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["Hedwig's Theme" plays]
David Heyman: Hello this is David Heyman and I'm the producer of the Harry Potter films and this is MuggleCast.
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Andrew: Because Micah has it in for the Hufflepuffs, this is MuggleCast Episode 212 for November 1st, 2010.
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Andrew: Welcome everyone - MuggleCast Episode 212. Eric, Micah and me are here this week to tell you about Harry Potter. What's going on in the wizarding world? There's obviously a lot going on with the movie just a couple weeks away, and we're here to give you our thoughts in a timely, efficient, and hopefully humorous manner.
Eric: Who's that, Andrew?
Andrew: Eric, actually I have a bone to pick. Well, since it is technically our Halloween episode we should probably mention your Halloween costume this year.
Eric: Oh no.
Andrew: I think it stole the show. If anyone's friends with Eric on Facebook - I mean who isn't, really - you'll see a whole album of photos of Eric dressed up as a Hogwarts student.
Andrew: A female Hogwarts student.
Eric: Pansy Parkinson.
Andrew: Complete with a corsage.
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Eric: A corsage is...
Andrew: Is a corsage a flower?
Eric: A flower. Yeah. It's a corset and yeah, it's Pansy Parkinson was the objective there.
Andrew: Ah, well you make a great Pansy.
Eric: Well, thank you!
Andrew: Yes. I was kind of weirded out by it. I don't know.
Andrew: I wouldn't do a female Hogwarts student. But you were at a Harry Potter meet-up group, so that's cool.
Eric: Yeah, it was kind of a Halloween - Harry Potter themed Halloween party. I think my mom must have seen those pictures, because I haven't heard from her in a few days. So I don't know what the deal is, but yeah, that's - that album is public on Facebook, so...
Micah: Your mom's on Facebook?
Eric: Yeah, my mom's on Facebook.
Andrew: My mom's on Facebook.
Micah: I was disappointed, I didn't get a chance to meet her in Orlando.
Eric: Yeah, that was upsetting. She was there.
Andrew: That's kinda weird too, that you would want to do that.
[Eric and Micah laugh]
Andrew: But anyway, let's get into some - let's get this show started. I'm Andrew Sims.
Eric: I'm Eric Scull.
Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
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Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum, before you set up your date with Eric's mother, why don't you let us know what's going on in the news?
Micah: Well, as you mentioned earlier, Andrew, there's a lot going on. We're just weeks away from Deathly Hallows: Part I, and Warner Bros. has been just churning that P.R. machine, and they released what I call an endless supply of TV spots. And we've all seen them. I'm sure most of our listeners have seen them by this point. And I really want to know, are they revealing too much of this film?
Andrew: [laughs] Stop! Listen. Come on...
Micah: Eric, can you recreate the film, frame by frame...
Micah: ...now with what you've seen having gone...
Micah: ...to the preview...
Micah: ...or the screening? You probably can sit down on your computer, load up some program, and just go and piece all these different TV spots and trailers together. You don't even have to pay the money to go to the movie theater!
Eric: Right, and here's why. Here's why you can do that. The only thing that they haven't released in TV spots are the transitory, dead silence moments where characters are walking from one place to another or the camera's, you know, moving from one thing to another. Those are the only things that you'll need to - I mean, that's worth the price of a movie ticket, to see those intermediary scenes. But if you're the kind of moviegoer that just wants the dialogue, all the dialogue that's in the film is in these TV spots. Absolutely, 100 percent.
Andrew: I completely disagree with that. Most of the TV spots have a lot of the same clips. They share a lot of the same clips. I think the TV spots were very good in that they didn't show too much, because they are so repetitive. They are - and they picked out some pretty funny moments. I guess there was a nice balance of funny and dark stuff. We got a couple new looks at Dobby, which was really nice. We got - we do have a lot of "Seven Potters" footage. I will say that.
Eric: Yeah, I mean that's my point too - like, "a couple of shots of Dobby?" Well, how many shots do you think there are in the film of Dobby?
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah...
Eric: I think I wrote down months and months ago when we saw the film, "not much of Dobby." It's more than there has been for sure, but you look at a couple different camera angles and that's all that Dobby's in the film. And the "Seven Potters" especially. That's the TV spot I watched with Dan Radcliffe in a bra as Fleur, or whatever. Like, I can't...
Eric: ...believe that they showed that! That's ridiculous, because it's such a good thing to see in the movie. They just shouldn't have revealed that. Now you can just go on YouTube and search it now and see it. It detracts from the movie experience.
Andrew: Is that what inspired you to dress up as a woman for Halloween?
Eric: Yeah, I saw Dan do it and said I could do it better. And then I did.
Andrew: You and him do musicals; you dress up as women together; you do everything together!
Eric: We're going to do a one-man play - actually, a two-man play. But we're going to be the opposites - Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Look for that on the West End in 2012.
Andrew: Doesn't sound appealing to me.
Andrew: Micah, what else is going on in the news?
Micah: Well, I wanted to touch on something that you guys said, which was the humorous side of it. Do you think they're painting this film as being a little bit too funny? They had a lot of comedy in Half-Blood Prince, but with Deathly Hallows: Part I, I think this is supposed to be a little bit more serious. And we've seen a number of different bits of comedy. You mentioned the "Seven Potters"; there's a couple lines from Mad-Eye Moody; there's a couple lines from Dobby; there's a couple lines from George. So, is it a little bit too funny? This is supposed to be the finale of the films. It's supposed to be the darkest film yet, as we progress. That's always the line that we hear. You think maybe they were afraid if they didn't show a little bit of the lighter side people might not be as interested? Maybe not the average Harry Potter fan or the average movie-goer wouldn't be interested as much?
Andrew: I think so. Because that's what they do! If you see any movie trailer or any commercial, there's always some funny bits. Usually if it's a comedy film, but for a fantasy film like Harry Potter they try to bring the 'lols'. Eric, would you say the film brings some 'lols'? Other than the "Seven Potters" stuff, I mean, that seems pretty apparent.
Eric: Wait, the film or the trailer?
Andrew: No, the film overall. Since you have seen it.
Eric: No. I'm...
Andrew: It doesn't bring the 'lols'?
Eric: It doesn't bring the 'lols'. Okay, there are very few scenes such as when the trio transforms into the Ministry officials. That sort of thing is funny. But I'm actually surprised that they found this many humorous moments, dialogue and all of that, for these TV spots. Because the film is not funny. It's not as funny as the past films have been, and I like it for that reason. But, I think it has to do with what the audience expects, because you can't make this trailer with this exciting music if there's like a dramatic scene. And very few trailers, even of drama films, are going to show just drama scenes. They're going to show heart-warming things of drama, and relationships and characters interacting because that's what trailers do.
Andrew: Do the TV spots make you want to see the film?
Micah: Well, I...
Eric: They make me feel like I...
Micah: That's a hard - that's a hard question.
Eric: They make me feel like I've seen it.
Eric: Although I also have seen it, so I can't answer that. [laughs]
Andrew: Let's move on...
Andrew: I mean - this happens with every film.
Eric: But I agree with that, Micah.
Eric: I agree with everything you said.
Micah: Well, thank you, Eric. But...
Andrew: Micah's never satisfied.
Micah: [laughs] No, I am! Look, I'm playing devil's advocate here.
Andrew: If there's too little, we hear the complaints! If there's too much, we hear the complaints!
Micah: At least there's not a million pictures this time, okay? They've limited that.
Eric: Yeah. Wow, they're doing something right.
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Micah: Well, we did get some samples from the Deathly Hallows: Part I soundtrack, and, Andrew I know you have some of those cued up. We wanted to talk about this. They were released on - Amazon.uk?
Eric: Co.uk, yeah.
Micah: "Co," sorry, left out the "co." But you could always go to MuggleNet, just click the link.
Micah: That wasn't a shameless plug or anything.
Eric: [laughs] If you're URL-impaired.
Micah: First of all, I guess let's play them, and then we'll kind of give our overall thoughts.
Andrew: Well - okay, so we'll - which ones do you want to listen to?
Eric: Well, what are the ones that you said...
Andrew: And we don't have to play them all.
Eric: Okay, in the news post on MuggleNet, you were like, "We strongly think that these few...
Andrew: Oh, yeah.
Eric: ...are of [laughs] importance."
Andrew: Okay, well, here's one. This is "Farewell to Dobby." This is, of course...
Andrew: ...when Dobby dies, you'll be hearing this.
["Farewell to Dobby" plays]
Andrew: It's very sad.
["Farewell to Dobby" continues]
Andrew: Makes me want to cry. So, it's very slow. I think it's very - it'll be very moving when that's matched up to when Harry buries...
Eric: Well, play - compare that to "Dobby"- just the one titled "Dobby." Can you play that?
Andrew: Okay. And here's "Dobby," when he's alive. This is what it'll sound like.
Andrew: It's kind of - what's the word?
Micah: Bouncy? [laughs]
Andrew: Bouncy. I think it fits Dobby well. Do you guys - would you guys agree?
Eric: I love this. This is going to be - I think this is - the standout new theme is going to be "Dobby."
Andrew: Yeah. I like it. I like it. Some others I thought were good - "Snape to Malfoy Manor." This is very - this is a very large, very large sound.
["Snape to Malfoy Manor" plays]
Andrew: [laughs] It's got an epic and eerie feel to it.
["Snape to Malfoy Manor" plays]
Andrew: Do you guys like that one?
Micah: Yeah. Is that - that's at the beginning of the movie too?
Micah: It sounds like it's at the beginning. You get that feeling.
Andrew: Well, there is one track before it.
Micah: Oh, is there?
Andrew: The one track before it is "Oblivion."
Eric: Yeah, I don't think these are in order, though. Like -
Andrew: No, they are.
Eric: They're in a sense of order but track 18 is "Hermione's Parents." And you know, that's at the beginning of the film.
Andrew: Oh, that's true. Well, maybe...
Andrew: Well, maybe "Obliviate" is at the beginning and Hermione obliviates her parent's minds right?
Eric: Oh, right. Right. Right. Right. So, I wonder...
Andrew: So that's where that fits in right?
Eric: I wonder where the deal is -
Andrew: Maybe Hermione's - "Hermione's Parents" - the song "Hermione's Parents," is when Hermione's talking about her parents. [laughs]
Eric: [laughs] I guess.
Andrew: Here - how about we have two "Ron" ones. This first one is "Ron Leaves."
["Ron Leaves" plays]
Andrew: It's actually more sad than when Dobby dies I think.
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
["Ron Leaves" continues]
Andrew: This must be what's going on in Hermione's head.
["Ron Leaves" continues]
["Ron Leaves" continues]
Andrew: It's actually one of the saddest things I ever heard. And then there's "Ron's Speech," later on.
["Ron's Speech" plays]
Andrew: Sort of inspiring. Sort of like, "Oh okay. Things will get better."
["Ron's Speech" continues]
Andrew: I would assume it's sort of a Part Two to "Ron Leaves." Because "Ron's Speech" would be when he returns of course.
Andrew: And then...
Eric: Play "The Deathly..."
Micah: How about "Destroying the Locket"?
Andrew: "Destroying the Locket." Okay. This is right before "Ron's Speech."
["Destroying the Locket" plays]
Andrew: This must be when he's thinking of doing it or something? That's okay. Some people were saying in the MuggleNet comments that these samples - the soundtrack overall, it doesn't have as whimsical of a feel. I guess you would say. Compared to the other Harry Potter films. Especially John Williams' work.
Micah: Yeah, well, that's interesting. That's what the first tweet there says, from peculiarways:
"I'm not hearing the John Williams original themes that Desplat said he would incorporate. Probably to early to say."
This is a darker film.
Eric: Yeah. You're not going to...
Micah: This is it. This is the final battle, essentially, this final piece of the franchise. It's not supposed to be happy-go-lucky, whimsical. It's supposed to be dark.
Eric: I listened to the first ten or so samples of this score and one of the things that struck me immediately was the use of the instruments. It just seems like Desplat really commands the use of instruments to create different emotions, but what also struck me was that none of the instruments stood out as being a character. Like John Williams' film, the score is a character. And things on screen, such as owls landing on Privet Drive are sort of the background to what is playing as far as music goes. Well, now we've progressed where these movies are actually films - cinematic pieces of art and the music is simply supplementing what is actually going on in the scene. I think it's just an evolution. It doesn't - it's way too early to say, "Oh, he didn't incorporate any John Williams like he said he would." That's a little too early, I feel, because Desplat - I believe Desplat when he said he really wanted to get back to basics.
Micah: And "Hedwig's Theme" will be in there, but it doesn't make sense to have a sample of that because we've all heard it a million times over already anyway.
Andrew: Yeah, and these are 30-second samples. There's a lot more to each of these songs.
Micah: Oh, of course.
Andrew: I mean, some of these songs are up to six minutes long. The final track is "The Elder Wand," which, of course, would suggest what we've already been reporting - that the movie will be split when Voldemort takes control of the Elder Wand. So, just to wrap up this news bit, let's listen to "The Elder Wand."
["The Elder Wand" plays]
Eric: This is the music that...
Andrew: I feel like I'm...
Eric: Yeah, what?
Andrew: I feel like this is out of Survivor, the reality show.
Eric: [laughs] This is where everybody in the audience is wondering why Dumbledore's grave/tombstone came from Ikea.
[Andrew and Micah laugh]
Eric: Like, "But isn't that...? Eh. How's it...? Okay."
["The Elder Wand" ends]
Andrew: So, that was the little sample.
Andrew: It's only - the entire song, "The Elder Wand," is a minute and a half.
Eric: That was a third of it right there.
Eric: Can you play - I'm sorry. I know you said that was the last one, but can you play the one called "The Deathly Hallows"? I'm pretty sure that's going to be playing during the "Three Brothers" scene.
Andrew: Absolutely. MuggleCast Live! Coming up next, "The Deathly Hollows!"
["The Deathly Hallows" plays]
Eric: Hallows! You still can't say it right.
Eric: Backstory, the third brother...
["The Deathly Hallows" ends]
Micah: I could definitely see Hermione doing a voice over to that. Reading The Tale of the Three Brothers.
Eric: The third brother greeted Death as an old friend and together they crossed into the abyss.
Micah: All right, just a couple more tweets. Because we did ask people, with this limited bit of music, to rate Alexandre Desplat. crestsofwaves said:
"I rate Desplat an eight point five for being consistent, but imaginative."
jimmyqex says: "On Desplat: The excitement and magic in "Sky Battle" is great. The hopeful uncertainty of "The Burrow" is wondrous. "Dobby" equals fun, nine out of ten."
And WhatTheGrace: "I rated Desplat nine out of ten. He is the reason why I started listening to movie scores, after "New Moon" and "Benjamin Button," the rest was history."
Andrew: Yeah, his scores are good. One other one he did recently was Fantastic Mr. Fox. I think that is the name of it.
Eric: Oh yeah.
Andrew: And that one is really good. I've haven't seen the movie. Actually, I have it waiting for me. But, I've heard some samples from the soundtrack and it's good. He really cares, I think he's a good composer. So, look forward to seeing his score. What else is going on in the news, Micah?
Micah: All right, Eric alluded to this before, and we do have a run time for the film. It's a little bit conflicting, depending on where you read it. IMAX was reporting, I think it was...
Micah: 1:47, and then the BBFC was reporting right around 1:45. So, it's not that drastic of a difference...
Micah: The movie is going to be somewhere in that range...
Micah: But, regardless it does make it the third shortest film. Whether it's 1:45 or 1:47, or somewhere in between, it is the third shortest film, to date.
Andrew: I wrote the headline like that to get people talking...
Micah: You're a smart business man, Andrew.
Andrew: With the final film. Well maybe - come to think of it I take that back. I was going to say that the final film needs to be the longest. But, really it doesn't. I mean, there's no point really to make it the longest. I was just, sort of, saying that just to start. [laughs]
Eric: You're stirring [bleep] up. Ok, so I read that, on MuggleNet, and I was like, ok a hundred forty-seven minutes that sounds amazing. Then, you said it's the third shortest film ever. And then I was second guessing my initial appraisal of it...
Eric: I was like wait a minute it is the third shortest. Now how do I feel about it? Oh crap, oh Andrew got me thinking.
Micah: So it puts it just shy of two-and-a-half hours.
Eric: But that's two-and-a-half hours.
Andrew: It's two-and-a-half hours, that's a long time.
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