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Chapter-by-Chapter: "The Weighing of the Wands"

Andrew: And that brings us to Chapter 18, "The Weighing of the Wands."

Eric: "Weighing of the Wands." Harry wakes up and Ron's gone. Ron already went down to breakfast. He didn't even wake Harry. He didn't say "Harry, get up." It's not like he kicked him or anything like that. Ron's just gone. So Harry wakes up, he's alone in the Gryffindor common room, and he has to go down into the common room. Of course, the common room breaks out in applause. Everybody's still really happy about Harry being the champion and Harry again just doesn't like the attention. He's dreading going down to the Great Hall because he knows that Ron is upset with him, and he doesn't want even more people cheering him on or asking how he did it and he just doesn't want the attention. This is something - it's a renewing character trait with Harry, where he doesn't want the attention he's getting and he doesn't...

Andrew: It's kind of interesting that everyone is applauding him for something they don't really even know much about.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: It's kind of ominous. They don't know what the first task is...

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: They don't know what any of the tasks are going to be. It seems - I don't know...

Eric: Well, you're saying people shouldn't be excited about this new tournament then? Or...

Andrew: No, I'm saying people should be a little more concerned for Harry instead of being excited that he's going to be, you know, their entertainment for the next few months.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: It's just...

Eric: Maybe they feel like...

Andrew: It's a...

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: It's kind of thoughtless...

Eric: Maybe they feel like Micah does...

Micah: Well, he's really their entertainment for seven years.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Maybe they feel like Micah does, you know. He's survived this far. He's got a pretty good track record, but yeah. So anyway, Harry leaves the common room to go down and get breakfast. Fortunately, Hermione is right there and she already has brought toast up for Harry and says "Lets take a walk." I thought this was a really nice moment in the books. Harry and Hermione take a walk, they do walk along the lake and she's brought toast up from the Great Hall. This is just good insight into Harry's character from Hermione. You know, she's being - she's being a good friend, and this is played out in contrast to Ron and how he's behaving.

Andrew: Yes.

Micah: I agree.

Eric: Anyway, Hermione tries to convince Harry while they are walking to write to Sirius. [Harry] doesn't want to do that and she's worried, you know, obviously just for his safety, but he doesn't want anymore attention, et cetera, et cetera, and Hermione makes an interesting comment. She says that Harry is "in half the books about You-Know-Who already" while they are talking about him being popular and getting attention. She says she doesn't want to - she thinks there's a write-up already in the Goblet - in the Daily Prophet probably. But half the books about You-Know-Who, doesn't that number seem low to you guys?

Andrew: Well, I was thinking maybe those books are outdated.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: That's the only thing I can think of. They were probably written...

Micah: There are probably books about his rise to power or something like that.

Eric: But okay, so my - I guess my point was many people seem to be ignorant of Voldemort, or like who he was before he was Voldemort and - you know, surely a lot of the subject matter is going to be about his downfall and therefore have Harry Potter. I just think the number of Harry being "in half the books about You-Know-Who" suggests that there are a whole another half of books about You-Know-Who that don't have Harry Potter in them. What would they be about if people don't in fact know that Voldemort used to be a man named Tom Riddle? If people don't in fact know that Voldemort is a direct descendent of Slytherin and - you know, what I'm saying is the knowledge should be out there that would enable other people to eventually find the Horcruxes or at least know the Gaunt family and that sort of thing.

Micah: Yeah, but I think probably those books are about his - as I said before - his rise to power, you know. Maybe once he became Voldemort - forget about Tom Riddle, very few people know about that. I think it was probably from whenever he first started gaining a following and gaining power up to the point of when that First War took place. I mean, you could write a book on that prior to whatever happened with the Potters.

Eric: Mhm.

Micah: You know, maybe you create a second edition or a third edition, whatever it might be, but there could definitely be books out there about him and about what he did and things that he did prior to what happened on the night that he went to Godric's Hollow. So, I think that there's definitely books out there about him that have no mention of Harry Potter. You know, think if you're like a Borgin or Burke. You write a book about Voldemort as he's rising to power and how powerful he is.

Eric: That's true.

Micah: Obviously Harry hasn't even been conceived at this point yet.

Eric: Yeah, didn't Voldemort have like a seven-year reign or something like that where he was terrorizing people for quite some time?

Micah: Yeah, I'm sure.

Eric: I mean, it's called the First War, you know, so...

Micah: Yeah. Absolutely.

Eric: Yeah, I do suppose you're very right on that. And I guess my point was, too, that Hermione is probably not exaggerating when she says "You're in half the books." I feel like Hermione is pretty reliable, that he is probably in half those books, that we aren't supposed to take that to mean that it's just any number of books. So, I don't know, anyway. Okay, so the next comment we talked about earlier in this discussion, so we'll be brief. But there's a quote in the books and it's talking about everybody giving Harry crap because it seems like - or now it really is that the whole school is against Harry. They either think he cheated, or the Hufflepuffs in particular think that he's trying to take the glory away from Cedric. So here's the quote from the book. Jo writes,

"The Hufflepuffs, who were usually on excellent terms with the Gryffindors, had turned remarkably cold toward the whole lot of them. It was plain that the Hufflepuffs felt that Harry had stolen their champion's glory; a feeling exacerbated, perhaps, by the fact that Hufflepuff House very rarely got any glory, and that Cedric was one of the few who had ever given them any, having beaten Gryffindor once at Quidditch."

This is perhaps the biggest insight into the mindset of the Hufflepuffs like ever in the series, so it's interesting that Jo acknowledges this because she's trying to explain why even the Hufflepuffs turn against him. But did you guys have any thoughts on this, like...

Micah: Yeah...

Eric: all?

Micah: But shouldn't they know to believe Harry by this point? I mean, you look what happened in Chamber of Secrets, when they thought that he was responsible for what happened to Justin Finch-Fletchley. And, you know, they were all talking behind his back - Hannah Abbott, Ernie Macmillan, there's that scene in Chamber of Secrets - and it ends up being that Harry's the one not responsible for any of this. So, it's just - they should know by this point that usually the accusations that were made against Harry - the Heir of Slytherin thing, and now this, putting his name in the Goblet of Fire - usually don't end up being true. But I can understand the animosity because as we said before, Cedric is their House and is representative of their House, so they have every right to be ticked off that there's somebody who's clearly more well-known than him, has sort of overshadowed him now and taken away this glory. Think about rivalries that exist between schools, or even within schools, or within districts, you know. I mean, it's kind of the same thing. In my opinion, anyway.

Andrew: Right. Then - no, I think the large majority of this comes from the animosity about stealing Cedric's thunder.

Eric: Mhm. All right. Of course, everybody is upset with Harry, even Draco, and Draco has this throwaway line. He's insulting Harry, and he says that, "Half the Triwizard champions have died." And I thought that was interesting. It's another moment in this chapter where a character says half of something, but if that's true, then that's pretty - that is pretty high odds. I know we talked about how safe the Triwizard Tournament is or isn't, but if half the champions have died in the past, maybe they really should have re-thought holding this tournament, because half is pretty high odds, and by the end of this book, almost half the champions have died again.

Micah: Well, I think it's Dumbledore's personality shining through again. He's a big risk-taker. The whole reason I think he's doing this is to bring everybody together for that final battle in Deathly Hallows, you know, to sort of unite, not just these three schools, but to unite Hogwarts as a whole. This is the beginning of all of that taking place, and that's sort of his plan being put into action very early on. So, it is a huge risk that he's taking, obviously, and he's putting people's lives in danger, but it wouldn't be the first time. I mean, certainly these are not the first people he's put in harm's way.

Andrew: And it's a tradition, it's a very large tradition. I mean this is a very epic event, everyone's been talking about it. We've seen people talking about it since the beginning of the book because it's so exciting to them.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: I don't know at the end of the day what it really proves or does for anything in the wizarding world, but it's a very well respected event.

Eric: I guess so, or feared. But moving on, Malfoy and Harry do end up dueling. They're sitting outside of Potions waiting for Snape and Harry casts a spell on Malfoy that is not Expelliarmus, which I thought...

Andrew: [sings] Hallelujah!

Eric: [laughs] He casts Furnunculus which causes boils to appear on Goyle's face, and Malfoy's spell was Densaugeo which causes...

Andrew: Those are two very funny words.

Eric: Yeah, funny words, spells never seen again as far as I recall, and very, very interesting where they pick up these spells. Of course Malfoy's spell hits Hermione and makes her teeth grow abnormally large. [laughs] It's just very interesting that Harry casts something that's not Expelliarmus. I thought that was worth noting. Moving on, Colin Creevey saves the day...

Micah: Well, can I just throw in one thing here?

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: The thing you left out is what happens when Snape arrives.

Eric: Yeah, that was a point I cut for the interest of time. But...

Micah: But I think it's important because it shows Snape being a complete ass. And if you think about what would happen to a teacher in this day and age for doing something like that, he would be sent packing to insult a student that way, to basically have enlarged teeth. Think of a comparison, you know, say somebody gets hit in the face with something and the teacher turns around and says, "Oh, I don't see that much of a difference."

Eric: Yeah, I mean Hermione is very upset with this, and Snape, he says, "I don't notice a difference." That's irresponsible. That's completely - it's horrible, is what it is.

Micah: Yeah. It's a terrible thing.

Eric: Anyway, so they're in the Potions lesson. Harry is sure that Snape is about to poison him because they're testing antidotes and Snape is, I don't know, eyeing him funny. Fortunately, Colin Creevey shows up in the Potions room and says Harry needs to go and be excused because he's needed upstairs. Snape objects (Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh), but Colin says "Oh, it's for the wand weighing ceremony." And this is something Harry didn't know about. I'm wondering why nobody either scheduled the wand weighing ceremony at another time that wasn't during Potions, or why Harry didn't know to expect this wand weighing ceremony. This is the first time Harry heard of this. What is this?

Micah: This is...

Andrew: There's not much organization at Hogwarts.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: So for something like this to happen is completely normal and expected.

Eric: Didn't you get the memo?

Micah: Well, I think part of this though, too is to really just increase the hatred towards Harry. Oh, look at him, he's able to get out of class so he can...

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: ...go and participate in this special event. It pisses Ron off to no end. It's just to set up those types of plot points, I think.

Eric: Yeah, that's a good point. Moving on. So, he goes upstairs, Rita Skeeter's up there with her photographer who is Zobo or Bonzo in the movie. She gets Harry alone and we meet the Quick Quotes Quill. [laughs] Fortunately, he is rescued by Dumbledore, and just before that happens, or when that happens, there are some weird descriptors that Jo uses for Rita. And I am going to quote from the book.

"Harry noticed that her quill and the parchment had suddenly vanished from the box of Magical Mess Remover, and Rita's clawed fingers were hastily snapping shut the clasp of her crocodile-skin bag. 'How are you?' she said, standing up and holding out one of her large, mannish hands to Dumbledore."

Mannish hands, she's not - Jo isn't talking about me in my Halloween costume here. She's talking about Rita Skeeter. Clawed...

Andrew: Man hands.

Eric: Clawed man hands.

Micah: [laughs] She's got man hands.

Eric: What's the deal? What is the purpose of this?

Andrew: That's sometimes what - that's - the purpose of it is to describe Rita as a larger than life figure. [laughs] No, I...

Eric: Ugly? Is Rita ugly?

Andrew: Yeah. See, I'm afraid to say anything to offend, to be offensive. I feel like man hands is a sort of - it is a sort of derogatory - I know she doesn't use the word "man hands", but that is basically what she is saying. It's derogatory.

Eric: Is it?

Andrew: It's to make her seem like a man.

Eric: Well, she's not - it just means not feminine, right? I mean, the kind of...

Andrew: Yeah, partly, yeah.

Eric: So, I mean she's kind of like a vulture. I guess there are more vulture allegories. Like clawed hands, for instance. I guess that probably just fits her character.

Micah: Which is the complete opposite of Miranda Richardson in the Goblet of Fire film, but...

Eric: Mmm, do you think so?

Andrew: She's not manly.

Eric: No, she... [laughs]

Micah: No, she's definitely not.

Eric: No, she's not manly, but she is - but she knows what she wants and, I guess, uses different ways to get it. It's just - it was a weird descriptor. Okay, so Ollivander is in and he weighs everybody's wands. I don't know what the purpose is. I guess - he says the purpose is to make sure that their wands are all functional. Really, I think Ollivander doesn't have a lot to do when it is not school season, so he just...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: ...looks for these...

Andrew: Probably.

Eric: ...excuses [laughs] to go around. He finds out that - or he says - we find out reading the book that Fleur's wand is actually made of Veela hair. She says it is her grandmother's and Harry reminds himself to tell Ron about that, that she is Veela, but remembers Ron isn't speaking to him. Ollivander says, "I've never used Veela hair myself, of course. I find it makes for rather temperamental wands," and I thought this was funny because...

Andrew: That is funny and I wonder what other types of hair would - what effects they would...

Eric: Yeah!

Andrew: ...have, like...

Eric: Like - that is very interesting.

Andrew: I mean, I can't think of any examples on the spot, but maybe like a giant's hair... [laughs]

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: ...or a half-giant's hair.

Eric: [laughs] Half a...

Andrew: I don't - that would make someone clumsy maybe...

Eric: Your spells are magnified.

Andrew: ...or make the spells clumsy.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, the spells bigger, who knows?

Eric: [laughs] So, Cedric's wand contains a single hair, quote: "From the tail of a particularly fine male unicorn." [laughs] Then Ollivander says, "Must have been seventeen hands, nearly gored me with his horn after I plucked his tail." So I guess that means that Ollivander physically goes out and gets, acquires, procures the unicorn hair, phoenix tail feathers and dragon heartstrings that make up the core of his wands.

Andrew: Yeah, that's pretty cool. So that explains what he's doing when school - when people aren't shopping for wands.

Eric: I guess so. He's going out and making them.

Andrew: Closes down and goes wand hunting.

Eric: Well, [laughs] I wrote here that it sounds like he shouldn't be kidnappable.

Andrew: Because he is so experienced out on the field?

Eric: Because he can get - he can pluck a tail feather off a unicorn and not get gored. It just sounds like - I don't know. I don't know. It was funny. But all right, so Ron is still not talking with Harry when he gets back. He just says, "Harry, you got a letter," and Harry reads the letters from Sirius. Harry did end up writing to Sirius. I don't know if I wrote that. He kind of summarizes things. But Sirius wants to meet Harry face-to-face at 1:00 A.M. on the 22nd of November. Now I looked this up because I have been a big supporter, or actually the opposite of a supporter. I don't like this timeline that people have established saying that Book 4 is in 1994. And I looked it up and sure enough - I mean, I think eventually Jo gave in and was, like, "Sure, Book 4 is 1994." But the 22nd of November is a Tuesday so if we go by canon here, Sirius wants to meet Harry face-to-face at 1:00 A.M. on Tuesday night. And I say, that is a school night, Sirius is officially a bad role model for Harry.

Andrew: Well, it's not like Harry - well, we don't know for sure, but I presume they're not going to bed early every night or anything. I don't think Sirius is really damaging him.

Micah: Well, do you...

Andrew: And plus, that is the best time because nobody is in the common room. I mean, sure - and on a weekend night people may be up at 1:00 AM in the common room. So...

Micah: Yep, yep.

Eric: So...

Micah: I agree.

Eric: ...that concludes the chapter.

Listener Tweet: Interrogation

Andrew: So, that is it. We have one tweet here from Liz_Anne_B. She has a question about these chapters:

"Why does Dumbledore interrogate Harry, asking if another student put his name in the Goblet and not ask about non-students?"

Eric: Is this a book question...

Andrew: I think...

Eric: ...or is this a movie question? Because...

Andrew: Book, book...

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: I think the reason would be that Dumbledore just assumes he is working with other students. I mean, unless it was Sirius I don't think Dumbledore would assume any other possible non-student that would do it for Harry.

Micah: Yeah, there is nobody there. I mean, Lupin is gone. I mean, he would probably be the only one. I mean, he is not going to ask McGonagall to do it for him. Or Moody who has just gotten there wouldn't be a candidate. [laughs] Snape sure as hell wouldn't be putting it in for him. So I mean, I guess it doesn't - from a plot standpoint it doesn't make sense, but I think overall we kind of talked about it. I think Dumbledore really botched this whole thing. I think there should have been a huge investigation other than just saying, "Well, there is a binding magical contract and the kid has to do it." That seems so irresponsible.

Eric: Yeah, it undermines everything that he is trying to do with bringing everybody together if he can be controlled the way he is in this book. But that reminds me of a question: okay, doesn't Snape threaten to use Veritaserum on Harry in this book? Veritaserum shows up later when they use it on Barty Crouch Jr.

Andrew: That would have been helpful here.

Eric: Yeah. Well like I'm saying, it's very, very easy - very simplistic - to find out if Harry put his name in the Goblet of Fire and clear his name because the last thing any student needs - I think - okay, on one hand Dumbledore doesn't want to torture Harry and be - give him any kind of substance that is going to force him to tell the truth, heaven forbid somebody ask him what he does with himself at night and he has to answer. But I feel like it would have cleared Harry's name and would have prevented him from a lot of hatred.

Micah: It would have cleared his name, but I don't think it would have made a difference though. I think he would still have to compete in the tournament and that is what it comes down to. I think a majority of people in that room, maybe with Karkaroff and Madame Maxime aside, believe that he didn't put his name in there. I mean, I don't think Dumbledore does, I don't think McGonagall does, and...

Eric: Well, I'm talking about...

Micah: ...Moody definitely doesn't.

Eric: Yeah. I'm talking about Harry's peers though because you've got this situation where, sure, he has to compete...

Micah: What? Are you going to put him on display in front of the Great Hall [laughs] and...

Eric: With Veritaserum?

Micah: ...give him Veritaserum?

Eric: Maybe not. But I'm saying - look - I mean, Harry now has to - it's not only being the youngest champion and still having to do the tournament no matter what. It is - in addition to that is the crap he has to go through in classes for the stupid reason that people think he put his name in. It doesn't matter if they ever find out who really did it because they will anyway through the natural course of time, but I feel like that would have been one of the ways that we know is in this book, is introduced maybe a little further along. But it would have really helped Harry out given all that Harry is doing for Dumbledore and has to do for Dumbledore in the future if at this point Dumbledore counts on Harry to defeat Voldemort one day.

Andrew: All right...

Eric: Dumbledore could have outstretched one of his painted hands a little bit further there.

Muggle Mail: The Imperius Curse

Andrew: Let's get to Muggle Mail now. This first one is from Nicole Shields, 26, of Columbia, Missouri. She writes about the Imperius Curse:

"I just want to make sure the point that one can leave the side of a person under the Imperius Curse. For example, in 'Half-Blood Prince', Malfoy doesn't spend every moment with Rosmerta who he has under the Imperius Curse. He places the curse and then stays in the castle controlling her from there. Also in Book 7, Yaxley in Chapter 1, page 5, American edition, says that he has placed the Imperius Curse on Pius Thicknesse. Since..."

[laughs] She spelt it 'Thickness'.

[Eric and Micah laugh]


"Since Thickness isn't sitting with them at Malfoy Manor, I think it's safe to assume that it is still in effect despite the distance from the caster."

So, here is our answer for that.

Eric: Yeah. That's kind of weird how that happens because I feel like with any spell you should have to make eye contact, but it's canon.

Micah: Well, yeah. I mean, I think you also look at the fact that Barty Crouch, Sr. - he eventually stopped showing up at work but he is still going to work at this point in the book and clearly is under the Imperius Curse from Peter Pettigrew, so it has to be able to work from a distance.

Muggle Mail: Dumbledore's Approval

Andrew: Next e-mail is from Lucinda, 53, of Virginia. She writes:

"Just wondering why you think Moody/Barty Crouch was telling the truth when he tells the class Dumbledore thinks they are ready to know about the Unforgivable Curses or agreed they should experience the Imperius Curse. I think he used Dumbledore's name to keep the students from questioning his teaching these curses. Love the discussions, especially while I'm re-reading the books before the next movie comes out."

Micah: I think Dumbledore would have found out though, eventually. I mean...

Eric: Oh easily.

Micah:'s okay for Moody to use his name, but I think that it's not like it's going on without Dumbledore's knowledge.

Andrew: Yeah, I don't think Dumbledore - Dumbledore can be a little screwy but when it comes to what's going on in the classes, I don't think he misses a beat.

Eric: Well - did you guys cover this question last week? Why now are they learning the Unforgivable Curses?

Micah: Yeah, we talked about that.

Andrew: Yeah, we did. We talked a lot about that actually.

Eric: Okay, I'll just...

Andrew: So...

Eric: ...listen to the last episode.

Andrew: Do do that. Eric, you want to read the next e-mail?

Muggle Mail: Moody's Defense

Eric: Yeah. This one is from Karla, 33, of Montreal. She says:

"Hello all, I just want to start by saying I love your show. You guys are my companions all of the way to work. Keep up the good work! Now as for Moody a.k.a. Crouch Jr., I just wanted to point out that I believe the reason Moody came to Harry and Ron's defense against Draco has a lot to do about the fact that Crouch Jr. really hated the Death Eaters that turned their back from Voldemort after he disappeared. Draco represented that by attacking them behind their backs. Crouch Jr. was so upfront about his devotion to Voldemort that he was proud of the fact he went to Azkaban instead of pretending that he was Imperiused. He is a lot like Bellatrix in that sense. His reaction to Draco was genuine, not only because of Lucius' betrayal to Voldy but because of Draco's character as well. Thank you all for your show, Karla."

Micah: Yeah, that's a good point I think, just following up on what we said last week that Barty Crouch/Moody was more than willing to attack Draco because of how he felt toward Lucius and sort of Draco being the closest thing he can get to Lucius Malfoy.

Andrew: Micah, how about you read the next e-mail?

Muggle Mail: Trelawney's Observations

Micah: Next e-mail, Eric, 35, of Dublin writes in and he says:

"In Chapter 13 of 'Goblet of Fire' during Divination class, Professor Trelawney makes an interesting observation about Harry. She says, 'I was saying that Saturn was surely in a position of power in the heavens at the moment of your birth... your dark hair... your mean stature... tragic losses so young in life... I think I am right in saying that you were born in mid-winter?' We later find out in Book 6 that Voldemort was born on New Year's Eve. Also, Trelawney's three descriptions of Harry could pertain to Tom Riddle/Voldemort as well. Since we know that Harry and Voldemort share a link since Voldemort tried to kill Harry as a baby, could Trelawney be seeing a glimpse of the part of Voldemort that is in Harry? Just an interesting bit of foreshadowing that I picked up on. Keep up the great work."

Andrew: I think that is an awesome theory.

Eric: [laughs] I agree.

Andrew: And sort of - and another double meaning of sorts like we were talking about earlier with the thing in Chapter-by-Chapter...

Micah: Yeah, absolutely.

Muggle Mail: Cheesy Endings

Andrew: ...with Moody/Barty Crouch. That's really cool. I like that a lot. And finally, the last e-mail comes from Hallie, 16, of Minnesota:

"Hey MuggleCast, great show! My question is why, in my opinion, do the 'Harry Potter' movies always have cheesy endings? I don't recall the ending of the first movie but the second movie ended with Hagrid and Hermione coming back and everyone cheering for Hagrid, third movie ended with the freeze frame ending of Harry on the Firebolt, fourth ending with people leaving and Hermione says, 'Everything is going to change now, isn't it?' Harry says, 'Yes.' Cheesy. The fifth ends with them going to the train and Harry says they have something worth fighting for. And number six ends with the trio on the Astronomy Tower with Fawkes in the background."

Yeah, I think she makes a good point. They have never gotten a movie ending right, which is kind of worrying for Part II. [laughs] Part I may be the best one because it'll sort of just drop off.

Micah: Yeah, I agree. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: She makes a good point, you're right. She does.

Andrew: I can't - what was - oh, Part - Movie 1, she said she couldn't remember. It's - they are on the train and they are waving bye to Hagrid. That wasn't that good.

Eric: Look, I don't...

Micah: It's a kids movie.

Eric: ...have a problem with any of these endings, with the exception to Movie 3.

Andrew: Well, yeah actually now that I think about it, Movie 1's ending was nice. Movie 3 ending was the worst with the freeze frame, no doubt about that.

Eric: And because the Firebolt scene from...

Micah: Thank you, Alfonso.

Eric: Yeah, the Firebolt scene...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: ...from the middle of the book is at the end of the movie. I just - I don't even know.

Dueling Club: Ghost Edition

Andrew: So, that's all for Muggle Mail. If you want to possibly get your e-mail read on the show, just visit and there is a contact form, and you can write in that way. Now it's time for Dueling Club: Ghost Edition.

[Eric makes ghost noises]

Andrew: In honor of Halloween. Micah and Eric - Micah, thank you for selecting these ahead of time.

Micah: It wasn't me.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: [laughs] It was Eric.

Andrew: Oh. Eric, thank you. You're wonderful. So, Micah, you're assigned to defend The Grey Lady and Eric, you're assigned to defend Moaning Myrtle. Micah, you first. Go ahead. Why should The Grey Lady defeat Moaning Myrtle in a duel of the ghosts?

Micah: Oh, this is so simple. I mean, The Grey Lady is the daughter of one of the founders of Hogwarts. I mean, clearly she would inherit the intellect and the wisdom of Rowena Ravenclaw. This is a no contest. Moaning Myrtle is just a whiny little bitch...

[Eric laughs]

Micah: the corner of the girls' bathroom. She was petrified to death by a snake because she was too busy letting the emotions get the best of her. I mean, The Grey Lady would eat her up in a matter of seconds.

Eric: Micah...

Andrew: And Eric, why would you...

Eric: ...I anticipated your using that defense and I have completely prepared myself to meet it. Lord Voldemort is a direct descendant of Salazar Slytherin and therefore you would assume that he has inherited some of the unique magical strength and powers that has come from his bloodline. And when compared to Harry Potter, a whiny little bitch who has no talent and only always uses Expelliarmus as a spell, you wouldn't expect that Harry, who has never done any studying in his entire life, ends up defeating Voldemort in the end. I compare the two. I compare Moaning Myrtle and The Grey Lady to Harry Potter and Voldemort because I feel like Jo's books are an example of how unprepared little children can go up against great power, and still beat the odds and survive.

Micah: Oh, okay. So what's Moaning Myrtle's strength then? Is she going to flush The Grey Lady down a toilet?

Eric: Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Or she's going to haunt her. Moaning Myrtle haunted a...

Micah: Oh.

Eric: Diligence.

Micah: Well, that would be annoying.

Eric: Diligence. [laughs]

Andrew: Well...

Micah: That would be annoying.

Eric: No, I'm saying diligence because...

Andrew: the judge...

Eric: ...Moaning Myrtle - hang on, I'm not finished. Moaning Myrtle haunted Olive Hornby for a real long time. That's dedication. It takes - it's got to be...

Micah: [under his breath] It's dedication? [laughs]

Eric: ...tiresome. It's got to be tiresome. It really has been. So I feel like Moaning Myrtle, no matter what The Grey Lady threw at her, Moaning Myrtle would be resilient.

Andrew: As the judge of this duel, I think Micah wins. Because he is right, there is really nothing to Moaning Myrtle, especially in a duel.

Eric: Well, there is nothing to Harry Potter.

Andrew: Moaning Myrtle I think would be...

Eric: I mean...

Andrew: Huh?

Eric: ...there is nothing to Harry Potter either. I mean...

Andrew: [gasps] What?!

Eric: He happens to get the same wand as Voldemort and his mother happened to die defending him, and that is really the only reason he even survives the entire book series.

Listener Tweets: Halloween

Andrew: And now as promised, a couple - we asked people on Twitter if you're going to be dressing up - continuing with the Halloween theme, we asked people if they're going to be dressing up for Halloween as a Harry Potter character just like Eric and his womanly get-up over there. ArwenJesusFreak said:

"For Halloween, I'm going to my college's chapter of the Harry Potter Alliance and watching 'A Very Potter Musical.' I'm quite excited."

So, she's not dressing up but - he or she. underthestars writes:

"I'm dressing up as a Hufflepuff for my band concert on Halloween."

And singsongsalong says:

"Last night UF held an event called 'Halloween at Hogwarts' which included everything from tasseography to trivia."

What's tasseography?

[Prolonged silence]

Andrew: I guess we'll never know.

[Eric and Micah laughs]

Andrew: So...

Micah: I'll look it up. Hold on a second.

Andrew: Well, it doesn't even come up with spell check.

Micah: Oh, it's a divination or fortune-telling method that interprets patterns...

Andrew: Ooh.

Micah: tea leaves.

Andrew: Ooh.

Eric: Oh, tasseography...

Andrew: That's kind of clever.

Eric: ...I knew that.

Andrew: Harry Potter is very Halloween oriented so it's kind of not a surprise that schools would have "Halloween at Hogwarts"-like events. That is really cool. Too bad the Wizarding World of Harry Potter didn't do anything.

Micah: Yeah, it's a BobFail.

Andrew: Because the theme park has Halloween events, just not the Harry Potter park.

Eric: Oh dude, I can't believe they didn't do anything for Harry's birthday, they didn't do anything for Halloween. Halloween is the most important holiday in the Harry Potter series. That's completely...

Andrew: And it looks like they're not even doing something for the movie release.

Eric: Or Christmas!

Andrew: I thought...

Eric: Geez!

Show Close

Andrew: ...we would have heard something by now. Yeah. Well, Christmas we may - there is still time. Before we wrap up the show today we want to remind everyone about our great little website, It has all the information you need about this show that we do each and every other week.

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Andrew: At the top of the site is a contact link and you can use that to find our P.O. Box address as well as a feedback form where you can write to us if you have any questions about the show that we did here, this episode that you just listened to. And also on the right side of the website are links to our iTunes page where you can rate and review us, our Twitter page where you can follow us, and our Facebook page where you can like us. And all of those ways help you stay up to date on the show. So that's about it, everyone. Thank you so much for listening! We'll have an update about the Podcast Awards in about a week from now and we'll be back soon with another episode. We'll discuss the latest movie developments and a whole lot more. I'm Andrew Sims.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: See you next time for Episode 213. Buh-bye!

Eric: See ya!

Micah: Peace.

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Written by: The Transcribers