MuggleCast 189 Transcript
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Jim Dale: [as Professor McGonagall] This is Professor McGonagall welcoming you all to MuggleCast hoping you all enjoyed - Dobby! Dobby, come here! Here! Dobby! [as Dobby] Yes, I'd just like to say how very pleased I am to introduce MuggleCast to all of you! Thank you! Thank you!
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Micah: Because the BAFTA's aren't real awards, this is MuggleCast Episode 189 for January 15th, 2010.
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Andrew: Welcome back to the show, everyone. We have Micah, Matt and I here, three regulars. And also Jamie is back for the first time in a while. Hey Jamie!
Jamie: Hey! It has been a long time, hasn't it?
Andrew: [singing] "It's..."
Andrew: "...been such a long time." I've missed you.
Jamie: I've missed...
Andrew: We're all...
Jamie: ...you too...
Andrew: ...to have you back.
Jamie: I'm pleased to be back. Everything has changed so much, hasn't it? But...
Jamie: ...some things still stay the same.
Andrew: Oh, yes, of course. MuggleCast is our constant in life.
Jamie: MuggleNet is not though, is it? Isn't it going to 2.0 soon?
Andrew: [laughs] Yes!
Jamie: [laughs] That's a trendy word! That's a trendy word! 2.0!
Andrew: [laughs] It's cool, yeah. We'll talk about that in a little bit. It's pretty exciting stuff we have...
Andrew: ...going on. And also joining us this week is Andrea. And most of you may recognize her name from MuggleNet. She's been writing news posts for us for - what, a few months now, Andrea?
Andrew: How long...
Andrea: ...a year...
Andrew: ...have you been...
Andrea: ...I think, actually, yeah.
Andrew: Almost a...
Andrea: A year.
Andrew: Oh. Well, there you go. Well, welcome to the show. It's great to have you...
Andrea: ...for having me. I'm excited.
Andrew: Yeah. Laura - Jamie, I don't know if you know this. Laura went to Costa Rica.
Jamie: No way? Really?
Jamie: Sophie has...
Andrew: ...to study...
Jamie: ...been there.
Andrew: ...abroad for a semester.
Jamie: Very cool.
Matt: ...the natives.
Andrew: [laughs] With the natives.
Andrew: To have a grasp upon the country. [laughs]
Micah: She's going to teach them podcasting.
Jamie: [laughs] Oh...
Andrew: That's her...
Andrew: ...mission. She's bringing podcasting into - she bought up an entire Apple store supply of iPods and she's going to saturate that...
Jamie: That is...
Andrew: ...country with...
Jamie: ...dedication for you.
Andrew: It is.
Jamie: [laughs] That can't have been cheap.
[Andrew and Matt laugh]
Andrew: It's very noble. So we have a lot to get to on the show today. We also have the final installment of Chapter-by-Chapter for Chamber of Secrets. We're getting that book out of the way. It'll be our third book finished in our Chapter-by-Chapter series. I'm Andrew Sims.
Jamie: I'm Jamie Lawrence.
Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
Matt: I'm Matt Britton.
Andrea: And I'm Andrea Salazar.
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Andrew: Micah, it's our first show of 2010 and there's lots of interesting news items to discuss this week.
News: Deathly Hallows Charity Auction
Micah: Well, first piece of news there's a Deathly Hallows Deluxe Edition that's been signed by J.K. Rowling and Mary GrandPre that's up for charity auction on eBay and one hundred percent of the winning amount is going to be donated to two not-for-profit organizations. Fifty percent is going to be going to the National Multiple Sclerosis Society, the mid-Florida chapter, and the other fifty percent is going to be donated to Habitat for Humanity in Sarasota. So, not only would you win this copy of Deathly Hallows Deluxe Edition signed by J.K. Rowling and Mary GrandPre, but there's a number of others prizes that are included and it says donated by Alivan's you get a wand, a cloak, and a scarf, signed copies of MuggleNet's What Will Happen In Harry Potter Seven, because you know, nobody knows at this point...
Micah: And Harry Potter Should Have Died, two MuggleNet shirts, a signed copy of Melissa Anelli's Harry, A History, and a National Multiple Sclerosis Society t-shirt and wristband. The auction runs until, I think it's next Thursday, January the 21st and as of right now there's 24 bids and $1,825 is the highest bid...
Micah: ...right now.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah. I actually - this is a really nice collection of items, I mean obviously the best item here is the signed Deathly Hallows Deluxe Edition. Mary GrandPre even went so far as to include - she drew a sketch of Harry in it, which is really cool.
Jamie: Is it good? Oh yeah, of course...
Jamie: ...I forgot that, yeah.
Micah: Is this her thing though? I mean it's in Florida and I know she's from Florida because when I was reading I was going to say, "National Multiple Sclerosis Society Scotland" by accident but I caught myself.
Micah: So I was just wondering - maybe is this her doing?
Andrew: I'm not - what do you mean? Well, no, this kid who put it together - Daniel - it was all him.
Micah: Oh, okay.
Andrew: Yeah, he had been in contact with us a few weeks ago and that's how he got the MuggleNet books and the t-shirt. But actually... [laughs] I posted this on MuggleNet and I was like, you know what this is really nice, I kind of want this. So I placed a bid...
Micah: Did you?
Andrew: ...and I was quickly outbid. I bid up to 700 dollars.
Jamie: Did you Andrew? Oh you're rolling in it! You...
Jamie: You can - you can...
Jamie: ...buy me something.
Andrew: ...the reason I bid so high was I knew I wasn't going to win. And - and I hadn't even reached the reserve price. And as of right now, it's at eighteen hundred dollars and the reserve has still not been met.
Jamie: I wonder if he's put it as like ten million or something.
Andrew: Yeah, it's probably a lot. He says he expects for it to go for between three and four grand so I guess it's in there somewhere but - the reserve, for anyone who doesn't know, means that someone can set a price on eBay and not allow it to sell unless it reaches that certain price.
Jamie: That would have been so funny if you'd won and you didn't have the money to pay for it and...
Jamie: There's like all - all this coverage from around the world that are like "altruistic Harry Potter fan makes surprising bid on eBay" and then it's like...
[Jamie and Matt laugh]
Jamie: How'd you plan to pay for this, Andrew?
Andrew: "I thought I could afford it!"
Andrew: I would have asked Ben to go in with me or I'd run off to Vegas and try to - try to win some money.
Jamie: Try to win it, yeah.
Andrew: But, yeah, this is a really great auction and there's a link on MuggleNet if anyone's interested in bidding. Obviously a lot of money but the - the collection is a very nice collection of items.
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Andrew: What else is going on, Micah?
News: Theme Park Update
Micah: Well, there are finally some details beginning to emerge about the Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey dark ride at Universal's Wizarding World of Harry Potter theme park.
Micah: Screamscape reported earlier this week that the ride system inside Hogwarts Castle is installed and functional. However, all the scenery and special effects still need to be installed, programmed and tested extensively before we will see the ride open. They go on to reveal that your ride experience will begin and end with an interesting little effect that will transport you through the use of the Floo Network, a giant fireplace and green flames.
Jamie: I'll bet that's cool. I'll bet that's very cool.
Matt: Oh man. That'd be awesome if it was like the Tower of Terror ride at Walt Disney World or Disneyland? Like Floo powder?
Jamie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew: I - it - yeah but when I read that I thought that was awesome - an awesome idea to travel via Floo powder. This ride, I mean, this is going to be a really impressive ride. It's been - we still don't have many details on it yet but it's been described as capturing all of Harry's - what was the word Dan Radcliffe used - something about...
Matt: Forbidden journeys?
Andrew: No, his...
[Matt and Micah laugh]
Andrew: The chaotic parts of his life. So it's basically going to be a mash up of all these and you're going to be thrown around through this ride as you're, you know, avoiding the Whomping Willow and stuff like that. It should be really cool.
Matt: Is this - is Harry - are they going to have, like, animatronic Harry's?
Andrew: I don't know. Why?
Matt: I don't know.
Andrew: Do you want to go make love to one?
[Andrew and Jamie laugh]
Matt: If I'm - if I have a seatbelt, then no.
Jamie: Matt, there'd be no love in that relationship if you did that with an animatronic Harry. He'd just use you. He'd just use you for what he wants and throw you away.
Matt: Fine, they have no emotions.
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, it should be very cool. Jamie, do you think - I mean, you are a U.K. resident. Are you going to find yourself making a trip over to Orlando?
Jamie: Probably not specifically for this ride but if I was there...
Jamie: ...or around in that area, I would absolutely make a special journey to go down there and go on it. It does sound very, very good.
Andrew: Well, yeah, I mean not just the ride but the park as a whole.
Jamie: I'd like to go, yeah. I'd just be scared that it wouldn't live up to the hype that - because, you know, marketing nowadays, it just builds stuff up and builds stuff up...
Jamie: ...and they use such good techniques to make it sound so awesome that I just worry I'd pay my money to get there and it would just, you know, be like a fall from grace type of thing.
Andrew: Yeah. I have something to confess. I am not impressed with Hogwarts Castle.
Jamie: You aren't, really?
Andrew: How they - because if you - it's pretty much finished being built and, you know, there's tons of construction photos but it's not - one of - it's not Hogwarts. It's very - I don't know. It just looks like half of Hogwarts. There's not many big pillar - big towers, and even Steve Kloves, he admitted in the Ultimate Editions that he wasn't happy with how Hogwarts looked in the first couple of films, and now they really have this chance to make Hogwarts look amazing to - you know, through our own eyes in person, and I don't know...
Jamie: I doubt they can afford to, though, can they...
Matt: I know.
Jamie: ...like, make it extra awesome?
Matt: I don't know if they have all that room to make it an ultimate Harry Potter...
Jamie: And all that money. It's still got to make money.
Matt: ...Hogwarts Castle.
Andrew: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe they'll expand later. I'm just not that impressed with it.
Matt: Well, that's what they did in the films. Maybe they'll do it in the park.
Jamie: Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
Matt: Add on to it.
Jamie: If it makes money.
Andrew: [laughs] Add on to it.
Micah: Are you not impressed because only half the castle is there?
Andrew: Yeah, basically. I mean, when you look at the construction photos, it's - like, it's cool.
Jamie: Just close one eye.
Matt: Are you upset it's not to scale, Andrew?
Andrew: No, not the scale thing. I think they're using tricks to make it look like it's really far away by making it look really big, if that makes sense.
Andrew: You know, never mind. I don't want to get too deep into this conversation but, personally, I'm not - I guess we'll have to wait to see when it actually opens up but right now it's just like, eh.
Andrea: Do we know if we're going to be able to walk through the castle or is it going to be like Cinderella's Castle where there's nothing there?
Andrew: Well, the ride is going to be based - this Forbidden Journey ride, is going to be in the castle. So, I don't think we're actually going to walk in it. When they first announced this park people were like, "Oh wow! We're going to be able to go into Hogwarts and eat in the Great Hall!" But I don't think it's going to be like that at all. The castle is just for exterior display.
Matt: Well, it's not a whole theme park. It's just a land in the theme park, too, so, that was the original idea everybody was thinking that it's a whole theme park dedicated to Harry Potter.
Andrew: Well, it still is a theme park - I mean, they're putting two hundred million dollars into this project, so...
Andrew: It's - it's...
Matt: But 80 million is probably per ride or something like that.
Andrew: Yeah, I guess so.
Micah: Yeah, but I was going to ask Jamie, though, are you going to go out and get yourself a copy of the Daily Telegraph this weekend?
Jamie: Is there something free in it?
Micah: [laughs] Yeah, there actually is. There's going to be a DVD of the theme park for promoting it.
Jamie: [laughs] Oh, right, yeah I probably will then. It's only like twenty - fifty pence.
Andrew: But I'm wondering if this is the same thing that was included on the Half-Blood Prince DVD.
Micah: It might be.
Jamie: It probably is. I doubt they would do something new just for a newspaper.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah.
Jamie: They always give away free stuff, normally its rubbish. So, I don't know. It might not be, it could be something new.
Andrew: The Telegraph describes the DVD as, you can watch interviews with the stars of the film series and get a sneak peek of the amazing new rides and attractions. You can also view an exclusive 3D tour of the theme park and it says brilliant interactive with you computer, including print-outs, downloads, and an interactive attraction map that's just like the version from the films. So it sounds like the stuff we've seen on the DVD.
Jamie: Probably, probably just rehashed stuff or...
Micah: Well, Andrew - I mean, Jamie, that's Saturday. Sunday, you can get a mouse pad. A free mouse pad.
Jamie: A free mouse pad! [laughs]
Micah: Now, that might be more valuable.
Jamie: Does it have the theme park on it? Is it...
Jamie: A mouse pad with the theme park?
Andrew: Yeah, what else is going on, Micah? [laughs]
News: Half-Blood Prince Still Newsworthy
Micah: Well, Half-Blood Prince is still in the news. Geez. The Academy of Motion Picture...
[Jamie and Micah laugh]
Micah: ...Arts and Sciences announced that only seven films remain in the running for the visual effects category for the 82nd annual Academy Awards and Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince remains in the running, and the list is going to be narrowed down to three on January the 21st. What do we think?
Matt: What do you mean, "still in the running?" Have others been dropping off or something?
Micah: Well, I think they start off with more, don't they? Then just seven, and then they get it down to seven and then to three.
Matt: They drop like flies?
Micah: Yeah, they drop like flies. Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah, there's some weird process that goes on but...
Micah: They drop like Dumbledore.
Jamie: Ooh! That is controversial!
Andrew: Has any Harry Potter film ever won an Academy Award?
Matt: I think it's won set design or something.
Andrew: Matt, look that up.
Andrew: Because I don't think - I mean I'm excited that Half-Blood Prince has gotten this far but the Harry Potter films have never been seen as Academy Award material.
Andrew: They're really good but I guess they just never make it over that jump - that hurtle.
Jamie: Are they made for that really? I don't know, if you look at The Lord of the Rings and the amount of money they pump into like, set design and costume design and stuff like that. It is good on Harry Potter but everyone expects the costumes to be a certain way and expects certain things to be a certain way. So I don't know if I'd call them ground-breaking in special effects or direction or anything like that, they're just good at what they do.
Andrew: I think that's the best way to put it.
Micah: And who...
Andrew: And yeah...
Micah: Do we think that they're going to do well, though? I mean, in this...
Jamie: They might do well.
Micah: ...particular category.
Andrew: I guess.
Micah: I don't know who it's up against.
Andrew: I mean Half-Blood Prince visual effects, they were great. We never see any corny special effects in the Harry Potter films. I mean, there are a couple exceptions but right now it's up against Avatar and...
Jamie: Wow. It's probably on to a loser then.
Andrew: Yeah, it's competing right now against Avatar, District 9, Star Trek, Terminator Salvation, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, and 2012. So, I think Avatar is going to win that.
Micah: Yeah, you're probably right. But I noticed that as is usually the case, Half-Blood Prince was nominated for a tonne of BAFTAs.
Micah: And I'm sure they'll win at that ceremony.
Andrew: Yeah, they always win at the BAFTAs, don't they?
Jamie: Someone once told me off once, like I said that the BAFTAs were crap versions of the Oscars.
Jamie: And someone told me that's really really bad, you should be really proud of them because they're British and stuff, and I was like, "Well, no, they're really not that impressive."
Jamie: Whereas the Oscars are the actual award ceremonies, but maybe that's a bit harsh.
Micah: That's like somebody telling you you should be proud of Hitler because he was German, if you were German.
Jamie: But I don't know if that's a perfect analogy.
Micah: But it's along the same lines, right?
Jamie: Well, [laughs] maybe kind of, yeah.
[Matt and Micah laugh]
Andrew: Maybe that's discussion for another time.
Jamie: Maybe that is, yeah.
Micah: But wrapping this up on Half-Blood Prince though, Michael Gambon was also nominated for an award. For an Irish Film Television award, for his role as Dumbledore. So he finally got nominated for something after all these films that he's done.
Jamie: I know! And he's an awesome actor as well.
Matt: Is there any awards...
Jamie: Do you know a really weird fact about him?
Matt: ...award, any of the Oscars, any of the Harry Potter films have won.
Andrew: What were you saying, Jamie?
Jamie: Do you want to hear a really weird fact about him, Michael Gambon?
Andrew: Yeah, please.
Jamie: He owns fourteen laves.
Andrew: What's a lave?
Jamie: Lave. You know, the like turning thing. Woodwork. Metal work stuff. A lave. For like, turning. Do you know that?
Matt: Like a steering wheel?
Jamie: Like a steering wheel!
Andrew: No, I don't, no, I really don't.
Jamie: I'll get it off of Wikipedia so...
Andrew: Are they very expensive or something?
Jamie: Well, not really but just like, you only need one, to be honest.
Jamie: It's a machine tool that spins a block of material to perform various operations such as cutting, sanding...
Jamie: ...drilling, stuff like that. And he's got fourteen of them for some reason.
Andrew: Does he have a fetish for them or something?
Jamie: I don't know! Perhaps he does. But he's a huge fan of them and he's got that many of them.
Andrew: Well, good luck to Michael Gambon for being nominated in this. See, I think it's very well deserved at this point. He's up against Simon Delaney for Happy Ever Afters, Michael Fassbender for Fish Tank, and Aidan Quinn for The Eclipse.
Matt: I only know Aidan Quinn.
Micah: I don't know any of those people.
Andrew: What else is going on, Micah? Onward!
News: Deathly Hallows Seven Potters Set Report
Micah: All right, final piece of news here. Empire Magazine released a little bit of a Deathly Hallows set report over the course of the last few weeks and the page-long report included new comments from Dan Radcliffe and he said, "The single most complicated sequence we've done in any of the films..." - he's referring to the Seven Potters scene, - "Everyone's changing into me and nobody really knows what's going on. I'm dressed up as everyone else, and they're dressing up as me. And well, it's very confusing." My question is: why would he have to dress up as everyone else?
Andrew: Yeah, I don't get what - I think he just - you know how Dan starts to ramble sometimes?
Andrew: I think that's what he got caught in. [laughs]
Andrea: Well, maybe it was part of the transformation, though as he's changing from say, Hermione to Harry. Could be.
Andrew: Oh, yeah, maybe.
Jamie: Actually, yeah that's probably it.
Andrew: Well, we'll have to see. That's pretty cool. I've said for a long time now that this is my favorite scene in the book and...
Jamie: It will be an amazing scene, yeah.
Matt: Yeah, it's going to be awesome.
Micah: There was also a little bit from David Yates and he said he, "watched the first assembly of Part I just last week and the most interesting dynamic is that you're taking these three characters we know quite well away from the comforts of Hogwarts, and you really can't underestimate the odd power of that." He sounds like he's rambling a bit too.
Jamie: I was going to say, that's been done before. They haven't always been at Hogwarts all the time so, maybe it's just because they aren't there at all that it's different.
Andrew: Yeah, I guess that's what he's saying. But the whole buzz word with this movie is "road movie." "Road movie."
Andrew: In Half-Blood Prince it was comedy, comedy, sex, drugs, rock and roll!
Jamie: Road movie? Are they going to be in a camper van...
Jamie: ...going down a road travelling the length of the country, chilling out?
Andrew: It's like that Steve Carell movie where they're in that yellow bus. What is that movie?
Matt: Little Miss Sunshine?
Andrew: Little Miss Sunshine, yeah, it's going to be like that. But I'm already sick of that phrase, and they were using it at the Half-Blood Prince junkets. Now, oh, "it's a road movie, a road movie, a road movie." That's all we're going to hear between now and November.
Jamie: That's annoying.
Micah: Yeah, but it is cool that he has already looked at Part I.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, it is. I wonder when - because they did this interview six or seven months ago and he was quoted as saying "last week." So was it last week six or seven months ago, or last week three weeks ago when this article came out?
Jamie: You know what that's like? Like, a real world analogy to that? You know when you walk past somewhere and there is a poster up and it says, like, this band playing here, and then there's the word "tonight"?
Jamie: And you're like, did they post this yesterday, so I'm actually a day late?
Andrew: Right. [laughs]
Jamie: Or can I go and see them tonight?
Andrew: Yeah, yeah.
Jamie: It's the stupidest thing in the world, when people do that.
Andrew: Yeah, well it's sort of like in an e-mail, when somebody will be like, "Hey, do you want to hang out tomorrow?" And you read it two days after you get the e-mail...
Andrew: That's why I - I'm a very good writer - I'll put "tomorrow" and then in quotations or in parentheses I'll put "Thursday."
Jamie: Andrew, that is genius.
Andrew: Thank you.
Jamie: That is absolutely genius!
Andrew: I am a great communicator. That's what I pride myself on.
Andrea: Way to go.
Jamie: Are you a 2.0 communicator?
[Andrea and Andrew laugh]
Micah: If you were such a great communicator, I don't think MuggleNet would have been down over the past few weeks.
Matt: [laughs] Oh ho!
Jamie: That's true.
Matt: Oh, that's...
Andrew: I'm not going to point fingers, but I will guarantee you all, 100%...
Andrew: ...that this was not my doing. So let's talk about that. As everyone knows, MuggleNet was down for almost a week...
Jamie: A week!
Andrew: ...and it was not fun. I swear to you all, this was paining me as much as it was paining you. I laid in bed unable to sleep. It bothered me that people could not go on the site. I resorted to things that were very out of my character.
Jamie: Like what? Like what? What did you do?
Andrew: I can't say it on the show. It's very dark, very dark stuff. It's like a road movie.
Matt: He was cleaning, he was outside, he was running around...
Andrew: I didn't know what to do with myself. I had to go outside. And what is this thing in the sky? It's so bright! But anyway...
Jamie: You should've gone to a counsellor or something.
Andrew: So MuggleNet was down and we attempted to move servers. We are so sorry that it was down. We know people rely on the site a lot for their news, and that's why it bothered me. It bothered a lot of us. But since we were down for such a long period of time, we decided to let people know why we were down. And the reason is, we are getting ready for a new version of MuggleNet, and we're calling it MuggleNet 2.0, because this is really the first time the site has had a major overhaul. And we posted a preview, a little visual preview, on the site the other day. It gives you a glimpse into what the new site is going to be. You can check it out on MuggleNet.com. We made the news post on January 11th. And we're really excited about it. It's going to have a lot of new features, we have a whole new design. We're getting some feedback and we may incorporate some of that feedback into the final design. One of the major things that we are doing is changing the body of the site where the news is posted and where the content sits to white, black text on white. That's obviously reverse of what we have right now which is white text on black. Some people are actually disappointed that we're changing it. So I'm thinking what we may do is create an option so people can switch back and forth. If you don't want the white background and black text you can switch it to the black background on white text. Dylan, Emerson's brother...
Jamie: Oh, really? Because I forgot who Dylan was for a second there. [laughs]
Andrew: No, I'm explaining it to the audience. [laughs] We're really excited about it. It's going to have a lot of cool new features. Check it out on MuggleNet.com. The new design, it's going to be a few weeks before it's up because we're actually still moving the site. So it's a whole big thing. But we apologize for the site downtime. And it pained us. Trust me. It wasn't fun.
Andrea: Did you see the loving death threats we got?
Andrew: Yeah, I saw you tweeted about that. What were you talking about? Where were the death threats?
Matt: We got a death threat?
Andrea: Well, they were very loving, I'm sure. Full of love. They said they would... [laughs]
Matt: [creepy voice] I will kill you!
Andrea: ...exterminate us one by one if we didn't warn them again. [laughs]
Andrew: Oh, geez. Well, that's good. That means they really care about the site.
Micah: Or are mentally disturbed.
Andrew: We're glad you care so much you would kill us. That's all for news, right?
Micah: That's it.
Andrew: Well let's get to Muggle Mail now. Matt, could you read the first e-mail please?
Muggle Mail: Harry's Stubbornness
Matt: Our first e-mail comes from Nick Worley, 15, from Little Rock, Arkansas. He writes:
"Hey MuggleCasters! I'm re-reading 'Deathly Hallows' and I was wondering why Harry was being so stubborn when he refused to accept help with his mission from Lupin and other people who offered to help Harry. I know that Dumbledore told him to only tell Ron and Hermione, but Harry still could have used the help and protection. Thoughts? You guys are doing awesome and keep up the great show."
Jamie: He's just stubborn, isn't he?
Andrew: Yeah, he really is.
Jamie: Not to put too fine a point on it, he's just stubborn.
Andrew: No, I think you're right. He trusted Dumbledore when Dumbledore said, "Keep it between yourselves," and I think he was absolutely right to tell Lupin to stay with his family.
Jamie: Was it his job to do that though? Is it the job of a teenager to tell him what he should and should not do with his family?
Andrew: Well he was getting into Harry's business by asking if he could help, if he could join Ron and Hermione.
Jamie: Altruistically though.
Matt: Yeah. He was all up in his business.
[Andrea and Jamie laughs]
Jamie: Up in his face? [laughs]
Andrew: Jamie if you were in Harry's position would you have brought Lupin along with you...
Andrew: Or would you have told him to stay with his family?
Jamie: I don't know - I'd like to think I handled a bit more maturely than Harry did and not say the stuff he did, which I thought was kind of...
Jamie: ...mean. Because Lupin is in quite a tough situation. I think I certainly - I read the books and Jo doesn't really always make it clear how much of an outcast Lupin is. I think when you re-read the bits that he says, it's sort of like no one accepts him. It's like being on the sex offenders register, really, of the Wizarding World type thing.
Andrew: Good way of looking at it.
Jamie: Oh thanks, thanks.
[Andrew, Jamie and Micah laugh]
Jamie: Yeah and everyone hates - no one talks to him, no one trusts his opinion and he wants to feel useful, and he thinks he's done this terrible thing to his family. He thinks he's inflicted this horrible disease on his son, and the sins of the fathers are visited on the sons and he feels he's responsible for that. And so he wants to make himself feel useful when there's nothing he can do back home. I think it's a noble cause. Perhaps he should stay with his family, but I think Harry's a bit insensitive, really, when he's just trying to help.
Andrew: Yeah, I suppose you're right.
Andrea: He also grew up without a father though, so I think he's thinking of Teddy at that point.
Jamie: That is definitely true, yeah.
Andrew: And as we find out, though, at the end of the book it all sort of comes full circle when Teddy loses his parents. So...
Micah: But the other thing is, if you look at the end of the book, the whole conversation that Harry sees between Dumbledore and Snape, Dumbledore never reveals to Snape anything about the Horcruxes and I think that was kind of the theme that was going throughout the whole book. Only certain people can know this information because if it...
Micah: ...starts to get out - even Lupin, I'm not saying he would willingly give up the information but the more people that know, the greater risk it posed to what Harry had to do.
Jamie: That's true, as well. And Voldemort could have found out and then he could've put extra protection in. Harry found it hard enough to do what he had to do anyway. I think it's that kind of thing where if anything else had gone wrong, it would have been quite hard for her to write plausibly that Harry had won. But that scene was so good with Snape and Voldemort at the end. Oh! It was such a good scene!
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, it was. Andrea, could you read the next e-mail please?
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