MuggleCast 196 Transcript (continued)
News: Rhys Ifans Interview
Micah: Rhys Ifans, who's going to be playing Xenophilius Lovegood in Deathly Hallows, he did an interview as well. A lot of interviews going on the last couple of weeks. And he just talked about how excited he was to be involved in Harry Potter, that he made it in the final film, he said, "I got it, man!"
Micah: And he also spoke about Evanna Lynch and working with her, and how great of an experience that was.
Eric: That was interesting, because talking about Evanna, he says whenever the set decorators would do something wrong, Evanna would call them out on it and have them change...
Eric: I think it's in particular - or was that when she's talking about her bedroom, she said there'd be more books - was that an Emma Watson thing? That - I'm confusing news stories?
Micah: It says here that he said, "If there's a question on set and they have a plethora of researchers and people who've read the books but if anyone needs to know any miniscule detail about anything that has happened in any Harry Potter novel from start to finish, they ask her." Referring to, Evanna.
News: Deathly Hallows Script Found
Micah: Oh, and this is a bit of news that happened over the course of the last couple of weeks. And, look people, we're very well aware of the fact that the script for Deathly Hallows was left in a pub somewhere in England. [laughs]
Eric: What do you mean you're aware of it, Micah, did you pick it up?
Andrew: This story came out in a tabloid, and usually it's our policy to not post tabloid stories like that, so that's why we did not post it. We just - I don't know, what do you want to say about it, Micah?
Micah: Well, you can stop sending it in to us...
Micah: Because we know that it happened. We probably have over 150 to 200 e-mails saying that this happened. We know it happened but as Andrew said, generally we don't post that kind of news, because it's a tabloid.
Andrew: Who was it that left it in the pub?
Micah: Who was it? I think it was part of the crew.
Micah: I think they generally go out and drink regularly at this bar...
Micah: ...and probably one of them or more than one of them had the script on them and they just dropped it. And luckily it was returned to Warner Brothers. The only way it would have been news is if it leaked out. So that's why we didn't post it. [Laughs] If it had leaked part of the script, we probably would have run that until Warner Brothers told us to take it down.
Andrew: [laughs] Right. Hey guys, here's the script! Take it while you can!
Eric: That's typically how we do that, yeah.
Andrew: Free copies of the script! Get them while you can.
News: Ultimate Edition Covers
Micah: And speaking of movies, covers for Prisoner of Azkaban and Goblet of Fire Ultimate Editions were released.
Micah: They don't look that interesting to me.
Eric: Are you kidding? They added a whole color to Prisoner of Azkaban. They added yellow. It was previously just blue.
Andrew: And they added purple to Goblet of Fire. It's fabulous.
Eric: Yeah. But...
Andrew: I mean, listen. When this whole set is going to be complete, it's going to be like this rainbow. Movies 1 through 8...
Andrew: ...like this rainbow of box sets. I think it's - the covers are nice. I mean, what can you say about them? They're covers.
Micah: Right. There's no release date yet, so - and we already know what's going to be contained.
Eric: Right. Do we know about the - we know about the documentaries, though. The special documentaries. In Prisoner or Azkaban it's going to be "Magical Creatures" of the series. Remember, these are the all-encompassing documentaries that talk about production aspects of all seven films, and they're just included one by one in all these films as they are released in the Ultimate Editions. And...
Eric: ... part four is "Sound and Music." And by the time part four is released, I really hope that it includes - obviously a documentary on the seventh and eighth scores for the final films.
Micah: Are they going to speak to each individual composer from the films in those?
Eric: I would be pissed if they didn't.
Andrew: I would bet so. And one of the documentaries is going to be about - yeah, I guess year four, yeah that is going to be - hopefully that will focus on John Williams, Nicholas Hooper, the other ones. [laughs] But yeah. I mean...
Micah: Patrick Doyle who was on this show.
Andrew: Patrick Doyle. Right.
Micah: Don't forget about him.
Andrew: I think we're going to have some other stuff to look forward to, as well, in these Ultimate Editions. So I'm excited to see when they come out. I hope it's this year. I think it would make sense to release those around, say November when Deathly Hallows: Part I comes out.
Andrew: Just a guess.
Micah: Christmas time.
Andrew: [in a British accent] If I were a betting man, I would say that they will come out mid-November.
News: Dan Radcliffe back on Broadway
Micah: All right. And final bit of news - somebody put this in here. I'm guessing it was Eric.
Andrew: I did.
Micah: ...or Andrew.
Eric: No, it wasn't.
Andrew: Believe it or not. [laughs]
Eric: I just - I loaded MuggleNet - I just saw it on MuggleNet right now and I am speechless.
Micah: The reason why I said Eric is because I know that you're very into the theater side of things. So Dan Radcliffe is set to sing, dance on Broadway in How to Succeed in Business - isn't there more? Without Really Trying?
Andrew: Without really trying.
Eric: Without really trying.
Micah: Yeah, so he will return to Broadway. Of course he was on Broadway - was it a couple of years ago now?
Micah: In Equus.
Andrew: Yeah this is good news. We found out about a few months ago that this was a rumor, apparently he was in talks. Then Eric went all fan-boy on us and was like, "Oh I've been in this play and..." You had the same role that he's going to be?
Andrew: I guess he - yeah?
Andrew: Do you think he can handle it? Are you going to call him up?
Micah: You should compare notes.
Eric: I am really excited.
Eric: No, I'm really excited. I'm not a big fan of the theater as much as I am of the show. It's a really good show. It's a little soon to be reviving it. But I am not complaining because...
Micah: Well you could...
Andrew: You mean reviving it since you did it? [laughs]
Eric: No, no, no. Because they did it in '95.
Andrew: Right, right.
Eric: They did it in 1964 and then 1995 and so to do it in 2011 - well I guess it's 16 years.
Andrew: Well they must feel passionately about it I guess.
Eric: Well I think they could do a really good job. I mean I - if Dan Radcliffe is - the lead character is American so they must know - must have some idea of where they're going to go with it.
Andrew: Yeah. That's cool.
Micah: Well Eric, we'll send you to - I don't know what the term is for it. There is a special term for when they screen these shows. But we'll send you to one of these and you guys can compare notes and you let us know.
Eric: Is that a promise? I mean I'm serious...
Micah: Yeah. Absolutely.
Eric: ...because I'm very passionate about...
Micah: You make your way to New York - when is it supposed to start on Broadway?
Eric: 2011. Spring '11.
Micah: Awww, that's more than a year.
Andrew: I bet tomorrow Eric is going to sit down at his desk, handwrite a letter to Dan. "Dear Dan..."
[Eric and Micah laugh]
Andrew: "...This is Eric Scull from MuggleNet. I was once in this play just like you are and I would like to offer some tips. In Scene 4, Act B, Paragraph C..."
Andrew: "...Letter 9, you must jump." I don't know. [laughs]
Micah: Okay, it's time to move on in the show.
Andrew: Yes please, go ahead. [laughs]
Micah: This is going nowhere. [laughs]
Andrew: Eric, good luck with coaching Dan, I think you could, and you should! All right, so that does it for news this week, thank you Micah, you've always got your pulse on the Harry Potter news wire.
Micah: Yeah, there was a lot of news this week, like I said.
Announcement: MuggleCast Remix
Andrew: There you go. Micah Tannenbaum, keeping an eye on the Potter news for us. Moving along, before we get to Chapter-by-Chapter, we want to make a little announcement. As we said at the top of the show, we're approaching Episode 200, and Eric is putting together a second MuggleCast Remix. Now, the first MuggleCast Remix took Episodes 1 through 25 and took the best clips and put them together to this techno beat. You can dance to it, and they play it at clubs from time to time still, it's pretty cool.
Andrew: So, Eric is doing is a second one, but this one is going to be Episodes 25 to 100.
Andrew: 100, okay.
Andrew: Episodes 25 to 100. What we're looking for is your favorite moments.
Eric: We decided to involve the fans in this gathering of clips because what you like from these episodes of MuggleCast is going to be different from what we like. What we want is time-stamps, not actual audio clips of MuggleCast. The Episode number...
Micah: Or transcripts.
Eric: ...yeah, not transcripts either. Actually the best way to do this is to listen and what we're looking for specifically are moments in the show that you think highlight either our dynamic, like our personalities, funny moments, just moments that you enjoy listening to that you think would sound good with a little beat to them. And actually the best thing...
[Andrew makes techno beat sound]
Eric: ...exactly. I said to Andrew and Micah, I think the best way to gear the listeners up to possibly contributing to this mix is to actually make available - make re-available, the original mix, just to give you guys an idea, but I'd like to do something quite similar, but basically a showcase of twenty five - Episodes 26 to 100. Remember, a lot of stuff happened between Episodes 26 and 100. We were still speculating about Book 7 guys. We had just - Book 6 had just come out that previous Summer, and we had no clue. So there's tons of stuff. We premiered Chapter-by-Chapter; we still had Kevin Steck...
Eric: ...as a host on the show.
Eric: A lot of things that just don't happen very much anymore.
Andrew: And Episode 100 was our Deathly Hallows midnight release episode. We recorded that hours before Book 7 was released in London. It was an amazing show.
Eric: It was amazing. So, basically, this is for our 200th Episode celebration, which is premiering in - what - June is it? Late May, early June, possibly?
Andrew: Early June.
Eric: Early June. So that means this is actually - has a time frame attached to it. So if you could, take an episode any old episode of MuggleCast from the Episodes page MuggleCast.com. Look at the subject, if it seems interesting to you - if it seems like it will be fun, and just listen to the episode; it'll take an hour. And if you see anything funny, please send it in to me. You can send it to me at eric at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Just subject your e-mail "MuggleCast Mix". And, please, I look really forward to the variety of your submissions.
Andrew: And we'll make a news post on the front page of MuggleCast.com with...
Andrew: ...all those details again.
Eric: Yes, it will be less confusing...
Andrew: So visit MuggleCast.com for details.
Micah: Yeah. The one thing I will add too, this is a great opportunity. A lot of people talk about being able to go back and - and listen to some of our shows because we do have a lot of new listeners that have come on in the last five episodes or so - even the last ten episodes or so, so this is really a great opportunity to go back and see how things started out.
Andrew: Don't laugh too hard when you turn on Episode 32, and you hear me [In a nasally voice], Hi, everyone...
Andrew: ...welcome to Episode 32 of MuggleCast. This is Andrew Sims, podcasting from my parents' house.
Chapter-by-Chapter: "Professor Trelawney's Prediction"
Andrew: All right on to Chapter-by-Chapter. This week we are looking at Chapters 16 and 17 of Prisoner of Azkaban. We'll start with Chapter 16, "Professor Trelawney's Prediction." The opening of this chapter reflects the mood that many students are feeling right now, in the real world. Hints of Summer that are in the air and all anyone wants to do is get school over with, myself included. Summertime, baby! Let's go. But right at the beginning of the chapter the whole Summer spirit sort of fades quickly when the Trio realize that Buckbeak's appeal is coming up, and an executioner is coming along as well. And they conclude that the Ministry has already made up their minds. They're not going to give Buckbeak a second chance, it's just "boom!" Come on along, executioner, it's time to get chopping, you know what I'm saying? And another example of how the Ministry is so corrupt and can be so easily influenced. In this example, with Lucius Malfoy.
Micah: Yeah, I agree. And this is just one of those things, though that's kind of hard to believe. I mean, there's a creature which has a protocol, essentially, for how you're supposed to approach it. And it's almost like Malfoy, from misbehaving in class, is rewarded in the sense that this execution is going to take place. It's just, in concept, so ridiculous.
Eric: And not only has the Ministry made up their minds and they're going to execute Buckbeak, but the executioner is a fellow Death Eater of Lucius Malfoy's. They're old Death Eater buddies! They sat at the pub and talked about killing Mudbloods together. And honestly, I want to know who gave that guy the hatchet? Because he's this creepy Death Eater guy. And it was no shock when we saw Macnair was one of the Death Eaters in front of Voldemort. And especially in the movie he's this very creepy, dark figure, almost like a Dementor, and I just think it is really suspect...
Eric: ...because it's darkness before there is - I just wonder why - how Macnair escaped suspicion in the Ministry this long to still hold the position of being their executioner.
Micah: Yeah, I mean, he goes from Death Eater to executioner. It's kind of like you're not really changing your job description much.
Eric: I'd like to know his story. In fact, maybe that'll be the eighth Harry Potter book that J.K. Rowling writes in ten years.
Micah: And why executioner? I mean, isn't there a spell you can just cast on the bird - on the hippogriff?
Eric: Yeah, exactly! I mean if Unforgivable Spells are unforgivable and - why sanction an executioner at all? What else does he execute? On behalf of the Ministry?
Andrew: Yeah. Or lock them away in Petzkaban!
[Eric and Micah laugh]
Andrew: What's so funny?
Eric: That has to be the title of this episode.
Andrew: You've never heard of Petzkaban? Jo references it in Goblet of Fire. Check it out.
Micah: I will.
Eric: Who guards Petzkaban?
Andrew: The Depentors. [laughs]
Eric: That fell apart very fast.
Andrew: Why? Depentors! De-"pet"-ors. Is that - no, that's not good? I think it's brilliant. Anyway... [laughs]
Andrew: So it's exam time, like I sort of said, and the students are getting through their exams. After the Defense Against the Dark Arts exam the trio runs into Cornelius Fudge with two representatives from the Committee for the Disposal of Dangerous Creatures. This bothers Ron that they're already here with a freshly tuned axe to the point where Ron wants to say something to them, but of course Hermione steps in and stops Ron from making a wise crack by nudging Ron hard in the ribs. What do you think Ron was going to say to them? And why do you think he didn't take into consideration the fact that his dad works for the Ministry? He could have gotten his dad in trouble, too. His dad could have been executed!
Andrew: I mean, geesh, with all these rules, wouldn't surprise me.
Eric: I think at this point on that particular subject Arthur would have backed his son up. You know in the beginning of Chamber of Secrets when they steal the car and Ron gets a Howler for getting his dad into trouble at work, that's different because Arthur was doing something illegal. In this case it's really a matter of - the creature's innocent, this whole execution is preposterous. If Ron would have said something, I honestly think Arthur would have backed him up.
Micah: Yeah. Standing up for what you believe in, I think that's what Ron was doing and I agree with Eric. I think he would have been backed up by his dad. But I also think there's other times in the series that Ron acts without thinking about his father's position at the Ministry because you always - and even Harry does the same thing, too if you think about it because there's always sort of these moments where Harry will think to himself after an event occurs, "Oh, I shouldn't have done that because I compromised Mr. Weasley's job at the Ministry." Whether it's the Ford Anglia or something else.
Andrew: Yeah. I wonder if Cornelius would have actually taken action if Ron did say something to them. I think he wouldn't - yeah, he probably would have just brushed it off. He's got bigger problems to worry about. So moving along, Harry and Ron's final exam is Divination and during Harry's exam Trelawney asks him to look into - Trelawney asks Harry to look into the orb and describe what he sees. Harry doesn't see anything, of course, but pretends that he sees a hippogriff, and Trelawney gets all excited because she believes he is actually having a vision. Trelawney then asks if the hippogriff has his head - because of what was going to happen that day - and keeping positive, Harry insists it does have its head. He then mentions he sees it flying away. Which I sort of thought was a bit of foreshadowing because that's obviously what happens in this book after Buckbeak is freed. Do you guys think that's sort of a skewed foreshadowing?
Eric: It's definitely a showing of Harry's character because he's determined that Buckbeak is not going to get killed, and he doesn't yet have the tools to prevent Buckbeak from being killed. He doesn't have all the facts, he doesn't know how he's going to do it, but he's determined that - he insists, and Trelawney looks at him and says, "Well, obviously you aren't seeing the future then." She scoffs, I think, when he insists that the hippogriff has its head. She says, "Oh, I must be mistaken" because she is sure the hippogriff is going to be executed. But Harry is determined. He is very insistent that it does have its head, that he can't think about it any other way. And yeah, so it is foreshadowing because Harry has that drive to save the hippogriff.
Andrew: Oh, that's true.
Micah: Yeah. Well, I think a lot of things that happen in her class end up coming true. I think that's just sort of the comical nature of how she's written...
Micah: ...and her class is written.
Andrew: So Harry starts walking away - because he's done - when all of a sudden Trelawney snaps to prediction mode. And when Trelawney wakes from her prediction mode, she can't remember a thing despite Harry insisting that she had done it. The prophecy goes, [as Trelawney] "The Dark Lord lies alone and friendless, abandoned by his followers. His servant has been chained these twelve years. Tonight, before midnight, the servant will break free and set out to rejoin his master. The Dark Lord will rise again with his servant's aid, greater and more terrible than he ever was." [laughs]
[Eric starts humming "The Phantom of the Opera" theme]
Andrew: "Tonight, before midnight, the servant" [gasps] "will set out" [gasps] "to rejoin" [gasps] "his master." [gasps] End. Fin.
Andrew: So when Trelawney wakes from her prediction, she can't remember a thing, despite Harry insisting she had just done it. And we the reader see it actually did happen. Was Trelawney doing all that for show or was it a legitimate prediction, Micah? Was she making this up that she couldn't remember?
Micah: No. I mean, we don't learn about her ability, really, and the extent of it until Order of the Phoenix, but I think that this is a legitimate prediction. This is a legitimate prophecy, if you will. I don't know how much of a prophecy it really is - it's more of a prediction and it ends up coming true. I mean, she gets into full seer-mode here and you can tell that Harry really believed what it was that she had to say, particularly because sort of the change in her behavior.
Andrew: It's kind of ironic that she doesn't even know that she is making a prediction when, you know, she's all about making predictions and wants so bad everyone to see that she's making these predictions, you know?
Eric: Yeah, but her actual - the actual - I think it speaks for a lot of things, but isn't there a moment in Book 5 where - or maybe it's Book 6 - where Dumbledore talks about the record of the prophecy - of her first prophecy being stored at the Ministry? Did somebody need to hear that and then report it in order for it to be recorded at the Ministry or is she actually evoking some quill and paper somewhere who are writing down what her prophecy is saying? Because if we're to take this as a legitimate prophecy - like Dumbledore says, you know, she's only done it once before. Is there something at the Ministry of Magic that's keeping track of this? Because we've seen the Hall of Prophecy and it's loaded with prophecies and you think that every time someone goes into a trance and says it that it's recorded and abbreviated like this?
Micah: That's a good question. I mean, I don't know the answer to it. There's got to be a way of recording prophecies. I think it's probably up to the person who's on the receiving end to go about putting it into the Hall of Prophecy. I don't know if you [laughs] sign up for an orb and...
Micah: ...take out your memory and put it into it or something like that.
Eric: And that's the other thing about her having no memory that she said, it's almost for her own protection. You know, she's the one who predicted that Lord Voldemort would fall. If she knew anything about it, if she had any conscious knowledge of having said that, Voldemort would have found her and beaten it out of her. Instead he had to rely on somebody like Snape. But it - the other thing about this prophecy is that her ancestor was this famous Seer and it's almost like her ancestors - especially in the movie with the inhaling and all that stuff - it's like an ancestor is speaking through her. Very creepy, very creepy. But it just made me think that she was kind of being possessed.
Micah: Yeah. Well, the ancestor side of things though - Cassandra was a prophetess, I guess, who would always foretell the future but nobody would ever believe what she said, and it's kind of interesting because that's a little bit like what Trelawney seems to be. In terms of her character she - well, I guess not, though. Nobody - no that's true - nobody believes what she has to say.
Eric: That's not inaccurate to me.
Micah: Yeah, except when it comes to the serious stuff, then people take her seriously.
Andrew: So the trio learn that the execution is on and will be happening at sunset. Their only issue with going is Harry can't head out without the Invisibility Cloak. So Hermione, wasting no time, goes to retrieve it. When she returns with the cloak Ron says, [as Ron] "Hermione, I don't know what's gotten into you lately! First you hit Malfoy, then you walk out on Professor Trelawney..."
Andrew: So what has gotten into Hermione? We've sort of talked about this in earlier Chapter-by-Chapter installments for Prisoner of Azkaban. Is this all the school work stressing her out to the point where she just refuses to take any B.S.? That's how I see it.
Micah: Well, I think that a lot of it has to do with the fact that she's really passionate about this trial and saving Buckbeak because didn't she work so hard initially to ensure that Hagrid had a good trial?
Andrew: Right, right.
Micah: So maybe she takes it a little bit personally, even though the odds are immensely stacked against her from the Ministry standpoint. Maybe she takes it personally that the work that she did just wasn't good enough...
Eric: Yeah, yeah.
Micah: ...on both the initial end and then on the appeals end.
Eric: Yeah, and I honestly - I really think that's a good, good point. Solid point.
Andrew: Yeah, I agree. And the school a little bit - come on, give me some validation.
Micah: Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. I think she's burnt out.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah.
Micah: She needs some butterbeer.
Andrew: So after dinner, the trio go to see - yes she does need some Butterbeer. A lot of it. So after dinner the trio head to see Hagrid. He is a complete mess, understandably, and they're all talking when, in a surprise twist, Hermione finds Scabbers in an empty milk jug. But there's not much time for celebration because Hagrid then sees Dumbledore, Cornelius, and the executioner approaching. Harry takes a look at Buckbeak who, as Harry notes, looks like he's aware of something going on. This is sort of when they're escaping Hagrid's hut right before Dumbledore and company come in. So do you guys think Buckbeak had possibly noticed the time traveling trio at this point? Is that what he sees going on? I thought Jo should have made some references here to the time traveling trio. So maybe this is it? I'm still very confused. I know we did an episode on time traveling. It was very good, but I'm still very confused by how it all works...
Micah: Wasn't it the time traveling duo? Doesn't...
Andrew: Is it?
Micah: ...doesn't Ron stay in the hospital?
Andrew: Oh. I'm thinking about the movie.
Eric and Micah: ...he stays at the hospital during the movie.
Andrew: He does?
Eric: Yeah because Michael Gambon keeps touching his leg.
Andrew: Oh. Oh yeah. You're right. You're right...
Micah: But anyway that wouldn't make a difference. But to your point, maybe. These magical creatures have these senses that humans don't. But...
Eric: Do you mean that he already...
Micah: ...I think he was probably scared though...
Micah: He probably was sensing more the fact that his execution was approaching than anything else. No?
Eric: Do you mean did he already see them or...
Andrew: Yeah maybe did he see Harry and Hermione in the woods or he noticed that something was going on behind him, not just what's going on in front of him. Let's say he's facing toward Hagrid's hut. Maybe he hears something going on behind him and its Harry and Hermione from the future.
Micah: Could be...
Andrew: I don't know. It just would have been cool if Jo had some sort of hint at what was about to happen in these next couple of chapters. I don't know. Just thought it was - but yeah I think Micah, you just said it. You bring up a good point. It could have been Buckbeak just sensing, "Oh geez there's a guy with an axe coming up to me. Maybe I should shuffle around a little bit." [laughs]. So anyway, the trio leave Hagrid's hut and Scabbers can't stop bothering Ron in his pocket. Hermione insists they keep moving, when all of the sudden they hear the swishing of an axe.
Micah: Dun dun dun...
Eric: Okay, that...
Andrew: He's dead! He's dead! Or is he?
Eric: That was pretty cool, in the movie.
Andrew: Yeah it was.
Eric: Just the swishing of the axe, you know - that...
Eric: That particular part. It's a long axe! That was a really long handle. I mean, I guess you need that to decapitate a beast that is going to - if it could reach you it would kind of put up a fight.
Micah: And this is actually...
Micah: The point in the movie where she punches Malfoy. Isn't it?
Andrew: Just about, yeah. Yeah, just about.
Micah: It's after the execution, because he's joking.
Eric: After the execution, yeah.
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