Andrew [Show Intro with music in background]: This is MuggleCast - Episode 20 for December 18, 2005.
Ben: Hey everyone! Welcome to MuggleCast! I'm Ben Schoen.
Andrew: I'm Andrew Sims.
Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.
Jamie: And still, after ten weeks, I'm Jamie Lawrence.
Andrew: The Brit is back.
Ben: Hey, hold on a second.
Laura: You're kidding me.
Ben: That's fine. But Micah, Micah, why did you go...hold on! Micah, why did you go ahead of Laura?
Micah: Because Andrew told me to.
Andrew: Because that's what I told him to do. [laughs]
Ben: Okay Micah, go to the Dungeon. Get out of here. Get out of my sight.
Micah: You know what? You go to the Dungeon...Bain! [laughs]
Andrew: Sounds like Ben's Mom.
Ben: How dare you! [laughs]
Ben: Oh geez. Micah, okay...
Micah: We'll see how long you last down there.
Ben: Micah, you don't have to go to the Dungeon, but at least update us on this week's News.
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire has been short-listed for a Special Effects Oscar. Six other films are also in the running, including King Kong and The Chronicles of Narnia. Fifteen-minute clip reels from each film will be screened for the Visual Effects Award Nominating Committee on January 25. At this screening, members will vote to nominate three of the seven films for Oscar consideration.
Speaking of nominations, my personal favorite song from the Goblet of Fire soundtrack, "Do the Hippogriff" is currently one of 42 tracks long listed for an Oscar in the "Best Original Song from a Motion Picture" category. The final nominees will be announced on January 31st.
Additionally, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire has been nominated for Best Family Film at the 2005 Critics' Choice Awards. Emma Watson and Dan Radcliffe have been nominated in the areas of Best Young Actress and Best Young Actor. The winners will be announced on January 9th on the WB Network.
For all the latest Goblet of Fire screen shots, videos, and interviews (including ones with Dan Radcliffe on Dateline and Ralph Fiennes' appearance on The Tonight Show and in the New York Times) head over to MuggleNet's Main Page.
Moving to Order of the Phoenix, Harry Potter Fan Zone has heard from Enchantment Casting, a British casting agency which represents young actors, that the role of Nymphadora Tonks has been filled. Apparently the role was filled right after casting began. Also, casting for the younger versions of Lily, Snape, Lupin, James, and Sirius is now in its final stages.
Although Enchantment Casting is usually informed about all parts in the movie, they have not yet heard any news regarding Marietta Edgecombe and Lavender Brown. As to whether they've been cut, we'll let you know when we receive more information.
In November, CBBC Newsround reported that five girls had made it through to the final stage of Warner Bros.' casting of Luna Lovegood. The children's news show now expects a decision to be made on who will play the everyone's favorite Ravenclaw early next month.
Finally, on Wednesday the official site of author JK Rowling expanded to offer French, German, Italian, and Spanish visitors with text-only versions. Now, if she would just update her site.
That's all the news for this December 18th, 2005 edition of MuggleCast. On with the show. And Ben, I think I'm just going to hang around - no Dungeon just yet.
Ben: Thanks, Micah. I think that News does redeem yourself. Okay, so Andrew, don't we have some announcements before we get into our main topic?
Andrew: Of course we do, Ben. As of the release of this episode... [coughs]
Ben: Poor Andrew. He's sick.
Jamie: He's very sick.
Ben: Send him some Sudafed.
Andrew: As...yeah...well we will get to that in a minute, about sending us stuff. As of the time of the release of this podcast, the Goblet of Fire Soundtrack Contest is now closed. So, we got a little over 500 entries. And once again, the winners will be picked randomly. Fifteen winners will win a free copy of the Goblet of Fire soundtrack. Free! Yours free for a fifteen-dollar value.
Ben: Oooh! We can "Do the Hippogriff" together. Right, Andrew?
Jamie: As opposed to having to enter a contest and then pay for the prize. I should hope they're free entry, you know?
Andrew: Unlike the contests we've done in the past, this one is free.
Jamie: Normally we charge a grand - $1,000 entry fee, but we thought we'd waive that this time.
Ben: Well, another thing we have is...I saw this got all set up today, is that some of you have e-mailed requesting to send things to us. You say you want to send us a letter. You say you want to send us a Chipotle gift card or anything. Well, we have a Post Office Box now. So, if you want to send us something - a letter, just anything you want to send us, you can send it to:
MuggleCast P.O. Box 223 Moundridge, Kansas 67107
Ben: That's MuggleCast...
Jamie: Maybe you should write that down.
Ben: P.O. Box 223, Moundridge...that's M-O-U-N-D-R-I-D-G-E, Kansas, 67107. I'll check that quite often, so...
Andrew: We'll have it on MuggleCast.com so you don't have to remember.
Ben: And it will also be in the "Show Notes." So...
Ben: If you want to send us something, go ahead and do it.
Micah: And it will also be in the transcript.
Ben: [laughs] Good job, Micah.
Ben: And also, in addition to having this new way to contact us, Andrew has something else of interest.
Andrew: Yeah, I just want to say about the P.O. Box, it's good that it is in Kansas because it is in a central location. You know what I mean?
Andrew: I guess not.
Ben: You jerk. Kansas rules! Kansas rules!
Andrew: No, I'm not even insulting. I'm just saying it saves on shipping rates, so...nevermind... [coughs] I can't even talk. So...
Ben: He can't even talk.
Andrew: And then also we've been working very hard this week. Non-stop! We just love MuggleCast.
Andrew: We put a lot of effort into all of this. We also now have a phone number. A phone number to call us and leave voicemails. Because one of the biggest complaints that we've gotten is that, "Oh my god! I don't have a microphone. How do I do it?" Well, you all have a phone...I hope.
Andrew: So...and the number for that is...it's a US number: 218-20- [whispers] MAGIC.
Ben: That's MAGIC with a "C," not a lame rip-off with MAGIK with a "K."
Andrew: Yeah. Absolutely not.
Ben: It's MAGIC with a "C."
Andrew: We put some work into this.
Ben: Yeah. We actually, we searched through it and we found MAGIC with a "C," so it is legit this time. And yeah, so...MAGIC with a "C."
Andrew: 218-20-MAGIC. Call us. Give us a call. Now, your normal, you know, rates will bah, bah, bah, will apply.
Andrew: But that's it. And leave us a message. Don't expect us to answer unless we're bored.
Jamie: Oooh! And also, you've forgotten one thing.
Jamie: Please seek the bill payer's permission before you call up.
Andrew: Ha ha ha. Yeah. [in deep voice] Please ask your parent's permission before calling.
Andrew: You don't, you don't really have to.
Ben: Well, folks. Laura, isn't our topic this week Emma Watson? Isn't that right?
Laura: Eh, no! [laughs]
Ben: Oh come on. Come on.
Laura: This is not Bemma. This is not Bemma. Our topic is Hermione.
Ben: Emma, Emma, Emma, Emma, Emma.
Ben: Bemma, Ben + Emma. Ben and Emma.
Ben: See Jamie, you're so in the dark here.
Laura: No, no, no.
Jamie: Oh no, I clearly am. I've missed all this.
Laura: Andrew even said last week that we are canceling Bemma and for that I am glad.
Ben: Okay, yeah. So I think...recently Emma just did an interview with the Kansas City Star. What did you guys think about that?
Andrew: Did she really?
Laura: I didn't actually hear it, but I figured you were excited.
Ben: Oh geez. You guys.
Ben: Okay, I guess we'll discuss Hermione since you guys are being jerks. Okay.
Andrew: Well, it is the one we promised this week.
Ben: But Emma is so much more exciting. Okay.
Jamie: To be honest, Ben, they're pretty much the same.
Micah: That's your Christmas present.
Ben: They're basically the same, are they? Okay.
Jamie: Well, you know, Emma plays Hermione. It's close to examine Hermione in relation to Emma then examine Malfoy or something. Unless you swing that way Ben.
Andrew: Well, we should talk about how Emma, how Hermione is portrayed in the films.
Ben: Very, very...
Andrew: ...some people take it the wrong way. See it badly, poorly.
Jamie: Ben thinks, Ben thinks she's portrayed very, very, very, very well.
Andrew: We'll get to that in a minute.
Jamie: Don't you, Ben?
Ben: Oh yeah.
Jamie: He has dreams at night. He has dreams at night of running through a cornfield and they're chasing each other and their arms are open...
Ben: Oh, come on.
Jamie: ...and you can hear like "Chariots of Fire" going...[hums the tune]
Ben: Okay, enough of embarrassing me. Okay, about Hermione. This information is from the HP-Lexicon.org. Her birth name is Hermione Jane Granger. The middle name came from the "World Book Day Chat" that JK Rowling did back in 2004. Hermione's is a name from Shakespeare's play...
Andrew: A Winter Tale.
Jamie: His only play.
Ben: Oh yeah, a little...yeah...[laughs]
Ben: Sorry about that. Shakespeare's play A Winter Tale. JK Rowling has had to basically to teach everyone how to say her name. In Book 4, Her-my-o-nee with Krum. Her birth date is September 19th. She is Muggle-born. She's a "Mudblood." I don't really think she's a Mudblood.
Jamie: [gasps] Ben! Ben, how could you?
Ben: Oh, you guys. She has a cat named Crookshanks. Her hair is brown. And her eyes are brown, and her hair is really bushy.
Andrew: Oh, thanks for that.
Ben: Yeah, in case you haven't noticed.
Jamie: Cheers, Ben.
Micah: Are we talking about Hermione or the cat?
Ben: Hermioneee. Oooh. Okay.
Micah: I was being serious.
Jamie: Is this "Crimestoppers"?
Jamie: If you've seen this girl, call us.
Andrew: Brown and bushy hair.
Jamie: Brown and bushy hair.
Laura: Speaking of mispronouncing Hermione's name, I'm curious, how did everyone here pronounce it before the movie came out?
Jamie: I pronounced it "Hermione." Normal.
Andrew: I pronounced it "Her-mee-own."
Jamie: Oh my god!
Andrew: I really think that's how most people did it.
Laura: I said, I said "Hermone" like hormone except with an "e."
Jamie: Oh my...
[Laura and Ben laugh]
Ben: I...for me it was different because I got into the books after seeing the movies. So, it was...
Ben: ...I heard "Hermione," so when I read the book, I thought "Hermione." What about you, Micah?
Laura: Oh, you're just smarter than us.
Jamie: Clearly he is.
Micah: Yeah, same here. Yeah. I got in with the movies too. So...
Ben: Okay, so what role do you think Hermione is going to play in Book 7? That's the question everyone's dying to know.
Jamie: Oh yeah.
Laura: Well, I think it's fairly obvious that she, as well as Ron, are going to accompany Harry to the end as far as they can.
Andrew: Yeah, well no. She's going to be how she always has been in the past books. The brains, the one who actually spends the time researching the stuff that they do.
Laura: Of course.
Jamie: Although, although, we still haven't found out why she is in Gryffindor and why she isn't in Ravenclaw. Because if you remember, when she did the Protean Charm in Order of the Phoenix, and I think it was Ernie Macmillan that asked her why she wasn't put in Ravenclaw and why she was put in Gryffindor, she couldn't answer it. So, I think we're going to have to find out in Book 7 why she is. So, she's obviously going to do something brave and she has a very special relationship with Harry because there is absolutely no romance there, so she's going to there with him to the end, and she's going to fight with him to the end, and she's going to have to do something really brave. So I hope, I hope... Sorry, go on...
Ben: I was going to say, Jamie, do you think she will live to the end of Book 7 or is she going kick the bucket? Could that be the courage she displays?
Jamie: Oh, I hope not. I'm a really big believer in the really small hints that Jo puts in. So, I think in Prisoner of Azkaban where Ron was joking about how he was going to die, I hate to say it, but I think Ron is going to go and Hermione is going to live. Ohhh.
Laura: Yeah, me too, me too. It's so sad.
Andrew: In saving Ron? In trying to save Ron?
Ben: That could be.
Jamie: Perhaps, perhaps. Perhaps saving Ron. I don't know.
Andrew: Or perhaps, or perhaps Ron tries to save Hermione. Eh? Eh?
Jamie: And dies in the process.
Ben: The "PRO-cess." Listen to this Brit. Oh, we missed him.
Andrew: I missed him. I really did.
Jamie: Well, what would you call it? Ben, what would you call it? What would you call it? The procedure, mannn.
Ben: No, the process.
Andrew: The process.
Jamie: Oh the process. How the hell could you call it the process?
Ben: It's not the "PRO-cess."
Ben: Okay, but we're venturing off topic. I don't know. I could see Hermione dying because...
Ben: ...like Jamie said, she has to display some sort of courage in the books. And what I thought was really interesting was that in Book 1, Hermione basically went against all of her morals about, "Oh, school. I have to have straight A's. I can't break the rules."
Ben: And then she sort of ventured out on a limb when she went down into the Dungeon and all that stuff. And I thought that could have been a displayment of courage.
Laura: That's exactly what I think.
Ben: It doesn't have to be something bigger.
Laura: I think Hermione displayed so much...
Jamie: Well, I think it has to be bigger, but...
Laura: ...courage, but I think we're definitely going to see something that we wouldn't ordinarily expect.
Jamie: Yeah, definitely. I mean she has kind of half-showed it through the mini-ones like in the first book and in Order of the Phoenix when she was fighting in the Ministry of Magic, but I think it is going to have to culminate into one big act of bravery where she could save Ron or something.
Ben: And I've read...I've continually cited this fan fiction story that I've been reading, throughout the last show too, because it brought up a lot of good theories. And one is that towards the end of Half-Blood Prince, Harry is sort of starting to shun the people around him so to speak. "Ginny, I don't want to have anything to do with you. You're going to get killed. Ron, you're going to get killed. Hermione, you're going to get killed." You know?
Jamie: That's not shunning though. He's not shunning them.
Ben: Not shunning them, but he's sort of turning them away, in a way. Do you agree with that?
Jamie: But he has to do it. No, but he has to do it. I don't think he has a choice.
Ben: No, no, no. He can't do it though. Jamie, he can't do it because the reason he has thrived throughout the series so far is because of the friends he has had. And by turning them away, he starts to lose the power he has of love.
Laura: The thing is he's trying to make the choice for his friends as opposed to allowing them to make the choice for themselves whether they went to see him through to the end.
Jamie: Whether you believe in the prophecy then whether his friends are there or not, he, well depending on how you interpret the prophecy, if his friends are there or not, he would of still survived, since if people think that Voldemort is the only one that can kill him, then it wouldn't have mattered if he didn't have a wand because he would have had to survive some confrontations together.
Ben: No, no, Dumbledore pointed out at the end of Book 5 that the reason the prophecy comes true is because people involved in the prophecy want it to come true. Because some people have asked: Why couldn't Voldemort and Harry just say, "I don't want anything of it."
Jamie: Exactly. Yeah.
Ben: It's because, it's because, it's because the way that Voldemort is driven just by the part of the prophecy that he's heard.
Jamie: Yes. Exactly.
Ben: He's very selfish. He's very self-absorbed. And he has to have a way to...well, someone says this Potter boy is going to be my downfall. Well, that certainly isn't going to happen. And he keeps pursuing Harry. And Harry just can't keep running.
Ben: So, he's going to have to have a way to step up to the challenge, so to speak.
Jamie: Harry though... Harry... Sorry, go on.
Ben: No, go on Jamie.
Jamie: I was going to say Harry could pull out a gun, shoot himself in the head. No force would stop himself doing that. But he's not since he has to go over Voldemort. So, it's his choices that are causing him to pursue the prophecy.
Jamie: It's such a complicated area. It's just like time-travel. It's so hard to analyze.
Ben: Visit MuggleNet Section - Level Nine for more information.
Jamie: Yes, do you think I could plug Level Nine? It now includes Horcruxes as well. Like trying to delve into the mysteries of Harry Potter and analyze the really tough stuff.
Ben: That's mugglenet.com/levelnine. But before we move on, I want to hear what Micah Tannenbaum has to think about this. What do you think, Micah? What is Hermione's role at the end of the series?
Micah: Well, I think she's going to be instrumental in locating the Horcruxes. I think she has an important role to play there, like you guys were saying before. Because of her intelligence that once Harry sort of divulges all that information to her that she's going to be a big help in that respect.
Ben: Yeah, she's definitely the most clever of the three. And the reason I was saying that Harry needs people around him is basically for two reasons. First of all, because of love, because he has to love around him because that's the power he has the Dark Lord knows not. And second of all, the reason Harry needs all the others around him is because they all offer something to an extent, especially Hermione. Not Ron so much, but Hermione has done more reading than Harry has. She knows more about the magical world than Harry. And so, having Hermione around is very crucial because Hermione will be able to basically feed him information - say, well, "I know about this spell, this curse, this part about history, magical history." Don't you guys agree?
Laura: In a way, she is like a teacher to Harry, in a certain respect. So yes, that is quite important.
Ben: Jamie, do you have something to add?
Jamie: Well, I was going to say I don't think, I think Ron is more instrumental really. I can't remember which book and this is terrible, but...no, no, it was Goblet of Fire about he was saying how Harry was so pleased to be on speaking terms with Ron, that it really didn't matter what was happening with Hermione at that time. Ron has always been there with him, regardless of how many arguments they have had. If I had to choose one which would be there to the very end, it would be Ron, not Hermione. I think Hermione is going to be instrumental, but I think Ron is always going to be there by his side.
Ben: I think Hermione is more important than Ron. Sorry to all the Ron fans.
Jamie: Not to Harry.
Ben: It's not because I'm in love with Emma Watson.
Jamie: I think it could be, Ben. I think it could be.
Ben: I think Hermione is more important because she has more tact and is more witty and...
Laura: No, but you can't, you can't compare Ron and Hermione.
Ben: She's smarter than Ron. She's wittier than Ron.
Jamie: Brains are not that important, no.
Laura: They're not comparable. They're really not.
Jamie: Exactly. And Ben...
Ben: Why not? Why not? Why not?
Laura: They're complete opposites. You can't compare two things that are completely different.
Laura: You can't sit there and say that this is better than that when they have close to nothing in common. I mean really.
Jamie: And Ben, do you remember in the first film and in the books when Harry said how clever Hermione was when they're on the giant chessboard and she said, "Books, it doesn't really count. Friendship is all important."
Jamie: So, I don't really think it matters how many books Hermione has read.
Ben: Well, yes it does. Yes it does. Hear me out here. What I am trying to say is that the reason that the books matter is because - what's going to help him defeat Voldemort more? Having his friends? Or they both will. Well, I'm sort of back-tracking here. [laughs] Okay, I think that Ron and Hermione each serve their own purpose.
Jamie: They do. Yeah.
Ben: That Ron is there for the friend part and Hermione is there for the intellectual part. "Well, here's how we have to defeat Voldemort." Ron is there for, "I'm here for you buddy. Here's how I am going to help you with whatever Hermione comes up with."
Laura: But the thing is... Ben, the thing is we do see Hermione as a teacher-role type thing, and she does educate Harry to a certain extent, but seeing that the power that Harry has that Voldemort knows not is love, no one can teach Harry love. Harry has to learn it himself.
Micah: Yeah, I think that Hermione is more important in the lead-up to whatever is going to happen in the finale of Book 7. I don't really see her under pressure as the one who is going to make those split-second decisions.
Jamie: I agree.
Micah: The whole research and finding the Horcruxes and all that kind of stuff. She's important to that aspect of it, but once you get to having to make those quick decisions, I don't know if she can, how she really performs under pressure.
Laura: She'll see Harry through as far as she can...
Laura: ...but when it comes down to it, it's Harry. He's alone when it comes to defeating Voldemort.
Ben: I don't know, I don't know if we can look at it that way. I don't know if Harry looks at it, "Well, I'm alone when I do this." Then I don't he'll be able to do it.
Laura: No, no, no. I'm talking about the initial...
Ben: At the very end.
Laura: Yes, the initial defeat. No one...
Ben: Well, he has to kill him. He has to kill Voldemort. But...
Laura: Yes, exactly. No one else can do that for him.
Jamie: Oh, I don't know about that.
Laura: He has to do it himself.
Jamie: I donít know about that. I donít really buy the whole "they have to kill each other" thing. Iím sure there is something in the prophecy. I havenít studied it enough but, I just donít think itís as clear cut as that. Jo says you have to read it very, very closely. Obviously, I think it will come down to Harry and Voldemort killing each other because itís such a big build-up and itís been on the cards since Book 1, but Iím sure there are other forces at play here. But going back to the thing, about you know, whether Hermione is going to be there. Isnít it like what Harry said in Order of the Phoenix? It isnít about memorizing spells and standing there, firing them at Voldemort. Heís the only one thatís faced him so heís the only one who really knows how to defeat him, and in the end he knows what he has to do to defeat him. I donít think that Hermione realizes, all wrong, realizes what itís like to stand in front of him. Because, you know, people have feared him so long and only Harry knows what itís like to face with the prospect of death and duel with him. So, in the end I think it has to be Harry but obviously, as Laura said, theyíre all going to be right there until the very end.
Ben: I think thatís a good closing on that initial discussion. Is there any other points you guys want to raise about Hermione?
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