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Jim Dale: [as Professor McGonagall] This is Professor McGonagall welcoming you all to MuggleCast hoping you enjoy - Dobby! Dobby, come here! Here! Dobby! [as Dobby] Yes, I'd just like to say how very pleased I am to introduce MuggleCast to all of you! Thank you! Thank you!
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Micah: Because Jim Dale beats Stephen Fry...
[Audio]: "You bitch!"
Micah: Well, that was highly unprofessional - this is MuggleCast Episode 194 for March 16th, 2010.
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Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 194. It's a three man show this week, Eric, Micah, and I. Ben and Jamie were going to be on but then they ditched us!
Micah: Well, Ben for a good reason. Jamie, I'm not so sure what happened to him.
Andrew: Jamie literally ditched us.
Andrew: I'm going to be seeing him later this week, and I'll be sure to punch him for all of you.
Eric: He didn't call. He didn't write. He just didn't show up.
Micah: How are you going to be able to see Jamie this week, Andrew?
Eric: Yeah, what's up with that?
Andrew: [laughs] I'm going to London in a few days.
Micah: For what?
Andrew: To visit the set of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. It's very exciting.
Andrew: Yes. So, yeah, but I won't be able to say much about it. I'll be able to write a little report, but I'm excited. It'll be fun. We're going to be seeing a really cool scene, and I'll be able to write a little teaser report afterwards and then the full report will come later this year. So, yeah!
Eric: That's like what you did with...
Eric: Did you do that for Half-Blood Prince? I know you did for Order of the Phoenix.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah.
Eric: And I mean, you got to see the detail that went into Umbridge's cat dishes.
Andrew: Yeah, they were all about that with Order of the Phoenix. [laughs]
Eric: Hopefully there will be something interesting.
Andrew: Yeah, there should be, hopefully. Hopefully, they're not giving up at this point, and we're going to go there, and the place is just a wreck. Sort of like senioritis when nobody cares anymore. [laughs].
Eric: Well, they're tearing it down afterwards. Didn't Dan say in an interview that they're just...
Andrew: I know - well, some of the sets. Not all of them.
Eric: ...Oh yeah.
Andrew: So yeah. I'll probably have more on that on the next episode, but this episode we got some news to catch up on, Chapter-by-Chapter, of course. We got a Favorites segment. Oh! And so much more. I'm Andrew Sims.
Eric: I'm Eric Scull.
Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
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Andrew: Micah, you know, I hate to dwell on this, because I feel like other - every week - or every episode I'm like, "It was a big news week. It was a slow news week. It was a big news week. It was a slow news week," but this past two weeks was probably the slowest Harry Potter news week [laughs] that we've ever seen.
Micah: Yeah, I completely agree with you. It was very, very slow. I mean, all you have to do is go on the site and look at the number of news posts since we released our last episode, and it's probably about five or six. So...
Eric: Wow! It's on the same page?
Andrew: There is a four day gap between news items. That's like a new record for us, I think.
Micah: Yeah, yeah.
Andrew: But that is not a sign of Harry Potter dying down!
Andrew: Because, of course, as we get closer to the film it's going to explode with news. I mean, we'll be posting...
Micah: And the park, too.
Andrew: ...yeah, the park's going to be a big news item as well.
Micah: And Lego Harry Potter. So, there's a lot that I think will be in the news in the next couple of weeks, but yeah. These last two weeks have been a little bit light. We did have one story which you had posted yesterday where Jason Isaacs brought up the fact that he had a little bit of a limited role in Deathly Hallows, and that...
Micah: ...he made a decision that - I don't know is he questioning that decision now? Because...
Andrew: Well, I think he is jokingly, but...
Andrew: Here. Let's listen real quick to what he had to say. This was comments he made to BBC Radio 2 the other day.
[Andrew plays the clip]
Interviewer: Can we talk about Potter?
Jason Isaacs: Yeah, yeah. Sure, go on. Absolutely.
Interviewer: Have you finished wrapping up yet?
[Jason Issacs laughs]
Interviewer: No, you haven't then?
Jason Isaacs: Yeah. No, I have finished. Hopefully, there will be some publicity, and I can maybe get the wig back on again. It was a very sad day for me, day I left. In fact, it wasn't planned. It was a decision we made about how Lucius should end his bit in the story. We had been leading up to it for a while and David, the lovely director, had kept me in touch with me then. "What are going to do with the end? What are we going to do that's really great? How will we have a lovely ending?" One day I came up with this thing, and he went "Oh, that's it! That will be great." Then we shot some particular bit, but I still had months left to film. I went to the trailer and took my gear off and the first assistant came to see me, went "Jason, we just looked at the schedule and realized that we don't need you in January, February, or March."
Jason Isaacs: He went, "Well because that thing you just decided to do means you're not in that scene, that scene, or that scene." And I went "I've changed my mind! No! I want to stay. Get everybody back!"
[Interview clip ends]
Andrew: So he revealed that David Yates, the director, came to him and said, "How are we going to end your character's role?" Jason came up with an idea that ended up cutting him out from several scenes. He didn't kill himself, did he?
Andrew: He didn't kill Lucius Malfoy. Then what happened, Eric? What do you think they did?
Eric: I think that they - that Lucius is going to be in the Chamber of Secrets when Ron and Hermione go down there. That's going to be his end. There's going to be another basilisk. It's going to be awesome.
Andrew: [laughs] So he's going to die?
Eric: Yeah. No, no, no. Not necessarily, but just so he's obviously trying to get into Hogwarts and all that. So he won't be in the scenes in the Manor and stuff. So he'll be conspicuously absent. I just think it means that because of where he is in the scene doesn't make sense for him to be in the background of other scenes.
Eric: I don't think he's dead.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah. Of course that is one popular theory being floated around right now because Jason Isaacs is very passionate about this role, but on the other hand, I can't imagine him coming up with an intricate new theory.
Micah: And I don't think he would though, that the thing. He's very true to the books and he loves the stories, so I don't think he would do anything that's really too far off of what's in the books.
Eric: Right. Yes.
Andrew: That's true.
Micah: But killing off his character? That's definitely a possibility because this is something that I know a lot of fans of the books worry about is, do the characters get a just end in the movies? And Lucius doesn't really get that great of an ending. I mean, he kind of just walks off with Narcissa and Draco, and there's really no story about what happens to him. We know that he doesn't necessarily turn good, but you know, he kind of eludes all the fighting that's going on at Hogwarts to save his son.
Micah: And I don't know if that's going to be a good enough end for people who have seen him be sort of this evil, sadistic character throughout the course of the movies.
Micah: What do you guys think?
Andrew: I think that's a good point. But this also makes me wonder - well, first of all, on top of Jason really caring about the role, and these books, David Yates also really cares about these books, so I don't think he would want to kill him off either. However, this makes me wonder, did he ask other actors how they want to end their roles? Did they just all come up with clever ways to end it? Because I think it would be really cool to see each character have some sort of special ending.
Andrew: By each character, I don't mean, obviously, every character, but the bigger roles.
Eric: I agree. I mean, I think it's going to be something akin to the toothpaste gag in Half-Blood Prince. Which, just that, you know - it something that was a strict movie-ism, but it was recurring in the movie, so it had continuity, and it doesn't really matter, but it's cool. I mean, many people, I guess, didn't like it...
Micah: My concern though, in this, though, is what would he have decided upon that would make him miss months of filming. That he wouldn't be in this scene or that scene or that scene. And it's all conjecture because we don't know in what order things were really filmed.
Micah: He could have filmed the ending at the very beginning. So - I mean, the other thing he could have done is switch sides earlier, and sort of betrayed Voldemort in some capacity. I don't know, but this is really odd. I mean, going back to the point you made earlier, are we going to see the scene where David Thewlis and Natalia Tena get killed? Because that's not in the books...
Micah: ...but a moviegoer would need more of that resolution, I think, instead of just seeing them on a table in the Great Hall in passing.
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Andrew: Yeah, that would be bad.
Eric: It is interesting. The other thing - we've gotten further confirmation in the past few weeks that there won't be any Hogwarts appearing in the first movie. You know, I've speculated at one point that it would be cool to see Neville and all of them going around, not just in a flashback, but sort of concurrently while everybody else is on the road, as a nice detractor. But it was actually - I think it was confirmed - I forget who did it - that we wouldn't see Hogwarts in Part I. They're sticking heavily to the book, so it is interesting for Jason Isaacs to say, "Hey, I got to choose how I ended things." And of course it removed him from certain scenes.
Andrew: Yeah. I don't know, this should be interesting. When I'm on set next week I'm going to ask him. But I probably won't be able to tell you because it pertains to Part II, and I can't talk about Part II until Part II is out.
Micah: Well, you can tell us, you just can't tell them.
Andrew: I'll tell you two.
Micah: Them being the listeners.
Andrew: Yeah. Them listeners. I'll be like, "Mr. Yates, please don't tell me. Don't tell me Lucius is dead." He'll be like, "No, no of course not, of course not. That'd be ridiculous. We'd never do such a thing. But we did kill McGonagall." No! Anyway, what else is going on, Micah?
Micah: Well, a little bit of news on the Wizarding World of Harry Potter. There seems to be a lot of contests, as we expected, that are surfacing to give people the opportunity to win a trip down to the Harry Potter theme park when it opens. And Ellen DeGeneres is joining the mix, and she's looking for die-hard Harry Potter fans.
Micah: And we know that she is going to be down there doing a couple episodes from Universal, Orlando, in the coming months. And it may, in fact, be tied in with the opening of the park, or maybe she's getting a tour, I think it was, even if it's...
Micah: ...not going to be fully complete. Who knows exactly what the specifics are going to be, but this is just another great opportunity for people to submit and hopefully win.
Andrew: I'm guessing this is another - what Ellen's going to do is she's going to go down there while taping her show and then get a tour of the park, but she's going to take the Harry Potter fan - the die-hard Harry Potter fan down with her. And then Ellen will walk around and be like, "Oh, what's this? What's this?"
Andrew: And the die-hard fan will be like, "Oh, well that is Honeyduke's. That's found in Hogsmeade."
Micah: That's a great point.
Andrew: So did you guys - I applied for this.
Micah: Did you really?
Andrew: Did you guys? Yeah.
Micah: You're not precluded in any way?
Andrew: Well, it said kids...
Andrew: ...but I don't think - they didn't set an age.
Eric: "Do you have a precocious child who knows everything..."
[Andrew and Micah laugh]
Eric: "...there is to know?" I read "child", Andrew, on MuggleNet, and I said, "Darn it, I can't apply." That just - it naturally was an exclusion to me.
Andrew: You know what? I did it anyway. Whatever! And there's a little box that says, "Explain why you would be the best Harry Potter fan." Because on the form it said if you're under fourteen, have your parents sign this. But, you know, you don't have to be...
Eric: Under fourteen.
Andrew: There was no strict age limit. So I said, "Look, I post news on MuggleNet. Ellen, I'll help you out. When I'm through with you, you'll be the best Harry Potter fan in the world." And I left it at that.
Eric: Well, let's see - did you really write that?
Andrew: Well, I put it a little nicer, but I did say that ëI'm part of MuggleNet, and when I'm through with you [laughs] you'll be the best Harry Potter fan!'
Eric: That's really awesome, and they have too many contests for kids who like Harry Potter. What about us? We were kids when we liked Harry Potter. I was reading my book for Chapter-by-Chapter, and my paperback book is eight years old, and falling apart.
Andrew: Wow, yeah.
Eric: And we were kids once, but we're not anymore. They need to have more contests to take us places.
Andrew: Yeah, and to be honest, they'll end up picking a fourteen year old, and that person will stink. I'm sorry, but you need someone with personality to join Ellen down there. So that's why - I also mentioned MuggleCast - so, Ellen, pick me!
Micah: Yeah, this is just another one of those competitions, I think, that NBC is doing. We mentioned the Today Show a while back, so it seems like a lot of NBC shows are getting involved in the park opening, and the construction that's going on down there, and doing all these shows. But guess what, Andrew? For all that we have on the Wizarding World of Harry Potter, you can visit our Theme Park section!
Andrew: That's right!
Micah: Where all of this information is.
Andrew: We have a very exhaustive Theme Park section on MuggleNet. Just go to MuggleNet.com, and on the left, under Info, you'll see ëHP Theme Park,' where there's pictures and the latest news stories, and some numbers, and all that. By the way, if Ellen picks me, I will also be giving her tips on American Idol, because I don't think she's been very good on that show.
Micah: Wow, that's a bold statement.
Andrew: What? Well, I want to tell her how it's done - how to judge! Ellen, I'm going to judge you judging!
Eric: You didn't like her comparison about the banana in the paper bag?
Andrew: [laughs] That was her one joke she ever made on the show. I thought that was kind of funny, because that's what people are expecting her to do, but that was the one time she made a joke. It's about time!
Micah: Well, speaking of the Wizarding World, the last bit of news that we have is that the Hogwarts Express is finally there, and I received a picture in my inbox, and I posted it on the site, and you know how much I love pictures, after Half-Blood Prince, so this was just like Christmas Day for me.
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Micah: But it's good to see the park's coming together and I think we'll continue to get more from Universal, Orlando, as the pieces of the puzzle start coming together.
Andrew: Well, it's a beautiful photo and what was new about this photo is you see the steam coming out of the Hogwarts Express and that really makes it feel alive. I thought the thing was just going to sit there, but it's also going to be billowing steam, and it's got Harry's little carriage with all his luggage sitting right out front of it. So it's really cute. And it looks like on the left side of the train there is a little ramp to walk up to sort of get...
Micah: Photo op?
Andrew: Yeah, a little photo opportunity there. So I think it's - what a nice little welcoming to walk into the theme park, a little Hogwarts Express.
Micah: Yeah, it seems like they're doing everything possible to make the experience for people.
Andrew: Yeah. I mean, just the billowing smoke, I think that makes all the difference in the world.
Andrew: It brings it to life. It's cool. Good job, Universal.
Eric: There was one thing that isn't in - I just checked at the end of the show when we remind people about Infinitus - Christian Coulson is going to be there.
Eric: Just thought you should...
Andrew: ...that news, was revealed earlier this week. The Chamber of Secrets star who played Tom Riddle.
Eric: Ah, that's awesome.
Andrew: What's a good quote from that movie by him?
Eric: Uh, "For the last few months, Harry, my target has been you."
Andrew: So he'll be at Infinitus - Infinitus2010.org is the site you can go to to get all the information about the Harry Potter conference!
Eric: What's next?
Andrew: Yes, Ben, we will be doing a podcast there.
Andrew: He telepathically asked me. All right so, let's move on now to the e-mails this week. And well, before we get to the regular e-mails, you guys may remember that last time on Episode 193, we were talking about what the "Not my daughter, you bitch!" sound clips sounded like when narrated by Stephen Fry and Jim Dale. Well, our faithful listeners Shae, Jon, and Josh, they all sent in the clips of Stephen and Jim narrating this bit of the book. And they are so funny, I'd never heard them before! [laughs] So, first, here is Stephen Fry.
[Audio (Stephen Fry)]: Not my daughter, you bitch!
Andrew: And then here is Jim Dale.
[Audio (Jim Dale)]: "Not my daughter, you bitch!"
Andrew: [laughs] I just thought it was funny.
Eric: Stephen Fry...
Micah: Who wins out there? I think Jim Dale does.
Andrew: Yeah, I think so too...
Andrew: Because of that pause.
Eric: Totally Stephen Fry! There's no pause mid-sentence!
Andrew: Well, let's listen again. Here's Stephen:
[Audio (Stephen Fry)]: Not my daughter, you bitch!
Andrew: And here's Jim.
[Audio (Jim Dale)]: Not my daughter, you bitch!
Micah: Nah, I got to give it to Jim Dale!
Eric: Why?! That's like a separate thought! There is no separate thought in there. It's like, "not my daughter... you bitch!"
Andrew: But that inflection makes it all the difference!
Micah: But Jim was on the show.
Andrew: "You bitch!"
Micah: Jim was on the show. Stephen was not, so... it goes to Jim.
Eric: I'm sorry, I am on the side of Stephen Fry on this one. That's all there is to it.
Andrew: I'm with Jim Dale. And Micah. By the way, we should mention - and, some people, I guess newer listeners don't know this, but the intro to our show, when you hear "Welcome to MuggleCast", and you hear McGonagall and Dobby characters talking, that's Jim Dale. He did that narration for us when we interviewed him about, close to two years ago.
Eric: That's so awesome.
Andrew: Yeah. It was really cool. And when we asked him to do it, it was great! Because we didn't even ask him to do those voices, he just - we were like, "Hey, could you do an intro for us?" and he just went into that thing. It was really, really nice of him. laughs And so good, so - love having that. That's a nice way to intro the show. Okay, let's get into some e-mails. Eric, could you read the first one from Gigi?
Eric: First one comes from Gigi D., age 15, from Missouri. She says:
"Hey MuggleCasters! I have a Muggle Mail about Hermione and Time Travel. In the last two episodes, 192 and 193, you talk about how Hermione must be older, but I don't think she is. In Chamber of Secrets, she is petrified and therefore does not age, so the Time Traveling would really speed up her growing so that she would be her actual age at the end of PoA. If she would have continued for much longer though, I think she would've had more aging problems. To put this another way, Harry is about three hours older, but Hermione is not. Sorry if this sounds confusing. I love your show and I've been a listener for a while, since Episode 101. Sincerely, Gigi."
Eric: That's kind of cool. She points out that Hermione being petrified may have served to counteract her aging...
Eric: ...in the next book. That's kind of cool!
Andrew: That is cool. That's a funny way...
Micah: We have smart listeners.
Andrew: I could picture Jo mentioning that too. [laughs]
Eric: That's true. That's really cool.
Andrew: As her clever way of excusing that whole theory of Hermione aging.
Eric: History is course correcting.
Andrew: Micah, would you like to take the next e-mail?
Micah: Yeah. The next e-mail comes from Xenia, 18, from Phoenix, and she says:
"Just as a slight correction. One of the reader's e-mails said that Trelawney told Lavender to beware a red-head man. It was in fact, Parvati. Love the show. It pays to have the book in front of you. From Xenia."
[Andrew and Micah laugh]
Micah: All right!
Andrew: Oopsies! A little backhanded comment.
Micah: This was sent in by quite a few people, so it wasn't just Xenia that caught this. And what people were suggesting was in fact, Trelawney was not seeing Parvati but her sister who ends up at the Yule Ball with Ron.
Eric: Ooh. We have an excuse for everything on this show.
Micah: Yeah, we do.
Andrew: Did you pick this e-mail because she signed it 'pickles!'? We haven't heard that in a while.
Eric: And her name is Xenia, which is awesome.
Micah: Yeah, I picked it because of her name.
Andrew: [laughs] So if you want your e-mail read on the show, please come to us with the coolest name ever.
Micah: And be from the coolest place.
Micah: Not saying that Phoenix is the coolest place, but yeah.
Micah: I look at countries too when I'm picking e-mails. To kind of highlight our international listeners.
Andrew: You are so biased. Our poor - but we do read all your e-mails.
Micah: We do.
Andrew: We just can't put them all on the show of course.
Micah: Well we could, it'd just be really long.
Eric: Next e-mail comes from Georgia-Kate, age 14, from Bristol, United Kingdom. Says,
"Hey guys, I was recently listening to Episode 193. During the Chapter-by-Chapter review you mentioned that on the morning of Harry's Quidditch match, in which he sees the Grim, he woke up to find Crookshanks in the boy's dorm and spent most of the morning trying to stop Crookshanks from reentering the dorm. By this point Crookshanks should know that Scabbers is not as he seems, so I had thought maybe Crookshanks was watching over Harry kind of protecting him if Pettigrew tried to approach him. Just a theory, hope you like it. Love the podcast. Keep up the awesome work."
Eric: I think it's cool.
Micah: Well, I mean, what's going to happen? Is Crookshanks going to bust in with an AK-47 or something if Pettigrew transforms? I don't really know that Scabbers is that dangerous though. You look at the fact of the first two books, he never attempted to do anything to Harry throughout any of those, so...
Eric: It's fair question because knowing that Crookshanks is talking to the dog version of Sirius, it seems very plausible that Sirius would say, "Hey look, can you look after Harry?" It just seems like Harry might need protecting.
Eric: That seems to be the credit for this. And then on the other hand, there's your question, Micah, when Pettigrew does transform back into a human, it's the first time he's apparently done it in thirteen years and he has to be forced to transform back. It's not an easy transition - it's not like he's just going to whip out and turning into human is an option to him just yet. Pettigrew is very much waiting to see what is and isn't going to happen. If he has the upper hand, Voldemort is going to take him back and all that, then he'll do it, but it's a question of whether Peter can turn back to being human. But he's still a dirty rat.
Andrew: He is.
Eric: That's a good question.
Andrew: Yeah. I think the theory is plausible. It is a very interesting - and we'll discuss more about Crookshanks and Scabbers and all that in our Chapter-by-Chapter series. There's a couple more rounds of fighting in this instalment.
Micah: All right. The last e-mail comes from Chloe, 18, of Christchurch, New Zealand. And she says,
"Hey there, Mugglecast. I would like to put in my two cents on the whole Draco and Pansy discussion you had in Episode 193 about why Draco and Pansy never ended up together. I found this piece of information off 'Harry Potter' Wiki about why Draco and Pansy never got together. J.K. Rowling has said that Pansy never ended up with Draco because she always hated her. "I loathe Pansy Parkinson. I don't love Draco but I really dislike her. She's every girl who ever teased me in school. She's the anti-Hermione. I loathe her."
"So I'm guessing she didn't want Pansy to have a happy ending since she hated the character so much, though it still bugs me that she just got some random character to marry Draco, Astoria Greengrass. But then again, the series is not called 'Draco Malfoy', it's called 'Harry Potter'. Sorry if this does not make complete sense. From, Chloe."
And it makes perfect sense. And I'm glad that she put that in there because I don't think we said anything about what J.K. Rowling had to say about it last week.
Andrew: Basically, Jo just wanted to stick it to Pansy.
Eric: To Pansy Parkinson.
Andrew: "You will not be happily married!" It's kind of funny.
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Eric: Oh gosh.
Micah: Once again we have smart listeners. Finding this stuff...
Andrew: Yeah! Keeping an eye out for us. Yup.
Micah: Better than us!
Andrew: Well, I wouldn't say that.
Eric: They should just replace us. Open auditions for MuggleCast!
Andrew: Well like I mentioned before, there is just so much information pertaining to the series, it's quite impossible to get it all and to have it all memorized. Especially things that Jo has said in the past. However, we do try to look stuff up while we're talking about these topics.
Eric: Yeah, and we're always happy to read these e-mails.
Andrew: Oh, of course.
Eric: Especially if you have an interesting name or are from an interesting place.
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