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Andrew: Because we've reached four years of Harry Potter podcasting, this is MuggleCast Episode 178 for August 20th, 2009.
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Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 178. It's been a few weeks, but we have a lovely little group here this week. We have...
[Ben blows his nose]
Andrew: ...Micah, Jamie and Ben, alongside me. Not bad, and that's very rude to blow your nose.
Jamie: It is rude.
Ben: I'm sorry man. I've got allergies. It's hay fever.
Andrew: Four years of podcasting, we're here to celebrate four years of MuggleCast, and to celebrate our professionalism over the years, and this is how you...
Andrew: ...start off the show.
Micah: Well, he's just so upset. He can't believe it's been four years.
Ben: I know. Tears of joy, tears of joy Andrew.
Jamie: Yeah, allergies, you can't believe they're allergies.
Andrew: Jamie, how have you been? It's been a while.
Jamie: Good. Good. I'm a working man now. I'm a working man trying to work my way up in the harsh world of careers.
Micah: It's not easy.
Andrew: And Ben, Ben?
Jamie: It's not easy.
Andrew: Yeah, Jamie, I don't know if you know this, but Micah is unemployed right now.
Jamie: No, no, yeah, yeah, you've been having interviews, haven't you, all over the place?
Micah: Yep. None of them have turned into anything, though, yet.
Jamie: Oh. Oh well, keep it up.
Andrew: And Ben's back in Kansas.
Ben: I know, back to where it all began.
Ben: Back before Andrew Sims became the Howard Stern of Harry Potter.
Andrew: Hey now, well anyway. We have a great show today. We're going to catch up on some news, get to some e-mails, and commemorate four years of MuggleCast. I'm Andrew Sims.
Ben: I'm Ben Schoen.
Jamie: I'm Jamie Lawrence.
Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
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Andrew: All right, Micah, what's been going on in the news over the past few weeks?
Micah: Well, Half-Blood Prince continues to do well at the box office. The most recent numbers I was able to find, it's made $577.7 million dollars internationally.
Andrew: That's all right.
Micah: And worldwide it's at $861.7 million, making it number seventeen among all-time box office earners, just behind Finding Nemo.
Andrew: That's okay, I mean, it's all right.
Micah: Yeah, I mean, its pocket change, right? I mean, if you were a businessman.
Jamie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so why don't we get Ben's opinion.
Andrew: [laughs] Jamie, What'd you think of the movie? We haven't heard what you thought about it yet.
Jamie: I thought it was pretty awesome.
Andrew: Have you seen it?
Jamie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen it.
Andrew: You know it's out? I'm kidding.
[Andrew and Jamie laugh]
Jamie: Yeah, yeah.
Andrew: Tell us what you thought about it.
Jamie: I thought it was pretty awesome. The one thing that was going to spoil it for me was when Harry was underneath the tower, and Dumbledore, you know, they've just come back from the cave and Snape - oh sorry, the Death Eaters come in. I thought that if Dumbledore didn't petrify - he immobilizes Harry, right?
Jamie: With his wand, right? But he didn't do that in the movie. And that for me was going to ruin it until Snape came down and put his finger to his lips because I thought that, you know, Harry is such a stubborn character that like, even if all these Death Eaters were there and they were going to kill Dumbledore, he would break out there and say, "No, no, no. You can't kill him," and stuff so I'm glad Snape - that was explained, because I was like, "you really can't do that." I thought it was awesome. I thought Greyback was incredible. But like, he's a cage...
Jamie: He's a cage fighter. You know?
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. He was cool - well, what did you like about him? I mean, just some people were saying, you know, he didn't talk - he really didn't have any lines - he was sort of just in the background the whole time.
Jamie: Yeah, but he wasn't going to, or was he? I was always thought in the movies he'd be one of those characters that was, you know, visually impressive but they wouldn't give him anything...
Jamie: ...because they didn't really have enough time.
Andrew: True, true.
Jamie: I thought why the locket scene was pretty awesome. Like, the fire when Harry was underwater was incredible.
Andrew: Yeah, it was.
Jamie: I thought the opening with London was really, really done well. I like that they started the movie with a very, very, normal tone so it's sort of wasn't a Harry Potter film straight away and then it turned into one, which was awesome.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.
Jamie: And - trying to think.
Andrew: Favorite film yet?
Andrew: Best film yet?
Jamie: Oh, yeah, easily. Easily, easily, easily. That doesn't surprise me though because I just think they get better once they learn how to do it. Like, I saw the first one...
Jamie: ...the other day, and I was like, "Oh my God, that is terrible."
Andrew: Yeah. I watched Sorcerer's Stone after I saw Half-Blood Prince for the first time...
Jamie: Yeah, yeah.
Andrew: ...and, like, the Quidditch - just looking at how that's advanced so much. Like the Quidditch was so - like just the visual effects...
Jamie: Yeah, yeah.
Andrew: ...are so much more realistic, and so Sorcerer's Stone is so much more colorful and perfect and then this is just a miserable Quidditch stadium. It was really cool.
Ben: Sorcerer's Stone came out in 2001, right?
Jamie: Don't know.
Andrew: Or was it 2000? I can never remember. It was one of the two. But yeah, it's been it's almost, it's going to be ten years since the first film.
Jamie: Yeah. That's insane. Well, I thought it was an awesome movie though. Overall, really, really good.
Andrew: Cool. Well, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Jamie: That's what I thought when I watched it.
Micah: I was going to ask you; did you ever have a problem with the whole Snape not saying: "Don't call me a coward?"
Jamie: Like - wait. I thought he did. Didn't he?
Andrew: Well, Harry says to Snape...
Jamie: "You coward?" Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah, but Snape doesn't say anything back, whereas in the book it's...
Jamie: Not really. Like, like...
Jamie: ...like, I think that's a very book thing, like Snape's possibility of being evil or good and he's like - I think when you turn a book into a film you can't - you have to personify characters in very different ways because it's a completely different medium. And I think that's part of the books whereas Snape is, you know, Snape is tortured. He has this good side but he doesn't like it to be revealed and that's like one moment where it just comes through, he feels like Harry's taking the Mickey, really. Do you know that phrase, "taking the Mickey?"
Micah: I've heard it before.
Jamie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ben: Is that "taking the piss?"
Jamie: The wee-wee? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jamie: Because you know, Snape's like, "I've done all this for you," but in the films, if they put that in the people who just went to see it generally, they'd be like, "well, that's - well Snape's a strong character, it's a bit weak." And I don't think it would have worked, really. Er - but no, no. I like - I thought it was damn good. I think Dan's got pretty good to be honest.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah. Yes, really...
Micah: Do you think Snape's allegiance is too obvious?
Jamie: I thought Dumbledore's "Severus, please," was a bit - I didn't like that at all - he wasn't really pleading enough - and I know in the book when it's just text it leaves it open to whether it's "Severus, please kill me," or "Please don't kill me," and in the film that's a lot harder to do because the inflection is harder to...
Jamie: ...fake, but I didn't think that was well done.
Jamie: I know what you're saying. But then I don't think Alan Rickman has ever been that type of Snape that is shady as he should be in so you don't really know what he's about. I always think he's being mean, and that's fine because he does what he does very, very well but I think, I don't know, I've never seen - like, if I was Voldemort I could tell in an instant that he wasn't working for me, I don't think he's evil enough, to be honest. I think he would be more obvious if he was - if he could show that evil side which he doesn't really do. Trying to think. I'll tell you what was cool; Bellatrix and thingy-me-bob setting the house on fire. Do you think that was cool?
Andrew: Yeah, it was okay. I mean, it was a new scene that wasn't in the book as I'm sure everybody knows by now.
Jamie: Yeah, yeah.
Andrew: I don't know. It was all right.
Ben: I always thought it was weird how quickly they reset after watching the Burrow burn down. It was just like, "woohoo! Everything's cool."
Jamie: Yeah, yeah. That is pretty true. Yeah, yeah.
Andrew: Yeah. It was really - just the whole film was just it just kept going from happy to dark, happy to dark, happy to dark, happy to...
Jamie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew: I thought it worked pretty well.
Micah: Did you like Slughorn?
Ben: It was a very a bit bipolar. Some.
Andrew: [laughs] It was!
Jamie: It was slightly, yeah, yeah.
Ben: Yeah, that's the best way to describe it.
Andrew: Maybe the screenwriter what's his...
Ben: Steve Clovis? Well he did take a film off. Maybe he was battling - never mind.
Jamie: Suffering, yeah maybe he was in rehab. It's got to be a stressful job writing Harry Potter.
Andrew: Oh yeah, think of all the fans.
Jamie: Yeah but think of the money.
Micah: If you're a businessman you think of the money.
Jamie: Oh you first on your list.
Andrew: Damn straight. [laughs] Anyway, what did you think of Slughorn?
Jamie: I he was decent; again he wasn't like I thought he was going to be but that's fine because you can't expect him to be. He's a tortured character.
Ben: I expected him to be fat.
Jamie: Fatter, yeah definitely, definitely. He was good though, you could tell he wasn't pleased with what he had done you know and like he was pretty ashamed of himself which was good but I just don't think he seemed to be aware of the fact that everyone knew he was collecting people, rather than like in the book I think he's like very, very unaware of it. He just thinks it's normal and he thinks he does it so all these famous people protect him from criticism. Whereas like in the film it was more like I do it and I know I do it and you can either accept it or not.
Andrew: Maybe it was so the viewers had an easier understanding of what he was doing?
Jamie: Maybe, maybe, I mean that could be it cause yeah I don't know like quite a few characters have been written for people who have read the first few books like character style has been, like, I don't know, like people generally wear their hearts on their sleeves and if you don't know that then I guess characters can be confusing but I don't know.
Andrew: Well good points all around Jamie.
Jamie: Well thank you.
Andrew: I know people were very excited to hear your review.
Jamie: Well maybe I should say a bit more, then.
Andrew: If you want.
Jamie: I don't think I've said that much. Oh God yeah when Malfoy stamps on Harry's face, that was disgusting.
Andrew: Oh yeah that was cringe worthy. How about did you shake when Harry reaches into the water in the cave and the Inferi come out and grab his arm?
Jamie: Oh they were pretty scary, again though they weren't what I thought they'd be. I would've thought an animated dead body is soulless and creeps around it's not like they were pretty animated for what was like supposed to be a dead body, you know, like, puppetry without strings but again I think it would've taken away from the speed of the scene if you made them walking slow again it's like the Ring Wraiths the speed of Lord of the Rings, it's like a three and a half hour film or whatever so you can afford to have people slow it down like that you get a sense but the Dementors, you know it's a lot more dangerous, the danger is there imminently whereas the Ring Wraiths they can find you all over the place so they don't even need to be fast. I think that's kind of like the Inferi but...
Ben: Now Jamie, Jamie, Jamie, Emma Watson. Hot or not?
Jamie: She's okay, she's okay.
Ben: I meant her acting.
Jamie: I don't think you can call acting hot or not, though.
Andrew: Well you could, if hot means, like...
Ben: Awesome, good.
Jamie: Yeah. Oh yeah one thing I remember, do you remember when Malfoy is putting stuff into the vanishing cabinet and then he cries because the thing's died when it comes back.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah.
Jamie: I thought the worst thing was the apple scenario when he used the apple and it came back with a bite taken out of it. I kind of, I don't know if this was intentional, but I saw that as Adam and Eve taking a bite of the apple and him turning evil which is one of the most clich้d movie, - what's it called - metaphors you can make. It's terrible. It's like in science fiction when people like there's an atomic bomb that blows up the world and leaves a garden with two people in it and a tree. I thought that was...
Andrew: Did that happen in the movie? Am I forgetting something?
Jamie: Well yeah, he puts an apple in at Hogwarts and he waits and it comes back from Borgin and Burke's and there's a bite taken out of it.
Andrew: See there was a part, I saw the movie a couple of times, and there was a part that I would sleep through every time because it was so boring and I guess that was it.
Jamie: Oh yeah yeah, but Tom Felton I felt was a complete professional, his acting has gotten very, very good. No screwing about, he just did what he had to do. He didn't have that much screen time and I thought he did a lot with what screen time he had. You know?
Ben: Yeah I thought he was really good too and something that I noticed was on Rotten Tomatoes, they had when it says like starring, all the other films say Emma Watson, Rupert Grint, Daniel Radcliffe, not in that order, but this one had Tom Felton as one of the stars, too.
Jamie: Oh really? Oh yeah, yeah.
Andrew: Yeah. He was doing most of the promotion for this film, too, if you guys remember back in July, he was everywhere so...
Ben: Andrew didn't you do an event with him?
Andrew: I did do an event with Tom Felton. He's a very nice guy.
Jamie: You did an event with him, did you?
Andrew: Yeah. In North Jersey after the premiere, and it was cool. It was at this mall and it was awesome.
Jamie: Andrew, you're moving on.
Andrew: I know.
Jamie: The 16 year old excited Harry Potter fan that we used to know is gone.
Andrew: No, I'm still there. I'm still there, I'm just 20.
Jamie: Oh yeah. Oh! Also, the - wait, I missed your birthday, didn't I?
Andrew: That's okay.
Ben: Yeah, it was like 5 months ago.
Andrew: It was back in May. No, it's fine.
Jamie: Oh no, Ben. When's your birthday? That's what I meant.
Ben: My birthday's next week. August 24th.
Jamie: That's what I meant, sorry. I got you confused. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course.
Andrew: Oh! Well, it's okay to miss my birthday, but not Ben's? Is that what you're saying?
Jamie: No, no! I did wish you a happy birthday because it was like a year ago.
Andrew: Yeah, you did.
Micah: And my birthday.
Ben: And Micah's birthday.
Andrew: Oh yeah. Micah's birthday was the other day.
Jamie: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you can all forget my birthday then, that's fine.
Jamie: It happens every year. It's not like, you know we can't celebrate...
Ben: Jamie, how old are you going to be, like 29?
Jamie: 23 this year.
Andrew: Ow, ow. That's not old at all.
Jamie: That is old.
Jamie: That is old.
Andrew: How do you think Micah feels?
Ben: I remember when Jamie was 19 and I was like 15. I was like, "Whoa! He's so old."
Andrew: We've all grown up together. We'll talk about Half-Blood Prince more later with the other feedback because people have lots to say about Half-Blood Prince still. It's still hot on everyone's minds. So, anyway, continuing with news, Micah. What else is going on? What else has been going on?
Micah: Shifting over to Deathly Hallows, there's been a lot of filming going on for the final film, and first piece was actor Mike Edmonds, who is said to play one of the Gringotts goblins in the seventh movie, said that he's going to start filming in October. So, I guess that gives us a little bit of insight as to when these scenes are going to be shot.
Andrew: Okay. I will mark it on my calendar.
Micah: I'm sure you will.
Andrew: October: Gringotts filming.
Micah: All right?
Andrew: Got it.
Micah: And also, some other stuff going on at Bovingdon Airfield in England. Jamie, do you know about this place?
Jamie: No. No. I think that must be a small private one because it's not one of the big ones. Bovingdon Air - yeah, I think it's a private one.
Micah: All right.
Andrew: What about it?
Micah: Well, the pictures that we got show an open road, or I guess an airstrip, surrounded on each side by long lines of lighting cranes, and the consensus seemed to be that they were shooting something for "The Seven Potters." What that might be, I don't know.
Jamie: That's going to be an incredible scene. That - I hope that's done well because that's going to like - that sets the tone for the Seventh Book. If you screw that up, then you've screwed up like the tension for the book, you know?
Ben: I want to see Ralph Fiennes flying through the sky without a broom.
Jamie: Yeah. Yeah. That will be cool. Yeah, I agree. You want to see Hedwig dying, don't you?
Andrew: It's going to be...
Andrew: "The Seven Potters" scene was the coolest scene in the book, I thought.
Andrew: Or one of the coolest. It was just so clever, and so I just cannot wait to see that on film.
Ben: There's a Remus Lupin's song called "The Seven Potters."
Andrew: Yes there is. He's a popular wizard rocker, isn't he?
Ben: Yeah, he's like the Michael Jackson of wizard rock, I guess you could say.
Andrew: True. Only alive.
Jamie: Only alive, yeah.
Ben: Wow, too soon.
Andrew: Yeah. It's kind of sketchy what they're doing. Like these photos at this airfield, it's like - I don't even know, like they have all these cranes in a line. It's weird. Maybe it's some sort of filming technique. They're going to have cameras up on every one or who knows? Or lights.
Micah: Some kind of landing, maybe.
Andrew: Maybe. Yeah, maybe that's where Hagrid's going to take off with his motorcycle. Start flying.
Ben: Yo, Jamie! Who has a scarier nose? Voldemort or Michael Jackson?
Jamie: Michael Jackson. Well, what? He's dead, so it's probably decomposing now, so.
Ben: No, it was decomposing when he was alive. I just saw a special on it...
Jamie: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is true, yeah.
Ben: ...called "The Faces of Michael Jackson." We should do a special called "The Faces of Voldemort," and have pictures of him as young Tom Riddle, and then like the transformation.
Jamie: Do you know, though, did you know that I saw the first film, and I thought like the Voldemort on the back of Quirrell's head was weird.
Jamie: Like not Voldemort I pictured at all. Like, do you know what I mean? It was obviously done...
Andrew: Like special effects wise?
Jamie: No, no, no. Like special effects, it was fine. Just like - it was "You see what I've become." He didn't like - Voldemort treats Harry with like complete contempt. He treated him with like a bit of respect there, and he's like, you know, "You have to see what you've done to me" whereas, in the books, Voldemort's "Harry Potter is not special. Every time he's, irked me, its because I've made a mistake, and I've screwed up." Whereas there it was, "You see what I've become?" You just have an air that it was Harry's fault, whereas Voldemort didn't ever believe that.
Andrew: Yeah. True.
Jamie: I don't know.
Andrew: Go ahead, Micah.
Micah: Just a couple of other Deathly Hallows notes. The wedding scene was supposedly filmed on August 10th, and we know that because a David Thewlis fansite was recently visiting the exhibition out in Chicago and they said a couple of David's things had to be shipped back to Leavesden Studios...
Jamie: No way!
Micah: ...so he could wear them during the wedding sequence.
Andrew: That's pretty cool. How they let the exhibit borrow that stuff even though they have to send it back anyway.
Micah: The shipping cost must not be too cheap on that.
Jamie: I bet they get it free.
Andrew: For free?
Jamie: Warner Brothers Mail. They just call up some shadowy courier who just...
Jamie: I bet they fly on Air Force One.
Andrew: [laughs] It is very important, yeah.
Micah: Obama took it himself.
Andrew: Obama delivered it, yeah.
Jamie: Yeah, he put it in his suitcase.
Jamie: Do you know what's going to be a really interesting scene in book seven? In Godric's Hollow when the snake comes out of Bagshot's neck. That'll be NC-17 if they do that properly.
Jamie: Of course they won't, they'll lose their balls.
Andrew: Yeah, they'll dumb it down.
Andrew: The camera will go to black for a second...
Jamie: Yeah, yeah.
Andrew: ...and you'll come back and you'll see it out of...
Jamie: Yeah, exactly.
Andrew: Go ahead, Micah. Onward!
Micah: Then the final bit of news on Deathly Hallows. A couple, Chris and Maria who met through Harry Potter recently received the unique opportunity to visit the set of Deathly Hallows. And being the good fans that they are, they really went into detail about what they saw there. And among some of the sets they visited were Luna's house, the Room of Requirement, the Great Hall, so...
Andrew: But then WB made them take their report down so [laughs]...
Jamie: No way! Really?
Andrew: ...it was good while it lasted. Yeah, yeah they took it down.
Ben: Well, that was to be expected.
Andrew: Yeah, I was really surprised by the amount it was a really good report. They went into a lot of detail, but I was wondering why W.B. let them go on the set.
Micah: Right. Why would you do that?
Andrew: They were visiting from America.
Ben: I doubt they'll be invited back.
[Andrew and Jamie laugh]
Andrew: Well it's also a once in a lifetime thing. It's not some annual pass.
Jamie: Why were they invited then? What happened?
Andrew: I don't know. They were going on a honeymoon in England and I guess W.B. really liked their story I guess, because they met through Harry Potter. I don't know. I should try that.
Micah: That's pretty wrong though.
Andrew: I met Jamie through Harry Potter.
Jamie: Yeah, yeah.
Andrew: And we're celebrating our fifth friendship anniversary. So can we go?
Jamie: So please can we go to the thing, yeah?
Andrew: Yeah, yeah, yeah...
Jamie: Should we try it?
Andrew: Yeah, let's try it. [laughs]
Jamie: I think we should. We may as well. What've we got to lose?
Ben: Screw that dude, I'm going on the set.
[Andrew and Jamie laugh]
Ben: I'm going to go on the set and burn it down.
Ben: I'm just kidding.
Jamie: What anniversary is it of yours?
Ben: Huh? What anniversary?
Andrew: Yeah, what story are you going to give them?
Ben: I'm going on 6 years. Being on this MooglyNet.
Andrew: How about you could tell them two years since you tried to hit on Emma at the Order of the Phoenix after-party.
Jamie: Yeah. Or, or, or...
Ben: That was epic fail.
Micah: You know we're probably the reason why they have to take down that report.
Micah: Because I doubt W.B. found that site randomly.
Andrew: Well, yeah. But it was spread throughout the fandom. It's - yeah.
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