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Micah: Because Ben is starting a new trend in high schools, this is MuggleCast Episode 185 for November 22nd, 2009.

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Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 185. We're here for another episode. It's all Potter all the time here on MuggleCast, and do you guys know that we're now just one year away from Deathly Hallows: Part I?

Ben: Oh.

Matt: Oh snap.

Andrew: Is this sad news? Or is this happy or bittersweet or what's the feeling?

Ben: I think bittersweet is the word, Andrew.

Andrew: Hm.

Matt: I'd have to agree.

Andrew: I would have been really depressed if it was Part II that we're a year away from, but luckily we're still about 18 months away from that or a little more than that.

Micah: Well for right now we're one year away, you never know with Warner Brothers.

Andrew: [laughs] Right.

Matt: They can delay it three years.

Andrew: I don't know. I'm still sticking with the theory that they can move it up to Summer because I think, from a filming perspective, it will be ready in time, but I don't know. So we're about a year away from the film's release and it's pretty sad. Well it's not sad. It's bittersweet as Ben said. We have a great episode for everyone today, we're going to go through Chapter-by-Chapter, we're going to bring an old segment back we haven't done in a while and of course discuss the news. I'm Andrew Sims.

Ben: I'm Ben Schoen.

Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum

Matt: I'm Matt Britton.

Nick: And I'm Nick Myers.

Ben: Matt, it sounded like you forgot who you were for a second.

Micah: Yeah, I was going to say.

Matt: It's been a couple months since I've been on.

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Andrew: All right Micah, what's in the news this week?

News: Ultimate Edition Previews

Micah: You know Andrew; I'm actually kind of disappointed with something that was in the news. This first point here, direct download links for the ultimate edition previews of both Sorcerer's Stone and Chamber of Secrets. What's the deal with putting all this stuff online? Isn't the idea to go and buy the DVD, you bring it home, you watch it. Now all this stuff is available for people just to go online they watch it, they don't need to buy the DVD.

Andrew: Well, this is all promotional material. There's going to be an hour from each of these DVDs with the behind the scenes look. I think it's an hour for each of them. Right?

Ben: And that hasn't been released, has it?

Andrew: No.

Micah: Not yet.

Andrew: But what we're seeing are clips from what the hour long special on each of these DVDs is going to be.

Ben: Oh, so they're trying to whet our appetites.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Make us - try to make us go out and get the DVD when it does come out.

Andrew: That's right. I think it's kind of cool. I mean, has anyone watched these clips?

Nick: Yeah, I agree with Micah. They're giving too much away I think.

Andrew: Aw, you guys. You're just so - you're spoiled.

Matt: It's a great novelty, but I mean...

Micah: Spoiled?

Matt: There is a lot though. I mean if they released just a few of them then I could - I don't see any problem with it, but dang it looks like there are eighteen videos.

Andrew: Okay well yeah, there are a lot...

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: ...but they're all a couple of minutes. I don't know.

Micah: This would be the opposite of being spoiled. We don't want to be spoiled, that's the whole point. I mean if you're going to go out there and spend money on this collection of DVDs for both the movies - I mean it's good to have maybe one video that you put out there that showcases the ultimate editions, but to have all of this stuff? I mean it's, I don't know, I don't agree with that.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Bad move by Warner Brothers.

Andrew: Well I think they're really just trying to promote it and you know this is sort of what happens with all the clips from all the movies. There's a ton of movie clips. Maybe they're confident there's tons of material - I don't know.

Ben: Micah what if I can't afford the DVD?

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Are you telling me I shouldn't at least be able to get a glimpse of it?

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Come on Micah.

[Matt and Nick laugh]

Andrew: Rebuttal Micah?

Ben: Come on.

Micah: No, no that's a really good point.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Go torrent download it.

Andrew: Well these clips are cool. There's a lot of great insight we get into the making of the first two films, and I think the insight into these two films are going to be most interesting out of all the ultimate editions because this is the start of everything, and one of the clips that we see has Chris Columbus and David Heyman talking about their relationship with one another, their working relationship and they also focus a lot on the - getting the kids to act because this was the - for Dan, Emma, and Rupert this was their first, very first film.

Ben: This was back in the day man.

Andrew: Well big film. Dan did one other film - or two other films before this - very small.

Matt: I think he did two.

Andrew: Two.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And they - one interesting thing that we learned is they had multiple cameras rolling for every - for almost every scene that they were in because they wanted to make sure they got the best shot of each person in every take because they never knew when they were going to miss an opportunity because these kids just weren't experienced enough, and that's rare in - I'm going to turn into Mikey B. for a second - that's rare for filming because usually they just use one camera at a time.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: They filmed this more like a sitcom sort of style you know where its multiple cameras going at once.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Or documentary style.

Matt: Well also the way that they were talking about it, it seemed like David Heyman and Chris Columbus - it seemed like it was a big job for them. It was almost like annoying to the fact that the kids just couldn't do it in some takes.

Andrew: Yeah they said it was really hard, and plus they had school. You know they had to get scenes in before they had to go get tutored and all that, so.

Micah: It was interesting listening to David Heyman talk about how Chris Columbus really didn't have to listen to anything he said.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: David Heyman was kind of the J.K. Rowling - oh what's the word?

Andrew: Of the series?

Micah: He was put - yeah he was so into the books and he basically said Chris didn't have to pay any attention to what he was saying but he really kind of listened to everything he had to say.

Andrew: Right. So these are coming out December 8th along with the Half Blood Prince DVD. I am really excited for these, but I'm starting to think I'm going to ask for the ultimate editions for Christmas.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: We should plug that section we created for the ultimate DVDs. What do you think?

Andrew: Yeah. Absolutely.

Micah: Where all these links are now available there.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: So you can go over there and watch to your heart's content if you can't afford the DVD.

Andrew: Yeah just go to and on the left side under movies there's a link for ultimate edition DVDs and it's your one stop - it's the ultimate resource for the ultimate edition DVDs.

Ben: Ultimate - ultimate - ultimate.

Matt: Ultimate.

Andrew: Super ultimate.

Micah: There is another cool video, just to bring it up real fast.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Where they are talking about Dan and how originally his parents didn't want him to take the role.

Andrew: Yeah! And then...

Micah: So...

Ben: I bet they'd be kicking themselves over that one.

Micah: Yeah really.

Matt: [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew: Well yeah because their parents said they thought it was too big for him. He wouldn't - what was the wording Micah? Like they didn't...

Micah: No, you got it right.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: They thought it would be too much for him to take on.

Andrew: Yeah, and then by some weird coincidence David Heyman was with - who was it? I'm forgetting the story. They were at this theater...

Micah: He was with Steve Kloves.

Andrew: Steve Kloves yeah, and they - they were sitting near Dan and his parents. And David Heyman kept turning back to look at Dan like, "Oh my god, he's perfect, he's perfect, he's perfect." And Dan - there's an interview with him on the Chamber of Secrets set, and on the Deathly Hallows set re-telling that story, where he's like, seeing this guy looking at him, but he's like, "why does he keep staring at me?" [laughs]. It's a pretty wild twist of fate, and a really cool story.

Ben: I'd be creeped out if I was in public.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Yeah, seriously.

Ben: Like, some weird dude just kept like, turning around looking at me.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: You're like ten years old and some old guy just keeps staring back in front of you for like ten really long seconds.

Andrew: Yeah, I wouldn't mind a guy checking me out if it meant I was going to be in the top grossing franchise of all time.

Ben: Good point.

[Andrew, Ben, and Micah laugh]

Matt: Yeah, there you go.

Andrew: Micah, what else is going on?

News: Dan's Voice Headed for The Simpsons

Micah: Well speaking of Dan, he's set to star in an upcoming episode of The Simpsons.

Ben: Now wait a second, Micah, come on dude, you made this up. Come on.

Andrew: No, this is real.

Micah: I made it up?

Ben: Yeah, come on.

Micah: Oh, oh, you mean, the news is supposed to actually come from a source?

Ben: Yeah, exactly. Oh, well no, no, I mean, The Simpsons is a cartoon, and Daniel Radcliffe is a human.

[Andrew scoffs]

Micah: Oh, oh, I see what you mean.

Andrew: He's going to be voicing a character!

Matt: Oh!

Ben: So he's not actually going to be the star in it. Let's just get that...

Micah: No he's not. You're right.

Ben: people don't get confused.

Micah: You know, I appreciate you looking out for me like that. I don't want to be making those types of mistakes.

Andrew: So, go ahead, to tell us the details.

Micah: So he'll be in - playing a character...

[Matt laughs]

Micah: the upcoming episode of The Simpsons but the episode won't be aired until next year, around Halloween time. I think he's going to be on their Halloween show.

Andrew: Yeah, and it's going to be a Twilight spoof, he's going to be playing a character called Edmond. And, that should be pretty funny. I'm surprised their announcing this so far in advance, like, because you know, the last Halloween special just came out.

Micah: That's true. I wonder how far in advance they do these?

Matt: Well, I would think it doesn't take that long to an episode of The Simpsons though.

Andrew: No.

Matt: I mean, they've been chucking them out for like, twenty years now.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: That's true.

Andrew: Well, that's why I'm wondering why they announced this so far in advanced. It almost seemed like a joke because it was so far ahead. But, I guess maybe they're going to time it around the release of the movie. But yeah, that's pretty cool. I know a lot of people were happy to see that because I think Dan once said, that was one of his dreams was to be in The Simpsons so, because I think he's a big fan of the show, so...

Ben: Sometimes dreams really do come true.

Andrew: That's so right.

News: Harry Potter Spells App

Micah: Well the final piece of news, there was a Harry Potter spells app for the iPhone and the iPod Touch that was released this past week, and there's an instructional video that Warner Brothers - I guess it was Warner Brothers who sent it along?

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: I didn't know from the e-mail, like, random people sending you...

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: ...instructional videos. But the guy who created the app actually sat down and created a video for those people who bought it so they can learn how to properly use...

Andrew: Yeah, here's the thing. This app came out this past Monday, and I got to be honest with you, it was very hard to work. For something that should be simple, where you're just making these simple gestures, I had a very difficult time learning it, and I posted a review on MuggleNet and, I'm not saying this guy made the video just because I was complaining, but I think a lot of people complained about it. So, they released this video, and it's so cheesy.

Micah: It really is.

Andrew: Some guy is holding up a camera for the guy who made the app. And they whole time he does the spells, he's looking straight at the camera, and it's just like creepy. [laughs] And he tries to teach you how to do it, and he can do the spells right, but like, I've tried it, it's impossible. Nick, did you get the app? Don't you have an iPhone or something...

Nick: No, I read your review and decided not to get it in the end.

Andrew: Oh. [laughs]

Nick: I love the fans who made excuses for it, saying that it's hard to learn spells in the books, so it should be just as hard as to perform to perform them on the iPhone.

Andrew: Oh, that's nonsense.

Matt: I completely agree though. I mean, I'm all ready to Avada Kedavra Andrew.

Andrew: Are you really?

Matt: Well no, but I'm close.

Andrew: What were you saying Ben?

Ben: I was just saying, how much did this app cost?

Micah: Ten bucks?

Andrew: Four ninety-nine.

Matt: Eight thousand dollars.

Ben: Whoa.

Andrew: It's pretty expensive for an app.

Ben: Especially one that doesn't even work right.

Andrew: [laughs] Right. I mean it's a cool idea and concept and the technology built into the iPhone makes perfect sense in terms of turning it into a wand app and I hope they improve it. It's just ridiculous how difficult it is to cast these spells. I'm telling you, this guy made this video just because it's so hard to work. He makes it look easy, but trust me, it is not.

Ben: Well he's just on a different level than you.

Micah: It's funny though. [laughs] Yeah, clearly. Watching that video it's weird because like you said he makes it seem so easy. You ask yourself the question why would you even buy this app in the first place.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: But, you're giving out all these complaints so it must be pretty bad. And that's all the news.

Andrew: Cool.

Ben: Wow, Micah.

Andrew: It's been a kind of slow news week. Of course when the DVD is released we will have plenty to talk about then.

Ben: Oh tonnes.

Andrew: It will probably be our next episode.!

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Muggle Mail: The Deathday Party

Andrew: Okay, so let's get into Muggle Mail now and then we will move along to Chapter-by-Chapter. Ben, could you read the first e-mail?

Ben: I would love to Andrew! Josh, 20, from Moon Park, California - Andrew, where is Moon Park California?

Andrew: I don't know. I'll Google Map and let you know how far away.

Matt: Wait, Moorpark, right?

Ben: Moorpark, sorry. Not Moon Park, my bad. Moorpark, California. Thanks Matt.

Matt: You're welcome, Ben.

Ben: Josh writes:

"Hi MuggleCast hosts! I was just wondering what your thoughts were on the Deathday Party's omission from the second movie. I know time didn't allow for this scene, but they must have been planning it in the early drafts of the script. On the 'Chamber of Secrets' DVD, disc two go to Behind Hogwarts and click on 'Gallery of Productions Sketches.' Click right twice, and click on the bottom right portrait. Then you will see an artist's rendering of the Deathday scene. So at what point in production do you think this scene was cut?"

Andrew: Yeah, I wonder what happened with that. Do you think maybe it was a budget thing because obviously it would take a lot of money to come up with a scene where there are hundreds of ghosts? I wonder if it was just for budget purposes.

Ben: Maybe they just had so much to do they couldn't be bothered.

Micah: It wasn't a deleted scene?

Andrew: No, no. It wasn't a deleted scene. It seems like they were planning on including it and got to the production sketches but then - it disappeared.

Ben: The lost scene.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Matt: Maybe it just slowed down the pace? Maybe they just realized it would slow down the movie a little bit?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: So they just decided to cut it.

Andrew: Yeah, I think there is probably a variety of reasons why they decided to cut it, but I had forgotten that there was a production.

Micah: So how did they change the movie? I'm forgetting now.

Andrew: It wasn't included.

Micah: No, no. I'm saying because after that is when they find Mrs. Norris. What did they do to change it around so that they took that scene out?

Andrew: Was it after they went to eat?

Matt: Oh, yeah it was after - I know Nearly Headless Nick grabbed him after he came out of the Great Hall or something and asked if he could come with him.

Andrew: Something like that.

Matt: Something.

Andrew: Anyway, Nick, could you read the next e-mail?

Muggle Mail: Rubeus Schoen

Nick: Yeah, sure. Next e-mail is from Kelly. She is 18, and from Massachusetts. She writes:

"Hey MuggleCast! This is Kelly. I have been listening to your show starting with Episode 173 and have never sent an e-mail before now. I was listening to your latest show, 184, and at 5:03 to 5:06, Ben Schoen nearly made me die with laughter when he said 'Rubeus Hagrid" and again at 5:28-5:29 in that crazy accent. Haha, for some reason I just find it hilarious and now it's an inside joke at my school. My friends and I will just start laughing. All I have to say is that Ben, you should talk in that accent more often because it really is funny. Keep up the great work, MuggleCast. Can't wait for the next show. Peace."

Andrew: So look at that Ben. You made a new fan.

Matt: You made a new phrase at that school.

Ben: [as Hagrid] Awesome! [as himself] What's that? What did you say, Matt?

Matt: You made a new catch phrase, too, at that school.

Ben: You know, I'm a trendsetter, that's what they tell me.

Micah: Can you do one for us?

Ben: [as Hagrid] Rubeus!

Micah: Yeah, there we go.

Nick: Can you give us a "Rubeus Hagrid"?

Ben: [as Hagrid] Micah!

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Micah!

Andrew: Say, "Micah, what's in the news?"

Ben: [as Hagrid] Micah, what's in the news?

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: [as Hagrid] Rubeus Hagrid! Rahh!

Andrew: That never gets old!

Ben: I know!

Andrew: It's really good!

Ben: It's been going on for years, man!

Andrew: We're going to have to come up with scenes for you. Because you know how you always say the same things? Which is good, but we're going to need to come up with some new material for you.

Matt: Change it up a bit.

Ben: Yeah, I've been saying this stuff for like four years.

Micah: How about "Great man, Dumbledore"?

Ben: [as Dumbledore] Dumbledore?

Andrew: No, no, no. Say it as Hagrid.

Ben: Huh? Oh.

Andrew: "Dumbledore's a great man" or something.

Ben: [as Hagrid] Dumbledore! [laughs] That's all I can say. I'm done.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: I am not some machine you put quarters in...

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: That just replies, just goes on command! I have a soul. I am a human being.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Andrew: All right. Matt, could you read the next e-mail?

Muggle Mail: Where's Binns?

Matt: Yeah. Our next e-mail comes from Danny F., 15, of Philadelphia, and Danny writes:

"Hey, MuggleCast! I'm a big fan of the show. I love it. Specifically, the reinstitution of Chapter-by-Chapter. What has always tickled..."

What has always tickled?

"What has always ticked me off is the movie/book difference of McGonagall telling the Chamber, not Binns. More so, you guys agreed with the movie change. I love the idea of Binns - an ancient ghost telling a strict, lifeless interpretation of the myth, and watching such a consistently monotone, stiff character become vulnerable when dealing with the paranoia and insanity that comes with the Chamber. It would give such an interesting spin to the movie and add a little darkness. Andrew was right by saying that McGonagall's class was such an odd time for a question and the way she answered was a forced, anticlimactic scene that could have been much better. It was a lazy move on the part of whoever incorporated that part. Thanks again. Love the show. P.S. Where's Laura?"

Andrew: See, that was my point exactly!

Ben: What? Where's Laura?

Matt: Where's Laura?

Micah: Yeah. Where is Laura?

Andrew: No, no. Not that part.

Ben: Well, no, I mean, I don't like this e-mail.

Andrew: Why?

Ben: First of all, they said Andrew was right, which...

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: ...we all know can't be true.

Andrew: I don't appreciate that. I just think it would've been cool coming from Binns. It could have been an extra eerie scene where he's like, you know, he's like Dumbledore. He's just very old and very - I don't know what the line is, but...

Ben: I wouldn't say I was ticked off by it being McGonagall. I mean, I understood, for ease...

Andrew: Could be a very passionate fan.

Ben: Yeah, that's true...

Nick: I appreciate the fact that introducing a new character in this scene would have taken more than just giving it to a regular and letting them pass off that line.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Right. I think it goes back...

Matt: Well, also...

Micah: Go ahead.

Matt: I was just going to say - the adult actors too - they don't really have that many lines to begin with, so maybe they just threw Maggie Smith a bone and just had her say it.

Micah: Yeah. Well, I think it goes back the point, Andrew, you were making before about not having the Deathday party in for budget reasons. It could be the same thing with Binns. I mean, why waste money on putting him in there?

Andrew: Right.

Micah: The whole point was to show that for the first time, I think, in the entire series, and probably throughout all the books, Binns' class is actually interesting and students care what he has to say.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: If you go back to the book.

Andrew: Well, I don't know. We won't dwell on it. The past is in the past and what can we say? But, also, Danny mentioned where's Laura - has she not been on in a while? But I...

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] I really can't remember! But she'll be back on soon. She's actually going to be studying abroad this next semester, in the Spring, so there's going to be a period where she's not on for like six months though.

Matt: Six months! [laughs]

Andrew: We'll make her come on these next couple of episodes. She couldn't this weekend because of travelling home for Thanksgiving.

Ben: Hey, is this the third episode I've been on in a row?

Andrew: Yeah. Congratulations, Ben.

Ben: Congrats to me.

Andrew: This is the 200th episode I've been on in a row. [laughs]

Ben: They call that a streak, my friend.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: It's like a heat wave. Three days above 90 is a heat wave. This is a Ben wave.

Ben: A Ben wave.

Andrew: Three episodes with Ben. Okay, next e-mail is from Jamie. Jamie Lawrence is now a listener of the show. He's decided to stop hosting...

Ben: He gave up, he gave it up.

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Andrew: It's easier to just listen!

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