MuggleCast 190 Transcript
[Intro music begins]
Andrew: Oh, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to MuggleCast Live! And, oh my goodness, people are spamming the chat with - [laughs] that's uncalled for. Please don't spam the chat people. Thank you Andrew Slack for that warm opening message. And we are here today - we're speaking to a new audience this afternoon, for some of you at least. So we'd like to introduce ourselves to those of you who are watching us for the first time. This is MuggleCast. MuggleNet.com's Harry Potter podcast. I am Andrew Sims and I am joined by my friends who have been podcasting with me all the way since the - since the dawn of 2005, Jamie, Eric, Micah, Matt. Hello! Hello.
Andrew: Hey, hey, hey! Micah? Eric?
Jamie: Thanks for stopping by.
Andrew: Oh Jamie thank you! Jamie, hello from the other side of the world.
Jamie: Hello. Everyone's helping Haiti heal today aren't they?
Andrew: That is...
Jamie: It's not just people in America.
Andrew: Of course, Jamie, of course.
Jamie: I wonder where we've got people from - where our farthest person is away, listening now.
Andrew: Well, away from who?
Jamie: Well, oh yeah!
[Andrew and Jamie laugh]
Matt: What are you basing this on Jamie?
Jamie: All right. Away from Haiti then.
Andrew: Away from Haiti.
Jamie: How far - whose the farthest..
Andrew: All over the world.
Jamie: ...away from there.
Eric: I'm pulling up Google maps now.
Andrew: I see a lot of people are - are submitting their locations via the chat, but as Andrew Slack said we're here today to raise money for recovery efforts in Haiti. When you donate money you'll be eligible to win some great items, and we've all been looking through the list prior to starting the show today. Some really cool stuff at the - to get to the prizes you go to TheHPAlliance.org/Haiti and you'll find a link there to the prizes. And you'll also see a list of rules and how to donate. So great stuff. Any stuff that was interesting to you guys that you're going to be donating - you'll be donating money to get in the running to win those prizes?
Jamie: I quite like the sort of difference between them. Like there's not only Harry Potter stuff, there's stuff from like True Blood and Heroes and stuff like that. It's...
Jamie: ...a cool little auction. It really is.
Andrew: Matt, you're a big True Blood fan.
Matt: I'm a huge True Blood fan!
Andrew: So are you going to be donating for that category?
Matt: Maybe. I'm still trying to save up.
Andrew: [laughs] Save up. More - more money to donate to Haiti.
Matt: Well, I hope.
Andrew: Okay, that's fine.
Jamie: You'd better start saving up quickly.
Matt: I know. I'm - I'm actually looking at my stocks right now and the stocks are going up, right now.
[Andrew and Jamie laugh]
Jamie: You going to sell those Google shares?
Andrew: So he's ready to donate. So here's what - here's what's going on. If you're listening to this - even after the live event you can still donate. Again TheHPAlliance.org/Haiti. We need your donations now, that is the most critical thing, and we'll be updating you on the total amount raised every so often throughout this program. Special to MuggleCast fans - first of all, actually, [laughs] I think we're going to have to adjust this. We had a deal - we were going to say if we raised a thousand dollars in the MuggleCast hour, Jamie would be doing something specifically to MuggleCast fans. But we have already raised nine hundred dollars. [laughs] So...
Jamie: Oh right.
Eric: We better make it...
Andrew: ...I don't think a thousand. Yeah. How about five thousand? Ten thousand...
Jamie: Five thousand sounds - ten thousand's a lot of money! I don't know, ten thousand is a lot. I don't know - perhaps we can do it. Well, what...
Andrew: Okay, well - go ahead.
Jamie: Well, what I was planning on doing is for everyone listening who isn't a regular listener - quite awhile ago I made a bet - quite a stupid bet I think - I think it was this one where I said if Harry died or if he didn't die or something, I would eat a certain amount of sausages. And then for some reason that didn't happen - probably because I was quite confident in what I said was going to happen - and then it didn't happen - but then I realized I couldn't eat fifty sausages - I don't know if anyone can. But anyway, before that I made a different bet and I said I was going to eat five Big Macs and I ended up doing that and it's on YouTube. If you search on YouTube you'll be able to find it.
Andrew: But now you don't eat meat anymore, so what are you going to do this time?
Jamie: I don't - well, no, no - I do eat meat. I just eat organic, healthy meat from...
Andrew: Oh, okay.
Jamie: ...nice animals who haven't been hurt and tortured and stuff. So, yeah - I'm going to eat five home-grown burgers - homemade burgers. Huge burgers - absolutely huge.
Jamie: Massive. More than anyone could ever think of. If it reaches, what? Five thousand?
Andrew: Five thousand dollars. That's what we'll do.
Eric: And you'll videotape the whole thing.
Jamie: Yeah, and I'll film my pain. Film my pain and torture for the world to see.
Andrew: So there we go.
Jamie: And it will be torturous.
Andrew: [laughs] All right, so let's get to the news as always - as we do here on MuggleCast. And we're going to update everyone on the latest Harry Potter news stories and discuss them and what not. So, Micah, what's been going on buddy?
News: Helping Haiti Heal
Micah: Well, you guys were just talking about helping Haiti heal and donating money and one of the big things that the Harry Potter fandom seems to be so good about is coming together around important causes. And there was another auction that was held on eBay very recently for a signed Deluxe Edition of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows by J.K. Rowling and Mary GrandPre...
Micah: And it ended up selling for over $5,400. And there were other prizes that were included in this package, but sort of the main attraction was this series signed by J.K. Rowling and Mary GrandPre.
Micah: So just another amazing example of how this fandom comes together around good causes.
Andrew: Exactly. I was so close - I bid $5,412 and someone beat me out by just a dollar.
Jamie: Oh, Andrew.
Matt: A dollar?
Andrew: I'm just kidding.
Eric: Now you wish you had...
Matt: Wait, where did you get $5,000?!
Andrew: Yeah, I'm just kidding. I didn't actually...
Jamie: Well, Andrew, I think if you were going to bid for that and you were going to bid 5,412, perhaps you should - donate that now.
Andrew: Give it to Haiti now. That's right.
Jamie: 5,412, yeah.
Andrew: What can I get for that? 5,000 - that's a lot.
Eric: Well, Jamie would eat hamburgers. [laughs]
Andrew: We actually haven't mentioned this yet. At least for Harry Potter fans, what is the greatest item that was donated for this cause today was donated by J.K. Rowling herself. It's a signed set of U.K. edition Harry Potter books, all signed by J.K. Rowling. There's also a little card she included that says, "Thank you for helping Haiti," and she signed that as well so, amazing prize. You can donate $100 to be eligible to win that. Just because you donate a hundred doesn't mean you automatically win it. You'll be entered into a pool, and we're going to randomly select one person out of that pool to receive the prize. So, excellent item.
Andrew: I'm thinking about doing it. I'm thinking about doing it. I've donated some money to Haiti and may donate some more to be eligible for that prize. Anyway, what else is going on, Micah?
News: Deathly Hallows Composer Revealed
Micah: Well, probably the biggest news in the Harry Potter world this past week was that we finally have a composer for at least the first part of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.
Micah: Alexandre, sorry.
Andrew: It's a dude.
Micah: Alexandre, uh... Deplah. I hope my French is...
Micah: That's the Americanized version.
Matt: No, it's how it's pronounced.
Andrew: Alexandre Desplat is the actual...
Micah: I don't know about that...
Andrew: No, no. We're positive.
Matt: No, it is.
Micah: All right...
Andrew: [laughs] Sorry.
Micah: Anyway, he has also scored The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Julie & Julia, The Golden Compass, and The Twilight Saga: New Moon.
Micah: So I want to know what you guys think about this. You guys have, I'm sure, seen at least one of those other movies. Do you think he's right for the part?
Andrew: Matt, you're a big composer - score-er buff.
Andrew: What did you think of this?
Matt: Well, I love Al - I'm just going to call him Alex. I love Alex's work.
Matt: I think he does really great, especially romantic pieces.
Matt: And he has done some pretty good action sequences too, but I was really hoping for John Williams. I mean, I was willing to bet fifty Big Macs, just like Jamie, that he was going to be back...
Matt: ...because he wasn't doing anything.
Jamie: Why didn't you?
Matt: Well, because...
Andrew: He lives up to his promises.
Matt: Recently he signed up for Stephen Spielberg's Tintin.
Andrew: And that's going to be taking up his time.
Matt: And that's going to take up a lot of his time, so it makes sense why he's not going to do Deathly Hallows.
Andrew: But Eric, you dug up something interesting.
Eric: Yeah, I dug up something interesting from our MuggleNet News Archive, it actually was an interview of David Heyman just candidly. He was at an Apple store, I think, doing an event last July, just before Harry Potter 6 came out. He was asked specifically about John Williams scoring the seventh Harry Potter films and David Heyman said that he would actually - they're trying to get him particularly for Part II...
Eric: ...to score part two. And that was an answer that Heyman gave last July. So he knew even then that there was - they were probably going to, well not obviously split - the split had been announced by then but they're looking for John Williams to score the second part...
Eric: ...which, in my opinion, actually makes more sense...
Eric: ...or definitely makes sense to bring the series to a closure. You know we want John Williams in there because we want it to have...
Andrew: It will bring it full circle.
Matt: It is kind of interesting that when Alex was attached to do the first part, he was only attached to do the first part. Wasn't that kind of - I mean that kind of raised a big flag.
Andrew: Well, yeah, I guess...
Jamie: It fits together though.
Matt: Yeah, it fits together nicely. I mean he probably just said, "Hey look, we're looking for somebody to do the first part. John is interested in doing it but he's only available for the second part".
Andrew: Yeah, that makes sense.
Jamie: Will they work together though?
Andrew: I don't know.
Jamie: Or are they going to do it separately, because that will be interesting.
Matt: Well, when the latest Twilight film, New Moon, came out, Andrew and I went to a little convention and Alexandre Desplat was there talking about how he scores and there was a question that asked if he does - when he was doing the sequel to Twilight, did he go back to the first score and take anything. And he said he doesn't really do that. He doesn't listen to anything before, he does his own thing. So I don't know if he's actually going to be using any of the John Williams themes.
Andrew: I think they'll make him use Hedwig's Theme. You have no choice but to use that.
Matt: Well, that's kind of a given. But I don't think he'll stray away from that.
Andrew: I'm still unsure of how exactly Alexandre's sound is going to fit into the Harry Potter books.
Matt: What do you mean?
Andrew: Well, how is his music, how is his style going to fit into the books?
Jamie: I'm sure he's going to change it slightly.
Alexandre Desplat Experiment
Andrew: Sure, but I actually got curious about this last night and I decided to put together some samples and basically I realised there was only one way of knowing if Alexandre's scoring abilities would truly match the scenes that were written by J.K. Rowling. So don't worry guys, I took the liberty of taking some of Alexandre's most recent work and putting it with dialogue from book seven. Do you want to take a listen to this?
Eric: Oh, this is awesome.
Jamie: I don't this is going to reach his standards.
Andrew: Well no this is his music, mixed in with scenes from Harry Potter.
Eric: Cool idea.
Jamie: If he's done it for Gladiator, or whatever, it's not going to work.
Andrew: Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Well, here, take a listen. This - I first decided to take the epilogue chapter in Book 7 and mix it in with his score from - it's a song called "Jimmy Squirrel and Co." and we heard this in the film Fantastic Mr. Fox. Okay? Take a listen. Take a - get a...
Matt: Just play the clip, Andrew.
Andrew: Think with an open mind.
["Jimmy Squirrel and Co." plays]
"Autumn seemed to arrive suddenly that year. The morning of the first of September was crisp and golden as an apple, and as the little family bobbed across the rumbling road to the great sooty station, the fumes of car exhausts and the breath of pedestrians sparkled like cobwebs in the cold air. 'It won't be long and you'll be going, too.' Harry told her. 'Two years,' sniffed Lily. 'I want to go now!' Albus' voice drifted back to Harry over the surrounding clamor; his sons had resumed the argument they had started in the car. 'I won't! I won't be in Slytherin!' 'James, give it a rest!' said Ginny. 'You'll write to me, won't you?' Albus asked his parents immediately, capitalizing on the momentary absence of his brother. 'Every day, if you want us to.' said Ginny. 'Not every day,' said Albus quickly. 'James says most people only get letters from home about once a month."
Andrew: So what do you think?
Jamie: That was awesome.
Micah: I'm speechless after that.
Andrew: If you mix his existing scores in, I think they work very well and that was...
Jamie: That gave it a very kind of upbeat thing to the end of the book...
Andrew: Well, it's happy.
Jamie: I sort of - I just - it is happy. I sat here and I was sort of drifted away to a dreamy place. [laughs]
Andrew: Thank you. That's exactly what I was going for. Okay, I did one more because I wanted to double check my work...
Andrew: ...and I decided to - this second scene is where Ron rejoins Harry and Hermione after running away. You guys remember this from Book 7, right?
Andrew: Now, this may be a little controversial, but I had to do it. I mixed it in with his score from "The Meadow"...
Andrew: Which can be heard in the film New Moon. Don't judge it yet. Take a listen. I really think this works.
Eric: I'm judging, Andrew.
Jamie: I'm judging.
["The Meadow" plays]
"'You come back after weeks and you think it's all going to be all right if you just say sorry?' 'Well, what else can I say?' Ron shouted, and Harry was glad that Ron was fighting back. 'Oh, I don't know!' yelled Hermione with awful sarcasm. 'Rack your brains, Ron, that should only take a couple of seconds!' 'Hermione,' injected Harry, who considered this a low blow, 'he just saved my-' 'I don't care!' she screamed. 'I don't care what he's done! Weeks and weeks, we could've been dead for all he knew.' 'I knew you weren't dead,' bellowed Ron drowning her voice for the first time and approaching as close as he could with the shield charm between them. 'Harry's all over the 'Prophet' and all over the radio, they're looking for you everywhere, all these rumors and mental stories. I knew I'd hear straight off if you were dead. You don't know what it's been like.' 'What it's been like for you?'" [fake sobbing]
So there we go.
Andrew: I think this was the only way to figure out if Alexandre would be good for this role.
Matt: I love how your Hermione voice kind of sounds like Stewie from Family Guy.
Matt: And how your Ron accent sounds like Micah's impression - your impression of Micah.
Andrew: Well thank you. Yeah that's yeah...
Micah: I was going to say, you definitely have a future in doing voices.
Jamie: Voice-overs, yeah.
Andrew: Thank you. But anyway, in all seriousness [laughs] putting all that joking around to the side now, I'm actually concerned about the consistency between Desplat and potentially John Williams, because if you think about it...
Eric: Why though?
Andrew: ...they're two very different composers.
Matt: But they've said in the past that these two parts are going to be completely different films.
Eric: And not only that, but think about the difference between John Williams in the first two Harry Potter movies and John Williams in the third Harry Potter movie. That's the same composer and those scores are completely different.
Jamie: And also he isn't going to have a complete creative license. They're going to be telling him. Well - you know - you should - they'll look at his first work and they'll be like, "Well you probably have to do this, this and this." So there are always guidelines and best practices, so I don't think it's just going to be, "Do whatever you want" and John Williams will do whatever he wants, because they are going to have to link in somehow even though they are separate films.
Eric: That said - yeah, they were - movie one is being called a, "road movie" and its - I can just imagine the score for Part II...
Jamie: That's ridiculous.
Eric: ...being insane and kind of even like this with this with the final battle and all but - I don't know how them on the run is going to translate to any score, but I think thanks to Andrew's little gimmick there - his experiment...
Andrew: That was no gimmick! Yeah thank you! It was an experiment.
Eric: It was cool actually. It was well thought out, it was awesome, but thanks to that I have excitement.
Andrew: [laughs] Okay, what was I going to say? Oh, I hope Warner Brothers isn't going to Desplat and being like, "Look, this is a road movie. You must make it a road movie." and he's like, "Oh, oui, oui! I get it yeah, yeah, yeah!"
Eric: "Oui, oui?"
[Eric and Jamie laugh]
Andrew: And he just turns it into something rodeo like, "Yee-hoo! We're rolling down the road now!" I don't know.
Jamie: Andrew I think it'll be awesome if they contacted you now and were like, "We think you should do the score instead of Alex"...
Andrew: [laughs] Well...
Jamie: ...and then you can decide on - no go on.
Andrew: Good thing you mentioned that. I actually submitted those experimentations to Warner Brothers. Just gave them a heads up...
Eric: What they can expect from Andrew for a road movie.
Andrew: Anyway let's keep moving! What else is going on Micah?
News: Half-Blood Prince Nominations
Micah: Well, Half-Blood Prince was in the running for seven BAFTA awards and we found out earlier this week that the sixth film was only shortlisted for two of them; Special Visual Effects and Production Design. The problem I see here is that is faces the mighty Avatar in both categories.
Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]
Jamie: The unbeatable Avatar.
Andrew: Yeah, I have a feeling this is going to be like Slumdog Millionaire, where every category it's nominated in, you just forget it. You're not going to win if you're running against that - running against that film and Avatar is that film this year.
Andrew: Does anyone agree...
Micah: I'm sure we'll find out on February 21st.
Andrew: Did you name the categories it was nominated in? Half-Blood Prince?
Micah: Yes, Special Visual Effects and Production Design.
Andrew: It's almost a shame because, can you compare the production design between a digital film like Avatar and something like Harry Potter, that's based on a book?
Jamie: Especially when special visual effects. You're talking about filming from a couple of years ago to Avatar, which is supposed to have ground-breaking visual effects. So if it doesn't win then it looks stupid.
Jamie: It's supposed to be really, really big, you can't compare...
Matt: Well, Avatar has been in production for over ten years, wasn't it?
Jamie: Yeah, yeah. James Cameron is slow, very slow.
Andrew: Yeah! [laughs]
Jamie: Then in Titanic he thought, "I'm going to have fifteen years off".
[Andrew, Matt and Micah laugh]
Andrew: Before we move on, we just want to remind everybody that we are here to raise money for Haiti. TheHPAlliance.org/Haiti is the site you want to be one. If you're watching the live stream right now, you're on the site. You can look at the prices you can get donating. Let me get the latest total, what're we up to here? $2,800 is the latest total.
Matt: Oh, Jamie.
Andrew: That's excellent.
Jamie: Oh no, it's counting down. It's going to happen.
Andrew: Well, we have about twenty minutes left.
Micah: More than half way there Jamie.
Jamie: Yeah. [laughs] And we're like, five minutes in.
Andrew: Anyway, What were you going to sat next Matt?
Matt: No, I was just - I've been thinking. I think Harry Potter as far as an Oscar goes, they're probably not going to win anything big until that last film. Because I'm thinking this is going to go the same way that Lord of the Rings did because when the last Lord of the Rings film was nominated, it was a clean sweep, they won eleven Academy Awards, but they barely won really anything with the previous films. So I think that maybe that might happen with Harry Potter.
Micah: Don't we find out that soon too, I think. Speaking of the Oscars, but with these BAFTAs, what did you say these are the kind of awards to be ashamed of if you're British?
Jamie: I didn't say that.
Andrew: Yes you did! You said that exactly, are you taking that back now?
Jamie: I didn't - no, no, I'm taking it back because I didn't say that. What I said was, "compared to the Oscars I wouldn't rate the BAFTAs." I wouldn't tune into the BAFTAs when there was the Oscars on or anything like that. I don't know, I don't know. I feel a bit bad no because they're quite a big the BAFTAs but, still.
Andrew: They are.
Jamie: I'd rather have an Oscar - sorry.
Andrew: I think everyone would agree with you there. Any other news Micah to talk about?
News: Some Weird Newspaper Technology
Micah: All right, last bit of news, the Universal Studios Orlando and USA Today announced that they have partnered to create a new augmented reality experience that users will be able to enjoy on their own computer. It will allow them to explore the Wizarding World of Harry Potter Theme Park like never before, and this is going to be available in the January 28th edition of USA Today. I really don't understand how all this technology works, Andrew, so I'm going to let you explain it.
Andrew: Okay, the best way to explain this, if you have an iPhone, [laughs] the best way to explain this is if you have an iPhone that's what I'm trying to say. They have iPhone apps that are augmented reality, so basically here's what's going to happen, I'm demonstrating on camera, you're going to have the newspaper pretend this is your newspaper and you're going to hold it up to your webcam and the USA Today website I assume, or the Wizarding World website will let you take the paper and sort of turn it around and you can see the castle from different angles. That's what I think it's going to be like. That's what it should be like. That's what augmented reality is: taking a real life object, turning it into something digital and making it look real, is that right, Jamie?
Jamie: Yeah I think so, I just saw an awesome video on YouTube a while ago where it was a guy just standing there with absolutely nothing in his hands, and then on video he was holding a rose and he could twist it around, throw it up in the air and catch it again. It was very, very cool.
Andrew: So that's a cool thing that they are working on right now. So, when is that going to be in the paper? I think this Thursday?
Micah: Yeah, the 28th. They seem to be doing a lot now. I mean, they started last week with the Daily Telegraph. Jamie did you go out and get your free DVD and mouse pad?
Jamie: I didn't...
[Andrew and Micah laugh]
Jamie: No I didn't, I know I'm supposed to, but I didn't.
Andrew: He got the memo but there's nothing new in it.
Jamie: Well yeah, and Andrew showed me a picture of the mouse pad, oh and actually, actually my real excuse: I have a laser mouse so I don't want a mouse pad, because I can use any surface.
Andrew: I actually have an update, the total that I gave a few minutes ago was wrong, we've actually raised $4,800.
Micah: Oh wow, that's amazing!
Jamie: No way...
Andrew: So yeah, again all the money is being raised through TheHPAlliance.org/Haiti, go there even if you're not listening live, go there, donate and you'll be eligible to receive some amazing prizes, and I'll alert everyone when once we cross $5,000.
Micah: Jamie, are you shaking more and more as the total gets closer?
Jamie: [laughs] Yeah, but it could be that everyone's giving as much as they can and I know no one has anything left so we have to...
Andrew: I hope not!
Matt: I say we have a separate donation now for the Pepto-Bismol for Jamie after all those burgers.
Jamie: [laughs] Or a new toilet!
Andrew: All right, that does it for news, no we're going to take a break from Harry Potter content for a moment and hear a couple of messages from, first we are going to hear from Heroes star David Lawrence, he stars in the T.V. show Heroes, he has a message about Haiti, and then a couple True Blood fan sites are - have a couple things to say as well. So we're just going to take a quick break and listen to them real quick. First up, David.
Message from David Lawrence
David Lawrence: Hey, there! This is David Lawrence. I play the creepy, evil Eric Doyle on Heroes, among other things, and when Chris asked me to talk to you a little bit about what's going on here, I said: "Absolutely". And if you don't know what Partners in Health is, they have been working in Haiti for a couple of decades now, and they're doing so to bring what we enjoy all the time - very modern health care to the communities that you always see when you watch 60 Minutes or you watch Dateline NBC or you watch Katie Couric head on down to Haiti to cover the - the earthquake. You see basically a third world country, and they're trying to bring them into the modern age, save some lives, and they need your help now more than ever because of the - the earthquake. It's just insane what's going on there. The body count is rising every day. The violence is rising. Providing health care not only saves lives but it also, it's got a calming effect on the community. When you see people's lives being changed, all of a sudden, your priorities shift, and if you can help out, that would be great. If you're a Heroes fan, if you're a Lost fan, if you're a CSI fan, a Unit fan - any of the things that I do - please, please help them out, okay? I really appreciate it. Again, thanks.
Message from the True Blood Fansites
Audio: True Blood fans have come together to help many charitable organizations. Now we turn our attention to Haiti. Haiti is tragically experiencing human suffering at a massive level. As we stare at the images on the news and the internet, we cannot sit and do nothing. Now is the time to act. True Blood News at the Nest and Bill's Wiki'd Women encourage fans to donate now, and we thank those who have already donated. You can make a difference and help Haiti heal.
Andrew: Okay, thank you, David Lawrence and the True Blood fan sites, for contributing those messages. There are going to be many more messages throughout the entire four hour program today, Helping Haiti Heal. This - this big event is going to be running through 6:00PM Eastern today. Sorry, I'm on the West Coast. I have to do my math. Anyway...
Matt: Math is hard.
Andrew: Normally, around this time of MuggleCast is when we start discussing the - going into some in-depth book analysis, but for the live show today, we're going to keep things upbeat and fun, so we're going to go into a couple fun segments to wrap up - well, for the rest of MuggleCast. And, Eric, would you like to introduce our first segment, please?
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