore Tweeter, aren't you?

Micah: Yeah! No, not really.

[Everyone laughs]

Harry Potter Phenomenon

Andrew: One last thing from the premiere I wanted to talk about - well, actually, two more things. You asked them a good question and they were like, "Oh, wow, I've never thought of that before!" Which was, "How are you going to explain this phenomenon to their grandkids when - or they're great grandkids twenty or thirty years from now?" And you asked pretty much the entire cast that, right?

Emerson: Yeah.

Andrew: And what did some of them say?

Emerson: They all had different ways of - it was kind of like, "What does Harry Potter mean to you?" You know, when you really zoom out on something like this that has, you know, taken up a huge part of your life and all the hype and the hubbub. And Heyman in particular was just knocked down by this question. And basically he - to them, it's like this moment in time in which the entire world sort of started reading fiction again. You know, you all have experiences, you all have friends, you may be one of those yourself who didn't really read until someone said, "Hey, read Harry Potter," you know? And all of the sudden it gave you new life and it suddenly made books seem interesting again but I think you'll enjoy seeing their reactions to this question.

Andrew: Yeah. And we have the interviews, they'll probably be up on the site tomorrow or whenever I can get to a computer that imports video. If anyone has a MacBook who would allow me to import the premiere footage, I'd be happy to do that right now.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: And I'll let you keep the footage, too.

[Audience and Emerson laugh]

News from the Red Carpet: Deathly Hallows Filming

Andrew: And also you asked them what they were looking forward to filming in Movie 7 because, they're five months into it now. Alan Rickman actually revealed he starts in October so that was interesting.

Emerson: Mhm.

Andrew: What were they looking forward to filming?

Emerson: I remember Tom Felton and Rupert both mentioned - right away, that they were looking forward to the epilogue. They were really looking forward to seeing how Warner Brothers was going to make them look, you know, old when they clearly weren't.

[Audience laughs]

Emerson: So simple pleasures I guess, right? They've been filming these for years now, they've had to do all kinds of crazy stunts and CG and all these different sets and yet they're most interested to see how the makeup's going to work, that's funny.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: Well it's going to be more than makeup, and they said at the junket yesterday they're not sure how it's - they're going to do it yet. The producer said they haven't figured out and so one of the press was like, "Are you going to do it Benjamin Button style?" And they were like, "No because with that you go from older to younger and we're trying to make them seventeen years older."

Audience Member: Nineteen.

Andrew: So - nineteen? Sorry.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Nineteen years. I haven't read the books I just showed up at the junket yesterday.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: So nineteen years older, and so it will be interesting to see to see how they do that. I thought it was interesting that they still haven't figured out how they are going to age them. But David Heyman said to wrap that all up - he said that the actor's will be playing those roles definitely. Which was good to hear because there was rumors that they were going to hire some new cast to play those roles, but the last scenes of you know movie seven part two can't be other actors, it has to be the trio. So and Tom and Bonnie and all of them.

Emerson: It just reminded me of a really random part from the premiere. When we first got there and saw that where we were stationed and like how cramped it was going to be all of the TV crews had people stationed outside - there's like this barrier, there's the carpet, and then there's the camera guys. And so we thought we were going to have all the room in the world on the actual carpet to talk and then this big burly security guy says, "Nope, you got to get behind the barrier." And so we just kind of looked at each other and like looked at the size, like how tight it already was and then just how - how can you ask us to try - try to fit there? And so the entire - you'll watch on the video and you see it like about every five seconds Andrew's like pushing my head back like, "Get your head out of the way," because you couldn't even see the - the on camera because it...

Andrew: Yeah.

Emerson: was cramped, but -

Andrew: And then one last person, Dan - you asked him what he was looking forward to filming.

Emerson: Mhm.

Andrew: And what did he say?

Emerson: [whispers to Andrew] What did he say?

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: I have it right here. Let's play the video. No, he was most looking forward to the final walk through the forest.

Emerson: Oh yeah.

[Audience Member sighs]

Andrew: Yeah, I know.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: It's really cool. And you know what else was interesting? At the junket yesterday somebody asked him I guess what his favorite scene was in Half-Blood Prince, and I thought this was really interesting. He said, "My favorite scene - and this is all time ever, and I know I'll never shoot something as cool as this." And he said it's the scene in Half-Blood Prince where he comes out of the water in the cave. He comes out of the water and he looks up and he sees Dumbledore spinning that ring of fire. And I was like, "Wow!" And I mean it's really cool.

Emerson: When you see it you'll understand why.

Ben's Premiere Story

Andrew: Yeah but I just thought it was really bold to say you'll never shoot something as cool as that again. Because, you know you've still got the seventh movie and who knows what else you'll do in your future, so. It is a really cool scene though yeah so that is that. And Ben I know I'm so sorry you two haven't - weren't at the junket or didn't do the press so you guys were just watching us, but I couldn't help but notice you have something on your elbow right there that you got from a little too much excitement at the premiere.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: Ben can never go to a premiere and not have a story.

[Audience laughs]

Ben: Well after the film let out we walked out and there were still just tons of fans still across the street just waiting for people to walk out, and they were still cheering and it was wild. But anyways I walked out - I went to go to cross the street and there was a car coming, so naturally I broke into a jog.

[Audience and Emerson laughs]

Ben: And as I sped towards the barrier I said, "This is it. I'm going to - I'm clearing this."

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Ben: And I still had the premiere pass in my hand which was my fatal flaw...

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Ben: ...and as I bound towards the barrier I go to shift my weight up and just jump over it and I caught my leg and I fell hard right on the pavement.

[Audience groans]

Ben: But luckily the crowd wasn't watching me, they were too busy staring at the theatre...

[Andrew and Audience laughs]

Ben: ...but Emerson saw it, and it was painful both psychologically

[Audience laughs]

Ben: ...and physically. But I hopped right up and what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

[Andrew and Audience laughs]

Emerson: I can't lie, I've seen a lot of comical falls in my life, but this one was just perfect. Every step of the way I thought, "There's no way he's actually going to try to jump over this."

[Audience laughs]

Emerson: Then I thought, "Oh there's - he catches his leg on the top and - oh there's no way!" I can't believe he even caught his leg right? And then he starts to fall...

[Audience laughs]

Emerson: ...and he starts twisting...

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Emerson: ...and then he just lands like - like a pancake on the pavement.

[Audience laughs]

Ben: I think Emerson must have saw it in slow-mo...

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Ben: ...because I think it happened a little bit quicker than that.

Emerson: I was savoring every moment.

Andrew: Saw it on the Zeigfeld Theater security cameras later.

Emerson: Yeah.

Andrew: And then - and then right after it Ben calls me and is like, "Dude I've got something special to show you." And I thought it was like...

Ben: He was getting all excited.

Andrew: ...I thought he got like his premiere ticket signed by Emma or something - like something legitimately cool.

[Audience and Emerson laugh]

Andrew: And then he knocks on the hotel room door and I open it up and he's like, "Check this out!"

[Audience laughs]

Ben: I'm bleeding everywhere at this point.

Andrew: And he's bleeding, and I'm like, "What are you doing? Wash it."

Ben: And then I proceed to go and re-enact what happened on the bed with a bloody elbow still and yeah Andrew had bloody sheets by the end.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Ben: Sorry, Andrew.

Andrew: If they charge us for that you're paying. It's my card but you're paying.

Ben: Fun times.

[Emerson laughs]

Andrew: Okay so we're going to talk a little bit about the movie, but we're trying - we're not going to try to do spoiler stuff. So we're going to talk about some broad stuff related to the movie because - I saw it last week, Ben and Emerson saw it last night, Micah saw it the other day, so we've all seen it.

Micah: Yeah, I actually saw it.

Andrew: Yeah!

Micah: Unlike Order of the Phoenix.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: When - for anyone who doesn't know - when, how long did it take you to see Order of the Phoenix?

Micah: Few weeks, months?

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: You're not a fan.

Micah: I know. I just show up.

[Audience laughs]

The PG Rating

Andrew: Anyway, well one particularly interesting thing was, we've been talking for the longest time about the PG rating on MuggleCast and just how it really didn't make any sense, and you know, why it got a PG rating. Micah, do you think it deserved a PG rating?

Micah: After watching the movie, I think it can get away with a PG rating. I really do.

Andrew: Aw!

Micah: So all that stuff that we talked about - they did it justice. They did the PG rating justice.

Andrew: Because it's been interesting because for Goblet Of Fire and Order Of the Phoenix they were rated PG-13, and you know, the cast every is "Its darker, darker, darker, darker." And then, with this film - I think it's just the balance of how they really mixed the romance - and they say there's romance, they're not kidding. There's a lot of romance. It's basically romance, action, romance, action, romance...

Micah: It could've gotten the PG-13 rating more for the romance than actually for the violence.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Emerson: My issue with the PG rating is there's - when you see the Inferi, you'll know what I mean about the PG rating.

Andrew: They're pretty freaky.

Emerson: They're creepy.

Andrew: Ben, do you think they deserved it?

Ben: Yes.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: David Heyman at the junket, somebody asked him that question, and he had a great line. He said, "I saw the rating, and I didn't know what - I thought, 'What the hell were the MPAA thinking?'" Because it was a surprise, I think, to everyone. And yet, in England and in Australia they rated it the PG-13 equivalent. So that's that.

Hands Down, Best Movie Ever!

Andrew: Do you guys think - and we ask this question every single time and naturally you're going to say yes, but was it truly the best movie yet? Emerson, we all remember at the Goblet Of Fire premiere when you said your classic line. You were like, "Hands down, best movie ever."

Ben: Hands down...

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: And then the crowd roared.

Emerson: The funny thing is, I actually, I tweeted the exact same thing.

Andrew: [laughs] Yes!

Emerson: Without even realizing that that was the same thing! I totally forgot that that's what people been making fun of me for, for years.

Andrew: Why do you think it's the best movie yet? Get everyone excited. Why do you think it was the best movie yet?

[Emerson sighs]

[Audience laughs]

Emerson: Because I liked it a lot. [laughs]

The Trio's Acting

Ben: I feel like they just took it, everything to a new level. Especially the acting of the trio. Emma's gotten a lot better...

[Audience and Emerson laugh]

Andrew: By better do you mean sexier or acting wise?

Ben: No, her acting, her skill.

[Andrew and Audience laughs]

Ben: She stopped doing the eyebrow thing that she used to do.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Yes. I immediately noticed that. First close-up shot, and her eyebrows didn't move a bit. She was just talking.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: It was really cool. I was like, "Yes!" Improving, finally.

Ben: I just feel like they've gotten a lot better at taking a book and turning it into a movie. I think that's what now that they have more and more experience doing that and they know what to cut, they know what to keep, they've done a lot better job at doing it justice.

Andrew: Micah?

Micah: Yeah, I agree with Ben, and also Michael Gambon - I was not a big fan of his for most of the movies that came before this and I think he did a great job in this one.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Did he finally read the books or something, or what?

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: No. He still hasn't read the books. At the London premiere, it was funny. Somebody was like, "So what do you think of this movie?" And he's like, "Oh, I forget already I filmed it a year ago and there's been five movies since then." I'm like, "PR nightmare, okay."

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: But yeah, I think Michael Gambon, he's really grown. And we've seen in the trailers, he's a weak Dumbledore in this film. And it really comes through and the cave scene. I didn't read the book before I saw the movie - re-read the book before I saw the movie, I read parts of it after and the cave scene is pretty loyal to the book because particularly, I was a little confused. I was surprised one thing happened so quick, but when I re-read it, I saw it happened just as quickly. So yeah, the cave scene, that's of course the epic scene. Did you guys cry at all?

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: During the movie? You can be honest, Ben.

Ben: My eyes got a little wet.

Andrew: Your eyes got a little wet?

Ben Falling Asleep During the Premiere?

Ben: Yeah, well I get - to be honest? I didn't get very much sleep the night before, so I was like - the theater was just so comfortable, and I was just...

[Andrew and Audience laughs]

Ben: I was struggling to stay awake. Don't hate me. But it was, I had to keep jolting myself...

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: But it was awesome though.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Particularly the part where the fire is just like making fire tornadoes and stuff.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Gave me chills.

Emerson: I don't know how you slept when the girl - Ben was sitting right in front of me and there was this small girl to my right, who was - let's just say she was providing commentary throughout the movie.

[Audience laughs]

Emerson: Like the best Harry Potter fan, though. You know, when it would show Lavender being, you know, Lavender, she'd be like, "No!" You know? [laughs]

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Which I want to do at Azkatraz now. When Jessie Cave is like - what did she say, "He's mine," or something?

Ben: Ron's in the hospital wing and then Lavender comes in and says, "He's my boyfriend!" and that's when the girl behind me who was sitting next to Emerson goes, "No!"

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I want to do that at Azkatraz. Just have a group of people just go, "No!"

[Audience and Emerson laughs]

Andrew: That was really serious. But I got to admit, I got a little emo during the scene where you see Slughorn's real memory and when - the Hogwarts Tom Riddle. First of all that actor, not just the young Tom Riddle that we saw in the initial trailer but the guy who plays the Hogwarts version of Tom Riddle - who's not the same one as in Chamber of Secrets, Christian Coulson?

Ben: Yeah, that's his name.

Andrew: He's a different actor and he's a lot better. He's really - okay, maybe not better but he was just really creepy, he was very serious.

Ben: He pulled off the whole vindictiveness...

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Ben: ...very well.

The Ending

Andrew: And that's the scene where I was like, "Oh wow, I can't believe - " Like, hearing them talk about Horcruxes for the first time made me like, "Oh my god. It's like they're setting everything up. You know, this is the rest of the movie now. It's all about the Horcruxes." And another thing that was interesting was this felt like really the real part one to Book 7 because at the end it sort of left it a little open-ended. There's no big - they don't run off on the train like in all the years past and Hagrid waves bye and...

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: It's just a cute, happy ending. But this time it just sort of just stops. And it felt complete but it was left open, you know what I mean?

Emerson: Well Yates might be trying to make reparations for the Chamber of Secrets ending with Hagrid coming to the Great Hall and like a ten-minute long of cheese fest and smiles and hugs.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: I was to say, that was the worst ending.

Emerson: It was so awkward.

Ben: When I was little kid, that made me - I was like "Yeah, Hagrid's back!"

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: "Hagrid's back, everything's good again!"

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Emerson: When I saw that scene, I couldn't help but think, "They cut out what scenes for this?"

David Yates

Andrew: Yeah, that was pretty drawn out. Well speaking of David Yates, how about his directing style? Because this of course is the first time since Chris Columbus who directed one and two that we've seen a director direct two films. So do you guys think David Yates expanded on it, do you think he improved?

Emerson: I thought he had a really interesting comment, I think it was at the junket or perhaps it was at another interview. But he mentioned that when he filmed the last movie, he didn't really realize how big Harry Potter was. He'd never seen, you know, how you guys were at the premiere. And so he knew that Harry Potter was big but he really didn't grasp...

Andrew: The fan power.

Emerson: Right, how serious it was. He said he found himself with this movie being much more - second-guessing himself more because he was more worried about sending us into a bit of a tizzy. And I think this movie - I loved how it was just so balanced; the teen drama, injected humor and awesome action. It's like when you see the movie, it's just one after another. It's like in a row, one, two, three, one, two, three.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Emerson: But it's perfect. It's a perfect balance.

Ben: There'll be a really serious part and then all of a sudden something funny will happen to interrupt that and they do a great job.

Andrew: Micah, did you think Yates expanded or...?

Micah: Yeah, the thing overall everyone just seemed to feel more comfortable watching it on screen. Everyone seemed to work together very well. Whereas I thought Order of the Phoenix that didn't happen a whole lot. But I agree with what both Ben and Emerson said. I think it was much more balanced.

Andrew: Yeah. Like the one thing that bothered me with Order of the Phoenix was some of those transitions when they were going in and out of the newspapers, I just thought that was such a bad way of moving the story along. It was - I don't know, cheap? I don't know to describe it really.

Emerson: It was tough because they had...

Andrew: It was forced.

Emerson: ...a lot of material to cover.

Steve Kloves

Andrew: They did but - and Steve Kloves, the screen writer, said this at the junket yesterday, well he said Jo said to him, "Look, I understand you can't make the movies what the books are, but just keep the character development because that's what really matters to me the most." And they were emphasizing a lot how the books are really character-driven. I mean, that's what it really comes down to. That's why the stories are so great. I mean, the plots are great too, and like David Yates says, "I'm not a fan of magic really. I like it, but I'm not a fan. And, I'm not a fan of school stories. I like it, but I'm not a fan. But what I am a fan of is character development and that's what makes it work."

Emerson: I'm sorry, I have to - go ahead.

Ben: I was going to say, I think Steve Kloves did a great job. The actual writing in this film was great because I felt at the end of Goblet of Fire, when he messed up the Dumbledore speech it was kind of a hack job, I thought and I feel like maybe taking a movie off with Movie 5, maybe did him some good and then he was able to, I don't know, perform better for this latest film.

Andrew: Yeah, plus I think maybe when he was looking at Movie 5, he was like, "Damn, I could have written this better, I could have written this better," and he's getting - you know, it's pumping him up, so... And he said too, at the junket yesterday, he's such a big fan. And he's a really nice guy, he's like the only American guy on the crew, and...

Ben: U.S.A.!

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Ben: Sorry.

Andrew: Yeah, but he's just a really big fan and he's made that clear so many times, so he said, you know, "It pains me just as much to cut stuff out, but you have to do it because we don't have eight hours."

David Heyman

Emerson: You know who's a great guy to talk about Harry Potter with? David Heyman, the producer. When you talk to him, you can tell, he's so sincere and legitimate in his interest and desire to make the Harry Potter series as true to the books. And just respect our story, and it really comes through, and you can tell, when the movie got out I saw him on the way out and you know, I said, "David..."

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Emerson: ...with this big grin on my face and he just...

Ben: Hands down...

Andrew: And what'd he do?

Ben: And he just looks at me and you can just tell that he's really happy because he knows that we are not going to be forgiving if justice is not done to these books. So, it's - fun.

Andrew: Yeah, but also with Movie 7, I mean that's going to be a lot of pressure, and I wish I had asked one of them about that. You have these two parts of the film and they keep saying, "Oh, now we don't have to cut out as much, we don't have to cut out as much," But in reality, they're still going to have to cut out something, and when they do cut something out of Movie 7 parts one or two, fans are going to be more upset because we were promised more content. So I think it's going to be hard and I think there's a lot more pressure on them with that one.

Emerson's Story

Emerson: I have to have a completely unrelated anecdote that just popped into my head...

Andrew: Oh.

Emerson: ...and I apologize for this but at the actual showing of the movie, right - the way it works is you go in the theater and Alan Horn, the president of Warner Brothers, comes out on stage and he says, "I'd like to thank X, Y and Z, thanks the cast.."

Andrew: Did you boo him?

Emerson: What?

Andrew: Did you boo him?

Emerson: I didn't boo him.

Andrew: He's the one that delayed the film.

[Audience and Emerson laughs]

Emerson: Yeah and so he comes on stage and the cast come on stage and Dan says a few words, saying, "Hope you enjoy the film, had a great time filming it.." And so before that, Alan Horn - Heyman rather, introduces all the cast. He has them all come up on stage individually, and everyone claps and cheers for them and you can see who the most popular actors are based on how many screaming girls are just, you know, letting loose...

[Audience laughs]

Emerson: ...and he made a joke, right? That Dan, Emma and Rupert hadn't gone on stage yet and he was making a joke that, "Oh, that's everyone, thanks, enjoy the film." And then, so he starts asking Dan, Emma, and Rupert to come on stage, he says, "And finally, Dan Radcliffe, Rupert Grint...and then really inexplicably, he asks Verne Troyer. Verne Troyer was there with his family. And if you haven't seen them, they are the absolute cutest people in the entire world...

[Audience laughs]

Was it Verne Troyer or Warwick Davis?

Ben: It's not Verne Troyer, it's Warwick Davis.

Emerson: No, Verne Troyer was there.

Ben: Oh, was it Verne Troyer?

Andrew: Yeah.

Emerson: Yeah, Verne Troyer was there, who plays Griphook, and he's also Mini Me from Austin Powers.

Andrew: And he's little.

Ben: So he's this big, and it's just so cute, he's this big, and...

Andrew: If he's standing on the table, not stage-wise.

Ben: Oh yeah, standing on the table.

[Audience laughs]

Ben: So his entire family stacked on top of each other is about how tall I am. [laughs] So anyway, randomly he says, "Oh and Verne Troyer," and it's just really conspicuous. It's like, why wouldn't you announce him earlier with all the other cast? And I realized...

Ben: Is it Verne Troyer?

Emerson: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, it is, it is.

Ben: Warwick Davis plays Flitwick.

Emerson: Yes. Verne Troyer plays Griphook.

Ben: Oh.

[Audience laughs]

Emerson: Yeah.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Well...

Ben: No.

Andrew: ...I need to - no, you're right, you guys are right. There was some discrepancy with Movie 1 or something like that...

Ben: But it was Warwick Davis who was in the theater though...

Andrew: I think, yeah, but I thought on the cast list it said Verne Troyer. I was positive...

Emerson: Yeah, it was Verne Troyer. Yeah, it was Verne Troyer, it said Verne Troyer.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ben: It wasn't, but okay.

Emerson: It was.

[Audience laughs]

Ben: Because after they said it - like I used to...

Andrew: Hold on.

Emerson: Yeah, we have a sheet. Ben, they gave us a sheet with names and faces on it...

Andrew: And, yeah...

Emerson: ...and pictures and it said Verne Troyer.

Ben: That's fine, but it was Warwick Davis.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Ben: I can tell you it was Warwick Davis because after...

Andrew: I'm going to go check...

Ben: ...he said Warwick Davis, I leaned over to Melissa and said, [puts on Hagrid voice] "Warwick Davis."

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: I really did. It was Warwick Davis.

[Andrew laughs]

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